Yeah, but using GTK and QT framebuffer targets with this new system isn't the same as using the new toolkit he's designed, so really it's not helping the consistency argument at all, is it?
What are you talking about? QT is a toolkit that runs on top of X, and if Trolltech were to change this they'd have a bit fight on their hands. Basically, it ain't going to happen.
1. If it can't run existing X windows applications it's useless. Additionally if it can't run anywhere it's useless.
2. If you can't use existing XFree accelerated drivers it's useless because you're not going to make gfx card companies produce new drivers for another environment. Asking them to produce X drivers was hard enough, and some of them haven't even got that right yet.
3. I don't want unified toolkits because it means the entire KDE and Gnome desktop projects would need to be scrapped, unless QT and GTK can be re-created as "wrappers" to this new, unified toolkit.
4. It's a final year project. Sorry, but this guy's just an undergraduate student, no offense but I find it highly unlikely he can come up with something superior to X, QT and GTK (all of which this system supposedly replaces) in a year of work.
No, you're wrong. Recent worms were based on an RPC vunerability, a service that cannot be disabled under 2000/XP if you actually want to log in to the box.
I use Linux but have to shut down every night to maintain sanity. Computer noise (in fact even transformer buzz) keeps me awake without fail, even if the machine is in another room. Maybe I should buy earmuffs.
Quite the opposite opinion here. KDE is great for those who like to fiddle with settings, but I'm seeing here another release with yet more options to fiddle.
I like the ability to customise, but it has to be said some of the menus in konqueror and konsole and various other core parts of KDE are a bit messy at the moment. I see they're working to improve the situation in konqueror's file management mode but I still think a lot more could be done.
A lot of the options in kcontrol could be better grouped and so be more intuitive and obvious, without removing things completely. If the devs could do this, then I'd might switch, since for me KDE now looks good (with Plastik, hopefully the default in KDE4) and is much faster than it used to be.
It strikes me that maintaining an entire Linux LiveCD distribution might be a little too much even for the KDE developers. It could also lead to nasty places, like an "official Linux distribution" for KDE, which is not a place I want to see any desktop environment head towards.
It's not compulsary. Depending on your distribution there should be ways to leave out parts of Gnome you don't want. Consult your package manager documentation...
Also unlike Windows, it's pretty easy to uninstall;)
They have been working to improve it, yes. It no longer has that attrocious "too many files" problem, and renders previews for icons you can see in the current scrolling viewport before those that you can't see.
That should be Spring of next year. Hopefully we'll see something innovative and useable that doesn't just copy Windows 2000 (yeah, it's a low blow but I have Excellent Karma;)), integrated with Nautilus and Gnome-VFS.
What are you talking about? I don't have a single GTK 1 application on my desktop...
All the core Gnome applications have GTK2 ports that are now released or very near release. Firebird, Epiphany, Galeon, X-Chat, Abiword, Gnumeric, Eclipse, GStreamer, Gimp 1.3... We even have Nautilus CD burner now so don't need to use Toaster.
What more do you want? I don't use a single GTK 1 or QT app at the moment.
Epiphany is for all intents and purposes a direct replacement for Galeon. It's a GTK2 wrapper around Gecko, integrated with Gnome. While it might be nice to have a GTK2 HTML widget that's as good as KHTML (and of course would use Pango and so on), I think Gecko does the job well enough...
Erm, the Centrino name means "includes Pentium M and Intel WiFi mini-PCI card" or something along those lines. I see TV adverts for Centrino many times a week so it seems to me they're marketing it pretty heavily.
Perhaps we shouldn't be trying to commercialise OSS. Perhaps we should be trying to commercialise the businesses and products/services which rely on OSS.
For example if I set up a cybercafe and write some software to deal with scheduling and billing, I'm not looking to make money from it. Instead I'm looking to make money from the business that relies on it. Providing a service is what is going to make me the money, and by opening the source of my billing software I may find a wealth of people willing to help me improve it and to use it themselves in other commercial products which pay their bills (and not mine). I get free upgrades and enhancements and they get the basis of a product that runs their business.
It's just an idea, and I'm no economist, but I have a feeling that this sort of set-up could work in many situations.
The key is educating companies in to believing that it's their (civic?) duty to contribute back to the OSS products they use. For example, if every business that uses Linux and has more than 1000 employees were to donate the time of one employee to improving Linux (working full time in the OSS community), we'd see pretty rapid improvement. People are begining to catch on (IBM, Red Hat...), but more of the same would be nice, IMVHO.
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Again, that's not what I meant. The point I was trying to make was that QT isn't a windowing system. Oh well, never mind.
Yeah, but using GTK and QT framebuffer targets with this new system isn't the same as using the new toolkit he's designed, so really it's not helping the consistency argument at all, is it?
Yeah, but using legacy protocol handlers blows the consistency argument out of the water, doesn't it?
I know about Qtopia, but he said QT.
What are you talking about? QT is a toolkit that runs on top of X, and if Trolltech were to change this they'd have a bit fight on their hands. Basically, it ain't going to happen.
