I was a system administrator in the CS department at a large university. We had several students attempt to use the service to get their homework assignments done. Needless to say, it didn't go over well when the professors and T.A.'s found out.
If something sounds like a homework assignment, it probably is.
One thing I've thought about recently as a help to the patent problem is putting a cap on the number of patents granted each year. If only 25,000 patents are awarded per year (for example), that would in theory cut down on the number of crap patents. Atleast they would have to think a little longer about what really deserves a patent, and many people would be discouraged from filing if they knew there was a good chance it wouldn't get approved. Just an idea...
I go to a major university and have always had the habit of seeing what types of laptops people use as I walk around. In the last 6 months I've noticed a huge increase in the number of Mac users. Yesterday while walking to class, I saw that about 2/3 of the students had Macs. When I started at the university three years ago I really don't remember seeing anyone who had a Mac. From my personal experience, Macs seem to be increasing in popularity.
This is a little OT, but SCO told the names "offending" files in a court doc at groklaw. They don't say what parts of the files are "theirs", but they've narrowed it down to about a 1/5 of the kernel.:-)
...it's not like professors read what I write in the first place. They usually just pay a clueless T.A. minimum wage so they can sit around and do "research"...
The part I don't understand is how it "works out well for customers too".
Redhat stays in business. They have to make money somehow; if they didn't sell support contracts I don't know how they could stay in business. They sure don't make a lot by selling boxes of RH. I know this because I personally talked with Szulik (president of Redhat) for about 20 minutes after he spoke at our university.
I understand where you're coming from, and where redhat is coming from. There is just a finite amount of resources for them to support everything they make. Also, atleast the source is available. It's a better situation than when Microsoft decides to stop supporting a product.
I believe that in the next few months the commuinity (such as freshrpms) will provide updated rpms. Redhat has stated they want the community more involved; maybe this is one of the ways.
I'm sorry I sounded rude with the "take a chillpill" statement; I had an operation on my hand this morning and am not in a good mood.:-) I really hope things will work out for everyone in the community, and for RedHat.
If I am running beta software, it sure is working well. I know about the support issue, and I understand that. I think it's a great way for RH to make money and it works out well for customers too. I am just pointing out that there are often servers that are not mission critical and having 2 hours of down time once a year for upgrades is not a problem. Take a chillpill, bud...
I'm a sys admin for the CS department at a large
university. Our backend is all large Dell PowerEdge
servers running normal RH9. RH ES is probably great
for a lot of your machines, but others should be
just fine without it (just with RH9). Don't pay the price for the
extra features unless you really need it...
This is the official press release from the Provo Linux Users Group:
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To whom it may concern:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Jason Hall jason@plug.org http://www.plug.org/
UTAH LINUX USERS DEMONSTRATE OPPOSITION TO SCO LAWSUIT
Provo, Utah (June 19, 2003) -- To voice their opposition to SCO's lawsuit against IBM and their malignment of the Linux programmers community, members of the Provo Linux Users Group (PLUG) and other Utah-based Linux Users Groups will protest in front of SCO's Lindon, UT office on Friday, June 20, 2003 from 3 to 5 pm.
SCO's lawsuit claims that IBM copied parts of SCO's UNIX computer operating system into Linux, a freely-distributed operating system written by an international community of computer programmers. They have therefore revoked IBM's license to distribute AIX (IBM's version of UNIX) and are seeking $3 billion in damages for theft of intellectual property. Furthermore, they have sent letters to 1500 corporations warning them that Linux contains computer code belonging to SCO and continued use of Linux may result in SCO taking legal action against them.
With this suit, SCO has raised the ire of computing professionals worldwide by overstating its contributions to UNIX operating systems (which include Linux and AIX), claiming ownership of Linux and denying past involvement in its development, and making inaccurate and derisive comments about the Linux development community. Under the auspices of the Provo Linux Users Group, Linux users and programmers from northern Utah will meet on Friday in front of SCO's headquarters in Lindon, UT to demonstrate the opposition to SCO's actions and to show their support of IBM, the Linux development community, and any other companies against which SCO takes legal action.
About the Provo Linux Users Group: The Provo Linux Users Group (PLUG) is a non-profit, volunteer-run organization dedicated to helping members to learn the Linux operating system, offering volunteer technical support, and encouraging the use of Open Source software. Membership is free, meetings are held monthly, and the group mantains an active email list. For more information about PLUG, go to
http://www.plug.org/
About other Utah-based Linux users groups: PLUG is only one of a half-dozen Linux users groups in Utah, and one of thousands of such groups worldwide. More information about Utah-based Linux users groups can be found at
Slashdot Mirror
http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/21/red-hat-statement-on-microsoft-announcement/
I was a system administrator in the CS department at a large university. We had several students attempt to use the service to get their homework assignments done. Needless to say, it didn't go over well when the professors and T.A.'s found out. If something sounds like a homework assignment, it probably is.
