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The 25 Worst Tech Products of All Time

Khammurabi writes "PC World compiled a list of the 25 worst tech products of all time. From the article: 'At PC World, we spend most of our time talking about products that make your life easier or your work more productive. But it's the lousy ones that linger in our memory long after their shrinkwrap has shriveled, and that make tech editors cry out, "What have I done to deserve this?"' Number one on the list? AOL."

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

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  2. Windows should be number 1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..this article is suspect!

    1. Re:Windows should be number 1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about windows, but I know I don't want to go from #1 to 25 in a top 25 list.

      Why are online journalists so fucking retarded?

  3. Missing entry by yagu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good list... where's X10?

    And, if you include Windows ME, where's Windows 3.1? Actually, it might not be a bad idea to have an honorable mention "collection" entry and include all of the horrible Windows versions.... (95, CE, ME, NT)

    1. Re:Missing entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      X10 is great. I've used it (off and on, no pun intended) for many years to turn lights on and off remotely. One of the X10 sellers (I don't think it was X10 itself) years ago even sold a 'starter pack' for like $10 that had way more than that worth of stuff in it.

    2. Re:Missing entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Good list... where's X10?

      Lousy nasty sleazy company, but their product is cheap and works as intended. What's wrong with the product?

    3. Re:Missing entry by ab762 · · Score: 2, Funny
      horrible Windows versions.... (95, CE, ME, NT)

      Reminds me of the User Friendly Sunday comic that announced the combined product "Windows CEMENT ... hard as a rock and thick as a brick."

    4. Re:Missing entry by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      X10 is a standard not a company.
      And many find the product doesn't work as intended.

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    5. Re:Missing entry by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      Good list... where's X10?

      X-10 the protocol is not bad tech. The company that DBA X10 is another story -- perhaps "25 Most Obnoxious Tech Advertisers".

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    6. Re:Missing entry by pogson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      When you consider how many copies of MSFT OS's are out there and how many billions they cost and how many billions they cost to reboot, reboot, reboot and re-install and de-louse, surely they must be number 1 on this list. Lots of these other products never made their first billion in damages.

      The only good I got from Lose95 was the urge to switch to GNU/Linux. I was spending half an hour each day rebooting. Thank you, Microsoft, wherever you are! I cannot remember the last time I had to reboot Linux for any cause except for loss of power or equipment failure.

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    7. Re:Missing entry by kc32 · · Score: 1

      You're saying 3.1 was one of the worst Windows versions? 3.1 kicked ass. Now 95 was horrible, but at least 3.1 was stable.

    8. Re:Missing entry by AWhistler · · Score: 1

      I second this! I have X10 attached to my cable modem. Whenever my cable company messes up my link, all I have to do is tell my remote control to turn the modem off and back on, and I'm usually back on in about a minute. Plus, it's easy to perform ISO layer 1 security on my home network if something happens that looks fishy (unplug it!).

      I'd like to use it more, but just about all the lights in my house are flourescent (power savers, y'know), and the X10 light switches don't like that. If only they had one that works with those lights, or there was an appliance module that looks like a light switch.

      And, while I don't use it this way, it's not bad at home security (a do-it-yourself house alarm), and since it's a standard, what I *DO* use as a house alarm flashes all my X10 lamps when the alarm goes off since it has that feature built in.

    9. Re:Missing entry by maxume · · Score: 1

      3.0 was the horrible version. 3.1 was the good version.

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    10. Re:Missing entry by kz45 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only good I got from Lose95 was the urge to switch to GNU/Linux. I was spending half an hour each day rebooting. Thank you, Microsoft, wherever you are! I cannot remember the last time I had to reboot Linux for any cause except for loss of power or equipment failure

      and when was this...in 1995?

      windows sucked from 3.1-98 (incuding ME), but XP,2000, and 2003 are great operating systems. It's the dumb users, spyware companies, virus writers, and horrible programs that give it a bad rap. Linux, for the most part, does not have dumb users (it takes some nohow to stray from the norm), spyware (not enough critical mass to be profitable), or viruses (not enough critical mass to spread), which takes many headaches out of the equation.

      I use both linux and microsoft operating systems and each have their strong points. But, Microsft did bring the world into the computer age as we know it. They deserve a little more credit.

      Every few months I will try out the latest and greatest linux distro for my desktop (madrake,xandros,redhat,ubantu)..and for the most part, I am disappointed and eventually un-install it and put XP or 2003 back on my system.

    11. Re:Missing entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Good list... where's X10?
      Did you mean OS X 10 (.0 and .1)? Version 10.0 should have been a beta, not a $129 product. The "free" upgrade to version 10.1 was a nice apology, but still slow as molasses. The first good version, 10.2, was not a free (or discounted) upgrade.
    12. Re:Missing entry by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      "it might not be a bad idea to have an honorable mention "collection" entry and include all of the horrible Windows versions.... (95, CE, ME, NT)" ... that list is a bit incomplete: you forgot Windows XP and Vista

    13. Re:Missing entry by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      Vista isn't out yet and XP falls under NT, since its just NT 5.1.

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    14. Re:Missing entry by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      "Vista isn't out yet" ... yes, but I have faith in Microsoft ;)

    15. Re:Missing entry by HeroreV · · Score: 1

      spyware companies, virus writers, and horrible programs that give it a bad rap

      I think it's actually the massive security holes that allow in spyware and viruses that give Windows a bad rap. There's also many other things that you don't mention such as settings organization, the registry, lack of bundled software, etc.

    16. Re:Missing entry by kz45 · · Score: 1

      I think it's actually the massive security holes that allow in spyware and viruses that give Windows a bad rap. There's also many other things that you don't mention such as settings organization, the registry, lack of bundled software, etc

      I know, because receiving an email that says "click here to see jennifer lopez's tits" and leading the user to a download with spyware is really the fault of Microsoft.

  4. #1 on the list should be by Penguinshit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Windows ME

    1. Re:#1 on the list should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's at number 4.

    2. Re:#1 on the list should be by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      It's in the top 5, so you can't complain about that. After all, that's some pretty stiff competition.

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    3. Re:#1 on the list should be by joe+155 · · Score: 0

      the band Ah-a never allowed anyone in their recording studio to use windows millenium edition... they just weren't willing to "take on ME"

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    4. Re:#1 on the list should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


      #1 on the list should be (Score:3, Funny)
      by Penguinshit (591885) on Friday May 26, @04:31PM (#15412305)

      Windows ME


      Don't you mean Windows Me running AOL from an Iomega Zip drive?

    5. Re:#1 on the list should be by honkycat · · Score: 1

      This joke should be in the top 3 on the list.

    6. Re:#1 on the list should be by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      I know a lot of people online complain and moan and whine about WinME, but I never really had that much of a problem with.
          It certainly was much better than 95 (any version) and a bit better than 98 (never ran 98se, but from what I've seen it was only marginally more stable than ME or plain 98) as far as supported tech and about the same, or close as far as stability goes.
          Not that any win9x version all that good mind you, this is relative within the 9x family.
          Also my expeiences just anectedotal, and likely a statistical fluke.

      Mycroft

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  5. Zip Drive? by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I had a zip drive and at the time it filled a large gap between the floppy and CD rewriteable (which was very costly).

    It was good in my opinion, it just never developed fast enough in terms of capacity.

    1. Re:Zip Drive? by ad0gg · · Score: 4, Funny
      It was good in my opinion, it just never developed fast enough in terms of capacity.

      And it made cool clicking sounds after extended usage...

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    2. Re:Zip Drive? by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I had to disagree with that one too. I had a SCSI ZIP drive, and it was fast enough (on a 450MHz P-II mind you) that I could work on it directly (as opposed to just copying files to/from). 100MB was plenty of space for my projects, and it made it easy to swap them with my cow-orkers.

      Hmmm, that reminds me, I'd better back up all those old disks before I decomission my old PC and can't access them anymore....

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    3. Re:Zip Drive? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      I agree...Those things were great for back-ups, especially when you didn't have a CD RW drive. I've heard a lot of stories about them dying, but both of mine still worked the last time I used them (around 2001-2002).

    4. Re:Zip Drive? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I had a zip drive and at the time it filled a large gap between the floppy and CD rewriteable (which was very costly).

      Yeah, the list in question is hugely suspect, and many of the entries are inane. They jump between truly terrible tech, to products and companies that just didn't change with the market. The Zip drive was hugely important and successful (even if the "Clik!" had some technical faults). PointCast was a great solution as well, opening up a lot of people's eyes to the multimedia potential and information sharing of the Internet (and it caused all of the browser makers to focus almost entirely on push for a while).

    5. Re:Zip Drive? by Spez · · Score: 1

      By the way, ZIP drive is in the list, position #15

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    6. Re:Zip Drive? by Onan · · Score: 5, Informative
      I also used and loved zip drives for a while, but their fatal flaw was what came to be affectionately known as the "click of death"; the head becoming so far misaligned that it would slide off the edge of the disk with a loud repetitive clicking sound.

      And if that was just the way old drives failed, that wouldn't have been such a big deal. The problem was the that click of death was, quite literally, contagious: the drives used tracks on disks to recalibrate their head placement.

      This meant that one bad drive would write disks with misaligned tracks, which could then be put into a previously-healthy drive, causing it to misalign its heads to the bad tracks, at which point it would write bad tracks to other disks, which when put into other drives would misalign their heads...

      You get the idea.

    7. Re:Zip Drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sold mine for drugs in 2001.

    8. Re:Zip Drive? by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd like to see those guys take their USB key and plug it into an ancient XT.

      I did with ye olde parallel ZIP, worked just fine.

      I lost count of how many PCs I upgraded to Win95 with a ZIP drive back in the day.

      The ZIP fit a niche, but then the niche went away. Thanks ZIP!

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    9. Re:Zip Drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't that an virus? :)

    10. Re:Zip Drive? by jasonditz · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%... the ZIP was fine tech for its time, and was no more unreliable than the floppy drives it was meant to replace.

      I've still got a ZIP 250 drive in my system, and a 100 drive for my laptop. They're perfectly servicable, and I've never lost data on any one of them.

      Now, the SparQ drive, that was a different matter entirely. Nevermind a 0.05% hardware failure rate or whatever of the ZIP drive, I never once saw a SparQ drive that didn't eat half the carts given to it.

    11. Re:Zip Drive? by jridley · · Score: 1

      The thing is, even at the time there were better alternatives. There was a floppy drive lookalike, I think called "superdisk". 120 mb capacity, looked just like a floppy. more capacity, cheaper, read and wrote normal floppies too so only one drive, faster, didn't die like Zip disks. Their main problem is that they had lousy marketing, nobody had heard of them, and they were up against IOMega, who could sell manure to a pig farmer. It really didn't matter how bad their products were, IOMega could generate buzz over anything and make it seem great.
      Now of course Zips are totally pointless. When you can buy a GB thumb drive for $20, Zip just doesn't make any sense anymore. IOMega is still selling mediocre stuff, but since it's standard equipment like CD recorders, that doesn't matter anymore.

    12. Re:Zip Drive? by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      ZIP was on the market at least a year or two before LS-120, so it had time to get established.

      The Mac Graphics world was previously standardized the 5.25" 52MB Syquest format, where each disk cost about $100. So they rushed headfirst into ZIP when it came out. Also, the early LS-120 drives I used were connected to the slow floppy cable and were almost unusable for large files.

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    13. Re:Zip Drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if that was just the way old drives failed, that wouldn't have been such a big deal. The problem was the that click of death was, quite literally, contagious: the drives used tracks on disks to recalibrate their head placement.

      I was in school at the time, working in the computer center. The school bought into Zip drives in a big way. I think they had close to 300 of them in the lab. The only problem more prevalent than "my computer just crashed and I never saved my thesis that I spent the last 18 hours straight working on, please help" was the dreaded click of death. The first problem I grew to enjoy in a sick sort of way, but the click of death was a bit more painful, because there was no way the user could have prevented it. I'm sure that most of the graduates from my university ended up living as monks for the rest of their lives to avoid these problems. I enjoy the thought of having done my part to make the world a more peaceful place.

    14. Re:Zip Drive? by pyrrho · · Score: 1

      ooooh, I didn't know about the contagion.

      I never had a problem with my zip drive after years of use... but that IS bad.

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    15. Re:Zip Drive? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      In my opinion it wasn't the click of death the killed Iomega. It was the ludicrous price of the media. Sure the cost per megabyte was relatively low but now that you've got 100MB on a single disc, if that disc craps out you've just blown $20. And crap out they did.

      It's funny to see they just don't learn from their mistakes though. They're still in business and trying to sell USB Card readers for 3x the price of everybody else because they have floppy drives built in.

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    16. Re:Zip Drive? by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      When it very first started occuring our university IT department thought they had contracted some virus. Of course, it was some student trying to do thier homework, getting the first click, and then trying to find a machine on campus that would read thier work. For years they would come in waves - replaced all of them, one gets to clicking and then that student deperatly tries to get thier project off of it.

      For quite a while lab monitors were *very* diligent in listening for clicks, signs were all over the lab, and they eventually just got rid of them. When I left you e-mailed it to your department account, downloaded the attachment to a local mcahine, did your work then e-mailed it back (basically using the e-mail server for storage). The machines were ghosted to a clean state after each student left the station. I don't know what they do now, that was quite a few years ago and about the best solution available outside of the zip drive at the time.

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    17. Re:Zip Drive? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      " It was the ludicrous price of the media. Sure the cost per megabyte was relatively low but now that you've got 100MB on a single disc, if that disc craps out you've just blown $20. And crap out they did."

      Hehe. Anybody else remember Iomega adverts in magazines comparing Zip discs to CD-Rs, claiming theirs was more reliable? All I could think was: "Okay, let's do a live drop-test."

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    18. Re:Zip Drive? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The 'Clik!' product name had incredibly unfortunate connotations that Iomega had to have understoood, considering the 'click of death phenomna.'

  6. PC Jr. was bad but... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But the "chiclet" keyboard should've been listed separately. When I saw the new MacBook laptops having a similiar design, I freaked out until I tried it out at the Apple store. You can count on Steve Jobs to re-invent an old technology dog.

    1. Re:PC Jr. was bad but... by random_amber · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I personally loved my PCjr. It was my first computer and I waited anxiously for months on preorder for it! The keyboard actually didn't bother me at all, since half the computers we had had at school were Sinclair 1000s (and a fancier Sinclair, which also had a strange keyboard, though not as awful as the flat laminated Sinclair 1000 style).

      It also had more colors and a much better sound chip than the regular PC.

      IBM replaced the chicklet keyboard for free within 6 months or so with a regular one. and dont forget they were wireless keyboards! Pretty cool for 1984!

      Over all, my PCjr was a joy, and I loved it up until I got my Apple ][GS (which I loved, but a lot of others hated as well)

      Random_Amber

  7. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're just saying that because I signed up with AOL under you, and you got 10 free hours.

  8. Packard Bell by CPIMatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am surprised that Packard Bell didn't make the list. They made some pretty crappy computers in the late 80s.

    -Matt

    1. Re:Packard Bell by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      It's quite funny that my longest-lived PC was a packard bell pentium 166. Ran for 10 years until I ran out of excuses to keep such an old machine sucking juice.

      All I had to do was replace the fan once, and replace the memory when it was new. (grr)

      The service sucked, the machines were subpar in general, but this one was like the gremlin that hit a million miles.

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    2. Re:Packard Bell by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I am surprised that Packard Bell didn't make the list. They made some pretty crappy computers in the late 80s.

      Packard Bell had their faults... but the price was right and most still continue to work today. They always had drivers on the website and good documentation. If all you needed was MS Word, Packard Bell did the job perfectly well. Upgrading was the pits even the time period. Now if you were to say Tri-Gem they were the pits. These suckers were sold at places like "GoodGuys" and other misc general electronics retailers. They were the lowest cost PC they had and salesmen got a $100 bonus for selling one. Something always failed from keyboard controler (no not just the fuse), floppy controler, you name it. Packard bell may have used some cheap obscure parts but tri-gem was just cheap crap. They later formed a joint project with KDS (Korean Data Systems) known as Emachine. You might see a packard bell still in service today putting away on windows 3.1 or 95/98. Trigems stopped putting faster than yugos.

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    3. Re:Packard Bell by gerrysteele · · Score: 1
      And they still are terrible. Compared to the other similar PCs they use cheap crappy components.

      But i recently attacked my 9 year old one with a hammer because i needed the cd drive for another computer.

      It's dead now. And whilst it was crap. And whilst it was a rip off. And the warrenty my parents paid for cost more than the computer, it really didn't ever break down.

      Reliable piece of shit.

    4. Re:Packard Bell by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      I am surprised that Packard Bell didn't make the list. They made some pretty crappy computers in the late 80s.

      It didn't make it since the entire "list of 25 worst tech product" is just a random description of various products the author was mildly or moderately annoyed with.

      The products in there are far from the worst product (let alone with worst impact), neither are they even in a correct order.

      All that counts is the banner ad impressions... and they needed a catchy title.

    5. Re:Packard Bell by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      I have two memories of significant packard hell moments. The first was trying to help a friend upgrade one he had, NOTHING was standard sized (except the isa slots, though they were spaced a bit off) in an attempt to force you to go through them and only them.
          The other is eigther good or bad or both depending on point of view.
          I had a 14" monitor of thiers that was a few years past it's prime. I was online at the time chatting to someone on irc when I herd this odd noise comming from behind the monitor. The image was normal so I didn't suspect the noise as being related to the monitor. After a few seconds it was anoying me enough over the sound of the box fan in the room I excused myself online and walked around to where the noise seemed to be comming from. There were visible FLAMES inside the monitor, I quickly pulled the plug on it and blind typed "gotto go, monitors is on fire" before shutting down the rest of the system.
          Inspection showed the sodder joint where power cable was attached inside to be the center of the burn on the heavy pcb, no components were aparently close enough to be damaged durring the ten to twenty seconds this all took (from when I first heard the noise).

      Mycroft

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    6. Re:Packard Bell by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I knew lots of people who bought a Packard Bell computer. I knew no one that bought a second one. I remember mine, a 486SX2-50 (the only place I have seen this oddball chip), with no L2 cache, a motherboard with a built in 2400baud modem and 4MB of ram directly soldered onto it. I remember it was really hard to upgrade and work with - finding compatible SIMMs for it were tough due do to them having to work with built in memory. I did manage to overclock it to a 486SX2-66 with no real loss in reliability though.

      It also amuses me that the crappy Packard Bell monitor that came with it was being rebranded as an Apple monitor at the time, only with a higher price tag and several of the adjustment knobs removed.

  9. what about..., by madnuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Apple laptop that boasted about its internal wirless card but was made of titanium and so there was no signal?

    1. Re:what about..., by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

      Seems like there's an "ethnic submarine" joke in there somewhere.

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    2. Re:what about..., by kehren77 · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and laugh. One of those is my work machine.

  10. Omnireader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The Omnireader OCR. An early OCR scanner that read one line at a time, manually operated.

  11. OQO by iPodUser · · Score: 0

    I don't think that the OqO should be rated so poorly, there were lots of products that were not so great the first time around, but got better in subsequent versions. It's far from the only portable computer that runs way too hot.

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    1. Re:OQO by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would say that the (seemingly) years of hype and vapor leading up to the release of such a so-so product is what clinched it's spot.

      Kind of like your first sexual experience...oh, sorry, this is slashdot...well, let me just say - don't set your expectations too high.

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    2. Re:OQO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>>Kind of like your first sexual experience...oh, sorry, this is slashdot...

      I think you mean *her* first sexual experience...

  12. #1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Lotus Notes has got to have a place on that list -- hell, it should be on the list of The 1 Worst Tech Product Of All Time. And if you weight items by the number of people forced to use them, it'd be even more dominant.

    Microsoft Bob continues to take a beating that I think is unfair. (I wonder how many of the people who talk about it have ever seen it.) It was pretty useless, true, but it was also an attempt to be genuinely innovative, and deserves credit for failing while trying to do something really new.

    1. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by Ekarderif · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nintendo Visual Boy was also trying something new. It also sucked big time. About as much fun as sticking lasers in your eyeballs.

    2. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by Knuckles · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's currently only #3, vote for it!. Peregrine deserves #1 though.

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    3. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by doublem · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean Blotus Goats?

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    4. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by Otter · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Lotus Notes, I only just got around to reading yesterday's Daily WTF...

    5. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by treeves · · Score: 1

      I'll vote for it. Clippy also deserves its own entry - not just mention in the Microsoft Bob entry. I guess the fact that you can turn it off makes it less heinous. I wish I could "turn Lotus Notes off". I'm one of those forced to use it. Since I work for an transnational company, I wonder if the Geneva Convention applies?

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    6. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by fatphil · · Score: 1

      "Scrotes", we used to call it (UK)

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    7. Re:#1) Lotus #2) freaking #3) Notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To say that Lotus Notes is one of the worst tech products you would have to say which version(s) you mean. The first versions were truly innovative. However, newer versions made it increasingly difficult to build usable databases, and they never fixed a few quirks that were acceptable in early versions.

      Even today I think things like the security and certificate handling is ok, but that is of little consolation when users don't want to use the product.

  13. Wholeheartedly agreed by gid13 · · Score: 1

    AOL, Realplayer, WinME... These people know what they're talking about.

    1. Re:Wholeheartedly agreed by Amouth · · Score: 1

      for once i agree with an artical like this.. some of them (the zip drive) i didn't think should be up there yea it clicked but that was over all rare..

      funny thing is half of the artical i didnt' read because i saw the name and was like yeap..

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  15. You guys are slacking by RapmasterT · · Score: 5, Funny
    You get lobbed a Slashdot softball like this, and it takes until the SECOND post to suggest that every Windows version belonged on the list?

    Soon MS bashing will be 3rd or 4th post on every thread...then where will Slashdot be?

    1. Re:You guys are slacking by beaverfever · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You must understand; times change.

      Micro$oft didn't make it until the second post, but DRM is at #1, right where it belongs.

      Welcome to the new Slashdot, full of readers who (supposedly) make their living by using their heads and coming up with creative ideas (writing software, for example, or coming up with an idea for new software, for another example), yet resent any suggestion that creative ideas are not free for everyone to use and share as they see fit. ...but then also resent the idea of hiring someone in India to write software, because everyone knows that US programmers are better and deserve their higher salaries... but just don't attempt to do anything to stop the piracy which affects software company's bottom line and their ability to pay American programmers...

      It's a beautiful circle, like a serpent eating its tail :)

    2. Re:You guys are slacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soon MS bashing will be 3rd or 4th post on every thread...then where will Slashdot be?

      Fifth?

    3. Re:You guys are slacking by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Let's be serious for a moment. Windows 3.11 wasn't that bad. It was so irrelevant that nobody ever used it and it took up space on the hard drive, okay. But it came with MemMaker. You could ask MemMaker to optimize your start files and then laugh at the pathetic job it did. Those were the days...

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    4. Re:You guys are slacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First?

  16. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by jomegat · · Score: 5, Informative

    I always look for the "Printer Friendly" link when I run into an article like that. It generally renders the whole article as one continuous chunk, but it doesn't print it. That's a tip kids. Write it down.

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  17. of ALL TIME? by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pretty myopic and self flattering of this age - I could pick up a 1950's copy of Popular Mechanics and find lots of stupendous techno-flops. One that comes to mind is a TV set with a built in 35mm slide viewer. You guys have no idea.

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    1. Re:of ALL TIME? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One that comes to mind is a TV set with a built in 35mm slide viewer.

      Quote prophetic really. My TV takes memory cards from cameras for slideshow viewing.

    2. Re:of ALL TIME? by Itninja · · Score: 1
      I could pick up a 1950's copy of Popular Mechanics

      I think they are kind of thinking of stuff invented after the microprocessor was in use. I mean, the rotary phone is kind of bonehead idea now, but back in the 1950's it was about the best the average Joe could hope for.
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    3. Re:of ALL TIME? by Deinhard · · Score: 1

      I'll see your rotary phone and raise you the fake rotary phone with touchtone buttons where the holes are supposed to be. Talk about completely and utterly useless.

