The answer is not to sit idly by and accept it. I'm sure you're aware of this, but as you in no way indicated it in your post, I feel I should point out that neither of the extremes of the opinions is "The Answer".
This article should be fully expanded on the frontpage. Why? Because it's obiously exactly what EA and MS do not want. And therefore it should be done. Just out of spite.
Few people today use devices of this type, especially as compared to the use of mobile phones. Now however that Nokia has a direct competitor in another industry giant, consumers will see alternatives among the features the devices offer. This means that more people are likely to become consumers of these types of devices, leading to market acceptance and therefore to even greater diversity amonst services and features. Eventually there should be something for everybody, but this probably lies a generation of devices or two away still.
And then you link to Snopes... Snopes! Snopes is a worthless piece of shit when it comes to reliable info, and they say so right out on their site. Had you read it, you wouldn't be suggesting Snopes is fact.
Dude, wow! You obviously know what the heck you're talking about. That makes one of us. I'm gonna read your post several times over, but already I do feel I'm kinda grasping what the heck is going on. So thank you, very much.
BTW, I'm seriously considering taking at least a year's worth of math on university level, so this kind of stuff is quite interesting for me at the moment. I wouldn't have asked unless it was for this. Am I to take it you've studied math at university level as well? Got any good advice for a soon-to-be student? =D
Shouldn't it be possible to solve that paradox using the von Neuman Universe and ZFC?
And while at it, could someone please explain to me what the hell that means? Seriously. To quote Wikipedia:
"Through the work of Zermelo and others, such as John von Neumann, the structure of what some see as the "natural" objects described by ZFC eventually became clear; they are the elements of the von Neumann universe, V, which are built up from the empty set by transfinitely iterating the powerset operation. Thus it is now again possible to think of set theory non-axiomatically, as reasoning about the sets of the von Neumann universe, without running into Russell's paradox. Whether it is appropriate to think of it that way is a point of contention among various philosophical schools." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_paradox
Or you could do what my psychic power is telling me you'll do; ignore me.
IMAO* "iLiad" is the first in this line of product names that is actually any good. It's witty since it's a thing that reads books, and the iLiad is a book that is on the bible-ass-kicking level of hot-damn. Iliad already starts with an "I", so all they need to do is change the capitalization, meaning the whole thing isn't nearly as contrived as the rest of these product names.
The name's easy to remember since it already rings a bell for most people who have spent more than a day in a school, so for evil marketing purposes it's also a keeper. Only thing actually wrong with it is that it won't show up in google because... no wait, I just checked. They've somehow managed to get it listed as 6th.
Pretty decent branding, I'd say. Not that I'd buy the silly thing. Got a laptop that I acquired for 10 that's portable enough for me.
*For those that would respond "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (which is a true statement), I would say "No, but it sure is an =indication= of absence." But as Carl Sagan said, "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe"
Is evidence proof? Mwaha, chew on that one. Well, no, no chewing needed, but simply answering "no, it isn't" is not a satisfying answer, is it? It would be better to adopt proper scientific lingo for cases like this, as well as proper agnostic thought. In lingo we replace "is" with much more vague terms such as "could be", "maybe", et cetera, as not only to cover our hides from being proven wrong but also as a mental exercise not to claim stuff we dunno shit about. Proper thought then also involves a certain humility towards nature which is difficult for most to accept. While your statement here above would be proven unassailable in analysis, you're still subtly suggesting that the soul does not exist. "The facts are with you, BUT." The "but", regardless if what follows it is in sequitur or non, operates to turn the tide of the verbal war. And since the facts from the analysis are on your side it makes the whole thing quite... sinister, frankly, since you in spite of it all ended up presenting opinion as if it were fact. - Bundling a lie with a bunch of truth, in much stronger words.
It requires immense force of character, will, intelligence, intellect and wisdom to be absolutely truthful. One inaccuracy, even an eupheism, spoils the whole thing. It's not even enough to argue both sides of the issue at the same time; one needs to really accept that one does not know and that one's opinion on the matter is altogether irrelevant. Maybe then one has the frame of mind required to truly be a scientist.
