Ah yes, I'm well aware that there are major changes coming up under the hood that are already made possibly by the new technology being used, but I'm talking more about... more about the GUI aspect of things first off, since this is a GUI article, but also about how there are no solid plans for anything related to KDE4 as far as I can tell. Plasma is going to revolutionize the desktop, Phonon will usher in "a new era of writing multimedia-enabled applications in KDE". Look, I'm ready to accept this and listen to their ideas and also see it put into action, but we've been talking about these things for a long time and as far as I know there aren't even any QT4 apps of import right now outside of what little bit works with KDE thus far.
I guess I just worry because I want to see everything they say happen and I've always been impatient. But when this Release Plan is so sparse on the details, it doesn't help things with me.:)
Good luck KDE, may your v4 rock the socks off of the mockups and competition.
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I say this as a KDE enthusiast who has a background with being in love with GNOME: How come no mockups like the ones you linked and the ones found on many many other places online have not been adopted yet into KDE4? Matter of fact, why is it that KDE4 and QT4 itself chugging along at such a slow pace? I guess I should be grateful that KDE3 is still seeing so much attention to detail, because it's only recently been able to woo me away from my GNOME desktop.
Also, I have to respectfully disagree with the usefulness and attractiveness of those mockups. The first I can't even figure out. This is an overcomplication of the desktop idea, in my opinion. A taskbar doesn't need to display any of that information, and that task basket seems like a solution in search of a problem. For the second one, well, I dunno, I've been with a setup similar to that for a long time on my Linux boxes, except for the blueness... Call me crazy but I like and always have enjoyed how Konqueror looks in the first place, and I have very rarely seen a mockup that improves upon its interface. KDE-Look has a lot to browse through. A lot of mockups I see around are basically trying to make Konqueror look like Xandros File Manager, which in turn looks a lot like Explorer.
But yeah, like I was saying: There has been no actual work yet that makes KDE4 any different visually than KDE3, or if there is, I sure as hell havn't found any screenshots.
On your first point, I elaborated elsewhere on my own personal blog yesterday about the Gentoo GUI Installer and what I feel about it.
First, the GUI installer stole my lunchmoney thing. I would counter that you shouldnt be using software thats only at 0.4 (There are some exceptions to be made where its something thats nowhere near as complex as an installer app), but thats your choice, thats your perogative if youre unwilling to simply do things manually and have it take a little bit longer. A stage3 to installed Gentoo LiveCD image doesnt take any more than a day on modern hardware. Two to three on older hardware, and longer on extremely old hardware that you just plain shouldnt be running a source-based distro on if its your main machine. The stage3 is the Gentoo LiveCD image install minus X, KDE, GNOME and the branding. Out of those three, X takes the least amount of time to compile, GNOME takes a bit more and KDE is the big kahuna that I always save for last, sometimes at a really low nice level so it doesnt interfere, but that hasnt been a problem for a while since the 2.6 kernel just responds better, especially with the CFQ scheduler that the gentoo-sources kernel has defaulted to for a while now. If the GUI installer gives you problems, dont be afraid now to do a manual install because quite frankly its stuff youll be doing anyways once the system is up and running.
I agree they should stop recommending the installer, immediately, in all documentation including the Gentoo Handbook. It's not tested well enough and has caused enough grief in the community. I understand they probably did it for wider testing, but in my opinion that's not a good enough reason for the flak it's drawn.
I don't want to get into an argument about GRUB because frankly I understand where you're coming from about it, but I didn't really try to imply GRUB was perfect for every situation, which is why LiLo is supported on Gentoo and most other distributions. Peace.
And wow, I stand corrected on WMP 9's mp3 support. Surprised I forgot about that considering 56kbps is hardly what I would call even approaching radio quality. Oh well. Still not sure about 7.1 though.
Windows Media Player 10 supports far higher bitrates than 56kbps. See here. You might be thinking of Windows Media Player 7.1 or something like that, because WMP 9 didn't even support mp3 at all, not sure if 7.1 did either. Anyways, it doesn't hurt to know what you're talking about.