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    4. Re:of ALL TIME? by Itninja · · Score: 1

      Dude! I use to have one of those! It was so totally 80's! Totally.

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    5. Re:of ALL TIME? by Onan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pff, that's not nearly as silly as the converse. I once had a phone with a standard grid keypad that used pulse dialing. So you could dial much more quickly than with a rotary phone, and be rewarded with sitting and listening to clicking for fifteen seconds while it translated the number into pulses.

      I guess it was that phone that taught me how to dial by hand with the cradle switch, so it did have some redeeming value. But it didn't make it any less silly.

    6. Re:of ALL TIME? by Deinhard · · Score: 1

      To be fair, many of the phone systems of the 80s couldn't handle touchtone dialing. My parent's phone had to use an adapter to plug the RJ-11 into the old style, four prong jack. IIRC, it wasn't until the late 80s that they could get tone service, and they are 15 miles south of a major metro area. They still use the same phone with a Tone/Pulse switch.

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    7. Re:of ALL TIME? by ksp · · Score: 1

      When your local phone switch upgraded to DTMF, you could usually open the phone and jumper it from pulse to tone. Cradle dialling was fun for me too, and probably still works most places, but I ended up with lots of misdialled numbers.

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    8. Re:of ALL TIME? by honkycat · · Score: 1

      Are you sure there wasn't a switch on the back to toggle between tone and pulse dialing? Before tone dialing was rolled out everywhere (and when support often cost extra), this was a very common feature on push-button phones.

    9. Re:of ALL TIME? by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      Actually there were plenty of 'all time' boneheaded ideas, not just those *obsoleted* by modern technology. Another one, of the zillions, I remember was a car with headlights that move when you turn the steering wheel. Or flywheel powered cars. In the micro-age, there's Quadraphonic (four channel) Sound, a much ballyhoo'd flop. Bubble memory, APL, magazine printable software distribution - the list goes on.

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    10. Re:of ALL TIME? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      For a long time touch-tone was an extra cost option. I saved about $2 a month (IIRC) by using a keypad pulse dialler for 5 years.

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    11. Re:of ALL TIME? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2, Insightful
      One that comes to mind is a TV set with a built in 35mm slide viewer.

      I think the in-car phonograph beats that.

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    12. Re:of ALL TIME? by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I don't see how they can claim "... Of All Time" for this article; of the last 15 years maybe. And, I could go back way further than the 1950s for techno blunders of all time. Let's look at some of Da Vinci's work, Ptolemy, and then some of the outrageous things that came out of the 17th and 18th century. There were some obvious triumphs during those times, i.e., the reflecting telescope of Newton, the bicycle, etc., but there were far more laughable items to point out. Oh, and if you want to crank the nob on the WABAC machine a bit harder, we can look at the failed pyramid designs predating Zoser and the ziggurats of the Sumarians. Failed irrigation strategies of early Mesopotamian farmers, and the countless attempts at human flight that dot the annals of history.

    13. Re:of ALL TIME? by Ertman · · Score: 1

      The 3 pound stylus arm keeps it from skipping!

    14. Re:of ALL TIME? by ischorr · · Score: 1

      Yes, this seems to be a "worst of the last decade list", only 3 of the list were made as far back as the distant 80s. Was there a dramatic rise in the number of crappy products in the 90s and 2000s? Or were the authors all just born in the Reagan era and forgot that other things happened before then?

    15. Re:of ALL TIME? by westlake · · Score: 1
      One that comes to mind is a TV set with a built in 35mm slide viewer.

      Flying-Spot scanner, color video. Mid to late sixties, no earlier. The appeal is obvious to anyone who has ever had to set up a Kodak projector and screen.

    16. Re:of ALL TIME? by westlake · · Score: 1
      of the zillions, I remember was a car with headlights that move when you turn the steering wheel. Or flywheel powered cars. In the micro-age, there's Quadraphonic (four channel) Sound, a much ballyhoo'd flop. Bubble memory, APL, magazine printable software distribution - the list goes on.

      These "failures" often have a second life. 7.1 theater surround sound, for example.

    17. Re:of ALL TIME? by treeves · · Score: 1

      Seems rather computer-centric to me, too, but that could be result of the recent-centric bias. OTOH, there have been some pretty bad non-computer technological products in the last thirty years. How about those passive seat belts that strap you in automatically when you shut the car door, offering to potentially decapitate you? (OK, not really, but they are annoying.

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    18. Re:of ALL TIME? by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      This was a conversation between me and a coworker after he had read about some cool new idea that was making somebody rich....

      Coworker: Damn. Why can't I come up with an idea like that?
      Me: Like what?
      Coworker: This kid just came up with a cool new idea and he's making serious cash off it.
      Me: Well, you know good ideas are like bars of gold buried in a steaming pool of shit.
      Coworker (incredulously): What, eventually the gold floats to the top?
      Me: No. Eventually someone is stupid enough to dive in and find it. And when they do, everyone else stands there saying, "Damn, now why didn't I think of that?".

      ~X~

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    19. Re:of ALL TIME? by BeerCat · · Score: 1

      Actually there were plenty of 'all time' boneheaded ideas, not just those *obsoleted* by modern technology. Another one, of the zillions, I remember was a car with headlights that move when you turn the steering wheel.

      Although pioneered by Citroen in the late 1960s with the DS, it is making a comeback. A quick google brought up a Lexus that has them, while I think even Ford (at least in Europe) is toying with the idea.


      Bubble memory

      Not exactly. The APTIS ticket issuing system (featuring 1Mb bubble memory), introduced 1982, is still in use today in many UK stations. So not exactly "obsoleted" technology. Just Old. Very Old.

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    20. Re:of ALL TIME? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Back in the monopoly days, AT&T charged extra for touch tone dial capability. So the pulse switch allowed you to save some $$ on your phone bill.

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    21. Re:of ALL TIME? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The magazine is titled "PC World".

    22. Re:of ALL TIME? by k98sven · · Score: 1

      I think they are kind of thinking of stuff invented after the microprocessor was in use. I mean, the rotary phone is kind of bonehead idea now, but back in the 1950's it was about the best the average Joe could hope for.

      Ah, but they're not even that good. See for instance the inclusion of the Apple Portable, which they lambast for being big and not-so-portable. Well, if you compare that machine to any other "portable" from 1989 (or the Apple Lisa for that matter) it doesn't look much like a flop at all.

      As for 50's stuff.. How about "Find Uranium! Build your very own uranium detector with this practical kit!" To paraphrase an ad I saw in a 50's popular mechanics or similar. Let's see.. So that assumes 1) You can easily find uranium with a geiger counter.. Yeah right. and 2) People are interested in finding uranium. Um, not very..

      And that doesn't even include totally insane stuff like the X-ray tubes they were selling in the 20's as on the idea that radiation exposure would "invigorate" you.

    23. Re:of ALL TIME? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      One that comes to mind is a TV set with a built in 35mm slide viewer.

      If it works, sounds like a good idea to me. The alternative is to put up a clumsy projector screen and set up the projector. If you can plug-and-play your slides on the TV, that would be great for 50's era. Remember what you are comparing it to.

    24. Re:of ALL TIME? by kamapuaa · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Tucker cars from the late 40s had headlights that move when you turn the stearing wheel.

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    25. Re:of ALL TIME? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "So you could dial much more quickly than with a rotary phone, and be rewarded with sitting and listening to clicking for fifteen seconds while it translated the number into pulses."

      Heh. I know it sounds silly, but there's a reason those phones could do that. Not all phone lines could handle touch tone dialing. I lived in one of those places. You could plug a TT phone in, you could dial, but it'd never connect. Honestly, I don't understand what the specific problem was that caused this, but the fact that those phones had that switch meant that we could use a modern (at the time) phone.

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    26. Re:of ALL TIME? by treeves · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah.

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    27. Re:of ALL TIME? by RailRide · · Score: 1
      Heh. I know it sounds silly, but there's a reason those phones could do that. Not all phone lines could handle touch tone dialing. I lived in one of those places. You could plug a TT phone in, you could dial, but it'd never connect. Honestly, I don't understand what the specific problem was that caused this, but the fact that those phones had that switch meant that we could use a modern (at the time) phone.

      I remember years ago having one of those phones on a rotary-dial line. We would use the tone/pulse switch whenever we had to call someone's pager, dialing with pulse dial, then switching to tone to enter the callback number. When Touch-Tone was extended to all customers, we weren't aware of the switch. One of my brother's friends used the switch to call a beeper, and forgot to switch it back. When I made the next call on the phone, it wasn't until the call connected in record time that I realized what had happened and I was like "Holy Cow! We can dial TONE now!"

      Ironically, years later I landed a job with one of the Baby Bells, and even today as a central office tech, I still see occasional POTS wire records that specify rotary service in a seldom-used data field. But it's been years since I last had to switch my test set to pulse dial to check a dial tone.

      In a similar vein, when my local switch was cut over to a digital one, I didn't realize the changeover had been made till I noticed that the by-then familiar "Ka-TINK?" sound that preceded the other phone's ringing was missing.

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    28. Re:of ALL TIME? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I *LIKE* my rotary phone. It looks really cool and sounds as good as any phone I've ever owned. I also get the warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that I'm sticking it to telecom by requiring them to keep legacy equipment around. :P

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  19. X10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you mean the wireless video maker? If so, they're actually great for the extremely low price. We still use them in our store after 5 years.

  20. What about CGA monitors? by Itninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was tired of the old amber screen too, but CGA was just not what I thought of when I thought of a "color monitor"

    I mean look at this crap.

    I grew up playing King's Quest and think he was just sunburned, or embarrased all the time.

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    1. Re:What about CGA monitors? by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      Oh come on...it's better than monochrome! Look at the bright vibrant colors. With Monochrome you wouldn't even be able to tell who your character was vs. the tree!

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    2. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Andrew_T366 · · Score: 1

      At least the mushy blurriness of CGA monitors helped somewhat to disguise the jaggedness of the 320x200 or 640x200 resolutions. :-)

    3. Re:What about CGA monitors? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      It's strange, the c64 had 4 bit color and 320x200 graphics too and it looked much better.

      EGA, now that's just cool.

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    4. Re:What about CGA monitors? by hurfy · · Score: 1

      wow, good call.

      Yup, CGA should have made it somewhere. Never actually had a CGA monitor, it looked just as good emulated to monochrome :( Gee i wish i could still trade half my screen resolution for a couple more colors..not :)

    5. Re:What about CGA monitors? by random_amber · · Score: 1

      *cough* the PCjr had 16 colors, and of all the original versions of King's Quest it by far looked AND sounded the best on a PCjr. Sorry you played on a computer that did not make the the Worst List (and which had a much better graphics chip than yours).

      Random_Amber

    6. Re:What about CGA monitors? by nuzak · · Score: 1

      What annoys me is that remakes of retro games like Ultima III almost invariably do the crummy CGA version. Not only lousy colors, but none of that cool music.

      Incidentally, the music to Ultima III is one of the ultimate tests of SID emulation in any C64 emulator. I've not heard a single one get it just right, especially the "spooky" dungeon music. I'm pretty sure that the spell casting effect of inverting the video that caused a mild screeching sound was actually a deliberate sound effect. Certainly doesn't happen on modern hardware.

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    7. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Bishop · · Score: 1

      That is because at 320×200 CGA only had 4 colours. Not 4 bit, only 4 seperate colours. Worst, there were only two pallets to choose from in 320x200 mode.

    8. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason is simple: CGA has 4 colors, not 4-bit color (except for textmode). And not just that but the colors are fixed and badly chosen.

    9. Re:What about CGA monitors? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      You're right!

      160x100 to get 16 colors?!? That's worse than a vic-20!

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    10. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first monitor was EGA. Now that was a 'color' monitor! oh the happy days...

    11. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even that is a textmode hack rather than a real screenmode. You use only vertical bar characters and set character height to 2.

    12. Re:What about CGA monitors? by BobNET · · Score: 1

      And don't forget the Tandy 1000 series (at least the earliest models in it). Same video modes and sound chip as the PCjr, but a faster processor, nicer keyboard, and DMA for floppy access...

    13. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's strange, the c64 had 4 bit color and 320x200 graphics too and it looked much better.

      The C64 had 16 colours: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64#Graphics_and_soun d

    14. Re:What about CGA monitors? by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I always looked at CGA graphics as "this is PC. This is heavy-duty gaming." kind of thing.

      Just one look at CGA graphics gives me the feeling "beyond that point lie adventures much greater than in my C64, it's just that they are in four awful colours, but who cares?"

      I mean, you could just look the games on PC and say they were much bigger than the C64 games. They obviously didn't care about graphics, they had hard disks so they could make HUGE games and whatnot. =)

    15. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Anarkhia · · Score: 1

      Yes, and how many different colours can you represent with 4 bits?

    16. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and how many different colours can you represent with 4 bits?

      Oops. I must have thought I read "4 colours" somehow.

      Moving along.... :) If you're interested in the C64 and it's graphical abilities, you may wanna check out this:
      http://www.studiostyle.sk/dmagic/gallery/gfxmodes. htm

    17. Re:What about CGA monitors? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      The days between EGA and Enhanced EGA severely limited the utility of an EGA card for me. My carc could handle the higher video modes, but my monitor would cry like a little girl.

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  21. Apple puck mouse by tsa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahh, the Apple puck mouse. What a pity it didn't make the top 25. I used one for a day. Instant RSI that thing will give you. Kudos to the person who designed that; you have to be really good to design a mouse that is SO bad.

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    1. Re:Apple puck mouse by bob122989 · · Score: 1

      This i have never understood, and maybe its just the fanboi in me, but i am using a puck mouse right this moment, and will for as long as this computer lives. Obviously there being no dent it is impossible to tell where the button is, but that was fixed, and if it were laser (instead of ball) i would use it instead of the long laser ones i use at work.

      I do in fact enjoy the mighty mouse, so, if i was to move on i would go from puck to it.

    2. Re:Apple puck mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with the puck mouse is people try to hold it like a normal mouse. As you've already noted, you cannot do that. I've found the best way to hold one is to purse your hand as if you will pick up a baseball, and put your hand directly on the mouse. It seems awkward at first, but I've used those mice for hours at a time with no pain. Compared to my usual Logitech "rest your wrist directly on the desk" mouse, this ain't so bad. YMMV.

    3. Re:Apple puck mouse by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 1

      The only thing good I can say about the puck was that it taught me how to mouse left handed. Mainly due to the intense pain caused when using my dominant mouse hand.

      Thank you puck mouse!

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    4. Re:Apple puck mouse by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 1

      Yup, that would have been in my Top 10, too. No, make that my Top 3!

      I definitely am what you could call an "Apple-Fanperson"... but that stupid Puck-Mouse nearly made me fall from Grace.

      The pure f*ing hybris to take an already outdated concept (1-Button-Mouse) and proudly make it even worse... and I was (at that time) working with a lot of children and computer-illiterate persons... no-one "got" the "Puck".

      Thank (Deity of your choice) the blasted "Puck" came at a time, when we could easily substitute it for any other (sane) USB-Mouse, but still... whatever Mr. Jobs and Mr. Ives were smoking when they decided on the "Puck"... I hope I'll never come across any of it.

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    5. Re:Apple puck mouse by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Almost as bad as the 'unfortunate' design of the Microsoft mouse range by s+ark or whatever his name is.

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    6. Re:Apple puck mouse by Toveling · · Score: 1

      Even the current mice Apple makes do the same thing. I'm damn near ready to throw my Mighty Mouse out and get a *gasp* MS wireless explorer. They are actually ergonomic, and while they might not work with both hands (or look nice at all), they contour your hand and don't make it feel like death after a few hours of internet browsing.

    7. Re:Apple puck mouse by tsa · · Score: 1

      Instead of *gasp* MS hardware you can buy Logitech. They make nice mice too.

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    8. Re:Apple puck mouse by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      If you popped off the plastic color panels on the right and left side, it became a useable mouse.

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  22. Number one on my list... by kcbrown · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Windows.

    The reason? It has trained at least one, and probably two, generations of computer users to expect the computer to be fragile. It has made those people afraid to simply experiment with the computer because they might do something to "break" it.

    This is a big reason there are so many people who don't want to learn how the computer works. By training at least one generation of people that computers are fragile, Microsoft has in a single stroke managed to limit people's willingness to learn about the computer they use every day, and thus limited their effectiveness with it.

    That Microsoft also tends to (or has tended to) write their software in such a way as to hide the details of errors that occur only exacerbates the problem. And the constant stream of critical security flaws only serves to hammer in the final nail in the coffin.

    Hence, I have to nominate Windows as the worst tech product of all time.

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    1. Re:Number one on my list... by Nightspirit · · Score: 1

      If we didn't have windows we would likely still be paying 2k for a decent machine*. And not like anything below OS X was any better. I still have nightmares of mac error popup screens.

      Linux is nearly usable for the mass market now; much less 10 years ago.

      * We would be left with apple and *nix vararies, and face it, much of the world isn't ready for linux yet (I still can't get linux to work on my laptop properly), and without competition macs would be even more expensive.

    2. Re:Number one on my list... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, the MacOS pre-OS X was pretty unstable, but it was almost always more stable than whatever the current shipping version of Windows was.

      More to the point, in the absence of Windows, we might well have a whole bunch of computer makers still duking it out. It seems people have forgotten what an explosion of PC (in the general sense, I mean) makers there was in the 80's -- more diversity than we've ever seen since. Apple is just the only one that survived the "IBM compatible" onslaught. Imaging what the computing world would be like if DEC, Commodore, Atari, Wang, Tandy, and who knows how many others were still making their own machines. There would be more competition, more pressure for open standards, and better computers at better prices for everyone.

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    3. Re:Number one on my list... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      No, I think the answer is much simpler; if we didn't have Windows, we'd have OS/2 instead. Running WordPerfect maybe. Basically, nothing much would be different. Which is why I question the notion that whoever wins a natural monopoly slot is really "worth" $50 billion to the economy.

    4. Re:Number one on my list... by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Like it or not, and for better or for worse, Windows brought the PC to the masses.

      Now whether or not "the masses" are adequately equipped to experiment with something like Linux is certainly debatable.

      However I'd be willing to bet that a good percentage of Slashdotters owe their livelihoods to Windows in one way or another.

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    5. Re:Number one on my list... by CagedBear · · Score: 1

      It has trained at least one, and probably two, generations of computer users to expect the computer to be fragile.

      At least they used it. For better or worse, it's hard to argue that. Would the PC have enjoyed the same popularity without Windows? Hard to say.

      This is a big reason there are so many people who don't want to learn how the computer works.

      You don't really believe that. List 1 popular consumer product that is more complicated than a coffee cup and used by a majority of people who know how it works.

    6. Re:Number one on my list... by Serapth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact this was modded insightful proves that Slashdot is still driven by pack mentality. Sadly I actually thought things were improving around here recently, but I may have set my hopes a bit too high. Oh well, nobody to blame but myself.

      The reason? It has trained at least one, and probably two, generations of computer users to expect the computer to be fragile. It has made those people afraid to simply experiment with the computer because they might do something to "break" it.

      Havent used too many other operating systems, have you? Im sorry, but compared to the DOS days, even Windows 95 was a godsend. I will say Windows 3 and 3.1 were nothing special, but frankly it was still easier to nuke a DOS install in those days. Plus, they actually moved away from having to have a stack of floppies lying around to boot in order to make your system actually run your software. Worse still, my first computer ( An Atari 800 XL ) had a button that was pretty much the equivalent of format my machine down the left hand side. If anything 95 improved "fragility" and every version since ( minus ME, ME was trash ) has improved this greatly. Hell, ive accidently blown away more Linux installs then Windows over the years... you know, doing shit like recompiling the kernal to get my friggin hardware to work!

      This is a big reason there are so many people who don't want to learn how the computer works. By training at least one generation of people that computers are fragile, Microsoft has in a single stroke managed to limit people's willingness to learn about the computer they use every day, and thus limited their effectiveness with it.

      Yeah, im sure thats the reason. Not because most people look at a computer as a tool. I mean, everyone that drives a car knows how to fix their transmission... right? Right? You know what, with a manual transmission, its extremely easy to blow a clutch, but strangely many people are still happy to drive them without knowing how to make that fix.

      That Microsoft also tends to (or has tended to) write their software in such a way as to hide the details of errors that occur only exacerbates the problem. And the constant stream of critical security flaws only serves to hammer in the final nail in the coffin.

      Yes... because every user wants to see stack dumps and memory traces when something goes wrong. I mean like when linux crashes and I get the error message - Seg Fault. I mean, thanks to that unhidden error, phew... I know exactly whats going on! As to "constant stream of security flaws"... do you remember any in the pre-Internet days of Windows? Oddly I cant. The holes come from security having not been a huge focus when the core OS was designed, and frankly at the time for a consumer OS, that made alot of sense. 12 years ago could you have imagined spyware, malware, trojans and internet worms?

    7. Re:Number one on my list... by drew · · Score: 1

      While I would agree with you that Microsoft has trained its users to expect computers to be fragile, I highly doubt that fear is why most users dont experiment more with their computers.

      The mindset of the tinkerer who will poke around at something, anything, just for the sake of figuring out every detail of how it works is rare in general, not just when it comes to computers. How many people tinker with their cars constantly to get the performance just right? How many even know how an internal combustion engine actually works? (hint: a lot less than you probably think). There are a few, but the vast majority just want to get in and drive. Its not because they are afraid to tinker with their car, its because they just dont care.

      It is certainly unforunate that so many people expect their computers to be so fragile, and I believe that Microsoft does indeed deserve a lot of the blame for that (followed by Symantec/Norton), but I can pretty much guarantee you that even if everyone used a rock solid software setup from top to bottom, the number of people who spend any meaningful time experimenting with their computer would not change. one. single. bit.

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    8. Re:Number one on my list... by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I love to Windows bash as much as the next person, but I can't accept this one. The main reason I stayed away from Apple for so long was because the only experience I had with them made me believe that they were extremely fragile, crash-prone piles of junk.*

      I grew up in the age that all computers in public schools were Apples. Every time I had to use one of them, it would undoubtedly include 5 minutes of the program crashing and the teacher having to restart the thing. If you hadn't just turned the computer on before you started your application, the app was guaranteed to fail. Meanwhile I had a Gateway at home that I could use without issue... at least more often than the school machines.

      So, I'd suggest modifying your statement to Windows/MacOS caused people to fear breaking their computers. Or maybe even "most electronics producers of the 80s and 90s", as I can definitely recall VCRs, tape players, cordless phones, and all the rest that instilled a deep fear in many people that they could break their devices without even trying.

      *I have finally gone to Mac OSX now, and it's worlds better than it used to be. It's not perfect, but you can tell some developers have a general idea of where they're going now.

    9. Re:Number one on my list... by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >Linux is nearly usable for the mass market now; much less 10 years ago.

      What Linux is today is obscenely better than the mass market stuff of 10 years ago.
      That doesn't mean to suggest that it's ten years behind anything, either. Linux is close on the heels of the mainstream stuff, and in many areas, passed it a long time ago.

      I don't know what the "nearly usable" actuall refers to, as I sit here, happily using my Linux box. Yeah, sometimes I boot to Windows. When I'm too lazy to figure out a video codec, or when I need to run a certain teleconference app that is choppy in VMware.
      That's about it. I have an Audio recording and Synth workstation that's Windows XP, because my applications there are Windows-only, but I'd hardly call that "mainstream."

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    10. Re:Number one on my list... by gnuyarlathotep · · Score: 1

      You don't really believe that. List 1 popular consumer product that is more complicated than a coffee cup and used by a majority of people who know how it works.

      A pepper mill?

      Though I see your point.