1. If it can't run existing X windows applications it's useless. Additionally if it can't run anywhere it's useless.
2. If you can't use existing XFree accelerated drivers it's useless because you're not going to make gfx card companies produce new drivers for another environment. Asking them to produce X drivers was hard enough, and some of them haven't even got that right yet.
3. I don't want unified toolkits because it means the entire KDE and Gnome desktop projects would need to be scrapped, unless QT and GTK can be re-created as "wrappers" to this new, unified toolkit.
4. It's a final year project. Sorry, but this guy's just an undergraduate student, no offense but I find it highly unlikely he can come up with something superior to X, QT and GTK (all of which this system supposedly replaces) in a year of work.
In my experience the best way to zero a hard disk's sectors is to use a belt sander.
Mod parent up. That's got to be one of the best explanations of the whole patching/security deal I've seen in a while.
No, you're wrong. Recent worms were based on an RPC vunerability, a service that cannot be disabled under 2000/XP if you actually want to log in to the box.
Or you could get Ximian Evolution for nada. Considering it's an Outlook clone and designed to be an Outlook clone, then I'd say it'd work pretty well.
I use Linux but have to shut down every night to maintain sanity. Computer noise (in fact even transformer buzz) keeps me awake without fail, even if the machine is in another room. Maybe I should buy earmuffs.
That's quite an assumption!
I don't know how you manage to convince anyone of anything if you use the word o\/\/nZ0Rz in posts...
Quite the opposite opinion here. KDE is great for those who like to fiddle with settings, but I'm seeing here another release with yet more options to fiddle.
I like the ability to customise, but it has to be said some of the menus in konqueror and konsole and various other core parts of KDE are a bit messy at the moment. I see they're working to improve the situation in konqueror's file management mode but I still think a lot more could be done.
A lot of the options in kcontrol could be better grouped and so be more intuitive and obvious, without removing things completely. If the devs could do this, then I'd might switch, since for me KDE now looks good (with Plastik, hopefully the default in KDE4) and is much faster than it used to be.
It strikes me that maintaining an entire Linux LiveCD distribution might be a little too much even for the KDE developers. It could also lead to nasty places, like an "official Linux distribution" for KDE, which is not a place I want to see any desktop environment head towards.
What a terrible kalamity, some might even say katastrophy.
It's not compulsary. Depending on your distribution there should be ways to leave out parts of Gnome you don't want. Consult your package manager documentation...
;)
Also unlike Windows, it's pretty easy to uninstall
They have been working to improve it, yes. It no longer has that attrocious "too many files" problem, and renders previews for icons you can see in the current scrolling viewport before those that you can't see.
I do most of my development in GTK2 Eclipse. The GCJ'd binary version is refreshingly fast.
That said, if you can't find a plug-in for your language then GVim is very capable, although GEdit just got syntax highlighting so we shall see.
That should be Spring of next year. Hopefully we'll see something innovative and useable that doesn't just copy Windows 2000 (yeah, it's a low blow but I have Excellent Karma ;)), integrated with Nautilus and Gnome-VFS.
KDE makes my head spin, and I've been using Linux for 4 years, using computers for 20 and programming since I was 11 years old.
What are you talking about? I don't have a single GTK 1 application on my desktop...
All the core Gnome applications have GTK2 ports that are now released or very near release. Firebird, Epiphany, Galeon, X-Chat, Abiword, Gnumeric, Eclipse, GStreamer, Gimp 1.3... We even have Nautilus CD burner now so don't need to use Toaster.
What more do you want? I don't use a single GTK 1 or QT app at the moment.
Epiphany is for all intents and purposes a direct replacement for Galeon. It's a GTK2 wrapper around Gecko, integrated with Gnome. While it might be nice to have a GTK2 HTML widget that's as good as KHTML (and of course would use Pango and so on), I think Gecko does the job well enough...
Erm, the Centrino name means "includes Pentium M and Intel WiFi mini-PCI card" or something along those lines. I see TV adverts for Centrino many times a week so it seems to me they're marketing it pretty heavily.
Perhaps we shouldn't be trying to commercialise OSS. Perhaps we should be trying to commercialise the businesses and products/services which rely on OSS.
For example if I set up a cybercafe and write some software to deal with scheduling and billing, I'm not looking to make money from it. Instead I'm looking to make money from the business that relies on it. Providing a service is what is going to make me the money, and by opening the source of my billing software I may find a wealth of people willing to help me improve it and to use it themselves in other commercial products which pay their bills (and not mine). I get free upgrades and enhancements and they get the basis of a product that runs their business.
It's just an idea, and I'm no economist, but I have a feeling that this sort of set-up could work in many situations.
The key is educating companies in to believing that it's their (civic?) duty to contribute back to the OSS products they use. For example, if every business that uses Linux and has more than 1000 employees were to donate the time of one employee to improving Linux (working full time in the OSS community), we'd see pretty rapid improvement. People are begining to catch on (IBM, Red Hat...), but more of the same would be nice, IMVHO.