The GPM thing is rather odd, I've never had any problems with GPM except I sometimes have to restart the service when it decides it just wants to not work, but preventing an install? Very strange indeed because this would be a problem with the GUI installer and something I would think they'd know about. Did you search on bugzilla at all?
GRUB panics don't appear out of thin air, so if your GRUB was doing that there was some problem in the configuration. Are you aware with how GRUB works? The way it addresses partitions/hard disks is pretty weird at first.
I don't know about discrepancies between the online handbook and the one provided on the CD/DVD, but I would guess that the CD/DVD has the installation docs, not the Gentoo Handbook (There is a difference), and I have a hard time myself finding the installation docs on the website, they seem to be pushing the Handbook since around 2005.0. Different and wrong seems weird too because, well, the Gentoo installation process hasn't changed much at all since I've been using it consistently when I got sick of Slackware back before 10.0 came out. An old/incorrect profile right after installation? Sounds like there was an issue with how the system was setup, like an old stage3 tarball for possibly an incorrect architecture was obtained. Can't find anything out about your access violations either, but I'll take your word on it because hey, I've been hit by that problem before once or twice but the issue was resolved in a timely manner and I did my searches on bugzilla and the forums.
Seriously, I'm not trying to rag on anyone, yourself included, when I say this, but I really don't think Gentoo was the right distribution for you if you have so many problems with it just getting the system up and running. It's great that it gives you so much control, but you need to understand what you're doing and have the ability to do some problem solving.
P.S. -- While I have been using Gentoo consistently for quite some time now, this current installation is not the same one that I had back in the day, especially since I moved over to amd64 when I bought my processor. However, I can attest to the fact that the guidelines for how to perform an installation has not changed. The only difference you will notice in the Handbook today and the installation docs of the past is that stage1 and stage2 installations are not recommended anymore, and maybe some updates about devfs/udev and the addition of genkernel directions. Of course, I didn't look any further in the Handbook than the installation, since I kinda just learned as I went with portage and the like, as well as lurking on the forums for hot tips on things. Also, Debian is a great distribution and deserves all the props it gets, especially for how staunch they are on the positions they do take.
One nitpick: For their own personal benefit? These guys weren't selling this mod and making money off it as far as I can tell. And while they are fully within their rights to demand this sort of thing, it's not really necessary at all, and they could've even offered them a license. Oh well, I just wish they would change the mod instead of scrapping it altogether, it looks like it had a lot of promise. Hell, they could've even attempted to buy out the development team and product if it turned into something they really liked. Isn't that what happened with Counter-Strike?
Just kinda sad to see companies losing sight of the bigger picture -- Developing a lasting community around your game (or universe) that creates a melting pot of ideas.
That's how I view the Iran situation. Let them pursue their "peaceful" ambitions (Yeah, I'm sure, but pre-emptive warfare is bullshit), but as soon as they slip they're going to get it, and hard. Listening to their president is enough to make me puke from the rhetoric, especially regarding Hezbollah, and I find it difficult to believe someone could bother me more than Bush when they open their mouth. Same arrogant asshole, different place 'n face.
Looks like you don't know how HIV works if you think 5 years is plenty of time to say that guy is all in the clear.
Here is a page with some details, but I'll snip out the important part that I thought was common knowledge to anyone who had done any sort of rudimentary research into this topic.
It has a long incubation period. Persons who are infected by the virus may have many years of productive normal life, although they can infect others during this period. It is not certain how long this latent period is; estimates range from five to fifteen years, with the shorter period being found in the developing world, where people are less healthy and well nourished. It is known that good health and nutrition, and early treatment of opportunistic infections, will extend the period of healthy and productive life. Unfortunately infected children will, for the most part, die before their fifth birthdays.