    11. Re:Number one on my list... by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 1
      "Sure, the MacOS pre-OS X was pretty unstable, but it was almost always more stable than whatever the current shipping version of Windows was."
      Except for the days of Mac OS System 9 and Win NT 4.x

      I am a "Mac-Person" -- which is to say: I've always liked Apple's GUI (and underlying concepts) more than Windows; however there were times (roughly 1999-2002) when I actually preferred to work on WinNT/2K-Computers to working on Macs. In those times the NT/2K-machines (at least when running Photoshop, Illustrator and AfterEffects (my line of work)) were rock-solid compared to the Macs of that time.

      I'm not disputing your point, just trying to illustrate it.

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    12. Re:Number one on my list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh, heavens, who could possibly have guessed that Apple would be singled out for creating software that allows non-nerds to use a computer?
      Fixed that misspelling for you.

      Microsoft succeeded in the business environment, with DOS. It was a long, long time before their "non-nerd" offerings came close enough to Apple's to completely supplant them in the consumer/education markets. I'd argue it wasn't until 1997 or so.
    13. Re:Number one on my list... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, you're certainly comparing a whole fruit basket if you take "Windows" to be one product. Curiously enough I think they managed to release their best (Win2000) and worst (WinME) product at almost the same time, so even if you tried to take an average it would be rather wierd.

      Windows didn't make users fragile - those that aren't interested in computers are fragile users. My mom is lost if her shortcut goes anywhere, and she can just as easily delete it in Linux as in Windows. Linux user security doesn't stop you from messing up your own account pretty bad, and if you're your own admin...

      It's not primarily Windows, it's interest and it's clue. You're mixing cause and effect - those who run Linux would also be Windows powerusers. A newbie trying to manage his own Linux box could break it almost as easily as a Windows box, that is if he ever got it working well in the first place. Of course, some consider that learning process a feature, not a bug. The user will call it "wasted time" at least.

      As for error messages - in my experience, Linux software has the habit of spitting out some sort of technical data which is completely useless to anyone but the developers. Very nice if you want to file a bug, does it help the user then and there? Nah.

      As for security: I agree. But, there's been a while since Slammer, Blaster, ILoveYou and whatever. They show up, get fixed, but when it comes down to it... what are the infection numbers? Most people willingly infect themselves with all sorts of crapware instead, something they'd do in Linux too. That is, if they could manage to install an application from anywhere but the distro repository. Then again, many consider the difficulty of installing apps from anywhere else a feature, not a bug. That's great if you think everything should be OSS, really lousy if you want to have commercial apps (which naturally won't be up for free distribution at distro repositories).

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    14. Re:Number one on my list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had exactly the opposite experience, but again that proves nothing.

      Windows NT4 was pretty crash-prone for me, while OS 8.6 and OS 9 were pretty solid. If I didn't know better, you'd have a tough time convincing me that NT had protected memory and 8.6 didn't.

      Win2K was better, but for a long time I had 2K and 9.2 side-by-side on my desk, and never noticed much difference. I did text/HTML editing on the PC, and video editing on the Mac. I'd give the edge to 2K, but the point was practically academic in practice.

    15. Re:Number one on my list... by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 1
      "Windows NT4 was pretty crash-prone for me, while OS 8.6 and OS 9 were pretty solid.
      Hmmm... of course I enjoyed (at that time) a perfectly administered WinNT-System (fine-tuned to this particular Hardware ("Yellow-Heat" 400MHz-dual-Proc-Boxen with extremely expensive Video Cards (uncompressed Video-In-Out on striped disks as far as I remember) (and the Admin was some kind of a Demi-God -- and a nice guy, too). My Macs (perfectly administered and set up, too) at that time of course couldn't nearly match the PCs regarding Video-In-Out, but where I could seriously compare them was the performance (or rather: stability) during extensive Photoshop/Illustrator-sessions and AfterEffects jobs over many hours (or even days) (i.e.: anything, that was not real-time). I used to clobber those machines with all kinds of extensive graphic jobs... sadly it definitely was the Macs that (on average) would die (freeze) first.

      Luckily that's all water under the bridge... I'm back to the Mac almost 100% (since Mac OS X 10.3 and Adobe CS) ;)
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    16. Re:Number one on my list... by WPL510 · · Score: 1

      Uh. I beg your pardon? I have a windows machine at home. I can install software, change registry settings, and generally mess around, and it's fine. I have a Linux machine at work (Fedora). And if I wanted to change the appearance of the mouse pointer or the time on the clock, I would need to walk down the hall and get the network admin to log in to my machine with the root password. Root- to adjust the time on the clock. Which philosophy gives the greater appearance that computers are fragile? Linux treats so many everyday tasks as privileged that users are often allocated almost no powers by default (and please don't tell me that the color of my mouse pointer is an invitation to have my computer broken into. I'll ignore you). With windows, I at least can experiment and mess it up if I want to, and reinstalling isn't a total nightmare. I'm not an MS fan, but credit where credit is due.

    17. Re:Number one on my list... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't for Windows, most people wouldn't have computers at all. Apple weren't, and still aren't, and never will be interested in anything below the niche yuppie market.

      Linux would be nowhere if they didn't have Windows to copy, and it's not like Linux encourages you to learn about your computer, with it being so easy to destroy things as root, and so hard to configure anything without root.

    18. Re:Number one on my list... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Root- to adjust the time on the clock.

      If you use WinNT4, Win2K or WinXP you cannot change the clock either if you are a limited user (The name in Win2K and WinNT4 was simply "User"). You would know this if you used your Windows machine as it was intended to be used: with a Limited User account.

      Oh, and frankly... that's completely legit. Only the root/administrator can change anything that is hardware related and that includes the clock. Besides, most operating systems (be it Windows, *BSD or Linux) do automatic NTP synchronization these days.

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    19. Re:Number one on my list... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Sure, the MacOS pre-OS X was pretty unstable, but it was almost always more stable than whatever the current shipping version of Windows was.

      I had the opposite experience. I could usually get a week out of Windows 95b/98SE (the two versions I used the most) before I was either forced to reboot it, or it bluescreened/froze up. Often I could get 2-3 weeks out of Windows back then before a restart.

      On the other hand, it was a miracle if the Apple Performas would last a day. Usually their uptime was measured in hours.

      And don't forget Windows 2000. At the time Windows 2000 was released, nothing Apple had even came close.

  23. AOL? Come on, it's all about your target market. by TheDarkener · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, AOL shouldn't be #1... They just got in really good with the 90% of non-tech savy Internet users from the beginning, and gave them a nice little interface to the Internet, making it easier for them to move around.

    Doesn't matter if it costs 2x as much as any other ISP, or that the interface is so kludgy that you need to upgrade your video card, or that they censor the Internet to conform to it's mass majority of users' tastes, or that the "You've got mail" sound that hasn't changed...(ever?) makes most people want to wretch all over their keyboards, or that their spyware/virus "protection" is a miserable failure and should be uninstalled, or that their "Here's your 20th CD-ROM this month" ad campaign is probably the worst landfill culprit since the pet rock, or.....

    Yeah, I guess they deserve it. =p

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  24. My list of the 5 Worst Products Ever... by jo42 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    1) SUVs
    2) Minivans
    3) Pickup trucks
    4) Cell phones
    5) iPods

    Guess why...

    1. Re:My list of the 5 Worst Products Ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because you are a communist?

    2. Re:My list of the 5 Worst Products Ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he's a cab driver.

    3. Re:My list of the 5 Worst Products Ever... by atta1 · · Score: 1

      I think I'll step up to guess on this one... You ride a motorcycle. Those things all threaten your life (and mine) on a daily basis.

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    4. Re:My list of the 5 Worst Products Ever... by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1
      3) Pickup trucks

      Thats surely insightful. Can you suggest where I can find a roof rack for a car that will hold 2000lbs of bricks?
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  25. Realplayer by fm6 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I agree with their bashing of Realplayer — except they only criticize its current flaws. They forgot to mention the buggy releases that would grab all available CPU cycles and render the machine unusable. They're also guilty of starting a nasty trend that every other media player feels compelled to follow: using fancy "skins" that make the app look cool, but much harder to use.

  26. Realplayer?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate Realplayer as much as I hate everything else.

    But then, why do you forget that Apple Quicktime has the same habit of installing itself as part of the startup on Windows, and it can not be removed - even if you set the option not to start at the startup of machine.

    Yes, registry hacks work, but then whats the difference between Real and Apple?

    1. Re:Realplayer?? by gid13 · · Score: 1

      Heh, I was not saying anything good about Quicktime, believe me. Shudder.

    2. Re:Realplayer?? by enrgeeman · · Score: 1

      The apple media actually works? real will just sit there buffering for all eternity.

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  27. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I couldn't agree more. Already reading many comments on this article in other locations that are crying foul over AOL. Not that AOL was the best thing since sliced bread. But before other dial up ISPs, they were the only bread in town, unless you logged in to text services or one-at-a-time BBSs. Looking at AOL then, you see where the leap was made from online computing before 1989 and after. Color, pictures, multiuser chat, news, message boards, and email.

    Strange, that's pretty similar to what we have now. If you read what they complain about, it is painfully obvious that the writer is either some 16 year old AOL basher without a clue or worse, an old elitist that wonders, "Didn't we all have private (D)Arpanet connections?"

    Here's their complaints about AOL:

    "How do we loathe AOL? Let us count the ways. Since America Online emerged from the belly of a BBS called Quantum "PC-Link" in 1989, users have suffered through..."

    1. awful software
    2. inaccessible dial-up numbers
    3. rapacious marketing
    4. in-your-face advertising
    5. questionable billing practices
    6. inexcusably poor customer service
    7. enough spam to last a lifetime
    8. more expensive than its major competitors

    "This lethal combination earned the world's biggest ISP the top spot on our list of bottom feeders."

    It goes on to say:

    "AOL succeeded initially by targeting newbies, using brute-force marketing techniques. In the 90s you couldn't open a magazine (PC World included) or your mailbox without an AOL disk falling out of it. This carpet-bombing technique yielded big numbers: At its peak, AOL claimed 34 million subscribers worldwide, though it never revealed how many were just using up their free hours.

            Advertisement (This is an actual paste... sorry, PC world gave me IN-YOUR-FACE advertising.)

    Now, there are some valid arguments. For instance, they are notorious for screwing up your billing and not cancelling accounts properly. On the other hand, this article is targeting the original AOL. In your face advertising? Nobody but geeks knew what the net was in the early 90s. In the 90s, you couldn't exactly download the AOL client (more evidence this guy is 16). But let's go back.

    Awful software: What did you expect, it ran on Windows 3.1. It was probably the only useful thing a home user ever ran on Windows 3.1

    Inaccessible dial-up numbers: I had about 4 numbers locally, and most problems were because I screwed with my modem baud trying to squeeze out top speed.

    Marketing: Back then, you had to convince people that they had a reason to even buy a computer, let alone get online with it.

    Spam: We're placing the blame on AOL for this now?

    Expensive: That's certainly true. I remember a point when they charged over $6 an hour or there abouts. Let's just say that you used your AOL time wisely (downloading all the porn you could within an hour), hehe. Yes, it would be considered highway robbery these days. Then again, so many out there are willing to pay $2 for a tv show (free to watch on your very large TV) to play on a itsy bitsy iPod screen. I'd rather pay $6 an hour for my Internet connection.

    PCWorld probably made hundreds of thousands of dollars from AOL to carry their CDs for them. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

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  28. WinME was secure by OffTheLip · · Score: 0

    Not to troll but WinME was immune to many of the problems which plagued later versions of Windows. Does that not count for anything? Of course, it rarely stayed up long enough to be useful as a bot or much else for that matter...

    1. Re:WinME was secure by Sloan47 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, it was immune because you could never keep the darn thing running. Though there was a bright side... I made quite a bit of money fixing Windows ME machines.

    2. Re:WinME was secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I rememeber ME was no more secure -- you could still log in without knowing the system password and delete the .pwl files. The systems seemed to get infected with Viruses and Spyware just as often as 98SE Systems did.

      It was basically Win98 Release 3, except it was missing a lot of the things (DOS compatibility for 1) I remember that Windows Mode scandisk and defrag would continually reboot, causing problems if you computer shut down improperly. I usually told customers to run them in safe mode.

      It had a few improvements, such as when manually installing a driver you could browse for the files instead of having to type in the exact path, but mostly what it did was start the transition to a shinier, more candy like Interface without really improving stability or useability to any noticable degree.

      98SE was a notable improvement over 98, but ME was just sort of a wank.

  29. winme: not that bad by tbird81 · · Score: 1
    Yes, I know it's a dead-end. I know it's not gonna be the most compatible thing in the world. I know it has buggy shell-extensions that crash.

    But, my parents use Windows ME with no problem at all. They didn't buy it separately or anything, it came preinstalled, and it's actually much better than Windows 98.

    Since i've installed Firefox as default browser, AVG Antivirus and AdAware, there have been no problems at all with spyware, crashes and slow loading times.

    I run Win2000, and consider myself to be very security conscious. (I'll leave the obvious joke-line open.) I'm always up-to-date patchwise, but I've had at least two or three viruses just from being on the net (this was with dialup).

    WinME runs Word, Excel and Firefox, and let that bitch of a Kodak program pull pictures off their camera. It does everything they need to do.

    Would I use it? No. But i'd take it any day over win98 or even winXP!

    Who has actually used it and found it to be shit? It sounds like most people just spread the goss about how crap it is, without actually trying it. I don't advise trying it... but really, give some evidence if you're gonna bitch about the OS.

    1. Re:winme: not that bad by Penguinshit · · Score: 1


      I had an entire office running on it (installed prior to me coming there). It never worked reliabl, and not at all in terms of being a Domain member.

      I couldn't get them onto W2K fast enough. Once that was done, all problems (except the self-inflicted "must have porn email from friends") were solved.

    2. Re:winme: not that bad by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Unlike the article, you got one thing very wrong: it's not "Windows ME," it's "Windows Me." Having done tech support for Win 95, 98, 2k and XP, the one I always hated the most was Me. Win 98 (especially SE) was what 95 would have been if Nanolimp had known in 95 what they'd learned in the next three years. Me was a great big step backwards, taking much of the good things they'd added back out and replacing it with junk that made life harder. Win 98 has, as an example, scanreg, to help keep your registry clean and restore an earlier version at need eaisly and efficiently. It's not in Me. Most of the other new things are just semantic quibbles, such as changing the names of menu items without changing their functunality. It was, and remains, a pain in the fundiment to support, partially because you need to remember a pointlessly different terminology just to be able to tell the users what to click on, and extra steps to do important (to tech support) things like replacing files from the .cab files. Even when it was new, I'd never have reccomended it to anybody, even my worst enemy.

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    3. Re:winme: not that bad by MojoStan · · Score: 1
      But, my parents use Windows ME with no problem at all. They didn't buy it separately or anything, it came preinstalled, and it's actually much better than Windows 98.

      Since i've installed Firefox as default browser, AVG Antivirus and AdAware, there have been no problems at all with spyware, crashes and slow loading times.

      You're not alone. I think the key difference is "it came preinstalled," which means it had probably been thoroughly tested by the computer manufacturer to make sure it (and the drivers) worked reliably with their hardware.

      Upgrading to WinME is risky, though. I'm pretty sure upgraders are the source of most of the legitimate complaints about this maligned OS.

      I have a computer novice friend with WinME preinstalled on a 700MHz Celeron HP Pavilion, upgraded to 192MB RAM. I also installed AVG and Ad-aware (and ZoneAlarm), then set a system restore point. No major problems running MS Office and using broadband internet.

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    4. Re:winme: not that bad by Kluenitou · · Score: 1

      I bought a Dell right around when Windows ME was released and it came bundled with it. It crashed constantly. I was so fed up with it that I downgraded to Win98SE. Still not a great operating system in terms of stability, but my comp was much more stable after the downgrade.

    5. Re:winme: not that bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you run Windows and are proud of it!

      Don't you children have homework to do, comb your hair
      or something? Leave computers to the adults.

    6. Re:winme: not that bad by Gli7ch · · Score: 1

      "Who has actually used it and found it to be shit?"

      Me. 98 SE had a chance to be a half-way decent OS. Then ME came along and gave 98SE a raping, leaving it crying in the dirt, stripped of the little stability it had, with a lack compatability for... pretty much anything. Sure it sported a slightly improved UI, but if it always crashed the prettier icons weren't much good to me.

      Oh, and the No DOS mode thing... that pissed me off.

    7. Re:winme: not that bad by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      surely your worst enemy

      then you would have had no problem with: "all your base are belong to " pwn

      Oh wait, I was gonna finish this, but now i gotta reboot, stupid WinME . . .

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    8. Re:winme: not that bad by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      surely your worst enemy

      No it wasn't, and don't call me Shirley.

      There were things that were worse, such as IE 5. If the instalation failed at just the wrong time, the user would reboot to a blank desktop. No taskbar, no icons, nothing. As our ISP software installed it, we were responsible for fixing it. Much worse.

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    9. Re:winme: not that bad by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Also, a lot of the shitty third party 'Windows Optimizers' and add-ins never supported Windows Me. So you have your regular sNorton fUtility/symantec/'drive cleansweep'/'fuck-wit-it (enhanced edition)' fans, who are often the loudest to advocate or trash something. With Me, suddenly all their third party crap wouldn't install or was incompatible. There were rows and rows of those boxes of kludge utilities at retail operations, and (apparently) tons of people who bought into it. Most end users who didn't have a 'whiz-kid' meddler come over and fuck the system up used/use Me without any real difficulty.

    10. Re:winme: not that bad by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Windows ME really was a disaster at release. However, a couple of years later Microsoft had managed to patch it to the point that it was pretty stable (atleast by Windows 95/98 standards). Most of us geeks missed out on that though, as we were either using Windows 2000 by that time, or decided to stick with 98SE (that is, if we using Windows in the first place).

      Though I would have to agree that Windows ME should of never been released in the state that it was.

  30. Bonsai Buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How could they forget Bonsai Buddy. Actually I liked the guy, he was a steady stream of income for me during high school and early college. Removing him and spyware was good business for myself and I'm sure plenty of you as well.

    1. Re:Bonsai Buddy by jameskojiro · · Score: 0

      I always wanted to shoot that F*cdking ape ass CPU waste of freeking time and effort.... Usless ass pile of shit software.....4 hours later......Brainddead waste of memory and graphics process pile of shit software.

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    2. Re:Bonsai Buddy by Merdalors · · Score: 1
      Don't hold back, now, tell us how you really feel about it :o)

      Seriously, I wish they would line up the guys who write this software against a wall, and recreate St Valentine's Day Massacre.

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  31. Wasn't this just on digg? by GrendelT · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure this was on digg a few hours ago. Anywho, this is what I posted there:

    Some of the items on here, while they suck in retrospect, they were awesome when they came out, but you can't judge the past based on today's terms. The impact of some of these spawned new products and ideas.
    I disagree with some of their inclusions to the "Worst Tech of all time". Especially the items listed in the (dis)honorable mention category. True, some of the products sucked, but I can think of worse offerings.
    What they got wrong:
    - AOL "was" cool before there were many dialup ISPs... most of you have been AOL users at one point or another.
    - Real "was" cool before they started hi-jacking the system and changing codecs nightly.
    - The IBM 75GXP was an awesome hard drive for some. (I still have mine) It never cratered on me...
    - The Timex Datalink watch was awesome. Period.
    - The Newton was cool before Palm.
    - Motorola Rokr. Was there a better alternative at the time?
    - The Zip Drive held more than most people's HDs when it came out. If it weren't for the low price of CD-R/RW drives, more people might still be using them.

    Some products were cool, but their exection was poor. In this category:
    - 3Com Audrey it does have broadband support, you need a USB network adapter. I have one here.
    - PointCast had a great concept. Poor management and marketing.
    - CueCat sucked in reality. The plan was awesome, and they're a helluva lot of fun to play with now! (thanks eBay!)

    I also don't like the use "of all time" in all of these online "Top/Best/Worst ___" Lists. I especially don't like how they sensationalize a short list of items that one guy dislikes... and "of all time" goes back to 1989? Is the author 17 years old?

    1. Re:Wasn't this just on digg? by vandon · · Score: 1

      What they got wrong:
      - AOL "was" cool before there were many dialup ISPs... most of you have been AOL users at one point or another.
      ....Nope, all the cool people and geeks were on Compuserve using real newsgroups for porn and surfing the web with the Compuserve PPP dialer that didn't screw with your dial-up settings.

      - Motorola Rokr. Was there a better alternative at the time?
      ....Yes, an iPod in one pocket and your cell phone in the other.

      - The Zip Drive held more than most people's HDs when it came out. If it weren't for the low price of CD-R/RW drives, more people might still be using them.
      ....I don't know about that. I had a 1G in one machine and a 2G in another. I also have to say *click*

      I especially don't like how they sensationalize a short list of items that one guy dislikes... and "of all time" goes back to 1989? Is the author 17 years old?

      ....I have to agree with you there. The author has probably never even used a real XT machine, seen the real Transformers cartoons(not these new bastardized yugioh/pokemon versions), or watched Mr. Wizard.

      (Half of the /. crowd just said "Who's Mr. Wizard?)

    2. Re:Wasn't this just on digg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember the 80s mr wizard with no comercials. That was sweet. When the idea of cable was you didnt have to pay to watch comercials. Then they had to go back and chop them up so they were shorter so the comercials fit :(

      My #1 cable tv with commercials. That was a wonderful tech invention.

  32. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by ItsIllak · · Score: 1

    If they put AOL as the worst - they're going to have to condemn all the latest raft of sites such as YouTube, MySpace etc - the only reason that AOL got a bad name on the Internet was because it flooded a bunch of morons into Usenet and IRC - these are now very much back seat technologies. The latest bringers of idiocy (and lots of great content, but generally idiocy) just haven't got the means to shove it in your face!

    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGuBx6Xj-PE

  33. IE 4 should be on the list! by Andrew_T366 · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised Internet Explorer 4 and/or Windows 98 didn't make it to the list. It introduced the concept of "web integration," and that was a disaster by any account: It slowed performance down to the bone, replaced the Windows shell with itself, dropped advertising right on the desktop, brutally ironed over DLLs as if there was no tomorrow, and (especially at first) introduced a ship full of bugs, all while adding no functional benefit. Almost all of this made its way into Windows 98, which immediately cursed that version and everything since then.

    Unfortunately, with Windows 98 and later versions having phased out earlier versions over the years, a lot of people have gotten used to this stuff by now.

  34. MS is the greatest company on Earf by gelfling · · Score: 0, Troll

    and all their products are dropped from heaven itself. There ya happy now /. modders? moo moo moo moo.

    1. Re:MS is the greatest company on Earf by gelfling · · Score: 1

      C'mon I'm towing the /. line...where's my MSvisualcookie+(tm) ???

  35. Somethings missing... by Chris+Bradshaw · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Where's ADA?

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    1. Re:Somethings missing... by udoschuermann · · Score: 1

      ADA? The American Dental Association?!

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    2. Re:Somethings missing... by bsandersen · · Score: 1
      "Where's ADA?"

      Did you mean ADA, the "Americans with Disabilities Act"? Or, did you mean Ada, the programming language first designed in the late 1970's and early 1980's? Ada, the programming language, was actually an important step towards many of the things we take for granted today. It is still used in many safety-critical environments and is a workhorse for military and aerospace applications development.

      Many of the complaints about Ada in its formative days were about its size and ambitious charter, both of which seem quite modest by today's standards and language designs. Finally, most who complain about it most have used it least (or not at all). Or, they don't have a good understanding of the history of the development and evolution of programming languages over the last 30 years and the role that Ada played in shaping it.

    3. Re:Somethings missing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is . . . a workhorse for military and aerospace applications development.

      No. Let me correct that for you:

      It is a nightmare for military and aerospace applications development.

      I work for an aerospace/defense company that makes satellite-based sensors for the military. One of our sensors was in initial development when the military was having its love affair with Ada back in the early 90s. It was mandated that the flight software for our sensor would be written in Ada. And that's still kicking our ass today.

