People who don't realize HOW valuable SSN's are. I was working as a DB consultant at one point, a company wanted to move a lot of their data into a system for their salespeople. I asked for a sample set of their data... they sent me their entire database, a listing of everyone who's public net worth was over a certain amount (IIRC, $750,000) with a residence in the state. The information they sent me had all of the information needed to become them... Name, DoB, SSN, Spouse Name, DoB, SSN, Address, etc. They e-mailed it over in a zip file. No password protection, no encryption, just a huge amount of ungodly valuable data. My boss at the time had no idea why my jaw just dropped and hit the floor when I saw it, and didn't understand why I was asking for a copy of the NDA we signed (there was no NDA). And this was just three years ago...
I mean, probably 80%+ of people in my state (where SSN on the Drivers License is optional) still keep it on there. People really don't understand what can be done... and the worst are the people who say things like, "Oh, no one wants my identity, besides... what could they do with it?"
Nephilium
Why has a religious turn of mind always a tendancy to narrow and harden the heart? -- Robert Burns
Personally... I think the game that had the best "Cheat Unlocks" was the first AvP game for PC's... they gave you an unlock goal on each mission... hitting that goal unlocked cheat modes, only useable for missions you've already beat... and they were cool... stuff like John Woo mode (as more action appeared on the screen, the action slowed down)... Pipecleaner mode (all the models were just the skeletons, skinned to look like Pipecleaners)... Trip mode (the screen never focused, swerved randomly, and flashed in random colors...) Sniper Munch (super long range on the alien headbite)...
It made it fun to aim for the goal, just to see what you would get... and John Woo mode of course destroyed all others...
Nephilium
Which is it: is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's? -- Nietzsche
Yes... because Wikipedia is always perfectly sane and accurate when discussing anything with even a whiff of controversy...
WARNING: Post may contain Sarcasm. Sarcasm not meant to be used orally, intravenously, or topically. Sarcasm is meant to be taken aurally or occularly only. Sarcasm may cause discomfort in areas covered with highly reflective material. Sarcasm may cause the following side effects: Discomfort, High Blood Pressure, Spots in Vision, Unusual Cranial Activity, Sudden Quick Breathing, and Gritting of Teeth. If Side Effects occur, continue taking Sarcasm until symptoms stop.
Nephilium
Religion is simply art bastardized out of all recognition. -- Lawrence Durell
Really... $40-60 for a game may not be cheap... But... you can wait a month or two, and see the price become $15-30 for the same game... Does that qualify as cheap yet?
Now onto the real fun...
1) Development cost will be a lot more
I can live with Microsoft and Oracle making fewer billions. No problem.
Doesn't work that way... it means you'll be spending more for the software... It is impossible to tax or charge a business something... they'll pass the charge along as it becomes part of the cost of the product...
2) Development time will be a lot more
Well, Duke Nukem Forever and LongVista should be completely bug-free then.
Got it backwards there... with longer Development times, we'd still be working on W2K and *shudder* WinMe... Longer development time != less bugs; coding for less bugs causes longer development time...
3) Hardware will be restricted. You are not going to be running this on any random hardware
I don't buy it. So long as everything is standard and functioning properly I can use any brand of gasoline or spark plugs in my car. A new video card shouldn't be a crap shoot, all of its specs should be published, it should be an OS issue; the web browser shouldn't care what brand of hard drive I'm using.
The published specs are not the same thing as what the system needs to talk to it... Knowing a video card can push 1600x1200 with 32 bit color does not tell a thing about coding for it... And yep, you can put any brand of spark plug in your car... but don't they have to be listed as explicitly compatable with your model car? I know for simple things like lights and windshield wipers they do... And the web browser will care about the brand of hard drive if it required a driver that was badly written...
4) Other software will be limited. Only apps fully tested with your app can run on the same system
Again, I don't buy it. My software shouldn't depend on your software unless your software is the OS.
Unless your software isn't written properly, causing errors that spread out... and do you think the average user can tell what caused a crash? They see a BSOD or the machine reboots (AKA a STOP error), and they think Windows died... which is true... but what caused it? The crapware they installed? A badly written driver? Or a flaw in Windows?
5) Slower performance.
Bullshit. Write cleaner, tighter code. My old XT had a 5 mz processor and it ran a spreadsheet just fine. I'm typing this on a machine with an 1800mz CPU, that's almost 400 times as fast. Blame everything except your own laziness and incompetence and greed, eh?