Quite frankly fives years ain't jack, especially if you're a healthy specimen in the first place. Sorry, not convinced, even if the website you continually link to in almost every comment on this thread has supporting statements from various experts. People can be wrong and very often are, no matter what background they come from, and people can very often have underlying reasons to say what they do (I'm not saying anyone there has such incentives, I'm simply saying that it's a very bad idea to just say oh that guy's an 'expert', he must know what he's talking about!).
Jesus Christ did someone shit in your corn flakes this morning? You completely missed the point of everything he was trying to say, let's assume you simply misunderstood.
What, a meth dealer can't read a map? There is some kind of magical wall that keeps them in the bad neighbourhoods? Grow up.
He was getting the point across that cops ultimately have a safe haven that they can always rely on to go home to at the end of the day, they have that anchor and are not stuck in the middle of a warzone at all times like a person in the armed forces currently serving on the front. Nevermind the fact that the enemies people in the military come across almost without doubt want the soldier dead, and with cops at least you have variance with the people you have to deal with in the line of duty. Nobody was saying cops live in the nice cushy neighborhoods, the salaries usually don't pay that well by far.
Pretty much, yeah. Like for example when invading another country. Just walk over the borders until they start shooting you. What planet are you from again?
It's hard to believe you're not just trying to be an asshole with a statement like this, and I'm far from a supporter of the current military actions our government is involved in. Shoot first and ask questions later is landing lots of soldiers in serious trouble these days, and rightfully so when you're in a combat zone as difficult to manuever as the ones we're getting ourselves stuck into. The enemy wears no standard uniform, and one second that apparently peaceful civilian walking past you might suddenly shift in the next second to the enemy trying to take your head off with his AK. Instead of getting political about this, why not focus on the actual issue being discussed?
Just Like Nam Baby! Your whining about professionalism is rich in the face of the daily atrocities, innocents and children killed by US troops, not to mention the whole bullshit war in the first place. I hope you enjoy fighting for uncle george the second, because he sure as hell supports the troops making him and his cronies rich! Why he should be on his third mansion any time now. How are those turirists doing? Who cares?
Drawing such large blanket statements really is telling about just how willing you are to discard logic and the fact that most of the people in the military are doing the best job they can given the situation they're in. You're getting emotional over something that had no place in the original conversation, and you're obviously trying to stir the military man, which, to be frank, is disgusting and of very low class. Again, I hate Bush, the current administration, and a lot of what America is starting to stand for, and I probably see things very differently from this guy. You on the other hand seem to simply be concerned with spitting hate and vitriol, rather than actual constructive discussion about it (Nevermind it doesn't belong in a discussion about this article).
Woo, good retort, I guess the ol' boot camp training isn't up to much in the arena of intellectual debate, eh? For what its worth, you are a product.
Maybe if you re-read your posts anytime in the future you'll realize that you're the one who's the product, taking the ultra-liberal-without-a-cause thing way too far and becoming just as mindless as the people that we both likely share a great distaste for. You're in need of some serious maturity because this baiting of emotions you're attempting is anything but.
Frankly I don't care about you, and I wouldn't bat an eyelid if you dropped dead tomorrow. However, your argument, although impassioned, is completely wrong, since you have no idea what you are burbling about. So you got called on it, and now you are coming back in true military style, all guns blazing, on a hiding to nothing.
You probably should've taken the time in school to enter into at the
You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason...
Maybe if this administration was a little more well-liked they'd be able to convince people that the leaking of it's shortcomings and bastardization of the law(s) of the land was a real threat. As it stands, the only thing these leaks are doing is proving to your average American that, hey, Bush really is the bastard the ultra-liberals decried him as in the first place.
Have you ever used Debian, Ubuntu or a distribution derived from either of those? Are you aware of the fact that apt-get and Synaptic allow for obtaining source packages with little hassle?
If you havn't used it then you're a fool ranting about things you don't know at all (It would be like me making the same accusation of Linspire, having never used their distribution in the least) and should really just leave the discussion to the people who actually are in the know. If you have used it then you're a fool that doesn't seem to have any idea how things work in the distribution. How much more obvious a location for the source packages than the very goddamn repository that contains every other package for the distribution? Pull your head out of your ass.