The only thing that really annoys me is that fires don't die out. It's such a huge cause of disbeleif for me that I have serious trouble getting back 'into' the game each time after I've visited the city.
Wilder yet, what if there's been civilizations before our current one? Homosapiens is estimated to be what, up to 300k years old and the oldest sigs we have of civilizations past are piles or rubble that was a city 8k years ago. Say there was a huge, thriving civilization 50k years ago? There would be nothing left of it by now. Who knows what wonders could lie in our distant past?
There are no electrodes nor intrusive methods involved in the Persinger version. Only magnetic fields, weak ones at that, generated outside the head. For further info on the Japanese version, see the link the other guy posted.
Yeah, that's the one. They're not using very strong EM fields and it affects the mind and brain, so it's a good enough example for me to use as evidence.
The webserver of the Laurentian University is down, but here is Google Cache's version of it. Interesting stuff.
Maybe. Maybe the symptoms are psychosomatic. Maybe there's a third factor involved. Either way this does not refute Dr. Persinger's findings nor the existence of radio-controlled Japanese scientists.
What I forgot to mention in my previous post was that Dr. Persinger and the Japanese dudes both use EM fields of very specific shapes (That is, shape in time. Think oscilloscope.), and that the amplitude of these fields doesn't seem to be that important. The synapses, which are very easily affected to a noticeable degree by EM, are obviously reacting to the data; not the force.
If this electromagnetic sensitivity, I think they want to call it, is real, then it is possible that it is an adverse reaction to bad data instead of field strength. So far all research has proved that humans are not sensitive to STRONG electromagnetic fields, but that we are extremely sensitive to SHAPED fields. Some would naturally be more so than others. That a WLAN transcreiver could work in conjunction with other devices to create an EM shape intricate enough to be reacted to does not seem to be impossible.
There's those Japanese researchers who built a device to make people walk as directed by a joystick, and a guy named Persinger at the Laurentian University in I think Canada who built a device which makes people experience something many interpret as God. These devices use field strengths of IIRC only a few nano Tesla, and the fields generated by electrical wiring are much stronger. That we were NOT affected by electric noise would be a surprising find. Not this.
And what about that electrical allergy we've heard about? Isn't that just what this article is about?
Hope someone figures out how to use Dr. Parsinger's research for a man-machine interface some day. Would be a lot better than cyberpunk brain-plugs. =D
Well, no. I base that on over a decade of experience with the IT field, the simple understanding that the Cell is a supply to meet a growing demand, and that it's backed by Big Blue.
Sound familiar? "All we need to make it work as advertised is a really slick compiler that doesn't actually exist yet..."
From TFA: "I say "intended to become," because judging from the paper the guys at IBM are still in the early stages of taming this many-headed beast. This is by no means meant to disparage all the IBM researchers who have done yeoman's work in their practically single-handed attempts to move the entire field of computer science forward by a quantum leap. No, the Octopiler paper is full of innovative ideas to be fleshed out at a further date, results that are "promising," avenues to be explored, and overarching approaches that seem likely to bear fruit eventually."
Too early to say for sure, of course, but I'd rather take this guy's word for it than study the papers myself. - Would I invest/bet money on it? Yes, I would.
In that case I need to go save my Guild Wars characters from succumbing to theirweight. It's at least half a year since I last played with them.
And on a completely unrelated note; anybody else feel like Slashcode is reading your mind? The anti-script code of the reply page often says something related to what I'm typing, and the quote at the bottom of the page often offers the most insightful comment to whatever story I happen to be reading. Coincidence? - At which point must one stop blaming coincidence? - Boggles, my mind doth.
Behold. Evolution in motion. Now, with a working society to compensate for the minor shortcomings autism brings with it, this genetic code can prosper in its own niche without being terminally bothered by the bare necessities of survival. Human kind branches out and optimises for certain tasks, reaching beyond the limits of the individual.