      Because of how our sensor was designed, it doesn't include all of the necessary hardware to run the complete Ada runtime environment. What was easy to do in assembly was absolutely impossible with the Ada runtime getting in the way on very limited computing hardware. We had to add extra hardware just to make it work, and ended up completely stripping out the Ada runtime from the compiler. All that's left is Ada syntax without any of the true benefits of the language. And a highly customized 15-year-old compiler (by a company that's long since gone out of business) that only runs on an ancient Vax.

      We have several of these sensors now in flight, and still make improvements to the flight software which are uploaded to the units in space. The guys who do flight software still have to wrestle with this archaic mess every time we do a change. The Ada requirement was dropped years ago, but the government doesn't want to pay us to requalify an assembly version of the software, so we're stuck with Ada. Bad timing, really.

  36. Ehm you are wishing here by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Popup ads, the worst tech ever? Hardly, they are very succesfull, in fact this article had one. Well a DHTML popup but that is the same thing right?

    As for DRM, well that is still around and doing a brisk trade. Expect to see a lot more of it in the future.

    I think you and the article author mean two different things. He means tech that was a failure. Not tech that is hated.

    Big difference.

    Yes on a list of most hated tech DRM and popups would be serious contenders but that is a list for another time. Granted, IE would again be high on the list. Bill Gates must be so proud.

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    1. Re:Ehm you are wishing here by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --They also forgot:

      o The SparQ 1GB drive
      http://www.streettech.com/archives_hardware/SparQ. html

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    2. Re:Ehm you are wishing here by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      I think you and the article author mean two different things. He means tech that was a failure. Not tech that is hated.

      If that were so, then why would AOL be #1? Love it or hate it, it's hard to deny that AOL was incredibly successful... and they are managing to adapt to the current environment, though time will tell how successful they are at that. Regardless, I'm sorry, but the quoted section of your statement is entirely incorrect.

  37. Wait a minute! by FrankieBoy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I use AOL. It's great! I also own a Packard Bell PC computer running Windows ME with 64MB RAM. I'm l337 as well and oh...I work for Radio Shack.

    1. Re:Wait a minute! by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      hand in your troll card

      the company name has been RadioShack for 5? years now

      and besides you have recently signed a doc that says ~speaking to the media without permission from the corporate pr dept is grounds for termination (among other things)

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    2. Re:Wait a minute! by maxume · · Score: 1

      Do you have a box of cuecats in your garage?

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    3. Re:Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... that faint rushing sound you heard was the joke crusing over your head at 30,000ft.

  38. Friday! by Ashton-Tate c. 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi -

    I know it is now long forgotten, but I remember making many jokes about Friday! back in the 1980's. As I tell people, it was kind of the Microsoft Bob of it's time...

    (Friday! was an early PIM, or Personal Information Manager written in dBASE II. The name came from Robinson Crusoe's helper who was named Friday)

    TWR

  39. Microsoft Bob by dudeX · · Score: 1

    The PC World article should have mentioned that Microsoft Bob was spearheaded by Melinda French (now Melinda Gates, wife of Bill Gates)...

    I guess Microsoft loves to reward failures :p

    1. Re:Microsoft Bob by One+Louder · · Score: 1
      The PC World article should have mentioned that Microsoft Bob was spearheaded by Melinda French (now Melinda Gates, wife of Bill Gates)...

      I guess Microsoft loves to reward failures :p

      You certainly have a curious definition of "reward".
    2. Re:Microsoft Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, MS Bob was one of only two original ideas that came out of Microsoft. The other was a talking paperclip.

    3. Re:Microsoft Bob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that was her punishment.

    4. Re:Microsoft Bob by JumperPunk · · Score: 1

      in the article they link to a more elaborate article on bob which does mention it

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    5. Re:Microsoft Bob by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      WTF? Are you saying you wouldn't join with Gates' money in holy matrimony? I certainly would.

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  40. Bad article... by talkingpaperclip · · Score: 1

    Clearly the article is flawed, neither Windows Vista nor Clippy appear in the list.

    1. Re:Bad article... by Nephilium · · Score: 1

      Actually... if you had bothered to RTFA... Clippy is mentioned... just bundled under the horror and pain that is Bob...

      Nephilium

    2. Re:Bad article... by Blue6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Clippy! I'd love to take a blow torch to that S.O.B

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    3. Re:Bad article... by KiltedKnight · · Score: 1
      This is a list of already existing items.

      Windows Vista isn't even out yet... assuming it ever will get out...

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    4. Re:Bad article... by treeves · · Score: 1

      the thing that saves Clippy from its own entry is, I'd guess, the fact that you can turn it off.

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    5. Re:Bad article... by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1
      Clippy is mentioned.
      "though some of the cartoons lived on to annoy users of Microsoft Office and Windows XP (Clippy the animated paper clip, anyone?)."

      They don't mention how annoying that fucker is, but at least he is mentioned with the failure that is BOB.
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    6. Re:Bad article... by talkingpaperclip · · Score: 1

      ..nor Clippy appear in the list.

      Actually... if you interacted with live people more often you might have a better working knowledge of English, and able to read my comment correctly.

    7. Re:Bad article... by Nephilium · · Score: 1

      Neither... nor works in English as saying that the objects you mention (Windows Vista and Clippy) do not appear in the list. Since one of the items is mentioned in the list, the statement is wrong. Clippy does appear in the list, just as a note under Bob.

      As an example, I like neither onions nor horseradish. This means I do not like onions. In addition to that, I do not like horseradish. If I liked one of those items, my statement is false.

      I suggest some more work to move up out of the Grammar HJ...

      Nephilium

      You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic. -- Zeb in Revolt in 2001

      **stuffs karma bonus away to stay under radar**

    8. Re:Bad article... by talkingpaperclip · · Score: 1

      Are you blind or just retarded?

      What an arrogant fuck. You attempt to belittle me by "correcting" some imaginary grammar mistake? Go crawl back into that pathetic little hole you came from, nerd boy.

      Since when is being an item in a list named "The 25 Worst Tech Products of All Time" the same as being some random ass item that happens to be referred to in an article about the list? Maybe thats how things go down in the Star Wars Trek universe you live in in your head, but this is not the case in human society.

  41. I still have one and yes it was good by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It was just to expensive and never really adopted as a standard. Meaning you had to bring your drive with you. Handy for downloading at work and then take it home where you were on pay by the minute dialup. Far superior to anything else at the time.

    The advance of cd burners (and later usb drives) coupled with the click of death and the high cost of zip disks and their small capacity just made them obsolete.

    It wasn't bad tech. Just had a very limited lifespan.

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    1. Re:I still have one and yes it was good by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Most Macs I encountered in those days (e.g. in art depts of universities) came furnished with a Zip drive. And someone to tell you how superior they were, of course.

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    2. Re:I still have one and yes it was good by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      Far superior to anything else at the time.

      Have to disagree with you (and apparently many other slashdotters), there. Zip was yet another product that proved my signature. In reality, the cost-per-megabyte on Fujitsu's 640Mb MO drives (and disks) was at least twice as good as Zip and the disks were much more durable, too. Unfortunately, Fujitsu sucks at marketing to Americans.

      To me it was clear, from the beginning, that Zip was just a stopgap technology. Recordable CDs were coming down in price and USB keys were on the horizon. Never bought a drive, for that reason.

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    3. Re:I still have one and yes it was good by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      No, the Macs did not come equipped with the 'someone to tell you...' people.

      Those accumulate on and around the Mac with time, like the dried gunk on the bottom of anything that rolls around on casters in a public school cafeteria.

  42. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Onan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yes, it's amazing how often "printer version" means "sane and less offensive to actual humans version."

    And if it's a site from which you read content more than a couple of times, there's a better solution than manually clicking on the printer version each time: use the uri transmogrifier of your choice (I love Pith Helmet.) to automatically turn urls into their printer-version form.

  43. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by captaineo · · Score: 1

    Yes, I think AOL is out of place on that list. From the perspective of a hard-core internet user, maybe they are a bad influence. But they picked their market and served it well. And unlike most products on that list, AOL was a smashing financial success. (RealPlayer and ZIP drives couldn't have done too bad either)

  44. useless list whining by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

    count me as part of the absolute smallest minority But i had very very few problems with ME. Of course, I never had to roll it out into a corp. environment (thank god) but at least it wasn't vulnerable to blaster and sasser. Also, I had great luck with Zip drives. I owned a parallel port 100 meg that's still working, and had a ton of zip disks that were a decent way to move files until CD-R's came down in price. Both products got a bad rep, but probably weren't as bad in practice as advertised.

    On the other hand, the honorable mention list has some stuff that should have easily been top 25. The Hockey puck mouse? how many bong hits did those engineers do? That thing was useless for fine control. DivX? Way to almost spend yourself into bankruptcy Circuit City. WebTV? yes, let's confuse people even further. All three of those products were bad ideas from start to finish. At least ME and Zip drives had some sort of market. WebTV, Divx and the hockey puck were examples of the "they'll buy it because we say so" school of marketing.

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    1. Re:useless list whining by gkhan1 · · Score: 1

      I never had a problem with Windows ME either. It rarely froze, I had no problem with drivers, and it was overall a pretty decent OS. That is, for me it was, I don't doubt that it was satan to others

    2. Re:useless list whining by RailRide · · Score: 1
      I would have to say ditto, for I had a laptop (Toshiba 2805-S503) that came with ME installed. I knew going in that ME was a dog, but I vowed to let it stay as long as it behaved itself. Deep in the annals of /. I described my experience with it, but I'll recount for those not wishing to dig for it (I certanly don't).

      I used to do basic video editing with it, using a combination of Ulead VideoStudio and Pinnacle Studio 8. Pinnacle was a bona-fide buggy app, and I never really got into it because it would randomly get into fights with serious-sounding processes like KERNEL.EXE and crash. Curiously enough, VideoStudio and Windows Media player, which I had running at the same time, would keep running, completely unaffected. I also used this machine for gaming, as it had a GeForce 2Go 3D accelerator, subwoofer and FireWire, which were rather nifty features at the time, and perfectly adequate for the train simulators and racing games (like Midtown Madness) I ran at the time.

      I lost the machine in a tragic walked-off-Amtrak-without-my-backpack incident in 2004, and the thing that bugged me the most aside from the loss,(it wasn't my primary machine, and thus had no critical or exploitable data on it) was that I had a stable ME machine, and no longer had proof of it.

      Last year, I finally found an identical machine in good condition at a decent price on Ebay (with no competing bidders) and bought it, even though I had no pressing need for another laptop. Like a lot of stuff I've bought in the recent past, it'll probably sit around till I define a good function for it, then put it into service.

      ---PCJ

  45. Re:Packard Bell - Durable P166 by UnderC0ver · · Score: 1

    Dude! Same here! The first Pentium machine I bought was a used PB Platinum 166. It ran and ran - I finally donated it to a school where I used to work. I know they had a horrible reputation, but this thing would not die.

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  46. Zip drives... by linebackn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The original Zip drives were really pretty nice. The SCSI and IDE 100 meg drives were relatively fast too (for the time). People remember those drives as being painfully slow because many people had the external versions that connected via the *parallel port* (shudder). They managed to get a lot of Zip drives pre-installed in to machines but then they came out with a Zip 250 meg drive and several other variations. Of course the newer media didn't work on the older drives, but the worst part was the old 100 meg disks worked slow as heck in the newer drives because it had to do something special to write to them properly. What I think really killed them eventually was that the Zip disks were very expensive and the prices never went down!

    They really could have replaced the 1.44 floppy disk if they had tried hard enough. I still have my old blue iomega 100 SCSI zip drive chugging away but I don't use it as much any more now that USB flash drives are almost everywhere and can finally run on everything short of DOS.

    1. Re:Zip drives... by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

      The original Zip drives were really pretty nice. The SCSI and IDE 100 meg drives were relatively fast too (for the time).

      I agree. I had the SCSI version and it was terrific! I used it from 1995 through about 2002 when it died. I bought a ZIP USB 250 to replace it -- boy was that a mistake. I mean, it worked fine, but a non-configurable setting had it go into power-saving "sleep" mode after 30 seconds of non-use. From that mode was a good 3-second access time. Not acceptable. That was the end of ZIP drives for me...

    2. Re:Zip drives... by sketchman · · Score: 1

      You might be interested in taking a look at the site below.
      http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm
      It has a number of ways to make USB work for DOS.
      Several people have verified that the ways work, although I have not gotten any to work. Not Bootdisk.com's fault. I have USB 1.0 on my DOS machine, so, I assume, new 2.0 Flash drives will not work with it. The fact that a Flash drive won't work on the same PC with Win98 confirms this suspicion.

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    3. Re:Zip drives... by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 1

      Zips aren't to bad, though outdated these days. In their day though 100mb was pretty big. I used one upto about a year ago, to get data off an old 68K mac which we used for data collection. Works well and as long as you stick with usb, scsi or internal drives actually pretty fast. Disk were always a bit over priced really.

    4. Re:Zip drives... by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      I worked for 3M around the time Imation was spun off into it's own business unit, and we used to get loads of superdisk drives and disks cheaply. They were supposed to be the real replacement to floppy disk drives when CDR-drives were insanely expensive (and cd-rom drives were still pretty rare).

      120MB disks that were the same size as a floppy disk, and a drive that was the same physical size as a floppy drive, AND could read conventional floppies? Should have been the death knell of the 100MB Zip drive and the conventional floppy, given it was available as either a parallel or internal-ide drive. Both the disks and drives were cheaper than the Zip drives.

      For some reason it never hit critical mass, and Zip drives ruled the roost until CD-ROM drives became commonplace and CD-R became a realistically priced option for physical storage. And conventional floppy drives still just won't DIE! (Stock windows installs still need floppies for SATA drive installs - in 2006 FFS)

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    5. Re:Zip drives... by demon · · Score: 1

      Of course, you forget the part where SuperDisk drives apparently committed mass suicide - the place I worked at the time had *many* SuperDisk drives (mostly external USB, though I had an internal IDE SuperDisk drive in my home system at the time as well). They all started failing to read disks, many of them completely shorting out to the point where the users smelled smoke and the units totally ceased operation. I seem to recall a major class-action suit against Imation/3M not long after that.

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    6. Re:Zip drives... by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      Odd. I never had one fail, and the one I had stashed in my spares bin still works - just tested it! Maybe working at 3M, we got the properly made ones...

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  47. Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by jemenake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the items on the list, although we love to hate them, are things that really did help the tech world make strides forward. For example, say what you want about AOL but, if it weren't for them, I still probably wouldn't be able to send email to my mom. Zip disks? Yes, they had click-of-death but, at the time, a portable 100MB for $10? That was unreal. PointCast? PointCast was the first time where you could have your very own, customized scrolling ticker on your screen... just like the ones on the CNN screen... but it only had the stuff *you* wanted. When it first came out, it was a marvel. All of these items changed the way that people thought about what they could do with computers when they first came out.

    Contrast that with some items on the list that were complete disasters from the moment they were launched: IBM PC Jr., CueCat, Microsoft Bob... THOSE belong on the list. The list probably should have included some other items that had lofty ambitions but just never "took" (like OS/2). But, like I said, some of the ones on the list, I feel, aren't getting their due. We look at them now and see how worthless they are by today's standards (you can probably get any of these items on eBay for $5, now), but that ignores the impact they had when they were first released.

    1. Re:Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by odourpreventer · · Score: 1

      Hmm, and I don't remember the Apple Macintosh Portable being as bad as written here. I mean, weren't most "portables" at the time of this size and weight? I remember my uncle bragging about his "portable" around this time. It was the size of a tool-box and weighted about as much. (And you had to write "park" at the command line before shutting down to park the hard drive head, otherwise it would just drop down on the disk surface and literally crash it.)

    2. Re:Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually CueCat was a pretty good item when it had tons of open source support. It was the CueCat company which sucked. They threw a hissy fit and tried to kill all CueCat software except their own. That was the end of CueCat.

    3. Re:Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      Actually, the 100MB disks were more like $25-$30. The scary part? They've stuck around in some uses.

    4. Re:Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      say what you want about AOL but, if it weren't for them, I still probably wouldn't be able to send email to my mom.

      How do you figure?

      I live in a country where AOL has never been and most likely never will be. Yet I email my mum regularly (who also lives in a country where AOL has never been and most likely never will be). All this is done using software developed far from AOL and protocols that were developed long before AOL was dreamed up.

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    5. Re:Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by hausmaus · · Score: 1

      Contrast that with some items on the list that were complete disasters from the moment they were launched: IBM PC Jr., CueCat, Microsoft Bob... THOSE belong on the list. The list probably should have included some other items that had lofty ambitions but just never "took" (like OS/2). But, like I said, some of the ones on the list, I feel, aren't getting their due. We look at them now and see how worthless they are by today's standards (you can probably get any of these items on eBay for $5, now), but that ignores the impact they had when they were first released.

      OS/2 never "took" because IBM let Microsoft walk all over them. OS/2 is still heavily used, but not in the US because of Microsoft's wonderful grip. Heck, OS/2 is still even being developed as eComStation and has some very nice features that Windows still doesn't have. Just because it's disappeared off the market, like DOS, doesn't mean it's worthless.

      I still have three Zip drives - a parallel port Zip 100 on my BBS machine (running OS/2), a internal Zip 250 ATAPI on this machine and an external USB Zip 100 on my wife's machine. I have never, in over six years, had a problem with any of these drives. I found in my observations that if you didn't jam the damn disk into the drive, your chances of getting the "click of death" were little or none.

      My drives are still going strong, some with disks that are 1998 vintage.

      I have a CueCat here that was modified to be a nice handheld scanner. The "paperstrip" technology that CueCat used is still be used by the US Armed Forces on every single ID card they produce (on the back).

      Some things from our past should be forgotten (such as Microsoft Bob, ugh), but there were lessons to be learned and still to learn from those products.

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    6. Re:Just wait a gosh darn minute, here.... by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

      AOL always sucked balls. They invented nothing of consequence, and offered a bastardised, censored parody of "being online" to people who didn't know any better. Plus, for every "someone's mom" they helped get onto the internets, they also allowed on a spammer, a script kiddie and at least three forum-fuckwits.

      Oh, except that they didn't get people onto the net - they got them onto their own proprietary walled garden, and then dragged their feet for years about giving people proper unfiltered net access. Seriously dude - if AOL was so great why have people left it in droves since its heyday to go and get "real" ISPs?

      And had AOL never come along of course you'd still be e-mailing your mum now. You'd have just had to get her a slightly more complex setup that would have required her to learn to click on three or four icons to send a message, rather than just on two or three. My aunty's online and has been for years - she knows next to nothing about computers, but after a couple of demos and one or two post-it notes she never had trouble dialling in through WinSock and using Eudora to send mail.

      Zip disks weren't a bad idea, but excessive prices (who'd you have to sleep with to get 100MB for $10?), crappy marketing and a communicable hardware failure is easily enough for their position. FWIW I had a Zip drive and always got on well with it, but you can't claim they were brilliant product.

      Pointcast sucked from day 1 - it was all marketing hype about "push" technology, and rapidly got banned from its own target market: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PointCast

      Seriously dude - just because something's an interesting idea doesn't make it a good product. A good product achieves success by being well-executed and useful, and I don't think anyone can claim those properties for AOL, Zip drives or Pointcast.

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  48. How about the segway? by joebooty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps the overhyping has forever biased me but the segway has to be the most absurd tech product.

    2k for a bizarre scooter that was supposed to change my life forever? huh?

    1. Re:How about the segway? by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > Perhaps the overhyping has forever biased me but the segway has to be the most absurd tech product.

      Oh, segways are amazingly useful for some things... but yeah they were being pitched as not only changing your life, but all of freakin society. "Cities will be built around these". Holy crap that was ridiculous.

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    2. Re:How about the segway? by Retired+Replicant · · Score: 1

      Yeah I remember that. The hype was so bad, people were thinking "Ginger" must have been a perpetual-motion machine or a Star Trek transporter device. When it was revealed it was such a letdown. I actually thought it might become really popular in China, but they have gone from bicycles straight to highly-polluting automobiles just like us.

    3. Re:How about the segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2K? Where the feck could you find a Segway for 2K, they were/are at least twice that price.

      at 2K they might actually have a decent sized market.

      And yes I am a former Segway employee

    4. Re:How about the segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the proper term is Faggy scooter, not bizzare.

    5. Re:How about the segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't completely rule out the Segway. R. Buckminster Fuller observed that an innovation in habitation typically takes 17 years to be adopted. You've got to figure that changes in urban infrastructure will take much longer. I do think that DK underestimated the laziness of the average person though. For the Segway to really catch on, it would need a seat. Picture the people you see at Disneyland who ride around in wheelchairs because they are too fat to walk. That's the future of personal transport: a chair you never have to get out of with Big Gulp sized cupholders and a little tray for your fries.

    6. Re:How about the segway? by m85476585 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried one? They are really fun, and they work fairly well. There is a company called Segway City Tours that gives tours around major cities on Segways.

    7. Re:How about the segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The inspiration behind the Segway HT came from the balancing technology of Kamen's innovative wheelchair, the iBOT, which can climb stairs, and prop itself up onto two wheels, to raise the user into a nearly-upright position. The first iterations of balancing technology were done in early Segway HT models."

    8. Re:How about the segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And yes I am a former Segway employee

      Sure, and I am the President of the United States.

    9. Re:How about the segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You equate being an employee with a regular company with the likelihood of being President of the United States?

      You might want to look into the term "perspective".

      If I told you I used to work at a supermarket in High school would you find that as incredulous?

      But to play your game. Name your requirement for proof.

  49. I still use my CueCat! by jfengel · · Score: 1

    I don't actually use it for... well, what the hell was it supposed to be for? But my theater troupe uses an online ticketing service, and it's kinda nifty to be able to just scan the bar codes when they present the tickets. And all it took was a trip to Radio Shack and a downloaded driver.

  50. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by SlayerDave · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uh, you complain about the article, but apparently failed to read it. The article is not about bad technology (who could deny that pop-up ads and DRM are terrible), but about bad technology products, i.e. discrete items and/or services produced and marketed by individual companies. The article discusses specific products, not general trends in broad sectors of industry.

  51. SPOILER Warning please! by billdar · · Score: 1
    Have a heart and tag spoiler warning!

    There is a reason top 10/25/100 lists count down to 1. Now where's the anticipation?

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    1. Re:SPOILER Warning please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this one starts with #1.

  52. PC World's website should have made the list by DaveM753 · · Score: 3, Funny

    +1 Flamebait... I know.

  53. Datalink is WHAT?!? by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They dare? They DARE?!? They dare to disparage the Timex Datalink?!?!?

    Heathens!

    I wore the crap out of my Datalink until it finally died in a pool in Arkansas of H2O exposure. Show me another watch that could sync up phone lists, memos and TIME to a PC and under linux no less (yes sir!). Not too bulky and had all the needed features. I'm talking the blinkly light version here, not the USB.

    Consider today's watchscape, the best that's out there are the "atomic" (*cough* radio sync) watches and for the most part none of them work quite as well or have the anywhere near the feature set of the Good Old Ironman Datalink.

    The best part was holding your breath long enough for the watch to finish the transfer without crapping out. Good times, good times.

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    1. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by isometrick · · Score: 1

      Hell yeah, that was an awesome watch. I have the USB version now, but my old blinky light version is buried in my closet somewhere still working (afaik).

      How was it a failure? It kept me on time to my appointments.

    2. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I had a DataLink too. I used it until one of the posts holding the strap in place broke, and there's no way to fix it. What did I replace it with? Another DataLink. It's a good watch, carries the phone numbers I need most, and does what I want, the way I want it done. Major geek value. Giving it a Dishonerable Mention was just a cheap shot.

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    3. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by 11223 · · Score: 1

      I used to use one of those. Nowadays I'm using the Fossil Abacus Wrist PDA, which will do everything you described as it's just a PalmOS 4.1 USB device. And it runs a lot more software, too!

      This is just the "dishonorable mentions" list, though, which seems to be more made up of products whose concept was cool but flopped in the marketplace.