Quite frankly the first thing a troll does is say that the proof, the evidence that their malcontent is justified, is not really important, it's the big picture, a pathetic attempt to dispell their attempts at rabblerousing. That is exactly what's happened here. If the guy would have proved to us that hey these Ubuntu devs (Nevermind that simply having someone respond to you in a negative fashion in a distributions forums does not mean that the developers of the distribution are endorsing someone being a jackoff to you) are being a bunch of jerks, then he would have had the support of every rationally-minded individual here. Hell, I would have removed the Ubuntu installation I recently helped a friend of mine obtain and recommended him a different one. I would have lost interest in the project myself and stopped recommending it over others. The fact of the matter is that he has no proof of this altercation because it never happened, looking only to get a rise out of people. That, my friend, is trolling at it's finest.
Nevermind that this entire case seems entirely rediculous assuming he is telling the truth. If he had no network access how was he making the inquiries? If he had no network access how were the Ubuntu devs supposed to get the source available to him? Ah but wait they've already thought of that much like every other major Linux distributor! If you need the source code on CD for anything in Ubuntu, you can contact Canonical themselves and have them send you physical media with the sources, for the cost of shipping and handling.
If he was paraphrasing, that's a really nice way to do so. I could paraphrase by saying my mother told me to fuck off by not getting me the toy I asked for in the store, when in fact she really said something entirely different but to the same overall effect in my eyes. Anyways, this is stupid. Take a look at the Download page for Ubuntu Linux at the official website. Or if you're too lazy, here's the snippet that's important with slight modification to make it post right in HTML formatting:
Source code
In accordance with our philosophy and licensing guidelines, source code is made available for all packages in Ubuntu. It can be browsed and downloaded from our archive. Alternatively, one can easily retrieve source code from an networked Ubuntu system by using a terminal to run the command "apt-get source package" where package is the name of the source package that you would like to download and unpack.
I have Windows XP, Vista Beta 2, and Gentoo Linux all booting on the same machine, but I've followed the generally safe practice of keeping XP on the first partition of the first drive, and having GRUB in the MBR. Once you install Vista alongside an already set-up XP and Linux dual-boot, it only modifies the boot manager Windows uses. I've successfully removed Vista just fine w/o having to mess with the changes it made to the boot manager, so the only inconvenience I have (Until I edit the config for the bootloader) is that when I tell GRUB to boot my WinXP partition, it loads the MS boot manager and I have to select Previous Windows Installation or some such since it defaults to the Vista that's not there anymore.
Not something for novices, probably, but it works just fine.
P.S. -- The reason I say the Vista that's not there anymore is because I'm in the process of trying to download the public release. Servers are so swamped right now I doubt I'll get it anytime today, which is why I'm taking the opportunity to freshen my Gentoo whilst at work.:(
I'm extremely curious how the parent poster got modded as Flamebait when the point is perfectly valid. Don't like how your ATI card doesn't support the features in Linux it does in Windows? Complain to ATI for not devoting sufficient resources to the driver. Same goes with any other device and driver.
I guess some people just don't like to accept the fact that the reason their hardware ends up sucking in certain situations is because they bought their hardware from a manufacturer that doesn't care enough to support it on the platform they're trying to use. Can't just be silently bitter (Or at least bitter at the responsible parties) about wasting money on the card, gotta go and sling mud as well, I guess.
I've used plenty of onboard video solutions and they are all horrible compared to even the cheapest of NVidia's or ATI's offerings. And contrary to your belief, I'm not sacrificing any freedom by not being able to modify the source of a driver especially when I personally have no capabilities to do so if I were so inclined, being a casual computer user.
