Re:Good news for KDE users...
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Yes there are compile options to more closely integrate it with Gnome IIRC.
Re:Good news for KDE users...
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It's not really true for Gnome users (like me) any more. For example, Nautilus, Epiphany, X-Chat, Abiword, Evolution, although admittedly we still have Gaim, Gnumeric, and so forth...
That said, I don't care what a product is called so long as it does its job. Hence both desktops have adopted writing "Web Browser" or "E-mail Client" rather than "[Konqueror|Epiphany|Mozilla]" or "[KMail|Evolution]".
Re:Good news for KDE users...
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Woah, is this a bug in the slashcode? Why is my parent appearing above parents that were submitted before it? Curious...
Re:Brought to you by the letter K (OT)
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I have a GRUB password so this trick doesn't work on my machine. But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.
Point is, there's nothing to stop this happening in any other operating system either, including Windows - unless you use encrypted file systems - again available in most major operating systems including Linux!
So, when people go on and on about this trick as an example of how Linux isn't secure, I just ignore them;)
Good news for KDE users...
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... shame I'm not one of them. It's nice to hear than we've got another competitor to Outlook and Novell Ximian Evolution that will keep development nice and fresh.
On a related note, where did this K-ism thing come from? It really bugs me, quite honestly. I presume it's from the original "Cool" = "Kool" thing, but considering that the K in KDE no longer stands for Kool it seems to me that it's getting rather tiresome!
Software piracy is a big enough problem in Asia that I suspect a government would be unwise to attempt to sell its product to its public when they'd just use it without paying anyway.
Hopefully it will also be distributed open source, but I guess only time will tell. It's interesting to consider how compatible Chinese Communist ideals with OSS (more compatible than Capitalist Democracies?).
I can tell from your previous posts that you're an obvious Microsoft apologist - but separating fact from bias - Unicode support works perfectly well on this Linux box and all of the others I've ever used. International HTML characters render correctly, I can enter unicode characters into any modern application (e.g. those based on GTK or QT).
Internationalisation has always been a responsibility of the application programmer (strings don't magically translate themselves, well at least not yet!) - so don't blame Unix systems in general just because your particular program doesn't come with a specific language translation. Microsoft can pay people to do this work, whereas opensource has to find someone with the skill and the free time to provide and update translations. Fortunately this situation will improve as more of the world "turns on" to open systems.
I think he means Javascript... easily mixed up by someone who's never written a line of code in their life.
Of course, we shouldn't blame Microsoft's ill-designed DHTML Javascript calls which allow things like borderless windows to pop up and trick us in the first place!
I think you're missing the point. A closed source Linux from Microsoft doesn't hold much appeal, at least for me.
Re:That sample rasterized penguin looks contented!
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Xr Renamed to Cairo
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Unfortunately the problem with this will be getting hardware manufacturers to produce suitable drivers. Getting them to produce linux drivers for OpenGL was bad enough, and is still a mess (thanks, nVidia!).
If designed well enough, perhaps Cairo itself can sit on top of GLX, but we'll see...
Re:That sample rasterized penguin looks contented!
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That should allow for some superb gaming
Not if it isn't hardware accelerated. Until then OpenGL will still be the way to go.
So, when does this turn in to a practical product?
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Xr Renamed to Cairo
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I like the sound of Xr/Cairo, seems pretty cool. But how long is it going to take for this to turn in to something I can actually use? I guess the eventual goal is to have GTK and QT running on top of Cairo (maybe with extensions to do explicitly vector things?), but this strikes me as something that's not going to happen fast. Maybe I'm just being impatient.
What if I don't like either? Things like this should be licensed under LGPL or a BSD-style license, or you just shouldn't bother.
Say I write GPL cross-platform applications, but what if I wanted to pull my own dual licensing scheme and sell it as commercial product with some closed source enhancements? I can't do this with QT without paying Trolltech.
Basically Trolltech are preventing people making money of QT software unless they receive their dividend. This is why Sun can't use QT in OpenOffice/StarOffice and it's also why Ximian can't and doesn't use QT.
Just to balance the argument, I throughly dislike Epiphany's bookmarks. My bookmarks are three to four folders deep in some places, my bookmarks menu would be about 3000px tall if it had to be flattened (definitely took some scrolling after the Epiphany importer had done its job!). So I'm sticking with Firebird for now, or maybe wait for GTK2 Galeon.
CDE is still X11, so provided they have their tool chains and libraries sorted out from Solaris I can't imagine why stuff shouldn't work.
I have no idea about Solaris user-land, is it much different to GNU?
As a devout Gnomer, I have to say Plastik is the first KDE widget theme I've seen that makes me go "ooh, that actually looks nice!". Kudos to whoever came up with it, he's done a fantastic job.
[quote]
Are you on the grapevine yet ?
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Surprisingly not, due to its sad (but not unexpected) lack of support for anything other than Windows and Internet Explorer.
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Yes there are compile options to more closely integrate it with Gnome IIRC.