    4. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 1

      I owned the Datalink watch and loved it. I had all my friends' phone numbers on it. Do you remember the Timex Internet Messenger watch that was the successor to it? It had an alphanumeric pager builtin which you could activate by e-mail. I set up a gateway so that when people IMed me with "!page" at the beginning of the message, it would get forwarded to my watch. This was nice at the time because I didn't have a cell phone, but people could still get ahold of me when I was out in BFE. It was CHEAP too -- about $3 a month.

    5. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by L+the+Cat · · Score: 1

      I still use and love my datalink. My current one is #3. I bought #2 the day of the best Superbowl I can remember http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps/game/sbxxx iv. The little things are so precise they crap out pretty much exactly after 5 years. I hope I can still get somethings similar in 2010...

    6. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      I almost did a double take on which list I was looking at. How could it make the "worst" list, it's the best watch I've ever owned, and I've owned plenty. I'm wearing it right now, on only it's second or third battery since 1997, and although I haven't sync'ed the data in years, there are still phone [and other] numbers in it that I refer to monthly.

    7. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      I still have a watch that uses that. The watch refuses to die, Its been running on its origonal battery for 6 YEARS! Oh, and there's nothing quite like syncing your watch up to a PC thats synced to an atomic clock.

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    8. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good times indeed. The watch was built like a tank too, very heavy metal case, not like the cheap plastic "Z-shock" ones.

      One of the few times I screen-synced my watch at work, the beeping noise (the watch beeped to indicate data reception) and the screen flashes freaked my coworkers out. "WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?" They must have thought I was receiving coded messages from my alien overlords from outer space.

      Good times.

      Tom

    9. Re:Datalink is WHAT?!? by fons · · Score: 1

      That was the best watch I EVER had.

      I got it as a present when I subscribed to a magazine (European WIRED rip-off). This present was the only reason I took the subscription! Thoso watches were hard to get in BElgium :-)

      Synchronizing by holding the watch up to the screen, was the best. Nobody believed me until they saw it. It was Sci-Fi tech at its best. Very creative engineering. They guy who came up with this deserves a statue.

      Mine broke after water exposure, but I still keep it around. Good memories.

  54. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by JLS-UK · · Score: 1

    http://www.pcworld.com/resource/printable/article/ 0,aid,125772,00.asp The whole article in one page with pictures. (Printer friendly link)

  55. The actual list by Spez · · Score: 2, Informative

    1 America Online (1989-2006)
    2 RealNetworks RealPlayer (1999)
    3 Syncronys SoftRAM (1995)
    4 Microsoft Windows Millennium (2000)
    5 Sony BMG Music CDs (2005)
    6 Disney The Lion King CD-ROM (1994)
    7 Microsoft Bob (1995)
    8 Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (2001)
    9 Pressplay and Musicnet (2002)
    10 dBASE IV (1988)
    11 Priceline Groceries and Gas (2000)
    12 PointCast (1996)
    13 IBM PCjr. (1984)
    14 Gateway 2000 10th Anniversary PC (1995)
    15 Iomega Zip Drive (1998)
    16 Comet Cursor (1997)
    17 Apple Macintosh Portable (1989)
    18 IBM Deskstar 75GXP (2000)
    19 OQO Model 1 (2004)
    20 CueCat (2000)
    21 Eyetop Wearable DVD Player (2004)
    22 Apple Pippin @World (1996)
    23 Free PCs (1999)
    24 DigiScents iSmell (2001)
    25 Sharp RD3D Notebook (2004)

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  56. Lack of news (or writer's block) by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Inability to come up with something meaningful to write ineviably always leads to "Best ... of all time" or "Worst ... of all time" babbled passed off as articles. Editors (of "professional" publications, no less) should've seen this kind of busy-work garbage from a mile away instead of running'em...

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  57. Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by joebooty · · Score: 5, Interesting


    The shoe fitting fluoroscope was a common fixture in shoe stores during the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. A typical unit, like the Adrian machine shown here, consisted of a vertical wooden cabinet with an opening near the bottom into which the feet were placed. When you looked through one of the three viewing ports on the top of the cabinet (e.g., one for the child being fitted, one for the child's parent, and the third for the shoe salesman or saleswoman), you would see a fluorescent image of the bones of the feet and the outline of the shoes.

    The machines generally employed a 50 kv x-ray tube operating at 3 to 8 milliamps. When you put your feet in a shoe fitting fluoroscope, you were effectively standing on top of the x-ray tube. The only "shielding" between your feet and the tube was a one mm thick aluminum filter. Some units allowed the operator to select one of three different intensities: the highest intensity for men, the middle one for women and the lowest for children.

    Naturally children loved this gadget and kids were getting months of radiation exposure every chance they could get! I know the list is all modern technology but this product is so magically horrid it should get honorary mention...

    1. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by FrenchSilk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but it was sooo cool to look at the bones in your feet right through your shoes! And when you wiggled your toes, you could see them move on the green screen. I used to go into the shoe store all the time just to use the fluoroscope. And the extra toes I grew kept me out of Viet Nam!

    2. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by deacon · · Score: 1
      So maybe X rays are not so bad?

      Millons of x-rayed feet. Ever hear of foot cancer? Me neither.

      A lot like mercury, lead paint, and asbestos, radon, etc. etc. We have been conditioned to think of these as lethal, when in fact problems were rare except for factory workers producing the product.

    3. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      A lot like mercury, lead paint, and asbestos, radon, etc. etc. We have been conditioned to think of these as lethal, when in fact problems were rare except for factory workers producing the product.

      Don't forget DIY, particularly when taking things down. We removed the plating on our roof which contained asbestos, unfastening them and lowering them down and with a simple dust mask. The "old way" would have been to break them with a hammer, then throw them in a container. That'd throw up a cloud of fine asbestos dust which is exactly the greatest danger. But yeah, as long as you leave them alone they're hardly dangerous to anyone.

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    4. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by The+Grey+Clone · · Score: 1

      Bob Marley developed skin cancer under his right big toe that eventually led to his death. So yes, I've heard of foot cancer.

    5. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      In a similar vein, there have been a few products over the years that contained uranium. Check out the Fiestaware and Revigorators on this page.

    6. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      When you copy and paste (a section of) an article, it's only fair to provide a link to the original; that's especially true when it references an image: "A typical unit, like the Adrian machine shown here".

      I'm begining to wonder if the mods even read the comments.

    7. Re:Xray shoe fitter has to be on the list. by The+13th+Duke · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'll vote for that. As a child, back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, I always used to beg to be allowed a go on the machine in my local shoe shop. Strangely (I thought at the time), the assistants always had some excuse why I could't use it. Maybe the damn thing just didn't work and was "for display purposes only", but now I'm glad I didn't get my feet repeatedly irradiated for the fleeting pleasure of seeing a crappy green foot shaped blur on the little screen.

  58. Re:Packard Bell - Durable P166 by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    I'll continue the "Me Too!" posts. I've got a PB 166 too...though I stuck an 'overdrive' chip in it so it's a whopping 233 now. It worked very well for me for a long time. Now, its a foot rest under my desk.

  59. Left out a few. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. The IBM PC. It was slower than many CP/M available at the time that cost less. It uses a brain-dead "16" bit cpu called the 8088 that was used a night mare of an addressing system. The default operating system was this bad copy of CP/M from Microsoft. And it didn't even follow the standard for the gender of the printer port or the serial port! What made it a total nightmare was that it sold in HUGE numbers and created a standard that sucked and managed to kill off better machines.

    2. The IBM AT. Just when you thought their couldn't be a CPU worse then the 8088 Intel creates the an addressing system that makes the 8088 look good. Then IBM creates new standard based in this nightmare did I mention that they created an even less standard format for the RS-232 comport? But wait there is more Microsoft creates a now OS that has a bad habit of crashing hard drives and prevent you from creating any hard drive partition bigger than 33 megabytes.

    And the ever popular Disk-doubler! A great program from Microsoft that they included with MS-DOS 6. Not only did it contain code stolen from Stac but it also could lost vast amount of data on your drive!

    There are so many others that should be on that list.

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    1. Re:Left out a few. by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      Disk Doubler was Macintosh stuff. Microsoft bundled DriveSpace and DiskSpace (I never know which one came first).

      If you will pretend to be ancient, do it right ;-)

    2. Re:Left out a few. by FrankNFurter · · Score: 1

      Actually it was Doublespace (which came with MS-DOS 6.0) and later Drivespace (which came with MS-DOS 6.22).

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    3. Re:Left out a few. by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      I think DrivesSpace's lifetime even extended well into the Windows 9x era.

    4. Re:Left out a few. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Sorry my bad. It was a while ago after all. The name may be forgotten but the pain is lingers.

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  60. Use VMware by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Just for fun, get all the versions of windows and install them with Vmware. I swear to god even the biggest MS fanboy who will happily lick Bill Gates toilet will turn into a MS basher after doing window 3.1 through Windows 2003.

    To be fair, XP and 2003 are easier. In roughly the same way that the last guy in the prison gang rape will probably be easier to take (if you catch my drift).

    I was amazed by how many crashes I got. Granted linux gives me troubles during installs too but at least they are crashes I can work with and fix. How the fuck can Windows XP crash on a vm setup? It is not like it has any exotic fucking hardware to mess it up?

    The funny thing, windows ME was not that bad. Not anyworse then windows 95 really. In fact that whole generation was the same, random crashes during install for no good reason and taking centuries just to get the files on to the fucking HD.

    People who say Windows is easier to install then linux have never installed windows.

    Next excersise, Install Slacw 1.0, anyone willing to take bets on when my head will explode?

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    1. Re:Use VMware by KaoticEvil · · Score: 1

      "People who say Windows is easier to install then linux have never installed windows."

      Erm, excuse me, but I've been working on computers since the age of 10 (I am now nearly 27), and I have installed nearly every version of Windows (3.x, 9x, ME, 2k, XP and 2k3) as well as several versions of Linux (Slack 9, Kubuntu, Vector, Gentoo (never got that one to install properly however), Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian (Woody) and SuSE) and I must say that unless you do the install in "basic" or "simple" mode, Windows *IS MUCH* easier to install that Linux. I install Windows on at least 5 machines a week at my shop.

      Whoever said Linux was easier to install than Windows hasn't installed Linux.

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  61. Y'ALL FORGOT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SPAM!

    I blame Cantor and Siegel...

    Curses unto them until the end of time!

  62. My nomination by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    #1

    Circuit City DiVX

    How could they forget???

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    1. Re:My nomination by joebooty · · Score: 1

      good call. divx was so absurd.

    2. Re:My nomination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't forget, it's on the (dis)honorable mention list.

  63. No Enron? by timeOday · · Score: 1

    The Enron bandwidth market springs to mind. Never made much sense to me. And, hey, it's Enron.

  64. You screwed up the name, it's Packard Hell by doublem · · Score: 1

    My college SO had a Packard Hell.

    We held the video ram in place with a piece of electrical tape. If we didn't, jostling the case caused the SOB to fall out, and we'd have to tip the case over to rattle the RAM chip out.

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  65. Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was online with pictures, multiuser chat, news, message boards, and email in 1981, on both CompuServe and GEnie. AOL invented nothing. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    1. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Different user base. Compuserv was far more targeted toward the geeks, and AOL was more newbie and family oriented. Prodigy and GEnie somewhere in the middle.

      Compuserv with those incomprehensible usernames (12345.987@compuserv.com) was just too weird for most.

      AOL invented nothing.
      Neverwinter Nights in graphical format instead of text.

    2. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by oni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hey want to hear something cool (or maybe pathetic) - I *still* have an active compuserve account. It's only 2.95 a month so I figured, what the hell. They are owned by AOL and I don't even have the software, but I can still send and recieve email through POP and SMTP.

      Yeah, I was on compuserve on a 2400 baud modem attached to an apple IIgs way back in like 1992. I used to hang out in the anime chat room, "the usual restaurant" it was called. Ah, those were the days.

    3. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by NormalVisual · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to be 72310,272, and "cgremlin" on the CB Simulator. I had my CIS account from 1986 (starting with a 1200 baud VenTel modem) until 1998 when they attempted to double-charge my account and got unreasonable about it. I really miss the '80s and early '90s - the online experience was totally different then, even though we all had dog-slow modems and almost everything was text-based - I don't expect the kids today that have only experienced the Internet in its current form could understand the appeal. Hell, I even have some old CB Simulator friends that I still exchange Christmas cards with.

      And I live 40 miles away from my parents' house. :-D

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    4. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Am I missing where he claims AOL invented anything? I got the impression that he was referring to connectivity when he called them the only game in town. Not that they were better then compuserve in that regard.

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    5. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      > > AOL invented nothing.
      > Neverwinter Nights in graphical format instead of text.

      Which they then cancelled because they couldn't be bothered to figure out how to integrate it into their new flat rate billing structure. Two months later, Ultima Online launched. Way to go, guys!

      Chris Mattern

    6. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by badasscat · · Score: 1

      Different user base. Compuserv was far more targeted toward the geeks, and AOL was more newbie and family oriented. Prodigy and GEnie somewhere in the middle.

      Well, let's go back to the parent post, which said this:

      But before other dial up ISPs, they were the only bread in town, unless you logged in to text services or one-at-a-time BBSs.

      He wasn't talking about demographics, he categorically said there were no other comparable services. Which is not true.

      CompuServe was probably the first of these - it's at least the first I remember, and it definitely predates AOL by at least several years. (Side note: it's kind of funny that people now commonly write "CompuServ", as if they automatically assume they need to get cutesy with the name.) Prodigy also came before AOL, and did pretty much the same things - in fact, more at first. Both Prodigy and CompuServe had "instant messaging" (though it was called something else) before AOL, for example. Prodigy was always positioned as an easier-to-use service than CompuServe, and it was as graphical as AOL ever was.

      I don't really know how or why AOL suddenly ballooned into the behemoth that it became, but it was probably just the MySpace/Ebay effect - you reach a critical mass of any one group of people and everybody's then gotta be where they think the action is. I think it was the teenagers that drove the rush towards AOL, not the moms and pops. The kids demanded to be on AOL and they brought their parents with them.

      Anyway, the point is AOL neither did anything first nor did they do much of anything better than anyone else. They may have hit upon just the right formula of features and marketing to attract just enough of one particular demographic to then push them past the tipping point, beyond which it didn't matter anymore how good they were in relation to any of the other services. And that's the point at which they turned crap.

    7. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really know how or why AOL suddenly ballooned into the behemoth that it became...

      You must be too young to remember the free flying disks sent to every household on a biweekly basis. Some people actually stuck them into the computer and opened up the free account that was virtually impossible to close.

    8. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by jdcook · · Score: 4, Funny
      "And I live 40 miles away from my parents' house."

      Wow. They must have a HUGE basement.

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    9. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I remember CompuServe, too. I remember the $12 per hour connect charges for the fast 1200/2400 baud line. You could also connect at 300 baud for $6. And the 300 baud charge was the better deal, because CompuServe put layers of prompts between anything you would want to connect to. Many layers. So it would take two or three prompts to get from one message board to another, and prompts between messages.

      There was eventually Software that streamlined through some of these prompts, but a lot of people went online with 'plain vanilla' terminals or terminal emulators on machines that couldn't run said software.

      The CompuServe online experience was unpleasant and as quick as you could manage it, for anybody whose company wasn't paying the bill for the connect time. Quite a few of the 'regulars' on CS were those who loafed from work on connections they didn't pay for directly.

    10. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both GEnie and AOL (nee "Quantum Link") started in the same year. Compuserve was available earlier, though, you are correct on that.

    11. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by zuluechopapa · · Score: 1

      Well. no, I never have heard of GEnie. but if you were with compuserve... unless it was in that (somehwhat) short time frame between when they started up and when AOL decided to buy them, you were going through AOL, too. you just didn't know it.

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    12. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by westlake · · Score: 1
      I don't really know how or why AOL suddenly ballooned into the behemoth that it became

      Flat rate.
      No credit card required.
      Local access pretty much everywhere. Software anyone could find and anyone could use.

    13. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by spun · · Score: 1

      Compuserve was started in 1969, spun off it's time sharing service in 1975, started email services in 1979, was acquired by H&R Block and started real time chat in 1980, and didn't sell to AOL (through WorldCom, which bought them and sold them a day later!) in 1997. You kinda come across as a newb when you talk about things you know little about.

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    14. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1

      When you say "somewhat short time frame" are you possibly referring to the 19-year gap between when Compuserve first started offering online services to customers in 1978, and when they were purchased by AOL, c.1997

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    15. Re:Ever hear of CompuServe? GEnie? by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 1

      Quantum*Link for the C64 (the AOL predecessor) was the first that made steps towards a true graphical experience (such as the Lucasarts Habitat environment or Club Caribe, which forshadowed World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs..). This was in 1986ish...

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  66. MSDOS 4.0 by babanada · · Score: 1

    3 was good. 4 was very sucky. It sticks in my mind as one of the worst releases of any widely used software. I disagree about the zip drive. I never had one fail. Not that it isn't kinda irrelevant now.

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  67. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by EvanED · · Score: 1

    Inaccessible dial-up numbers: I had about 4 numbers locally, and most problems were because I screwed with my modem baud trying to squeeze out top speed.

    OTOH, to be fair to the article, in the month or two following when they first went to unlimited time it was near impossible to get anything but a busy signal, especially in the evening, and at least where I lived. We actually took to dialing the AOL number with our phone and, when we finally didn't get a busy signal, quickly hitting the sign-on. Usually the program would get to the point where it tries to establish a carrier before the server timed out, and all you'd have to do was hang up. (Hey, it worked!) We did this because we could make repeated calls with the phone faster than the computer and AOL client would, so the dozen or so tries it usually took to get an answer only took a minute instead of five.

  68. Actually, you missed number zero. by MickLinux · · Score: 2
    Number zero is that javascript popup ad that comes up right in the middle of the screen. Gosh durn, I hate them things. If you click on it, even on the "close" in the upper right corner, you run the risk of activating the link. If you right-click it, you find that the browser doesn't recognize it as an actual window.

    Ooooh. What did I do to deserve that?

    Well, the irony is delicious.

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    1. Re:Actually, you missed number zero. by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      Two words for you.. NoScript Extension.

  69. And the Worst 25 Tech Rags Are by NihilEst · · Score: 1

    PC WORLD hits the top of my list :P

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    1. Re:And the Worst 25 Tech Rags Are by gcdude · · Score: 1

      Definitely PC World as it exists in the UK. Its a computer 'supermarket' that sells overpriced hardware via undertrained idiots (their staff). Those AOL users have to go somewhere for their computer information update.

  70. WTF Where are DIVX (Digital Video Express) players by OzPhIsH · · Score: 1
    Ok, DIVX is by FAR the WORST tech product ever created. I can't imagine how this isn't on the list. And AOL #1!?! We all know AOL sucks, but come on, at least it helped the internet and the web reach a critical mass in the US. Zip drives? What about SuperDisk? Disney Lion King CD-Rom? I guess, but it's not like they came up with WinG, you can blame Microsoft for that. Didn't warcraft 2 use WinG? That's not a "bad tech product", so why is this Lion King software any different..

    Anyway, we could nitpick this list to death, but man oh man, that fact that DIVX players aren't on this list is a crime.

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  71. No Coleco Adam? by chriswaco · · Score: 1

    Any list of the worst technical products that doesn't mention The Coleco Adam is just wrong.

    AOL was great back in the day of dialup modems, before the web. Compared to its closest competitor, Prodigy, it rocked. It just hasn't aged well, once it became nothing more than an ugly advertising platform with a ridiculously slow web proxy.

    The Oqo is cool. Maybe not a huge success, but still a neat device.

    And the Zip drives were wildly popular, even though some stopped working. The original Canon optical drives in the NeXT machines had a near 100% failure rate over two years.

    1. Re:No Coleco Adam? by babanada · · Score: 1

      Agreed on the Coleco Adam. I saw it in Chicago at the CES in '83. It looked to me like the demo boxes were fake at the show. I'm not sure if the "death of the early 80s video game" stories every take into account what Coleco's Adam did to the industry or not.

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    2. Re:No Coleco Adam? by RailRide · · Score: 1
      Agreed on the Coleco Adam. I saw it in Chicago at the CES in '83. It looked to me like the demo boxes were fake at the show. I'm not sure if the "death of the early 80s video game" stories every take into account what Coleco's Adam did to the industry or not.

      It had much of nothing to do with the industry's downfall. About the only effect of Coleco's announcement of the all-in one (CPU/keyboard/printer for MSRP $600) package was that a fair number of smaller companies aborted their entries into the home computer market (most of them were somewhat underpowered in relation to the Adam). In spite of the Colecovision's popularity, Coleco's fortunes rested firmly on the Cabbage Patch dolls. When their popularity faded, the company had little left to keep it afloat. Much of the videogame industry at the time wasn't doing much better, so even their game console would not have been much help.

      What was not well-known was that only the first batch of Adam units were problematic. Coleco fixed the problems and the second shipment was rock-solid, but nobody ever publicized that fact, instead harping on the troublesome first batch as if they were the only ones ever made. I remember reading at least one financial columnist in the local paper, who had an annoying penchant for bashing the company, practically celebrating (headline: "DUMP ADAM") Coleco's decision to halt production of the platform, in a fashion only exceeded by Playstation fanboys on Usenet when Sega stopped producing the Dreamcast.

      I myself had to return three units before I went to a different retailer (knowing that defect-free units were out there) and got a newer version (revision 80). That one was trouble-free well into the 486 era, expanded to 320K of RAM, six drives (twin tape, twin 5.25" and twin 3.5" floppy drives) and equipped with a serial-port modem and a parallel-port dot-matrix printer. The multitude of Adam owners I corresponded with via dialup bulliten-boards (remember those?) while the system was still supported (and even after) reported similar performance from their systems.

      It would probably still work today (I even had an attatchment that allowed me to format cassettes for use with the tape drive) had I not broke a contact on the edge-card connector that joined the unit to a Colecovision unit, while futzing with the alignment of the two boxes. I could still solder in a jumper wire and resurrect the unit if only I had a suitable place to park the whole constellation of equipment.

      ---PCJ

  72. Where's the Amiga 600? by Stormwatch · · Score: 0

    Actually, I've never used an Amiga 600 , but the description makes clear that it was a huge fuck-up. Less powerful than its predecessor, and more expensive! Pure genius, no wonder Commodore went down.

  73. How come PCWorld didn't make this list? by Skiron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean, they are the 'Happy Shopper' company of the PC World (pun intended).

  74. What About SCO Xenix/Unix? by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    The UNIX that makes UNIX lovers long for Windows. My first job in '89 involved working with a 286 Xenix box and it sucked in countless ways. I had to deal with it again 10 years later and it hadn't improved at all in that amount of time. It looked particularly inadequate sitting next to several AIX, Sun and Linux machines that it shared the lab with. Not even HPUX sucks as much as SCO, and that's saying a lot.

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    1. Re:What About SCO Xenix/Unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft created Xenix. They later sold it to SCO.

    2. Re:What About SCO Xenix/Unix? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Compared to dos and windows 3.0 at the time I assumed it would be a big improvement.

      At least you have real tool with gnu to troubleshoot a misbehaving box with logging unlike the strange uninformative messages from early versions of windows.

      What was so bad about Xenix? I am curious. I remember it was hated on slashdot during the lat 90's before Linux began taking over

    3. Re:What About SCO Xenix/Unix? by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      Well for one thing the OS was $1200. That doesn't count X11, a C compiler, man pages, nroff/troff, etc. So for your $1200 you got a UNIX with no development tools or applications. On the hardware I first used it on it ran fine for a couple of days, then it'd slow down to a crawl. This could have easily been a memory leak in our application or the copy of foxpro that my boss shelled out for, but SCO tech support was never particularly helpful in isolating the problem (It was probably impossible given the lack of utilities that came with the base OS.)

      I forget what shell it came with originally. At the time I was used to VAX VMS systems and they actually had a decent shell. SCO Xenix didn't. These days I just compile Bash on any UNIX type platforms I use (And Cygwin bash for Windows.) Not that that'd even have been an option on that origial Xenix box.