Being a Beta (was it) is good. Alphas work too hard, etc.
Woha. You're either misinformed or trolling. Or a Canon/Nikon fanboy.;)
KM has got an in-camera anti-shake system which works really well. While you have to pay over a $1000 for an IS lens for Canon or Nicon cameras, ALL your lenses become IS lenses on a KM dSLR camera. This for example means no more blurry pictures when shooting handheld without flash indoors, which is Significant with a capital S. I bought a second-hand 70-210mm zoom lens for my KM 5D and I can take blur-free shots at 210mm (305mm film equivalent) handheld thanks to the Anti-Shake. No need to haul a tripod with me when I'm out shootin'.
I wield a KM 5D, and I dread naught. In fact, I find the move rather delightful in what promises are held for me. For one, I'm likely to be able to use my lenses on an SLR equivalent with an EVF (Electronic ViewFinder), meaning that lacking a mirror in front of the CCD I'll be able to capture high-res video. This basically turns what used to be a still camera into a HDTV video camera. Couple it with KM's Anti-Shake system and suddenly a world of new possibilities open up. Another benefit I get is better support for my camera. Yet another the name recognition to increase the second-hand value of my gear. Further Sony's hit-and-miss tendency technology-wise means I'm likely to see all sorts of experimental features in models that come and go, giving new photographic opportunities. All point toward a bright bright feature.
My only concern is that Sony might jump on the Microsoft-only bandwagon, with encrypted file formats & ilk. Yet, with Sony marketing the PS3 as a computer, Linux support might not be a mere pipe-dream. If they do support Linux they will be the only manufacturer to do so, and might grab some additional market-share because of this. This would be enough to redeem them from the rootkit fiasco in my eyes.
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The answer is not to sit idly by and accept it. I'm sure you're aware of this, but as you in no way indicated it in your post, I feel I should point out that neither of the extremes of the opinions is "The Answer".
This article should be fully expanded on the frontpage. Why? Because it's obiously exactly what EA and MS do not want. And therefore it should be done. Just out of spite.
Few people today use devices of this type, especially as compared to the use of mobile phones. Now however that Nokia has a direct competitor in another industry giant, consumers will see alternatives among the features the devices offer. This means that more people are likely to become consumers of these types of devices, leading to market acceptance and therefore to even greater diversity amonst services and features. Eventually there should be something for everybody, but this probably lies a generation of devices or two away still.
Snuff films are not real.
And then you link to Snopes... Snopes! Snopes is a worthless piece of shit when it comes to reliable info, and they say so right out on their site. Had you read it, you wouldn't be suggesting Snopes is fact.
Dude, wow! You obviously know what the heck you're talking about. That makes one of us. I'm gonna read your post several times over, but already I do feel I'm kinda grasping what the heck is going on. So thank you, very much.
BTW, I'm seriously considering taking at least a year's worth of math on university level, so this kind of stuff is quite interesting for me at the moment. I wouldn't have asked unless it was for this.
Am I to take it you've studied math at university level as well? Got any good advice for a soon-to-be student? =D
Shouldn't it be possible to solve that paradox using the von Neuman Universe and ZFC?
And while at it, could someone please explain to me what the hell that means? Seriously. To quote Wikipedia:
"Through the work of Zermelo and others, such as John von Neumann, the structure of what some see as the "natural" objects described by ZFC eventually became clear; they are the elements of the von Neumann universe, V, which are built up from the empty set by transfinitely iterating the powerset operation. Thus it is now again possible to think of set theory non-axiomatically, as reasoning about the sets of the von Neumann universe, without running into Russell's paradox. Whether it is appropriate to think of it that way is a point of contention among various philosophical schools."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_paradox
Or you could do what my psychic power is telling me you'll do; ignore me.
IMAO* "iLiad" is the first in this line of product names that is actually any good. It's witty since it's a thing that reads books, and the iLiad is a book that is on the bible-ass-kicking level of hot-damn. Iliad already starts with an "I", so all they need to do is change the capitalization, meaning the whole thing isn't nearly as contrived as the rest of these product names.