Your old XT also displayed that spreadsheet in monochrome, with noticeable delays when you did even moderately sized calculations... and had very little error checking going on... and a tiny OS... (Also... just as an aside, clock speed doesn't directly equal processor speed...) But you can get a huge performance boost, just load DOS on your faster bigger machine, and lose the GUI, the eye-candy, and the ease of use features...
Also... when people write an OS... there's an issue... they have to trust people like *you* the user to not fsck it up... Taking your "MS should pay for any detected bugs" approach... does that mean MS (and all the users of the internet effected) can charge you for deciding that you really did get an anonymous love letter, and needed to read it? Or that you really needed to see that porn from the website which had you click OK to a button in some foreign language?
If you really think that your car is more complex then any piece of retail software out there... I really doubt you've ever even looked at either a programming language or any source code... Your car has what, several hundred (maybe thousand) moving parts? Your average computer program has a lot more stuff going on then that... add to the fact, if you have a flaw in a cosmetic piece of a car, the car won't stop working... a computer program can...
There's another issue involved in studing climate... sample size...
Humankind as existed as a short little blip on the length that the climate has been running... and the amount of time that we have (reasonably accurate) samples on even simple things like regional temperature is even less.
That's the part of climate study that always concerns me... we're trying to extrapolate out what's going on in a complicated model, with a small data set, and just small guides to help us...
Nephilium
The trouble with born again Christians is that they are an even bigger pain the second time around. -- Herb Caen
Neither... nor works in English as saying that the objects you mention (Windows Vista and Clippy) do not appear in the list. Since one of the items is mentioned in the list, the statement is wrong. Clippy does appear in the list, just as a note under Bob.
As an example, I like neither onions nor horseradish. This means I do not like onions. In addition to that, I do not like horseradish. If I liked one of those items, my statement is false.
I suggest some more work to move up out of the Grammar HJ...
Nephilium
You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic. -- Zeb in Revolt in 2001
One reason they stick mainly to the tragedies is because the comedies are "dirty"... We can't have High School children reading a play with sex and potty humor... Same thing gets done to Chaucer...
Personally... if you want "classics" that the kids may like to read, and will probably enjoy... I would lean towards Bradbury (short stories only... his novels are usually meh... IMHO), Chandler, Lewis (Don't tell me the Screwtape Letters isn't an interesting piece of literature), Dumas, and Hammett... If you're just looking for good books to get kids interested in reading... you've got Pratchett, Gaiman (children's books ONLY... unless you want to explain some very strange concepts...), Heinlein (Same as Gaiman), Card, Rowling, Lewis, L'Engle, and Asprin... (In no order other then what popped into my head...)
I know, after teaching my neice to read... and letting her have access to my library (with my supervision of what books were picked up... ten year olds should not be reading American Gods... unless they're your kids, in which case, let 'em at it...) she started trying to pilfer more books all the time... and started branching into books herself that looked good/interesting to her...
Getting kids to read is sort of like being a drug dealer... you just need to get them hooked... then once they've got the monkey on their back, just leave those classics you want them to read sitting around... eventually... they'll be out of books, and needing a fix... and they'll pick it up, and start reading it...
Nephilium
Goodness without wisdom always accomplished evil. -- Valentine Michael Smith in Stranger in a Strange Land
Look up the Sidhe... There are elves in Celtic mythology... and think of them as humanity taken to the extreme, the beautiful are *really* beautiful, the ugly are *really* ugly, the cruel are *really* cruel, etc... Or look up the Wild Hunt...
Also, depending on what version of "elf" you mean... the Fir Bolg may qualify as such as well...
Sure they have... at least now... USB flash, CDRs and DVDRs... If your critical DATA (not your apps, those can be re-installed) takes up more then a DVD... then you should have a tape drive... especially for home use...
I'll throw a caveat on there... never get mad at the person where they can see/sense it... Vent it out later...
Personally... I've found having a somewhat irreverant attitude when asking them helps as well... I'm pretty sure that whenever anyone at my workplace calls me, they know the first question asked will be, "Alright, what did you break this time?" said with a smile... The few who seemed upset by this, started laughing as well once I explained that no one ever calls us just to say hello, or ask how we're doing, but only when something wasn't working...
Another important thing I've learned is to update people, let them know that you are working on the problem, and if you've got any ideas what may be causing it, to let them know... most cool off quickly once you can show you understand the issue (both severity, and the way to fix it)...