      Back in the late '90's when I worked on it again, the company I worked for actually did spring for a more complete platform and I got a look at SCO's answer to a GUI. It was like some brain-dead version of Windows. It wasn't CDE -- it made CDE look good. That's not easy to do. By that time I was pretty heavily into Linux, which provided a robust platform with usable tools, all for free. The only thing SCO really had going for them was that some proprietary hardware manufacturers made SCO specific stuff, but even they started jumping ship not much later.

      Back in the late 80's BSD probably would have been a better choice than Xenix if you had the know-how to get and install it. Unfortunately I didn't at the time. I looked around for a multitasking OS I could run a the house and ended up deciding on OS/2 over any of the other offerings of the day. That was probalby the right choice (Though again BSD probably would have been an excellent platform if I'd had the know-how to make it work for me.)

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    4. Re:What About SCO Xenix/Unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no tcp/ip support...

  75. What, no CDi, 3DO, Sega CD or Nintendo Virtualboy? by Retired+Replicant · · Score: 1

    I guess this must be non-gaming tech gadgets. You could make another list of the top 25 worst gaming gadget, and they would all be worse than anything on this list.

  76. Agreed by psykopotat · · Score: 1

    While not being familiar with most of the products listed I can't agree more with the top 2 choices. RealPlayer (BUFFERING) with its hidden invasive system settings that were really hard to turn off (although recent versions seem to suck a bit less) would have been my choice for first place. And even though I live in Iceland and luckily have never had to use AOL the online buzz has made the name synonymous with poison. Many people have suggested DRM'd products should be on the list. I think it's too early to tell... I believe a decent DRM model can work out well in the future so while it's tempting shit all over DRM I don't think it's time yet.

  77. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Joiseybill · · Score: 1

    Excellent points. On the 'expensive' issue, though.. GEnie was charging up to $36 per hour for dial-up connections for "prime time gaming". At it's worst, AOL only extorted $6 or so per hour.
    I remember having to explain the $300+ monthly bills until I took an in-game "job" with SimuTronics (now Play.net ) so they would pay my net bill.

  78. WinMe has a use... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    ...it lets you install XP on a new build from an Upgrade package.

    rj

    1. Re:WinMe has a use... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      it lets you install XP

      Now, hold on right there!

      It was assumed that everybody in the discusson meant 'a good use.'

  79. Sinclair C5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Sinclair C5 by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 1

      The Sinclair C5 was absolutely brilliant. As long as you didn't try to use it as a serious method of transport then it was great fun... Especially downhill and offroad ;->

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  80. That's a GOOD idea. by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    It's the equivalent of viewing digital photos on your TV now (which my camera supports). It was probably overpriced at the time though. People didn't spend beyond their means back then.

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  81. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by 8ball629 · · Score: 1
    Or for those of us who appreciate irony, how about "breaking your article up into many pages in order to increase page impressions and ad revenue?"
    I agree, for those of you that DO NOT feel like clicking through all 9 pages to view all of these "finalists", just go here
  82. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by mad.frog · · Score: 1

    Let's start with "popup ads..."

    Did they include "annoying pop-over ads that obscure the article -- which, coincidentally show up in this very article, ironically enough"?

  83. Nothing from Sinclair? by Tim+Ward · · Score: 1

    C'mon ... so many to choose from, the Black Watch and the QL just for starters ...

    1. Re:Nothing from Sinclair? by fatphil · · Score: 1

      Should you not be declaring an interest?

      """
      Sinclair had commissioned GST Computer Systems to produce an operating system for the machine, but switched to QDOS, developed in-house, before launch. GST's OS, designed by Tim Ward, ...
      """

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  84. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by jandrese · · Score: 1

    I was having trouble reading the article over the constant drone of the grinding ax.

    Seriously, AOL was bloated and crashy, but it also didn't assume that the users (like your parents and grandparents) knew how to install Winsock or how to configure DHCP. Most of AOLs competition came from small time ISPs run by and for geeks. Much of the hatred of AOL stemed from them making the Internet a place for everybody (including the stupid people), not just the geeks. Of course there was Compuserve and Prodigy too, but for some reason those services don't seem to draw the kind of hate that AOL does.

    Anyway, the rest of the selection is either obvious to Slashdot readers (everybody loves to pick on Bob), or something the columnnist was apparently bitten by (SoftRam is hardly the only $30 utility for Windows or any OS that is a complete rip off).

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  85. Re:WTF Where are DIVX (Digital Video Express) play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a dishonorable mention...

  86. MY PUCK MOUSE! by The+Lost+Supertone · · Score: 1

    Those bastards put my lovable puck mouse in dishonourable mentions! Bastards! I loved my little blueberry puck and it was not an ergonomic nightmare, it was easy if you weren't freaking brain dead! It's probably my third favourite mouse I've ever owned. I would use it today if it were both optical, and had some sort of scrolling feature... and if I hadn't stepped on it and broken it. Freaking anti-apple bastards!

    1. Re:MY PUCK MOUSE! by nsayer · · Score: 1
      Freaking anti-apple bastards!

      They don't call it "PC World" for nothing.

    2. Re:MY PUCK MOUSE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely you jest.

  87. What about IBM OfficeVision? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    or the other "all in one" office automation products that minicomputer makers tried to push in the 1980's?


    Or IBM's microchannel PS/2?


    Or Apple's version of Unix, A/UX?


    or the First Virtual e-commerce payment system?


    or SETS for secure ecommerce?


    or the DEC rainbow PC?

  88. spark by Tivon · · Score: 1

    My first guess would have been just about anything Gateway made. The Dells are running a close second on my list. What's worse than these is my cheap watch made by some China company called SPARK. It looks like SHARP, but SPARK? C'mon... "We are lost.. it's okay though for with my Spark watch, we can make fire."

  89. Bravo! by LibertineR · · Score: 1
    Wish I had mod points for you, because you are dead right.

    Even though I use Windows on a daily basis, and even used to work for Microsoft, I have to agree with what you said about Windows making people consider computers to be fragile. I hadnt thought about it in those terms, but when I read your post, I thought about the hundreds of users that I have encountered over the years who are literally afraid that their computer will turn on them at any second if they strike the wrong key, and in one case, a person who was afraid of using the right mouse button, because their friend (mac owner) told them that it was the addition of the right mouse button that made Windows unstable, and that it should never be used.

    Being a Windows user from 3.0 on, gives one the feeling somewhat akin to being a veteran of some inter-global man vs. machine war, from which there are many survivors but all with major injuries. As the cursor moves closer to the Outlook icon, the hand trembles, wondering if this is the day that Outlook decides to strike back!

  90. MS Word 6 for the Mac by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yes, I know its distribution was limited but OMG what a piece of shit! Word 5 was zippy (for its day), wasn't overloaded with unused features, and conformed to the Mac interface standards. Word 6 comes along (on 24 floppies, no less), takes hours to install, took 5 minutes to launch, and would crash repeatedly. Worst of all, MS tried to implement a Windows look-and-feel on the Mac and ended up with what I consider the absolute worse piece of software I have ever used. I even seem to recall MS apologizing for later, but that may have happened during one of my 'nam flashbacks.

    Strangely, I haven't trusted MS since.

    1. Re:MS Word 6 for the Mac by FrankNFurter · · Score: 1

      Word 6 for the Macintosh was essentially WinWord 6 run through a cross-compiler. The most noticable Windows-ism were the underlined letters in the menus, which were completely useless on the Mac...

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    2. Re:MS Word 6 for the Mac by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know its distribution was limited

      Limited how? I worked in the computer department of the UPenn bookstore when Word 6 came out, and we sold a ton-- at least until the word spread about what a serious piece of shit it was. We also sold a lot of copies of Office 4.2.1, which included Word 6.

      The backlash was such that Microsoft did not discontinue Word 5.1, and we sold it right alongside Word 6-- I believe the older program outsold the new one. IIRC, we also did exchanges for Word 5.1 when people who bought 6 came back a couple days later to complain about what a turd it was.

      The Word 6 debacle led directly to the creation of the Mac Business Unit at Microsoft, which has produced some pretty decent products in the ensuing years. So at least something positive came out of the whole thing.

      ~Philly

  91. Re:Bad tech? Compuserve was first.. by Presence2 · · Score: 1

    Compuserve was around long before AOL. I credit them with laying the table with all the bad manners AOL excercised later on when they bought them. I blame them for lowering the default intelligence required to participate online, which was the chisel cracking open the floodgates that was AOL. The lack of accountibility, idiocy, and random utter garbage that is the majority of the internet grew exponentially by the second after compuserve started up.

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  93. That's pretty bad, but don't forget the Revigator! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Yes, a product that sold by the hundreds of thousands. Probably the most popular device to add radon to drinking water: http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/quackcures/revi gat.htm

    Good times.

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  94. 80s, 90s, 00s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they ever made anything that hasn't been complete shit? They're even worse than Compaq.

    1. Re:80s, 90s, 00s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most stuff is worse than Compaq.

      Compaq makes some of the highest-quality machines I've ever worked on.

      Pretty much any Deskpro made in the last 10 years is a pick for best machines around. High performance, easy to work on, rock solid, and almost silent.

      Granted, if all you've ever seen is the Presario crap, I can understand why you'd dislike Compaq, but if you work with their *real* stuff, you'll quickly find it's second to none.

  95. They forgot one by mac123 · · Score: 1

    web pages that should be 1 page, but get hacked up and spread over 12 pages to make you look at advertisements.

  96. Linux! by Tofflos · · Score: 1

    Ok, I'm going to go against the flow on this one.

    Heralded as free computing it hasn't lived up to its' promise yet. You eventually spent so much time making it work that a license for a Microsoft operating system seemed like a steal. While proponents of Linux claimed Microsoft operating systems were insecure and fragile, Linux shipped broken out of the box.

    Among other things Linux came with a friendly and knowledgable community which when you asked questions like "Why doesn't my mouse work?", or "What is vertical refresh rate?", you received helpful answers such as "It works for me!" and "RTFM".

    After years and years of being "ready for the desktop" developers and disitributors finally came to an understanding that the average Joe would never use a CLI as his primary method to interact with a computer.

    In recent times Linux has been copying succesful elements from more popular operating systems in an attempt to become less intimidating for new users. Unfortunately copying instead of innovating implies at best second place. Linux was dead last in implementing viable solutions for killer-features such as proper handling of removable media and wireless networking.

    1. Re:Linux! by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

      Har Har.

      You're so funny.

      Can't you be at _little_ more creative in your trolling?

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    2. Re:Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually all of his/her points are 100% valid.

  97. IE 6??? by istartedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They should have blasted IE4 -- the first IE that really muckled itself into the OS. Install IE-4 on the user's machine, and run the risk of trashing their whole OS. I saw it happen in tech support, and it led to the whole mishmash of exploits that allowed IE to get into Windows and mess up your box. The integration is better now, but the idea remains suspect.

    The whole list looks whacked. AOL may not be something I would ever use, but "worst tech product???". It's an intro to the web for newbies. That doesn't make it "bad tech".

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    1. Re:IE 6??? by slackmaster2000 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why they specifically picked IE6. It certainly wasn't the first version of IE that had terrible security problems.

      I might have just picked Internet Explorer in general. My first experience with IE was IE3, which in my opinion was worse than any subsequent version by a long shot, especially when compared to Netscape 3. IE4 was pretty good from the user perspective, and nicer to run than Netscape/Communicator 4 IMO. With "IE integration" being all the rage back then I eventually gave in and switched all my users to IE4, and it was ok at the time...I didn't suffer from installation issues mentioned. Both IE5 and 6 are just as usable, but don't really bring anything new to the table except exploits galore. I'm pretty darn thankful for Firefox these days. There was sort of a gap there for a while where you either used IE (on windows) or you paid for a browser that worked. Other alternatives were slow and/or didn't want to play rendering games (spite?).

      In regards to AOL I'd definately list it as one of the worst tech products. I don't know how many people I switched from AOL to regular ISPs in the 90s. Most people didn't know that they could reach the same damn internet with a cheaper, faster, local service, and would install AOL because "hey, here's a disk I got from a magazine/the mailbox/walmart/the sidewalk" and "9000 free minutes sounds good to me!" Then they got to find out just how much fun it can be to try to remove AOL from a machine, and how much more fun it can be to get AOL to stop sucking money from your checking account even though you cancelled your service (or so you thought). Even today AOL software continues to funk up machines and their proxy servers continue to piss off web admins and users alike. Their service isn't really beneficial to the large portion of their customers, who have access to alternative services for less money and less hassle. The only knowledge that a "newbie" gets from an experience with AOL is, "man, that sucked."

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  99. AOL is quite good! by gberke · · Score: 1

    AOL is a fine product. It was Mac-like (people that poo an AOL are almost certainly PC technoweebs or extra heavy testosterone laden, I humbly suggest)and is still by far the easiest way for actual people to get on the internet and use the darn thing.
    1) built in email client
    2) built in features
    3) all the nasty parameters hidden (pop, proxy, smtp, DNCP, IP...) when people get off into browser preferences, they are rightly terrified.
    I have used AOL as an installation diagnostic tool: if AOL doesn't work, then it is certainly an equipment error.

  100. SoftRAM -- stock from $0.03 to $32.00 for SYCR by texaport · · Score: 1
    An O'Reilley & Associates reprint properly shows a big reason for the sale of 600,000 copies of the proven-worthless SoftRAM95: Mark Bunting the self-proclaimed "Computer Guy" of tv and airline magazine fame.

    In the end, the only part of this WORST-3 ever products that could be shown to even work, was a reverse-engineered free PC Magazine utility (a dozen lines of code) that purposely fragmented memory below 640K so that no DOS TSR could grab more than about 10K of RAM.

    Syncronys Softcorp stole its one functional component line-for-line ... including the worthless no-op instructions put in there just to identify the actual author.

  101. Pointcast by nsayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I actually ran Pointcast on a spare laptop in the living room back in the day. I actually thought it was pretty useful.

    Once in the middle of the night I got up and went out to the kitchen for a snack. Our cat was on the back of the couch staring at the Pointcast screensaver. She was transfixed. Everytime it would change, she would twitch a little. She loved to watch it while we were sleeping. I guess she liked the contrasting colors and movement.

    I wrote a note to the Pointcast folks about this. They were quite amused. They sent me a T-shirt. I thought that was nice of them.

  102. Worst Products, not Ads by abb3w · · Score: 1
    Good list... where's X10?

    As others have noted, X10 products really aren't that bad. While I won't buy them (due to that ghastly ad campaign), I'll use them readily enough when they're given to me for free.

    Most of the other stuff on the list, I wouldn't use if you paid me. For a few, I'd either open fire or call a HazMat team in.

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  103. product 26: modern computer magazines. by artifex2004 · · Score: 1

    There hasn't been a good computer magazine since the early days of BYTE :)

  104. No Ngage either... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 1

    or GameGear or Atari Lynx.

    I don't know if you could qualify the NeoGeo as a failure either as it managed to stick around for quite a while despite the insanely high cost of the console and games. You could also add the Sega CD and Sega 32X to the list of tried and failed. Has a game console add on ever succeeded? *tries to think of one that has*

    Anyway, the article completely missed the video game market for failed products.

    1. Re:No Ngage either... by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      The sony playstation memory card has been a hugely successful add-on. :)

      I'd call the expansion packs for the n64 relatively successful, but the n64 was sort of a loser in that era, so I can't. :)

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  105. ZIP's fine. CD drives however... by vtcodger · · Score: 1
    I STILL have the same parallel port ZIP drive that I bought in 1992 to archive data when the 105mb hard drive in my 386SX16 filled up. And I still use it every weekend to back up a copy of my critical data for offsite (car trunk) storage. Other than wearing out a couple of disks, sufficiently that there weren't enough good sectors left to save 98mb of data it has performed flawlessly.

    I realize that not everyone was that lucky, and maybe including ZIP in the list is reasonable. But in point of fact, I never encountered a ZIP drive that didn't work. I sort of think that what kept people from using ZIP was the relatively high cost of the media, not the occasional spectacular device failures.

    Now if we want to talk about crappy data storage hardware, let's bring up the subject of CD drives. I have four CDRW drives on the household computers and not one of them can be relied on to write more than a couple of hundred MB without an error. OK, CDR/CDRW have lousy S/N ratios because evey vendor uses their own proprietary recording layer formulation in order to avoid paying royalties (just another benefit of Intellectual Property laws). You'd think that commercial pressed CDs would read reliably. Not so -- not even on a PC that's only a year old or on a USB CD drive borrowed from my wife's sewing machine. In fact, when I have to load data from a CD, I often end up roaming around the house looking for a drive that will read it, copy all the files to disk and move them to the target machine via the household network. Back when I used to work with a lot of machines, we'd occasionally get a batch of machines with OK CD or CDRW drives. But most of the drives we got failed within a year or three and had to be replaced with other drives that failed within a year or three.

    CD is a teriffic medium for music where an occasional error is tolerable. For data, it sucks. With the possible exception of magnetic tape, CD has to be the most troublesome and least reliable data storage medium since paper tape.

    And maybe we should add PC magnetic tape to the list of really bad technology products. I can't tell you how many magnetic tapes I have found to be unreadable after the unfortunate owner's hard drive had crashed or been eaten by a virus. And that's not just Travan and similar junk. The last computer I had to deal with that used tape was a Netware server that ate three drives in three years under warranty. These drives listed for about $1000 each. Another, much cheaper, drive purchased after the warranty ran out lasted 18 months. It was on its fifth drive when it was retired. By then, I was buying used low end drives for relatively reasonable prices. Worked every bit as well as the classy drives (i.e. dismally)

    After drive number four I stuffed a drive caddy into a junker (486SX33), installed Linux and backed up the system every night to a hard drive as well as to tape (on days when we had a functioning tape drive). The network backup was much easier to run. Infinitely easier to recover data from. ... and comperable in cost if one doesn't need many levels of backup.

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  106. me too post by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

    Haha! I had one of those too, and it also taught me to dial with the cradle switch. Though as people responded, touchtone service came slow in many places.. hell my cottage still doesn't have touchtone. When you pick up the phone you are greeted with a 2 or 3 second silence followed by a loud snap as some relay flicks too. (though at least we aren't on a party line anymore...)

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  107. Number one with a bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and the winner is

    PC World's website.

    I have no idea what tech they are using but all I got were ads, blank pages and registration forms (apparently at random). Are they slashdotted or just sucky? I guess I'll never know because I won't be back for a while.

    Since I can't RTFA, here's some other nominees in no particular order:

    Sony CDs w/DRM - possibly the only product on this list that someone should actually have been arrested for
    MS ActiveX - because "sued" != "arrested"
    MS IE - and you can't arrest a company
    Trident video cards - the only hardware I've de-smoked...repeatedly.
    IBM printers - products so bad they killed the brand.
    MS Word - not because it is the worst but because it killed a far superior tool -> the productivity losses from this are literally in the billions.

    I'm sure there's more but I'd better get back to making sure that my project doesn't end up on this list...

  108. Hardware has dropped in price by competition by pogson · · Score: 1
    Microsoft has destroyed competition in software. That is why they can sell their crap for the prices out of the old days. When Microsoft started out, they cost about 15% of the capital cost of a system. Now they cost about 50%.

    Free software will eat MSFT for lunch when people realize they paid all that money for nothing. If we weren't so busy using our GNU/Linux systems we could get out and win more converts. I passed a thumbdrive with OpenOffice2 to a niece the other day. She had no idea free software was legal and capable. Where have I failed?

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    1. Re:Hardware has dropped in price by competition by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      She had no idea free software was legal and capable. Where have I failed?

      Nowhere. The idea of free software is completely alien to common people. I tried to explain it to my father in law some day, and in the end it was "if it costs nothing it has no value". My father in law has a very successful business, I guess that is why he couldn't understand. He's not the only one. Some people think that anything you download from the internet is either "Free and legal" (I have met people that think that downloading music with Morpheus is legal) or "Illegal" (Anything that doesn't cost something is illegal).

      Most people simply have no idea.... I personally think that they simply cannot understand... I don't try to explain it anymore, I gave up.

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  109. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by docyahoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not real good with ages, but I don't think the author of TFA is 16...18 maybe.

  110. Rio 300! by superdude72 · · Score: 2

    The Diamond Rio 300 could make the "best" list for being one of the first MP3 players on the market, but as a product it completely sucked.

    First, the battery compartment. It was so shoddily constructed that only Duracell batteries would work. Have you ever heard of anything so absurd? But it was true. The manual even mentioned it. (Since they obviously knew about this quite serious defect, did it occur to them to fix it?) I had to return to the store because it would not work with the Energizer batteries I had on hand. You would think that AA batteries are pretty much standardized, but apparently there are slight differences among manufacturers and Diamond managed to screw it up.

    Then, the false advertising. They hyped the hell out of the fact that you could use this thing to play files from Audible.com. The packaging had an Audible.com logo on it. It came with Audible.com software. But the player *did not* support Audible.com's file format! When I checked with tech support they promised support would be available with a firmware upgrade to be released, urm, ... Real Soon Now. It took more than 6 months from the date I purchased the player. (Which, given the poor quality of its manufacturing was well beyond its life expectancy.)

    Fortunately, the Rio 300 I purchased broke 2 days after I bought it and I was able to return it to Fry's for a refund. Oh, and this is how it broke: it got hot. Real hot. Like it was going to catch on fire. Ever seen the Star Trek episode where a phaser overheats, starts to glow, and Capt. Kirk has to throw it down a garbage chute before it explodes? That's what this was like.

    All that said, Rio changed owners and management several times. By the time later versions of the Rio came out, it was made by effectively a different company. The Rio Cali I bought a few years ago was a decent player. But they continued their practice of hyping their relationship with Audible.com even though their players didn't support the file format until a firmware upgrade that came months or even years after the release of the player. To this date I've never listened to an Audible.com file on a Rio--the firmware releases always happen after I've bought a newer player.

    1. Re:Rio 300! by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

      And the IPAQ PCD-1. One of the earliest CD based MP3 players, this one shipped with an incredibly poor CD reader, skipped excessively in all modes of playback (the ESP actually MADE this player skip more), no OGG compatibility, and was swiftly swept under the carpet when Compaq was bought out by HP.

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    2. Re:Rio 300! by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I got a Rio 500 as part of the deal when I signed up for Audible in 2000. Played audible files just fine.

      Still works, too; doesn't play well with XP though.

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    3. Re:Rio 300! by superdude72 · · Score: 1

      I got a Rio 500 as a replacement for my fried Rio 300, and it didn't play Audible.com files either until months after I purchased it, despite their advertising.

    4. Re:Rio 300! by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Ha, my girlfriend just got an ipod - the new 60 gb black version. Look great, but the software is a piece of shit. Can't upload photos (glad it has a slidehow option), can't change track names once they are on the ipod. Cant find out hot to put stuff from a cd onto the ipod without saving it to my harddrive - what a piece of crap. I thought sony could only pull of this crap. And the crappy manual they give you doesn't tell you anything at all.

  111. First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rule Slashdot! Woo Hoo!

  112. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by mikefrommcmurray · · Score: 2, Informative

    I ran one app more useful than any other on 3.1 -- WordPerfect 5.1.

  113. In Soviet Russia by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia MS bashes YOU!

  114. Time warp! by pogson · · Score: 1

    The parent must be referring to Linux 0.9. I have used GNU/Linux since kernel 2.2 and it just works. I have never met a PC on which I could not install Linux. I have set up so many systems that do magic like LTSP, software RAID, and OpenOffice. No more viruses!

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  115. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by jeillah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone else notice that at one time or another PC Weak ran articles that gave good reviews to almost all of the things in the top 25???

  116. Mod parent down (needs to plagiarize better) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    See http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/shoefittingfluo r/shoe.htm

    "According to Williams (1949), the machines generally employed a 50 kv x-ray tube operating at 3 to 8 milliamps. When you put your feet in a shoe fitting fluoroscope, you were effectively standing on top of the x-ray tube."