The name's easy to remember since it already rings a bell for most people who have spent more than a day in a school, so for evil marketing purposes it's also a keeper. Only thing actually wrong with it is that it won't show up in google because... no wait, I just checked. They've somehow managed to get it listed as 6th.
Pretty decent branding, I'd say.
Not that I'd buy the silly thing. Got a laptop that I acquired for 10 that's portable enough for me.
*For those that would respond "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (which is a true statement), I would say "No, but it sure is an =indication= of absence." But as Carl Sagan said, "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe"
Is evidence proof? Mwaha, chew on that one. Well, no, no chewing needed, but simply answering "no, it isn't" is not a satisfying answer, is it? It would be better to adopt proper scientific lingo for cases like this, as well as proper agnostic thought.
In lingo we replace "is" with much more vague terms such as "could be", "maybe", et cetera, as not only to cover our hides from being proven wrong but also as a mental exercise not to claim stuff we dunno shit about. Proper thought then also involves a certain humility towards nature which is difficult for most to accept. While your statement here above would be proven unassailable in analysis, you're still subtly suggesting that the soul does not exist. "The facts are with you, BUT." The "but", regardless if what follows it is in sequitur or non, operates to turn the tide of the verbal war. And since the facts from the analysis are on your side it makes the whole thing quite... sinister, frankly, since you in spite of it all ended up presenting opinion as if it were fact. - Bundling a lie with a bunch of truth, in much stronger words.
It requires immense force of character, will, intelligence, intellect and wisdom to be absolutely truthful. One inaccuracy, even an eupheism, spoils the whole thing. It's not even enough to argue both sides of the issue at the same time; one needs to really accept that one does not know and that one's opinion on the matter is altogether irrelevant. Maybe then one has the frame of mind required to truly be a scientist.
Bah at these useful applications! I want a tail, like the rest of my primate cousins! =D
The only thing that really annoys me is that fires don't die out. It's such a huge cause of disbeleif for me that I have serious trouble getting back 'into' the game each time after I've visited the city.
Hehe. The idea was that since no one is taking the original saying seriously, I'd turn it on its head and point out that the damage is already done.
But I'm glad someone paid attention at any rate. =)
Echelon. I'm surprised no one has mentioned so far.
More info, for those who has never heard of it before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
/me tokes.
/me tokes again and passes.
Wilder yet, what if there's been civilizations before our current one? Homosapiens is estimated to be what, up to 300k years old and the oldest sigs we have of civilizations past are piles or rubble that was a city 8k years ago. Say there was a huge, thriving civilization 50k years ago? There would be nothing left of it by now. Who knows what wonders could lie in our distant past?
There are no electrodes nor intrusive methods involved in the Persinger version. Only magnetic fields, weak ones at that, generated outside the head.
For further info on the Japanese version, see the link the other guy posted.
Yeah, that's the one. They're not using very strong EM fields and it affects the mind and brain, so it's a good enough example for me to use as evidence.
The webserver of the Laurentian University is down, but here is Google Cache's version of it. Interesting stuff.
Guilty. Thought it was RAM for laptops at first.
Maybe. Maybe the symptoms are psychosomatic. Maybe there's a third factor involved. Either way this does not refute Dr. Persinger's findings nor the existence of radio-controlled Japanese scientists.
What I forgot to mention in my previous post was that Dr. Persinger and the Japanese dudes both use EM fields of very specific shapes (That is, shape in time. Think oscilloscope.), and that the amplitude of these fields doesn't seem to be that important. The synapses, which are very easily affected to a noticeable degree by EM, are obviously reacting to the data; not the force.
If this electromagnetic sensitivity, I think they want to call it, is real, then it is possible that it is an adverse reaction to bad data instead of field strength. So far all research has proved that humans are not sensitive to STRONG electromagnetic fields, but that we are extremely sensitive to SHAPED fields. Some would naturally be more so than others. That a WLAN transcreiver could work in conjunction with other devices to create an EM shape intricate enough to be reacted to does not seem to be impossible.