Actually, I think the shopping attire will eventually be mandated...
And does this mean whenever someone asks me if I can help them I'd get in trouble?
Although... it does remind me of my retail days... one customer asked someone who was wearing close to the same clothes as the staff where something was... when the person being asked said they didn't know, the one asking started ranting and swearing at them... for five minutes... after he stopped, the person who was asked calmly said, "I don't work here." Then turned and walked away... of course... the entire staff was in the next aisle over trying not to laugh out loud too loudly...
Who makes it so that when you think GE you think fMRI, lightbulbs and NBC rather than nuclear weapons? Advertisers, and their big-brothers, PR people.
Nope, the fact that they make a lot more lightbulbs then nukes... and I don't really have any issue with companies making nukes...
Who diverts your attention from the bunnies in shackles testing cosmetics to the voluptuous lashes and attractive partners you'll have if you only use Brand X's mascara? Advertisers.
Nope... again, I would rather animal testing over human testing... if testing is needed...
Who makes you believe that the high price of patented medicine needs to remain high at the expense of the third world and in the interests of the pharmaceutical companies? Advertisers.
And again... I think it needs to remain high because of the costs involved in R&D, and the need for a company to make back its investment capital...
And the advertisers aren't the ones causing ignorance... that would be the willfully ignorant people... you can't force people to try to learn... only provide the opportunity for them to learn.
Coffee powder... COFFEE POWDER?! What the hell is wrong with you man! Coffee comes from beans, that are freshly ground, then had nice hot water poured over them...
And Chicory is a stretcher for coffee... not caffeine... it's a root... from the dandelion family IIRC...
Bah... sure, blame the new administration. They've just gotten all of the documentation from the previous administration, and are still sorting and filing it. You can't just expect Taft to come into office, and turn everything around right away!
Hey Mr. DJ, I thought you said we had a deal
I thought you said, "You scratch my back and I'll scratch your record"
And I thought you said we had a deal
Ummm... racists *are* allowed to rally and recruit... despite protests against them. They apply for a public event license (more of a rubber stamp to notify the local government so that adequate police are available, and to make sure it won't interfere with standard commerce too much), and they go rally. They have been protested, and sued, and the courts have *always* said that this falls under free speech.
And free speech is all about saying it in public, not in private. As a matter of fact, private companies are not obligated to respect free speech, only the government. I can, under the constitution, tell my boss to go fuck himself. The government can do nothing about this, the company I work for can (and probably will) fire me, and I have no recourse against that.
Free speech carries with it the counter responsiblity to own up to what you said, and to live with the consequences.
Free speech does not mean that I have an unlimited right to have everyone reproduce what I say, or transmit it, or publish it. It means I can say it, publish it, transmit it (following appropriate regulations), print it, or even put it on a t-shirt. It does not say that anyone has to listen to me, take me seriously, or respect me for saying it.
We have no problem providing the bandwidth you are paying for, we have a problem with giving you more than you are paying for... get it?
So... you're saying your ISP doesn't sell the classic "UNLIMITED INTERNET!"? If so... then what I'm buying is unlimited access over a pipe of a certain size. If you're selling X GB download/upload a month... then I can get "more than [I am] paying for". As long as you call it unlimited, then I have unlimited upload/download, get it?
The difference that you seem to be missing is two fold:
1) What countries is that server in? If you go to a country in which pornography is legal, and see a billboard with a naked lady on it (THE HORROR!), then since I can put a billboard up along a freeway, it's legal. And what about countries where you can't get porn at 18? Why should your filthy standards apply to them?!
2) You don't have to go past every website to get to another one. The billboard anology may make sense if in order to get to/., I have to go past CmdrTaco's porno emporium (Maybe I should copyright that name... hmmm...). Any site I see, I got to it by one way. My machine requested this information from a site.
Hate to break it to you, but teh 3v1l pr0|\| isn't hunting THE CHILDREN down... but rather, the other way around...
Personally... the issue I have (and I reserve judgement until more information comes out) is this:
Given that the phonecalls had at least one party with either ties to Al'Queda or was not a citizen. Also given that information that could be extremely time sensitive could be involved. I have no issue with the wiretaps themselves...