    1. Re:Mod parent down (needs to plagiarize better) by qzulla · · Score: 1
      That is a very cool site.

      I actually bought one of these kits at a CD auction years ago for $15.00 bux US. I have them on a shelf and can see them right now.

      qz

  117. What?! What?! What?! IBM PC jr bad?!! by vertinox · · Score: 1

    I can't believe they rated the IBM PC jr as the 13th worse product!!!

    I have many a child hood memory playing King Quest II on that thing... Jumpman, Ghostbuster, Gato, and Tapper... Oh those were the days. I'm sure it would suck for business apps and serious computing power, but it was fun as heck if you were a kid.

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  118. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by mindriot · · Score: 1
    Spam: We're placing the blame on AOL for this now?

    Well, not really, obviously. But from my brief AOL experience in '98 or so, I do remember hooking up a friend's computer to AOL, only to come back two weeks later and and finding her inbox swamped in dozens of Spam mails. In that respect, AOL was quite unique. At the same time, my email account was spam-free, and that only changed when I made the mistake of using it in Usenet posts (hey, I was still a kid).

    At the time, AOL inboxes apparently managed to fill with Spam from the moment they were created.

    And yeah, the billions of free AOL coasters in my mail and just about everywhere else were a definite nuisance. So, maybe AOL wasn't quite as bad as this article makes it out to be, but I think it does deserve a spot somewhere on this list.

  119. Re:Don't forget Prodigy! by vertinox · · Score: 1

    IMO AOL sucked back as much as they do now. I really like Prodigy though, but they costed too much for an unemployed Jr Highschooler.

    AOL was just wretched in the mid-early 90's. It only got worse.

    Most BBS's were tons of fun and not too shabby. I sort of miss the BBS days, but then I think most people miss things that they did when they were growing up.

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  120. Services in the early 90's by Oriumpor · · Score: 1

    AOL didn't begin giving access to tha intarweb until about 1993-1995 if I recall. Back then it wasn't the killer app. In fact, everybody had their own sets of 'killa-yer-wallet' apps. I would bet AOL's bread n butter back then were it's online entertainment services that were pay by the hour.

    Everybody had those, Prodigy, Compuserv etc. The pay by the hour service model was all the rave. They were all pretty similar, with a few notable exceptions (TSN later INN was the most unique IMO). I ended up ditching all the pretty foo-foo graphical BBS's for Concentric Research back in 95 once they became a full PPP based ISP. The benefit of AOL over the other embrionic ISPs was that it did all the garbage Wintrumpet BS transparent to the user. The graphical garbage can that is AOL drew users in with simple graphics that said "mail" and "news" etc. It is/was information organized for 6th graders... which apparently is all the average American wants.

    So, I guess in the same way the tabloid was a terrible invention, AOL is a very marketable product even if it is flavorless and tasteless for the discriminating user.

  121. Well, I understand why AOL is #1... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    ...in a PC magazine for geeks. AOL wasn't half as bad for AOLers as AOL was for the rest of Internet. See "Eternal september" and the like.

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    1. Re:Well, I understand why AOL is #1... by fatphil · · Score: 1

      And it's time to start re-labelling those insults.
      AOL's off Usenet, Something just as bad - googlegroups - is on.

      Except the "Me too", or "LOL!!!", is now posted without _any_ context at all so you don't even know what it's a reply to, rather than being pasted below the whole unedited prior conversation.

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  122. Why is compaq pcs not on their?? by majortom1981 · · Score: 1

    Why isnt compaq pc's not on their? Those things are garbage. especially with there screwed up case design.

  123. Finally, the Iomega Zip drive... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

    ...gets the recognition it deserves. I pity anyone who bought one. I ran through many scenarios in my head and yet I could never find one where the cost-benefit ratio of a Zip drive made one worth buying. In almost every case I could think of it was better to use floppies, burn your own CD or install a removable HD kit (in the days before USB). They were horrible and clunky. I never trusted them enough for backups. They were never universal enough to make them useful for sending data to others. And byte-for-byte they were incredibly expensive.

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    1. Re:Finally, the Iomega Zip drive... by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the Zip drives were fantastic in the beginning. I ordered one the same day I got the first MacWarehouse catalog pimping them, in spring of 1994 or 1995, IIRC. It was still going strong when I decommissioned my last SCSI-equipped Mac, in early 2003.

      Zip drives only got shitty once they got really popular and Iomega started selling them by the boatload. They cut corners to pump them out faster and cheaper, and product quality suffered as a result. I didn't encounter my first Click of Death-afflicted drive until probably 1997 or 1998, and I saw a lot of Zip drives because I worked in the creative industry in the mid and late 90s-- Zips supplanted 44/88MB SyQuest drives there with amazing speed and became a defacto standard for shuttling files back and forth from service bureaus.

      ~Philly

  124. Oh my god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IE 6 and Windows ME? yeah, right...WORST..we're talking WORST technology products of all time and you list those two. Sorry, but that smaks of personal agenda...

    try again, kids...

  125. HeadStart Explorer: XT Clone that MELTED by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    OK. It didn't exactly melt, but read on:

    I worked as a sales trainer / trade show roustabout for HeadStart, a division of N.A. Phillips, in 89-90.

    One of its most hyped products was a compact "dorm room" XT clone called the Explorer. It was actually pretty neat-looking. Folded up like a laptop so it could slide under the monitor stand.

    One of the accessories was a 40 MB hard drive. It came in a plastic case and slid into a bay in the side of the unit. The drive was never widely distributed, but all of the display units sent to appliance stores got one. It came loaded with a fairly neat animated demo cartoon.

    Good enough. But while the stores all got drives for their demo units, they didn't all get monitor stands and . . .

    . . . oh, did I mention that the Explorer didn't have a COOLING FAN? This wasn't a problem if there was no hard disk drive. But if there was, the top of the plastic case got really hot. Hot enough to soften . . .

    . . . when the store personnel set the monitor directly on top of the unit running the demo, it SUNK INTO THE CASE.

    Eventually, the heat killed hard disk drive, but not before causing trouble for me, personally, because I had to visit all sorts of stores to do a reformat and reinstall the demo software.

    Ah, those were the days.

  126. How I learned to love the puck mouse by flimflam · · Score: 1

    Although I hated the puck mouse on my Strawberry iMac at first, I've since grown to love it. The key was discovering the proper way to hold it. Once I started resting the heel of my hand on the desk and just moving the mouse with my fingers it actually was much more comfortable for me than a regular mouse. The other mouse I like now is a tiny wireless one that came for free from somewhere - I use it the same way - moving fingers only.

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  127. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by superiority · · Score: 2, Funny

    Holy crap! I just tried it -- and it works! You rock!

  128. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by m85476585 · · Score: 1

    "who could deny that pop-up ads and DRM are terrible"

    PC World could! They picked Windows Media DRM as a product of the year in 2005.

  129. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Heh, Windows "ME".

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  130. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by lunatik17 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a Firefox plugin that takes care of that.

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  131. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by maxume · · Score: 1

    There is also the bookmarklet. Of course, it doesn't work on this story.

    http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/zap.html#pr inter_friendly

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  132. Dell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone please explain to me what's wrong with Dell? They make reasonably good computers (as long as you pay over $1000, but I would say they are overpriced if you are paying more than $2000 (for laptops it is $1500 and $2500)). I have 5 dell computers and I haven't had any major problems or reasons to dislike them (except my laptop was slow because it was cheap). You can also think of them like AOL, allowing PCs to reach a large number of people.

    1. Re:Dell? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Dell hating has got to be an elistism thing. I've seen their hardware back to the early PII era, I've seen their server line and worked on their Optiplex line, and I've used a cheapie Dell Dimension at home for over a year. Rock solid machines. It's unfortunate that they didn't include an AGP slot, but after you wipe the hard drive and get rid of the shitty preinstall, Dells are definitely some of my favourite machines to work on in terms of hardware, Linux seems to love the hardware in them, and they don't seem to break.

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  133. W00t! The PSP dodged a bullet! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    Not that there is anything wrong with the PSP, aside from the lack of videogames. I mean, if Nintendo can port some of their old NES and SNES games to the Gameboy Advanced, why not do the same with the PSP? I mean, atleast have a Final Fantasy snuck in.

    The other flaw that the PSP has is a lack of internal memory. When you watch Magical Trevor 2 in Flash format on Newgrounds on the PSP browser (pending you've upgraded to PSP v2.70 with Flash 6) the music cuts out then the animation. It appears someone in Japan does not like Magical Trevor.

    Everyone Loves Magical Trevor cause the things that he does are ever so clever!

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  134. Sharp's RD3D was cool! by QuesarVII · · Score: 1

    I saw one at a trade show once.. they were really cool. The angle on the 3d was not bad either. I consider it a pretty revolutionary product actually.

  135. MS Bashing by Kluenitou · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hereby propose a sister law to Godwin's Law which shall heretoforth be referred to as Quinn's Law stating that as a slashdot discussion grows longer, the probability of a Microsoft bashing approaches one.

  136. Funny story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expensive: That's certainly true. I remember a point when they charged over $6 an hour or there abouts. Let's just say that you used your AOL time wisely (downloading all the porn you could within an hour), hehe.

    I used to game AOL all the time for free service, back in the day. When they gave out those "x free hours!" promos that had codes on them, I would use them to sign up as a new user, with all ficticious info. In the early years, they didn't actually run the credit card number you gave them at signup, they just verified the number was valid according to the algorithm for creating them. I had a little app that would generate valid CC numbers, so I used that.

    Presto, free AOL account. The trick was, when I got close to using up the free time, with only like 5-10 minutes of it left (you could check at any time how much of your free time was remaining), I'd end the session. The next time I signed on, I'd make it a marathon downloading session of anything and everything. I'd use up the remaining free time and head far into paid territory. Once I disconnected from that session, that was it. They'd try to charge the time to the card, find out it was invalid, and kill the account.

  137. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by iwsnet · · Score: 0

    I don't think AOL was that bad and I have used it since 1996. It obviously did something right since it had over 30 million subscribers and the company was able to buy out Time Warner.

    It was the MySpace before its time.

  138. Re:Zip drives... anyone remember "SyQuest"? by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 1
    "The original Zip drives were really pretty nice. The SCSI and IDE 100 meg drives were relatively fast too (for the time).
    Actually those drives were a gosend... at least when you were working on a Mac in the late 90s. They connected to your SCSI-Port (every Mac had one of those) without too much hassle and were blazingly fast and incredibly reliable --- at least compared to those blasted SyQuest-Monsters: heavy, expensive, unreliable... oh man, how much money I wasted on those dinosaurs... how come they didn't make the list, anyway?.

    True, Iomega blew it all later with shabby manufacturing (and those extremely unreliable "JAZ"-Disks (while the Dawn of CD-ROM was finally at the horizon ;) ))... but still... at the time... the ZIPs weren't such a bad thing.

    P.S.: Iomega might have had the "Click-of-Death", but long before that SyQuest had the "Clank-Schlock-Rack-Shrack-Rack-Rack-Rack-Wheeeee- Schlock-Rack-of-Death" (at about 10 x the price per MB) ;)

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  139. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by BeerCat · · Score: 1

    I ran one app more useful than any other on 3.1 -- WordPerfect 5.1.

    Pah! That's the fool's way! Win 3.1 and WP5.1 were just options from a DOS batch file; you ran one or the other, not one from within the other. (Windows was for those strange things like MS Excel 2.2 or MS Project 1.0) ;-)

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  140. My dad sold computers at GoodGuys and he..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tried to steer the customers to other brands because he said the Packard Bell return rate there was well over 50 percent.

    1. Re:My dad sold computers at GoodGuys and he..... by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 1

      I was gonna get a display-model PB for my first PC at Best Buy, lucky for me the employees there knew enough to run a scandisk on it. They found a bunch of bad sectors and said they couldn't sell it to me... (wound up getting a low-end IBM Aptiva which was probably for the best).

    2. Re:My dad sold computers at GoodGuys and he..... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I was gonna get a display-model PB for my first PC at Best Buy, lucky for me the employees there knew enough to run a scandisk on it. They found a bunch of bad sectors and said they couldn't sell it to me... (wound up getting a low-end IBM Aptiva which was probably for the best).

      Well, given the choice between a packard bell with a hard disc with bad sectors on it and a tri-gem, i'd go packard bell with the bad sectors. Those you can at least map out so long as the HD isn't creating new ones, and often hard discs are covered by the OEM warranty for years, though some in recent years have dropped their default warranty to 1 year. But at least a HD you can replace with moderate ease in most cases. The Tri-Gem was odd even for LPX standards, so swaping out the board was likely out of the question.

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  141. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And let's never forget that famous American Alexander Haig...

    General Alexander M. Haig, Jr. joins NewsMax.com advisory board

    West Palm Beach, Florida - General Alexander M. Haig, Jr. (USA Ret), former US Secretary of State, NATO Commander and White House Chief of Staff, has joined the international advisory board of NewsMax.com, the company announced today.

    "We are pleased that such a distinguished American statesman and business leader has joined us," Lord Rees-Mogg, Chairman of NewsMax.com, said.

    General Haig has been at the forefront of the new economy. He was one of the founding board members of America Online and played a key role in making AOL the giant it has become. He remains as a director of Compuserve Interactive Services, Inc., an AOL-Time Warner subsidiary. In addition he is a member of the Board of Directors of MGM Mirage, Inc., Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Inc. and Interneuron Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

    http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=68 003/

  142. Re:ZIP's fine. CD drives however... by BeerCat · · Score: 1

    I STILL have the same parallel port ZIP drive that I bought in 1992 to archive data when the 105mb hard drive in my 386SX16 filled up. And I still use it every weekend to back up a copy of my critical data for offsite (car trunk) storage. Other than wearing out a couple of disks, sufficiently that there weren't enough good sectors left to save 98mb of data it has performed flawlessly. I realize that not everyone was that lucky, and maybe including ZIP in the list is reasonable. But in point of fact, I never encountered a ZIP drive that didn't work. I sort of think that what kept people from using ZIP was the relatively high cost of the media, not the occasional spectacular device failures. Now if we want to talk about crappy data storage hardware, let's bring up the subject of CD drives.... CD is a teriffic medium for music where an occasional error is tolerable. For data, it sucks. With the possible exception of magnetic tape, CD has to be the most troublesome and least reliable data storage medium since paper tape. And maybe we should add PC magnetic tape to the list of really bad technology products. I can't tell you how many magnetic tapes I have found to be unreadable after the unfortunate owner's hard drive had crashed or been eaten by a virus.

    What about SyQuest drives (44Mb Hard Drive platter in a removable case, for the young :-) )? There was a time when SyQuest drives were used by publishing houses, as a way to transport big image files (and not have to span the file across multiple floppies, using PKZip or similar). Waht they never said was that once the it started hinting at dodgy sectors, it was time to ditch both the cartridge (which cost a significant amount, but only slightly less than 50 floppies), and usually also the drive (the two LEDs on the front had over 20 combinations of flashing to indicate drive failure of different types).
    At least Zip drives were descended from the Bernouilli Drives, which used the Bernouilli effect to ensure that head crashes were unlikely. Indeed, I once saw at a computer show such a drive being bounced up and down to show how resilient it was. And then I noticed it was connected to a computer. A quick play with the machine, and not only was the machine (a Mac IIcx or similar) able to read from the bouncing drive, but it had actually been booted from it (and hence, in System 7 days, needed to access it constantly). As the bloke on the stand said, "try doing that with a SyQuest drive"

    Never had any experience of tape drive failure (used QIC and the mini DAT size ones), although it was company policy to replace the 10 tapes used in a rolling backup every year (so each one would only have been used 26 times), so don't reckon they are any worse for reliability.

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  143. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Sangbin · · Score: 1

    Let's start with "popup ads..."

    Popup ads are a bad use of a tech, not a bad tech.
    Popup, the root technology behind this evilness, is an awesome idea which brought a z-axis into the 2-D world of web.

    Gun violence is bad, not the guns themselves.. Flame on.

  144. RSS is "Push"? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    RSS is NOT PUSH. It's designed to look like it's push -- except it's implemented on top of HTTP that pulls. That fact alone renders it pretty useless compared to a bookmark folder in Firefox -- open in tabs.

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  145. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by rho · · Score: 1

    Christ, I've only been complaining about this since 2001 in my /. journal.

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  146. Oops by icleprechauns · · Score: 1

    So I opened this page, and lo and behold: there's an ad for Microsoft Office on Windows Mobile. Coincidence? I think not.

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  147. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by sconeu · · Score: 1

    There were? And they did?

    <GLOAT>
    Funny... I didn't see any ads like that *cough*FF+AdBlock*cough*
    </GLOAT>

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  148. It is possible to screw anything up by Atario · · Score: 1

    Some sites do print the "printer-friendly" page. Some even close the window afterwards. Bastards.

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  149. CueCat by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 1

    What's so awful about the CueCat? Sure, the purpose for which it was intended was poorly thought out, but it turned out to be a perfectly usable and inexpensive barcode reader once it was appropriately repurposed. Who says a device has to be used solely for the purpose for which it was intended?

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  150. what a crock of shit by pyrrho · · Score: 1

    The sony zip drive?

    Realplayer?

    pathetic.

    where is the Apple ///?

    Oh yeah, they put MS Bob on, a fucking baby knows that one.

    This is the most ill informed list... done by people that are NOT AWARE of the true losers except a couple like Bob.

    dBase IV?

    and you know I got my hopes up.

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  151. Not OQO by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 1

    Putting the OQO on that list was flat WRONG. There has yet to be one device since in that category that is any better. I have an OQO and it is a great little device.

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  152. exactly by pyrrho · · Score: 1

    this list is very ill informed, many of these products were not the worst, even when they had some of the worst bugs, or notable bugs.

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  153. blah by hyperstation · · Score: 1

    this is crap that i'd expect to find on digg

  154. Re:Don't forget Prodigy! by zaxus · · Score: 1

    Most BBS's were tons of fun and not too shabby. I sort of miss the BBS days, but then I think most people miss things that they did when they were growing up.

    Try this. BBSing like it's 1989 all over again. :-)

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  155. What exactly do they mean... by Omega+Blue · · Score: 1

    by worst tech products?

    Do they mean "products that make your life miserable?" If so, all versions of Windows belong on the list. Do they mean "products that do not match up to marketing expectations?" If so, Segway is it. Do they mean "crazy, Rube Goldberg-esque contraptions?" You know, automobiles get pretty close. Such a complicated machine for the simple task of moving from point A to point B.

    There are probably quite a few other definitions I have missed. But you can't get an accurate result without an accurate premise. Typical GIGO (garbage in, garbage out)

  156. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a very brief employement with AOL last fall doing their tech support call center.

    ITs not in the past when things they did were rough. Today they are worse as they are freaking out how to keep their 7 million customers that are left and leaving by the day.

    Its not billing problems. Its intentional fraud that we are supposed to do to prevent you from leaving and charging everything for. If I recall the most cancellations an hour you were allowed to do was 4 an hour. (I could be off? ).

    Bad was not even the worst. They treat their employees and their customers as capital and objects to squeeze for maximum profit rather than people. Management brain dead to anything else with a strict bean counter mentality. THey dont need to know what they are doing. Just fire fire fire and if someone meets insane handle time then keep them.

    The culture inside is just hostile as day 1 when you are threatened to be outsourced to India during your orientation if you dont perform and how we are all overpaid at 9/hr. so do your job or else bla bla bla.

    Then on the floor on the first day we are reminded how quickly each of one us are about to be fired and perform or ELSE! People get fired within the first few days and are made light about it on purpose to set examples to meet handle time requirements.

    Maybe I am just bitter but AOL is well deserved to be labelled low and I wonder how legal it is do things like prevent cancellations and intentionally be overly aggressive with marketing lies? For example they have subsidary names for certain call centers and they keep changing their name every year because they keep getting sued by former workers and states. Makes you wonder?

  157. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by zanglang · · Score: 1

    Man, I can't believe I never realised it all the while! Thanks for the tip :)

  158. Windows? No AOL 1.0 used a real operating system by SETIGuy · · Score: 1
    Awful software: What did you expect, it ran on Windows 3.1. It was probably the only useful thing a home user ever ran on Windows 3.1

    Sorry, early versions of AOL ran under a real operating system GEOS. GEOS ran windowed multitasking apps on an 8088 with a Motif interface. Of course, it wasn't compatible with Windows software. Then again, at the time, neither was Windows.

  159. Should be modded "insightfull" not funny by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    I was about to type the same thing.

    I wrote a post about Windows95 with its 65k bugs as a big improvement and life changing event for all of us.

    Sadly I was dead serious. Windows 3.1 was very very very bad.

    Some of the younger slashdotters may want to hear how good they have it today after reading this?

    How bad? How about ZERO memory management.

    Also it had cooperative multitasking which is not real multitasking at all. That means if an app froze it would take down the whole system as Windows would wait for the token to be released to run the other apps. Obviously an infinite loop in a program you wrote would require a reset button hit.

    All apps that multitasked shared memory and if anyone used a memory address that another app used then CRASH. I had GP faults by the hour when I ran more than 2 apps. It was purely defective in my eyes and I prefered DOS. It crashed almost every day.

    My highschool ran Windows 3.1 with netware where we ran Borland C and GWBasic. WHen our apps crashed or when some of the geeks accidently made an infinite loop in their programs the whole system would be down for 10 MINUTES during the restart! Today you just close the app that is not responding.

    I only used Windows to run mosaic then netscape 1.0 and AOL (shudder.. this was before the www was available).

    My god WindowsME was so much more stable and nothing comes close to the problems of the early 16bit versions of Windows. I am still astounded Microsoft was able to actually keep making Windows.

    I became a Microsoft hater from that day as I shook my head and wondered why people actually paid money for this when unix, macos, and os/2 were available and many many times better.

    1. Re:Should be modded "insightfull" not funny by MojoStan · · Score: 1
      Windows 3.1 was very very very bad...

      How bad? How about ZERO memory management.

      Also it had cooperative multitasking which is not real multitasking at all. That means if an app froze it would take down the whole system as Windows would wait for the token to be released to run the other apps. Obviously an infinite loop in a program you wrote would require a reset button hit.

      All apps that multitasked shared memory and if anyone used a memory address that another app used then CRASH. I had GP faults by the hour when I ran more than 2 apps. It was purely defective in my eyes and I prefered DOS. It crashed almost every day...

      I am still astounded Microsoft was able to actually keep making Windows.

      I became a Microsoft hater from that day as I shook my head and wondered why people actually paid money for this when unix, macos, and os/2 were available and many many times better.

      I think you might be forgetting some things about Unix, Maco OS, and OS/2 from those days if you actually wonder why people used Windows 3.1 instead. If I remember correctly, Unix workstations were uber-expensive and not easy enough to use by the masses. Mac OS memory management was also lousy (crashes requiring reboots) and wouldn't get real multitasking until OS X in 2001. The Mac price premium, which is debatable today, was real in those days. OS/2 was a nice alternative, especially in 1994, but how many Windows 3.1 users ever saw a PC running OS/2? Not many. Was it poor promotion by IBM or illegal monopolistic actions by Microsoft?

      As bad as Windows 3.x was, I remember it being the first version that was "good enough" (for most users) to be an alternative to Mac OS, with more apps and a wide selection of inexpensive "IBM-compatibles." Unix was not yet a real alternative for most Windows/Mac OS users (Linux was years away from being an option) and OS/2 was not a choice if people didn't see it.

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    2. Re:Should be modded "insightfull" not funny by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Unix hard? When compared to WinDOS? This is the same WinDOS where you had to manually futz around with exactly where the DOS level device drivers got loaded. Windows 3.1 actually made Unix look EASIER.

                  The problem with Unix then was that it was limited to commercial vendor and none of them chose to seriously target the x86.

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    3. Re:Should be modded "insightfull" not funny by kamatsu · · Score: 1

      3.11 addressed many memory issues, and it certainly was not difficult "futzing around" to find the DOS device drivers. just run Windows' Sysconfig and open up the Config.sys file.. add necessary entries. Certainly no harder than DOS and DEFINITELY no harder than UNIX.