It's not really true for Gnome users (like me) any more. For example, Nautilus, Epiphany, X-Chat, Abiword, Evolution, although admittedly we still have Gaim, Gnumeric, and so forth... That said, I don't care what a product is called so long as it does its job. Hence both desktops have adopted writing "Web Browser" or "E-mail Client" rather than "[Konqueror|Epiphany|Mozilla]" or "[KMail|Evolution]".
Woah, is this a bug in the slashcode? Why is my parent appearing above parents that were submitted before it? Curious...
I have a GRUB password so this trick doesn't work on my machine. But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.
;)
Point is, there's nothing to stop this happening in any other operating system either, including Windows - unless you use encrypted file systems - again available in most major operating systems including Linux!
So, when people go on and on about this trick as an example of how Linux isn't secure, I just ignore them
... shame I'm not one of them. It's nice to hear than we've got another competitor to Outlook and Novell Ximian Evolution that will keep development nice and fresh.
On a related note, where did this K-ism thing come from? It really bugs me, quite honestly. I presume it's from the original "Cool" = "Kool" thing, but considering that the K in KDE no longer stands for Kool it seems to me that it's getting rather tiresome!
Software piracy is a big enough problem in Asia that I suspect a government would be unwise to attempt to sell its product to its public when they'd just use it without paying anyway.
Hopefully it will also be distributed open source, but I guess only time will tell. It's interesting to consider how compatible Chinese Communist ideals with OSS (more compatible than Capitalist Democracies?).
I can tell from your previous posts that you're an obvious Microsoft apologist - but separating fact from bias - Unicode support works perfectly well on this Linux box and all of the others I've ever used. International HTML characters render correctly, I can enter unicode characters into any modern application (e.g. those based on GTK or QT).
Internationalisation has always been a responsibility of the application programmer (strings don't magically translate themselves, well at least not yet!) - so don't blame Unix systems in general just because your particular program doesn't come with a specific language translation. Microsoft can pay people to do this work, whereas opensource has to find someone with the skill and the free time to provide and update translations. Fortunately this situation will improve as more of the world "turns on" to open systems.
I think he means Javascript... easily mixed up by someone who's never written a line of code in their life. Of course, we shouldn't blame Microsoft's ill-designed DHTML Javascript calls which allow things like borderless windows to pop up and trick us in the first place!
I think you're missing the point. A closed source Linux from Microsoft doesn't hold much appeal, at least for me.
Unfortunately the problem with this will be getting hardware manufacturers to produce suitable drivers. Getting them to produce linux drivers for OpenGL was bad enough, and is still a mess (thanks, nVidia!). If designed well enough, perhaps Cairo itself can sit on top of GLX, but we'll see...
I like the sound of Xr/Cairo, seems pretty cool. But how long is it going to take for this to turn in to something I can actually use? I guess the eventual goal is to have GTK and QT running on top of Cairo (maybe with extensions to do explicitly vector things?), but this strikes me as something that's not going to happen fast. Maybe I'm just being impatient.
What if I don't like either? Things like this should be licensed under LGPL or a BSD-style license, or you just shouldn't bother. Say I write GPL cross-platform applications, but what if I wanted to pull my own dual licensing scheme and sell it as commercial product with some closed source enhancements? I can't do this with QT without paying Trolltech. Basically Trolltech are preventing people making money of QT software unless they receive their dividend. This is why Sun can't use QT in OpenOffice/StarOffice and it's also why Ximian can't and doesn't use QT.
Just to balance the argument, I throughly dislike Epiphany's bookmarks. My bookmarks are three to four folders deep in some places, my bookmarks menu would be about 3000px tall if it had to be flattened (definitely took some scrolling after the Epiphany importer had done its job!). So I'm sticking with Firebird for now, or maybe wait for GTK2 Galeon.
Mozilla Firebird on the other hand (aka Phoenix) will do GTK2. I should hope so anyway, since it's the browser in which this post is being typed.
CDE is still X11, so provided they have their tool chains and libraries sorted out from Solaris I can't imagine why stuff shouldn't work. I have no idea about Solaris user-land, is it much different to GNU?
As a devout Gnomer, I have to say Plastik is the first KDE widget theme I've seen that makes me go "ooh, that actually looks nice!". Kudos to whoever came up with it, he's done a fantastic job.
Bah, does no-one here understand irony?
Damn, I should have RTFA. That is expensive. I think I'll stick to supermarket coffee and send Mozilla the money directly.
As a heavy coffee drinker and equally heavy Mozilla user this seems like a good deal!
[quote] Are you on the grapevine yet ? [/quote] Surprisingly not, due to its sad (but not unexpected) lack of support for anything other than Windows and Internet Explorer.
Well mod me redundant! The /.ers already noticed.
GNOME also has similar HIG specifications which are applied to the core GNOME desktop and increasingly, GTK applications written with GNOME in mind.
These have got to be mock-ups. Tell me that Microsoft employees know the difference between a GHz and a GB. Look closely at the wording under the picture of the PC