The issue I have is with the fact that the FISA court does allow for retro-active granting of warrants, and that Bush did not go and get the warrants afterwards, there's the issue I have. It may come out that the warrants were requested, and received, and then classified... if that's the case, I'm (for the most part) satisfied, if that is *not* the case, then we have a problem...
Slashdot Mirror
Actually... if you've got the list, I'd be interested in seeing it...
Most of the lists I see show (IIRC) that several of our larger states are in the top 10 largest markets...
Nephilium
There's another problem as well...
People who don't realize HOW valuable SSN's are. I was working as a DB consultant at one point, a company wanted to move a lot of their data into a system for their salespeople. I asked for a sample set of their data... they sent me their entire database, a listing of everyone who's public net worth was over a certain amount (IIRC, $750,000) with a residence in the state. The information they sent me had all of the information needed to become them... Name, DoB, SSN, Spouse Name, DoB, SSN, Address, etc. They e-mailed it over in a zip file. No password protection, no encryption, just a huge amount of ungodly valuable data. My boss at the time had no idea why my jaw just dropped and hit the floor when I saw it, and didn't understand why I was asking for a copy of the NDA we signed (there was no NDA). And this was just three years ago...
I mean, probably 80%+ of people in my state (where SSN on the Drivers License is optional) still keep it on there. People really don't understand what can be done... and the worst are the people who say things like, "Oh, no one wants my identity, besides... what could they do with it?"
Nephilium
Why has a religious turn of mind always a tendancy to narrow and harden the heart? -- Robert Burns
Personally... I think the game that had the best "Cheat Unlocks" was the first AvP game for PC's... they gave you an unlock goal on each mission... hitting that goal unlocked cheat modes, only useable for missions you've already beat... and they were cool... stuff like John Woo mode (as more action appeared on the screen, the action slowed down)... Pipecleaner mode (all the models were just the skeletons, skinned to look like Pipecleaners)... Trip mode (the screen never focused, swerved randomly, and flashed in random colors...) Sniper Munch (super long range on the alien headbite)...
It made it fun to aim for the goal, just to see what you would get... and John Woo mode of course destroyed all others...
Nephilium
Which is it: is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's? -- Nietzsche
Yes... because Wikipedia is always perfectly sane and accurate when discussing anything with even a whiff of controversy...
WARNING: Post may contain Sarcasm. Sarcasm not meant to be used orally, intravenously, or topically. Sarcasm is meant to be taken aurally or occularly only. Sarcasm may cause discomfort in areas covered with highly reflective material. Sarcasm may cause the following side effects: Discomfort, High Blood Pressure, Spots in Vision, Unusual Cranial Activity, Sudden Quick Breathing, and Gritting of Teeth. If Side Effects occur, continue taking Sarcasm until symptoms stop.
Nephilium
Religion is simply art bastardized out of all recognition. -- Lawrence Durell
You mean something like this?
Nephilium
Are you sure you belong here?
Really... $40-60 for a game may not be cheap... But... you can wait a month or two, and see the price become $15-30 for the same game... Does that qualify as cheap yet?
Now onto the real fun...
Doesn't work that way... it means you'll be spending more for the software... It is impossible to tax or charge a business something... they'll pass the charge along as it becomes part of the cost of the product...
Got it backwards there... with longer Development times, we'd still be working on W2K and *shudder* WinMe... Longer development time != less bugs; coding for less bugs causes longer development time...
The published specs are not the same thing as what the system needs to talk to it... Knowing a video card can push 1600x1200 with 32 bit color does not tell a thing about coding for it... And yep, you can put any brand of spark plug in your car... but don't they have to be listed as explicitly compatable with your model car? I know for simple things like lights and windshield wipers they do... And the web browser will care about the brand of hard drive if it required a driver that was badly written...
Unless your software isn't written properly, causing errors that spread out... and do you think the average user can tell what caused a crash? They see a BSOD or the machine reboots (AKA a STOP error), and they think Windows died... which is true... but what caused it? The crapware they installed? A badly written driver? Or a flaw in Windows?
Your old XT also displayed that spreadsheet in monochrome, with noticeable delays when you did even moderately sized calculations... and had very little error checking going on... and a tiny OS... (Also... just as an aside, clock speed doesn't directly equal processor speed...) But you can get a huge performance boost, just load DOS on your faster bigger machine, and lose the GUI, the eye-candy, and the ease of use features...