  160. Car phonograph by Merdalors · · Score: 1

    Has anyone ever seen a 16 RPM record? I haven't, although I remember for a while all turntables had switchable 78, 45, 33 and 16 RPM speeds.

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    1. Re:Car phonograph by scruffyMark · · Score: 1

      I think the 16 RPM setting was just for comic value. Ever hear a 78 RPM record at 16 RPM? It's good for a laugh

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    2. Re:Car phonograph by westlake · · Score: 1
      Has anyone ever seen a 16 RPM record?

      The 16 RPM record was the orginal audio book format for the blind and disabled, and were first distributed in the 1930s. My mother had a LOC player in the '70s, before the transition to cassette tape.

  161. Re:What, no CDi, 3DO, Sega CD or Nintendo Virtualb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh come now... Those were just game systems that weren't very popular. By no means do they even come close to qualifying for "Worst tech product of all time". There wasn't anything inherently wrong with them.

  162. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by DenmaFat · · Score: 1

    (more evidence this guy is 16)
    Ekshually, I know this guy (he used to be my boss), and he is exactly 46 years old.

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  163. Anyone remember Syquest drives? by Scoldog · · Score: 1

    Jeez I've still got two of the bastards, a 33MB one and a 88MB one. Plus about 20 disks (discs?) for both. I just get them out whenever I need a laugh.

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  164. Overrated at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a troll right?

    The list probably should have included some other items that had lofty ambitions but just never "took" (like OS/2). ????

    While it was a retail failure due to the fact that MS stuck the knife in OS/2's back, it was a GREAT product on paper and in reality! It took MANY years for windows to catch up. I know of one company that was still using it for production work last year.

  165. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by chameleon3 · · Score: 1
  166. Fanboys by derubergeek · · Score: 1
    Currently (2006-05-26 21:38 MST) most searched terms on eBay:

    Apple Macintosh Portable
    Apple Pippin

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  167. wonder why they went bankrupt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe if housecats had better credit and could get paypal or an online bank account, then pointcast might have been profitable

    1. Re:wonder why they went bankrupt? by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

      Was very profitable for some... got bought by other competing companies, which were eventually bought by AOL.

  168. Wait a minute...... by tonyr1988 · · Score: 0

    Where's MySpace?

  169. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by linuxinit · · Score: 1

    That's why you click... dun dun duuun:
    Print view.

  170. Oh Yeah? Well I remember CMI drives in IBM AT's. by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    And I really wish I could forget them.

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  171. Did the Apple III not make the 25-year cutoff? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Some computers have defective chips. Some have defective circuit boards. The Apple III was a true Think Different case, shipping with chips *falling out* of the circuit boards.

  172. AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the early '90's a guy who knew that I was into computers dropped by my room. He wanted me to take a look at his new machine and this great thing called AOL. He was actually proud about it. I took a look at it for awhile as he showed me what it could do. I was sad for this guy. At the time, I had access to all this new data through the standard internet tools of telnet, ftp, archie, news, mail, talk, gopher, etc.

        AOL at the time could not even access the internet. It was a poor chat service with cheesy graphics. I could not understand how anyone could be excited about it. The guy was giving up all this great access to data because the other tools had slightly steeper learning curves. He was happy to have a little picture that represented him. He liked clicking on other screen names and talking about mindless things with people he did not know. I tried to show him the other tools, but he just could not grasp how much larger the world could be if he would just struggle a little more.

    I must remember to keep struggling.

  173. the 1st Pentiums? ink jet printers? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1
    Maybe not top 25, but think those are worth a mention:
    • ink jet printers.
    • the 1st Pentiums, which had that division bug
    • handheld or roller fed scanners
    • Prodigy. Doesn't anyone remember how bad Prodigy's terms were back in the day?
    • The original optical mice. They had to have a special mouse pad that had a grid superimposed on a nice shiny reflective surface, and you had to keep the mouse aligned with the pad.
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  174. here too by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

    We use them as barcode readers to do cataloging work (books). Very useful :-P

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  175. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1

    Probably because Prodigy was never connected to the internet while it was a viable BBS, and CompuServe opened access to the stupid the right way: 25 cents per email. I'm not saying all users should pay more for email, just stupid ones.

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  176. You know, I know a guy... by Mister+Jimm · · Score: 1

    ...who did all manner of computering running Windows Me, complete with network, never a hitch, never locked up on him, no problems shutting down or using fancy devices. All other first and second hand experiences considered, my only standing hypothesis to this day is that he played the install CD backwards.

  177. Sony BMG music CD's???? by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Pardon me, but the whole concept from which sony-bmg music cd's spawned is what is flawed here.

    Of course, everything pc-world reviews/advertises now is packed with the crap (and they spend a whole lot of time figuring out creative ways to avoid mentioning its presence at all), so peeceeworld won't dare slander itself and/or it's sponsors.

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  178. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  179. Re:Zip drives... anyone remember "SyQuest"? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
    Iomega blew it all later with shabby manufacturing (and those extremely unreliable "JAZ"-Disks

    Strange... I still have my 1G Jaz drive (SCSI, I don't think they had other interfaces) and it still works fine. Must have been lucky...

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  180. What about toys? by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    As in, overpriced interactive toys that manufacturers were gambling on J.Q. Public's willingness to allow Timmy to precariously dangle his sippy cup over the keyboard of their (then) very expensive PC. These include:

    Interactive Barney (MS)
    USB Microscope (Intel)
    Any variety of bolt on keyboard toy for tool simulator (I forget the manufacturer, but it allowed kids to bang on a molded plastic "tool bench" with a plastic hammer, and the onscreen cartoon hammer would do the same).

    While they were cute tech demos, they weren't exactly practical for parents.

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  181. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by EricTheO · · Score: 1

    If I want to have someone read a webpage I usually send them the "Printer Friendly" page view.

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  182. Primitive vs. modern humans by alienmole · · Score: 1

    Well, yeah, but you primitive humans were dumb. Modern humans have no excuse. Well, other than MTV.

  183. Ah, and let us not forget the SuperDisk by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    Basically the predescessor to the Zip drive (also designed by Iomega, later bought up by 3M), while disks were cheaper (with 20 MB more capacity), and backwards compatible (try loading a 3.5 floppy into your Zip drive, oh, wait, you can't), it was also a bit snappier due to its being a floptical drive.

    Unfortunately, due to the time spent in refining the device/media, and problems with the SuperDisk drives' reliability, the SuperDisk failed in the market. The fact that they had to play catchup with Iomega's Zip drive was the final nail in its coffin.

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  184. Anybody notice the iTunes icon? by Triple+G · · Score: 1

    Anybody notice the iTunes icon in an image of the Microsft Bob link?! Just below the picture of the dog sitting on a desk with an exit button on it.

    http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/bob7.jpg

  185. Re:Zip drives... anyone remember "SyQuest"? by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 1
    "Strange... I still have my 1G Jaz drive (SCSI, I don't think they had other interfaces) and it still works fine. Must have been lucky..."
    Ah, the Drives worked fine... but the Cartridges ? Oh boy...

    I've got three dead 1GB-JAZ-Disks sitting here, right next to a pile of 40/80 MB SyQuest-Cartridges... wating for the day I personally meet someone from Iomega or SyQuest --- to clobber them with those expensive chunks of now useless hardware. ;-)


    P.S.: In my attic I've still got a 100MB-SCSI-ZIP-Drive, a 1GIG-SCSI-JAZ-Drive and even an old 80MB-SyQuest-Drive -- all in perfect working order. The only drive I've still got working cartridges for, though, is the 100MB-ZIP-Drive. I guess I was lucky with that one... so far no "Click-of-Death".

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  186. Re:ZIP's fine. CD drives however... by rdebath · · Score: 1
    Yup, CDs and DVDs are definitly the worst at reliability, despite the marketing they really do need caddies, a speck of dust or a worse a fingerprint will cause a lot of bit errors. It's even worse with rewritables and, of all people, Microsoft had to lead the call for defect managment on writing to RWs!!!

    But tape drives are reliable ... for a time, if you treat them well.

    1. CLEAN THE DRIVES! Unlike CD-drives the tape cleaners actually work.
    2. Retire tapes. The heads on the tape drive rub against the tape, DATs are the worst; the tape might move slowly but the heads move very very fast. DLT and LTO have multiple heads to reduce the wear problems.
    3. The tape heads will wear out. It's possible to monitor the drive and retire it before it starts killing tapes; a dirty drive can kill a good tape. If you retire it early you can sell it on ebay :-)

    Of course for PC backup people assume that they can reuse the tape that came with the drive forever; in that situation I tend to suggest something like a maxtor 'OneTouch' instead, when it dies they are told in no uncertain terms.

    Still if you drop a tape out of a third floor window it'll probably be ok; try that with a disk.
    Hummm, anybody know where I can get some slow but very high capacity Flash drives for a good price?

  187. Re:Zip drives... anyone remember "SyQuest"? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

    I'm still lucky. My 5 jaz disks are just working fine. I also have 90MB Bernouilli disks and those still work fine too. Amazing...

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  188. the memories by dreadlock9 · · Score: 1

    I've owned 3 of the products in that list. I thought my Zip drive was really cool when I got it during high school. It lasted a couple years, until it started clicking when I was in college. The clicking got worse, and eventually it could not write without going into a clicking fit. It destroyed most of my 15 or so zip disks, and I think I spread the click of death to some of the campus lab computers.

    A few years later, I bought a 75GXP deskstar hard drive, the 60GB version. It died in less than a year. I still have another one of those that is still working.

    I also used comet cursor, but I don't recall having any problems with it.

  189. Re:ZIP's fine. CD drives however... by vtcodger · · Score: 1
    I fought with tapes from 1961 until 2005, and frankly, I never had much but trouble with the damn things. OK for tying up packages (although it'd be easier if they weren't so slippery). Not so good for data transfer. They aren't even all that good for playing back music or video.

    I do understand that some people use them successfully for data backup in large installations, but I'll be damned if I can see how. Maybe there is a blank, postage paid, contract with Satan included in the materials shipped with classy tape drives? And the software ... I can deal with tar and cpio. No worse (or better) than most unix command line software. But BACKUP EXEC? Surely, it can't be as awful as it seems. There's some secret manual that they hid from me, right?

    Anyway, for the subset of home and small business users who actually back up data, help has hopefully arrived or is on the way in the form of flash memory. And perhaps it'll scale in the future to enterprise backup applications. Maybe in 20 years IT folks will look at tape drives in computer museums with the same bemusement that the currently exhibit for punch card equiment.

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  190. Re:ZIP's fine. CD drives however... by rdebath · · Score: 1
    Backup exec? Naa, not me I took one look at the guy trying to sell it to me and ran; I think it might have been the horns ^H^Hrims, or maybe just the "smile".

    But it's not the tape that needs the contract; well not actually a contract as such; it's just the SCSI bus that connects the tape drive and it may look like it but "SCSI is NOT magic. There are fundamental technical reasons why you have to sacrifice a virgin goat to your SCSI chain every now and then."

  191. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by sjames · · Score: 1

    Not that AOL was the best thing since sliced bread. But before other dial up ISPs, they were the only bread in town, unless you logged in to text services or one-at-a-time BBSs.

    Back in the days where 2400 baud was FAST, nobody wanted to wait for images to load. BBSes were NOT one at a time. Plenty were linked up in FIDO or RIME, and other smaller networks.Prodigy and Compu$erve were available for those who didn't mind paying for what others had for free. AOL was certainly a ME TOO! service.

    Then, dial-up Internet connectivity for people NOT in a university became available. Some of the FIDO systems set up FIDO<->Internet gateways. AOL remained an isolated community. If you wanted to get your windows 3.1 system on the net, you installed Trumpet winsock.

    I guess you weren't there or just don't remember when AOL connected to the Internet.

    YOU DIDNT HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FROM
    ADDRESS TO RECOGNIZE AN AOL USER IF THE
    ALL CAPS AND SOMETIMES 40 COLUMN TEXT
    DIDNT GIVE IT AWAY THE POSTS QUOTING
    1000 LINES FOLLOWED BY ME TOO!!!!! (CROSS
    POSTED TO 5 IRRELEVANT NEWSGROUPS) WERE
    A DEAD GIVAWAY OH AND THE EXCMALATION
    POINT BEING THE ONLY PUNCTUATION

    As I recall, AOL was considered (bad) training wheels for the 'net. I didn't have to buy floppies for several years due to the AOL carpet bombing.

    Then, came the spam. Nearly 100% of it came from AOL. MANY MANY people killfiled all of aol.com and for a while, they didn't have to deal with spam at all. So yes, why not blame AOL for spam, they were the pioneers. Other than AOL, most on the net felt a certain sense of responsability for keeping newsgroups on-topic and finding out the ground rules BEFORE posting.

    Usenet just kind of went to hell and got replaced by mailing lists, and finally, once major ISPs started rumbling about blackholing AOL, they did something about email spam (and promptly overcompensated).

  192. IBM Deathstar 75GXP by jgiam · · Score: 1

    I'm glad the IBM Deathstar 75GXP was included. Too bad I'm in Singapore and wasn't applicable for the class action suit. The 75GXP caused tremendous pain and effort over roughly a period of one year, where my 75GB drive (considered very, very huge then) was practically useless since I could not store much data in it, for fear of the Click Of Death. I must have gone through at least four 75GXPs, even going straight to the IBM office. You know how the problem ended? When I asked for my 75GXP to be changed to the 120GXP model.

  193. Re:Zip drives... anyone remember "SyQuest"? by RailRide · · Score: 1
    I also have a parallel port Zip in perfect working order, and a SCSI Zip 100, SCSI Jaz 1GB and SCSI Jaz 2GB stacked up and daisy-chained to my old P2 laptop which now mainly sits and idles on a desk, waiting for Thunderbird to discover new messages in my Inbox.

    I've only screwed up one Jaz disk, and I think that was a consequence of doing something I shouldn't--i.e. attempting to play a MP3 off one of the involved drives while doing a mass copy between a Zip and Jaz. It probably was a once-in-a-blue moon hardware slipup, but I don't try to push the envelope anymore when working with them (which isn't often anymore, owing to the semi-retired nature of the machine they're married to). Other than that, I've had no problem with them (although I understand that recently-produced Zip disks aren't as long-lived as their first-gen counterparts, hardware failures excluded).

    ---PCJ

  194. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    I guess you weren't there or just don't remember when AOL connected to the Internet.

    I remember them quite well. I go back to the 300 baud days on a Commodore 64/128. I remember the first services like Compuserv, that only let you get on for 30 minutes a day, and watching text type itself out on my monochrome screen.

    BBSes were NOT one at a time. Plenty were linked up in FIDO or RIME, and other smaller networks.

    Maybe for you, in a large location. I lived in a medium sized rural town. We didn't have our first independant ISP until around 1996. The BBS's that weren't long distance were setup by guys who had an extra computer and phone line, and mostly ran either ACiD art sites, porn sites, or warez sites, or a combination of all there of. The only real use for them was to grab things like freeware and to play door games like Legend of the Red Dragon. And, with only 1 phone line in, all but the long distance phone calls were definately one at a time.

    As for FIDO, it may have been great where you were, but only one board locally had it setup, was rarely updated because it meant using up the dial in number to do it, was a bear to figure out for most users, and pretty useless because the sysop didn't make any effort to give users info to contacting the outside world. Friends and I played around with our own Wildcat BBS for a while, but it was never exciting enough to keep doing.

    As for AOL, one click and I was chatting to people around the world. It was not a tough choice over which to use. I tried Compuserv's CB, and it just wasn't as good imho. I left AOL just after I found a new independant ISP that was far far cheaper to use.

    As I said, maybe this was a bad thing for everyone else, but AOL eclipsed everything else out there in terms of actually being useful. I wouldn't dare use them today, so it's a snapshot in time.

    The point is asking the question of what makes a "worst product of all time". To me, it's how it's changed the world. And, like it or not, the Internet would not have become as popular as fast without AOL. The Internet got a lot of free publicity from them, and it let the average user get online. Make fun of the ALL CAPS people now, but A) that's elitist in that it's the idea that the Internet was some exclusive geek club and B) those people learned about the technology before the rest 99% of the rest of the population and went on to create many of the sites and companies today. I too have felt a bit of the elitist twinge, because I came from the BBS croud, the Tandy croud that had to program their computers from scratch to use them. But, it is elitist none the less.

    Without all those "dumbass n00bs" that were there then and now on cable modems today... It may be the geeks that built the eBays and Amazons, but it's the people who don't even know what Usenet is that spends their money online that is the reason you even have a cable or DSL modem. Companies and investors are not out to build massive infrastructure for a few geeks.

    That's the impact of AOL, because it was the first charge that really got those users online. It let anyone with a computer go out who could get a modem installed to find out what all the fuss was about the "Information Superhighway" politicians and CEOs kept talking about. It wasn't the easiest thing to install or configure, but from my experience, it sure was easier than COMiT or other programs at the time to access BBSs and other services available in my area.

    I'm sorry if others feel it broke the sanctity of their little clubs. Yeah, damn AOLers, they completely ruined alt.fetish. ;)

    People blame AOL because of the types of users. Whether AOL or another service, they would have eventually gotten online. AOL just did it faster and better than everyone else.

    nobody wanted to wait for images to load

    Good thing services like AOL drove sales for newer and faster connection devices every single year until phone modems gave way to broadban

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  195. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1
    I didn't have to buy floppies for several years due to the AOL carpet bombing.


    I still have code written in the early 90s on my old 386SX-16, on overwritten AOL and CompuSpend floppies. They've been dropped, squashed, left in cars, left in damp storage sheds and otherwise abused, and they still read perfectly. Man, was I pissed off when AOL and CompuServe went to CDs. Still, they were good for hanging up in the garden to scare the birds away from my peas.

    As an aside, why is it that modern floppies only last about two or three uses?

  196. Worst Microsoft Product by Puppet+Master · · Score: 1
    They claim the worst Microsoft product was/is Windows ME???

    No, the worst was when Microsoft combined 3 of their operating systems to create a new product.

    They combined Windows CE, Windows ME, and Windows NT to make:

    Windows CEMENT!

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  197. Re:ZIP's fine. CD drives however... by vtcodger · · Score: 1
    ***But it's not the tape that needs the contract; well not actually a contract as such; it's just the SCSI bus that connects the tape drive and it may look like it but "SCSI is NOT magic. There are fundamental technical reasons why you have to sacrifice a virgin goat to your SCSI chain every now and then."***

    A reasonable assumption, but no, in my case it was the drives. The heads quit reading and defied cleaning (I'm not a total stranger to cleaning helical heads. I kept a couple of VCRs going for a decade with cleaning tapes and an occasional manual cleaning).

    You're right that SCSI is not magic. It's not engineering either as far as I can see. I really tried to take the technology seriously, but my experience was that SCSI problems usually defied rational analysis -- at least by me. Disconcertingly, what most often worked to solve them was experimenting with illegal terminator configurations until one worked. Occasionally tinkering with totally incomprehensible, poorly documented, SCSI BIOS settings helped also.

    Will a goat fit through the tiny door of those tape drives? Never occurred to me to try.

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  198. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by sjames · · Score: 1

    As for FIDO, it may have been great where you were, but only one board locally had it setup, was rarely updated because it meant using up the dial in number to do it, was a bear to figure out for most users, and pretty useless because the sysop didn't make any effort to give users info to contacting the outside world. Friends and I played around with our own Wildcat BBS for a while, but it was never exciting enough to keep doing.

    There wasn't a fido node local to me either, but I had PC pursuit and a script to control the rv modem at the other end. Eventually, someone opened a RIME BBS locally.

    It's not so much about bashing the n00bs as it is AOL tended to host 'perminant n00bs', those who simply didn't change no matter how many times someone said 'please do not post in all caps'.

    AOL wasn't necessary to drive increased connection speeds at the time. Other ISPs were doing just fine with that. By the time DSL and cable connections were being rolled out everyone and his dog was a 'national ISP'. mostly through outsource dialup providers like megapop. All of that would have happened just fine without AOL.

    In short, without AOL general access to the net would probably have been delayed by 6 months to a year but spam, the ruin of usenet, and other such sins might have been delayed by several years. Other ISPs were busy expanding their availability and somehow managed not to bring the same problems as AOL. Perhaps it's just that they had real admins who cared about the net and actually would track down SPAM and present new users with a simple guide to nettiquit before they went out and annoyed the world.

    It's not elitist to expect people to behave in a non-disruptive manner, especially after telling them politely what is expected. Every single person who was on the 'net before AOL was also a n00b at one time and every one of them managed to learn 'the rules' readily enough. Most of them simply lurked for a week or so to get some idea of what was expected first. AOL certainly could have helped their customers a bit more by having them read a bit of introductory help before dumping them into newsgroups.

    Even back in the BBS days, there were MANY people on there who didn't know much about computers. They borrowed someone elses at first, then got their own and some help setting up terminal software and a modem.

    By the time AOL came out we were well past the point where you got online by using whatever crappy terminal that came with the modem (or rolled your own) just long enough to download Telix and/or PhoneMan.

    Popularity does NOT mean a product is good. Everyone had an 8-track in the '70s too. Like the 8-track, a few years worth of perspective informs us that we would have been better off without AOL. Plenty of others would have done a much better job.

  199. Fossil Abacus by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

    As an aside, I would like to inquire about your honest opinion about the Fossil Abacus. The reason I ask is that I have been looking for an effective replacement for my PDA (first a Palm-III, then a Psion Revo ... and finally a tiny paper notebook).

    So, are they any good in daily use? Stability? Battery life? Does data die when the battery runs low? What OS/apps do you (can it) connect to?

  200. Re:Bad tech? Nah... by bjb · · Score: 1
    I still have code written in the early 90s on my old 386SX-16, on overwritten AOL and CompuSpend floppies. They've been dropped, squashed, left in cars, left in damp storage sheds and otherwise abused, and they still read perfectly.

    I hope you have at least backed up the ones that you care about!

    I'm not sure when the change happened, but the quality of floppy disks dropped dramatically around 1994 or so. Of course, AOL and CompuServe bought the cheapest disks they could for the home mailers - they only had to be good enough to install once on your PC or Mac, and then they were as good as landfill. I worked at a university lab in the mid 1990's and I can't tell you how many people lost hours of work because they relied on these garbage floppies.

    Then again, I still have an original set of AOL 1.0 5.25" disks for the Apple II that still work :) (yes, they're original, for "beta testers" of AppleLink, complete with original packaging, postage and letter saying "Hi, we're now AOL!". No, they're not for sale)

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  201. [OT] Disk life, was Re:Bad tech? Nah... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    I have 22-year-old 400k Ensoniq Mirage floppies that are just fine, and 8" PDP11 floppies (RX02) that are just fine. WTF gives?

  202. Re:Zip drives... anyone remember "SyQuest"? by Warlock7 · · Score: 1

    SyQuest had a great rebate offer on their SyJet drives. They had 1.5GB cartridges when Zip was only 100MB and my machine had a 500MB hard drive. Well, they went bankrupt and out of business before I ever got my rebate check, dirty bastards. Now I can no longer use the thing with any machine/OS as the drivers don't work with OS 9 anymore and I have about 10 inaccessible cartridges sitting in a pile in a corner along with the drive.

    Sometimes I fantasize that someday somebody will write drivers for OS X that will allow me to pull my data off them.

    I don't understand how they still have a website after all this time...

  203. Great... a Dupe! by stuffman64 · · Score: 1

    So what's the first story I see with Slashdot's new layout? A dupe!

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  204. Craigslist.org by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Honestly? top 100 technology? When did a crappy cluttered website become a technology product? Why do people care about this website? Its just one of these buzz sites that everybody talks about, but a limited few really uses. Sorry, if I was writting an article about how NOT to write a website, craigslist.org would be at the top. For online classifieds, even newcomer Kijiji.com is infinitly more well designed then this crap site. For a blog site, myspace ranks far higher then craigslist.org.

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