It creates a function named ':', and then recursively calls itself :|:. It's easier to read if you rename : to myfunction.
myfunction() { myfunction | myfunction }; myfuction:(){ :|:&};:
the suburb of Lisle, Illinois
Lisle Illinois has a suburb? I'm from Illinois and I've never heard of the place, let alone its suburb. ;-)
One thing I've thought about recently as a help to the patent problem is putting a cap on the number of patents granted each year. If only 25,000 patents are awarded per year (for example), that would in theory cut down on the number of crap patents. Atleast they would have to think a little longer about what really deserves a patent, and many people would be discouraged from filing if they knew there was a good chance it wouldn't get approved. Just an idea...
So once again the question comes up... Is Sun a hardware company or software company? They sure aren't doing hot in either arena...
I go to a major university and have always had the habit of seeing what types of laptops people use as I walk around. In the last 6 months I've noticed a huge increase in the number of Mac users. Yesterday while walking to class, I saw that about 2/3 of the students had Macs. When I started at the university three years ago I really don't remember seeing anyone who had a Mac. From my personal experience, Macs seem to be increasing in popularity.
IBM's Linux Technology Center is in Austin...
This is a little OT, but SCO told the names "offending" files in a court doc at groklaw. They don't say what parts of the files are "theirs", but they've narrowed it down to about a 1/5 of the kernel. :-)
I live in the Provo area and the rumor I'm hearing from Novell employees is that IBM is looking to adquire Novell...
... atleast they didn't blow up blow up their servers.
...it's not like professors read what I write in the first place. They usually just pay a clueless T.A. minimum wage so they can sit around and do "research"...
There should be about 300 unemployed SCO thugs in the next little bit. That's 300 jobs I wouldn't mind seeing leave the US...
Something must be going on... I haven't been able to get there in the last 4 or 5 hours...
The part I don't understand is how it "works out well for customers too".
Redhat stays in business. They have to make money somehow; if they didn't sell support contracts I don't know how they could stay in business. They sure don't make a lot by selling boxes of RH. I know this because I personally talked with Szulik (president of Redhat) for about 20 minutes after he spoke at our university.
I understand where you're coming from, and where redhat is coming from. There is just a finite amount of resources for them to support everything they make. Also, atleast the source is available. It's a better situation than when Microsoft decides to stop supporting a product.
I believe that in the next few months the commuinity (such as freshrpms) will provide updated rpms. Redhat has stated they want the community more involved; maybe this is one of the ways.
I'm sorry I sounded rude with the "take a chillpill" statement; I had an operation on my hand this morning and am not in a good mood. :-) I really hope things will work out for everyone in the community, and for RedHat.
If I am running beta software, it sure is working well. I know about the support issue, and I understand that. I think it's a great way for RH to make money and it works out well for customers too. I am just pointing out that there are often servers that are not mission critical and having 2 hours of down time once a year for upgrades is not a problem. Take a chillpill, bud...
I'm a sys admin for the CS department at a large university. Our backend is all large Dell PowerEdge servers running normal RH9. RH ES is probably great for a lot of your machines, but others should be just fine without it (just with RH9). Don't pay the price for the extra features unless you really need it...
Well, expect to pay a little more thanks to McBride and Thugs...
According to http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html "The promotional license fee for embedded devices is $32 per device."Yet another reason SCO needs to burn...
This is the official press release from the Provo Linux Users Group:
----
To whom it may concern:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Jason Hall
jason@plug.org
http://www.plug.org/
UTAH LINUX USERS DEMONSTRATE OPPOSITION TO SCO LAWSUIT
Provo, Utah (June 19, 2003) -- To voice their opposition to SCO's
lawsuit against IBM and their malignment of the Linux programmers
community, members of the Provo Linux Users Group (PLUG) and other
Utah-based Linux Users Groups will protest in front of SCO's Lindon,
UT office on Friday, June 20, 2003 from 3 to 5 pm.
SCO's lawsuit claims that IBM copied parts of SCO's UNIX computer
operating system into Linux, a freely-distributed operating system
written by an international community of computer programmers.
They have therefore revoked IBM's license to distribute AIX (IBM's
version of UNIX) and are seeking $3 billion in damages for theft of
intellectual property. Furthermore, they have sent letters to 1500
corporations warning them that Linux contains computer code belonging to
SCO and continued use of Linux may result in SCO taking legal action
against them.
With this suit, SCO has raised the ire of computing professionals
worldwide by overstating its contributions to UNIX operating systems
(which include Linux and AIX), claiming ownership of Linux and denying
past involvement in its development, and making inaccurate and derisive
comments about the Linux development community. Under the auspices of
the Provo Linux Users Group, Linux users and programmers from northern
Utah will meet on Friday in front of SCO's headquarters in Lindon, UT
to demonstrate the opposition to SCO's actions and to show their support
of IBM, the Linux development community, and any other companies against
which SCO takes legal action.
About the Provo Linux Users Group:
The Provo Linux Users Group (PLUG) is a non-profit, volunteer-run
organization dedicated to helping members to learn the Linux operating
system, offering volunteer technical support, and encouraging the use of
Open Source software. Membership is free, meetings are held
monthly, and the group mantains an active email list. For more
information about PLUG, go to
http://www.plug.org/
About other Utah-based Linux users groups:
PLUG is only one of a half-dozen Linux users groups in Utah, and one of
thousands of such groups worldwide. More information about Utah-based
Linux users groups can be found at
http://www.ssc.com:8080/glue/groups/us/utah