Also... when people write an OS... there's an issue... they have to trust people like *you* the user to not fsck it up... Taking your "MS should pay for any detected bugs" approach... does that mean MS (and all the users of the internet effected) can charge you for deciding that you really did get an anonymous love letter, and needed to read it? Or that you really needed to see that porn from the website which had you click OK to a button in some foreign language?
If you really think that your car is more complex then any piece of retail software out there... I really doubt you've ever even looked at either a programming language or any source code... Your car has what, several hundred (maybe thousand) moving parts? Your average computer program has a lot more stuff going on then that... add to the fact, if you have a flaw in a cosmetic piece of a car, the car won't stop working... a computer program can...
Nephilium
There's another issue involved in studing climate... sample size...
Humankind as existed as a short little blip on the length that the climate has been running... and the amount of time that we have (reasonably accurate) samples on even simple things like regional temperature is even less.
That's the part of climate study that always concerns me... we're trying to extrapolate out what's going on in a complicated model, with a small data set, and just small guides to help us...
Nephilium
The trouble with born again Christians is that they are an even bigger pain the second time around. -- Herb Caen
Neither... nor works in English as saying that the objects you mention (Windows Vista and Clippy) do not appear in the list. Since one of the items is mentioned in the list, the statement is wrong. Clippy does appear in the list, just as a note under Bob.
As an example, I like neither onions nor horseradish. This means I do not like onions. In addition to that, I do not like horseradish. If I liked one of those items, my statement is false.
I suggest some more work to move up out of the Grammar HJ...
Nephilium
You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic. -- Zeb in Revolt in 2001
**stuffs karma bonus away to stay under radar**
Actually... if you had bothered to RTFA... Clippy is mentioned... just bundled under the horror and pain that is Bob...
Nephilium
One reason they stick mainly to the tragedies is because the comedies are "dirty"... We can't have High School children reading a play with sex and potty humor... Same thing gets done to Chaucer...
Personally... if you want "classics" that the kids may like to read, and will probably enjoy... I would lean towards Bradbury (short stories only... his novels are usually meh... IMHO), Chandler, Lewis (Don't tell me the Screwtape Letters isn't an interesting piece of literature), Dumas, and Hammett... If you're just looking for good books to get kids interested in reading... you've got Pratchett, Gaiman (children's books ONLY... unless you want to explain some very strange concepts...), Heinlein (Same as Gaiman), Card, Rowling, Lewis, L'Engle, and Asprin... (In no order other then what popped into my head...)
I know, after teaching my neice to read... and letting her have access to my library (with my supervision of what books were picked up... ten year olds should not be reading American Gods... unless they're your kids, in which case, let 'em at it...) she started trying to pilfer more books all the time... and started branching into books herself that looked good/interesting to her...
Getting kids to read is sort of like being a drug dealer... you just need to get them hooked... then once they've got the monkey on their back, just leave those classics you want them to read sitting around... eventually... they'll be out of books, and needing a fix... and they'll pick it up, and start reading it...
Nephilium
Goodness without wisdom always accomplished evil. -- Valentine Michael Smith in Stranger in a Strange LandLook up the Sidhe... There are elves in Celtic mythology... and think of them as humanity taken to the extreme, the beautiful are *really* beautiful, the ugly are *really* ugly, the cruel are *really* cruel, etc... Or look up the Wild Hunt...
Also, depending on what version of "elf" you mean... the Fir Bolg may qualify as such as well...
Nephilium
Sure they have... at least now... USB flash, CDRs and DVDRs... If your critical DATA (not your apps, those can be re-installed) takes up more then a DVD... then you should have a tape drive... especially for home use...
Nephilium
I'll throw a caveat on there... never get mad at the person where they can see/sense it... Vent it out later...
Personally... I've found having a somewhat irreverant attitude when asking them helps as well... I'm pretty sure that whenever anyone at my workplace calls me, they know the first question asked will be, "Alright, what did you break this time?" said with a smile... The few who seemed upset by this, started laughing as well once I explained that no one ever calls us just to say hello, or ask how we're doing, but only when something wasn't working...
Another important thing I've learned is to update people, let them know that you are working on the problem, and if you've got any ideas what may be causing it, to let them know... most cool off quickly once you can show you understand the issue (both severity, and the way to fix it)...
But... these are only my experiences... YMMV...
Nephilium
Actually, I think the shopping attire will eventually be mandated...
And does this mean whenever someone asks me if I can help them I'd get in trouble?