There's those Japanese researchers who built a device to make people walk as directed by a joystick, and a guy named Persinger at the Laurentian University in I think Canada who built a device which makes people experience something many interpret as God. These devices use field strengths of IIRC only a few nano Tesla, and the fields generated by electrical wiring are much stronger.
That we were NOT affected by electric noise would be a surprising find. Not this.
And what about that electrical allergy we've heard about? Isn't that just what this article is about?
Hope someone figures out how to use Dr. Parsinger's research for a man-machine interface some day. Would be a lot better than cyberpunk brain-plugs. =D
Well, no. I base that on over a decade of experience with the IT field, the simple understanding that the Cell is a supply to meet a growing demand, and that it's backed by Big Blue.
Sound familiar? "All we need to make it work as advertised is a really slick compiler that doesn't actually exist yet..."
From TFA:
"I say "intended to become," because judging from the paper the guys at IBM are still in the early stages of taming this many-headed beast. This is by no means meant to disparage all the IBM researchers who have done yeoman's work in their practically single-handed attempts to move the entire field of computer science forward by a quantum leap. No, the Octopiler paper is full of innovative ideas to be fleshed out at a further date, results that are "promising," avenues to be explored, and overarching approaches that seem likely to bear fruit eventually."
Too early to say for sure, of course, but I'd rather take this guy's word for it than study the papers myself. - Would I invest/bet money on it? Yes, I would.
I'm not quite sure what you're asking, and I suspect I'm not the only one. Care to be a bit more specific?
In that case I need to go save my Guild Wars characters from succumbing to theirweight. It's at least half a year since I last played with them.
And on a completely unrelated note; anybody else feel like Slashcode is reading your mind? The anti-script code of the reply page often says something related to what I'm typing, and the quote at the bottom of the page often offers the most insightful comment to whatever story I happen to be reading. Coincidence? - At which point must one stop blaming coincidence? - Boggles, my mind doth.
Behold. Evolution in motion. Now, with a working society to compensate for the minor shortcomings autism brings with it, this genetic code can prosper in its own niche without being terminally bothered by the bare necessities of survival. Human kind branches out and optimises for certain tasks, reaching beyond the limits of the individual.
Being a Beta (was it) is good. Alphas work too hard, etc.
Woha. You're either misinformed or trolling. Or a Canon/Nikon fanboy. ;)
KM has got an in-camera anti-shake system which works really well. While you have to pay over a $1000 for an IS lens for Canon or Nicon cameras, ALL your lenses become IS lenses on a KM dSLR camera. This for example means no more blurry pictures when shooting handheld without flash indoors, which is Significant with a capital S.
I bought a second-hand 70-210mm zoom lens for my KM 5D and I can take blur-free shots at 210mm (305mm film equivalent) handheld thanks to the Anti-Shake. No need to haul a tripod with me when I'm out shootin'.
I wield a KM 5D, and I dread naught. In fact, I find the move rather delightful in what promises are held for me. For one, I'm likely to be able to use my lenses on an SLR equivalent with an EVF (Electronic ViewFinder), meaning that lacking a mirror in front of the CCD I'll be able to capture high-res video. This basically turns what used to be a still camera into a HDTV video camera. Couple it with KM's Anti-Shake system and suddenly a world of new possibilities open up.
Another benefit I get is better support for my camera. Yet another the name recognition to increase the second-hand value of my gear. Further Sony's hit-and-miss tendency technology-wise means I'm likely to see all sorts of experimental features in models that come and go, giving new photographic opportunities. All point toward a bright bright feature.
My only concern is that Sony might jump on the Microsoft-only bandwagon, with encrypted file formats & ilk. Yet, with Sony marketing the PS3 as a computer, Linux support might not be a mere pipe-dream. If they do support Linux they will be the only manufacturer to do so, and might grab some additional market-share because of this. This would be enough to redeem them from the rootkit fiasco in my eyes.