Although... it does remind me of my retail days... one customer asked someone who was wearing close to the same clothes as the staff where something was... when the person being asked said they didn't know, the one asking started ranting and swearing at them... for five minutes... after he stopped, the person who was asked calmly said, "I don't work here." Then turned and walked away... of course... the entire staff was in the next aisle over trying not to laugh out loud too loudly...
NephiliumYep... and they do not get protected by the Geneva Convention rules either...
NephiliumIf you provide your SSN, we'll track down your current employer and hand deliver it...
Or... for faster service, provide your bank information, and we'll wire you the funds to get your OWN candy bar...
How can you lose?
NephiliumNope, the fact that they make a lot more lightbulbs then nukes... and I don't really have any issue with companies making nukes...
Nope... again, I would rather animal testing over human testing... if testing is needed...
And again... I think it needs to remain high because of the costs involved in R&D, and the need for a company to make back its investment capital...
And the advertisers aren't the ones causing ignorance... that would be the willfully ignorant people... you can't force people to try to learn... only provide the opportunity for them to learn.
Nephilium
Coffee powder... COFFEE POWDER?! What the hell is wrong with you man! Coffee comes from beans, that are freshly ground, then had nice hot water poured over them...
And Chicory is a stretcher for coffee... not caffeine... it's a root... from the dandelion family IIRC...
But COFFEE POWDER!? I weep for your taste buds...
Nephilium
Bah... sure, blame the new administration. They've just gotten all of the documentation from the previous administration, and are still sorting and filing it. You can't just expect Taft to come into office, and turn everything around right away!
Nephilium
Bah...
Hey Mr. DJ, I thought you said we had a deal
I thought you said, "You scratch my back and I'll scratch your record"
And I thought you said we had a deal
Much better song...
Nephilium...
Ummm... racists *are* allowed to rally and recruit... despite protests against them. They apply for a public event license (more of a rubber stamp to notify the local government so that adequate police are available, and to make sure it won't interfere with standard commerce too much), and they go rally. They have been protested, and sued, and the courts have *always* said that this falls under free speech.
And free speech is all about saying it in public, not in private. As a matter of fact, private companies are not obligated to respect free speech, only the government. I can, under the constitution, tell my boss to go fuck himself. The government can do nothing about this, the company I work for can (and probably will) fire me, and I have no recourse against that.
Free speech carries with it the counter responsiblity to own up to what you said, and to live with the consequences.
Free speech does not mean that I have an unlimited right to have everyone reproduce what I say, or transmit it, or publish it. It means I can say it, publish it, transmit it (following appropriate regulations), print it, or even put it on a t-shirt. It does not say that anyone has to listen to me, take me seriously, or respect me for saying it.
Nephilium
So... you're saying your ISP doesn't sell the classic "UNLIMITED INTERNET!"? If so... then what I'm buying is unlimited access over a pipe of a certain size. If you're selling X GB download/upload a month... then I can get "more than [I am] paying for". As long as you call it unlimited, then I have unlimited upload/download, get it?
Nephilium
Nah... survival rate is too high for that... have Senator Kennedy give him a ride home from a party...
Nephilium
**Sniff sniff... is that burning karma I smell?**
The difference that you seem to be missing is two fold:
/., I have to go past CmdrTaco's porno emporium (Maybe I should copyright that name... hmmm...). Any site I see, I got to it by one way. My machine requested this information from a site.
1) What countries is that server in? If you go to a country in which pornography is legal, and see a billboard with a naked lady on it (THE HORROR!), then since I can put a billboard up along a freeway, it's legal. And what about countries where you can't get porn at 18? Why should your filthy standards apply to them?!
2) You don't have to go past every website to get to another one. The billboard anology may make sense if in order to get to
Hate to break it to you, but teh 3v1l pr0|\| isn't hunting THE CHILDREN down... but rather, the other way around...
Nephilium
Personally... the issue I have (and I reserve judgement until more information comes out) is this:
Given that the phonecalls had at least one party with either ties to Al'Queda or was not a citizen. Also given that information that could be extremely time sensitive could be involved. I have no issue with the wiretaps themselves...
The issue I have is with the fact that the FISA court does allow for retro-active granting of warrants, and that Bush did not go and get the warrants afterwards, there's the issue I have. It may come out that the warrants were requested, and received, and then classified... if that's the case, I'm (for the most part) satisfied, if that is *not* the case, then we have a problem...
Nephilium