I use Windows when I need to play a Windows game, but that doesn't mean I want my desktop in Linux to be hobbled because someone thinks it's a cardinal sin to taint the kernel. Quite frankly, your maturity shows when you can't even be bothered to get an idea of what I'm talking about and stoop to such pettyness as "Oh what the hey is you talkin' about with this crazy three-dee pinball and glquake". Google is a magnificent tool and takes merely a minute, but instead you opt to look like a victorious smartass in your eyes and a doofus in the eyes of everyone else. In summary, yes, I have checked. Yes, I do know for certain. And it's common sense for Pete's sake that onboard video is going to suck hard compared to a full-blown and fully featured dedicated video card. It just so happens that for good 3D performance you need a NVidia or ATI solution.
I would think someone like yourself has a grasp of the concept of dual-booting. Talk all you want about freedom in the Linux/FOSS world, but like I said, it's a matter of practicality to understand that for whatever reason(s) these companies have they aren't interested in a community-driven development effort that would result from open-sourcing. Most people don't use Linux because of the GPL philosophy (And a prime example of a pragamatist spearheading the whole thing is Linus himself), most people use Linux because it's the right tool for one or more particular jobs. That and I love seeing the ideas that an open development process can possibly bring in with regards to desktop environments, utility applications, and a lot of other stuff. I hate being general but stuff is really the best word substitute for a long list.
That's cool, I'm sure you're having lots of fun playing stuff like GLQuake on your integrated video. Most people would rather play the modern games they paid hard-earned money for. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have open source drivers that give decent hardware accelerated 3D performance, but I'd also really like to play games that take more than your standard 3D pinball game.
To be clear I don't and never have had a problem with KDE. Got me on libreadline though, I don't really mind that the people who created it wanted it under that license. The rest of the world including myself is free to develop an alternative the need should arise, and it's not like the wheel has never been reinvented before.
Bottom line: Is KDE good for new users? Yes, and so is GNOME. It's just that GNOME ships in a much leaner state than KDE (Not mentioning anything about system resource usage) by default, and a lot of people appreciate that.
Written from within Firefox on KDE 3.5.2. Too bad it's still a bit fuzzy with XGL in small ways.:)
How often do you deal with the computer illiterate and have to explain to them how to work their desktop correctly? Not often I'd wager because you'd realize that simplicity is the way to go, and power is being added onto the GNOME/GTK+ platform again as time goes on. The power is simply being placed where it should, within the confines of gconf where power users are free to alter the default behaviors at will, nevermind the options already present in the menus. KDE is overwhelming for the majority of users who simply want to use the computer, not play with their new toy. This is not to say KDE is not right for those people, it's just that KDE can present a significant learning curve. They've got a great toolkit, they've got excellent ideas on how to design user interfaces, and they've got plenty of options -- The problem is that the KDE crew has always had a problem with cramming way too much into way too little space, the KDE Control Center and Application Menu being the greatest offenders throughout the desktop environment's career.
Seriously, when people don't even have a concept of what the toolbar is, simplicity in design and a logical flow is greatly desired. And people wonder why GNOME is making inroads in the business world. Could we please stop acting like there has to be only one?
To be fair the GNOME/GTK+ dialogs have come a long way, and although by default these days they're still pretty bare-bones, with a single click you're given access to a file selector/browser that's by no means a pain in the arse to use compared to KDE's offerings. It's the same debate that's been going on for a long time now -- Do you want the simplicity of GNOME or do you want the power KDE offers with it's bevy of options? I personally switch between both, whenever I feel like it. No less productive for it, either. Is it really that hard to adapt to dialogs of all things? I guess I'm just way too used to being more concerned with the contents of the dialog than the placement of the Yes/OK/Right On button.
That's no task bar. You see the first screenshot? Where they're talking about the Google Web Accelerator? That's Firefox right there, the throbber is unmistakable and I personally use that Accelerator myself in XP, so the GP is correct in his assertion as that's exactly how my browser looks.
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Nice try, better luck next time.
Ah yes, I'm well aware that there are major changes coming up under the hood that are already made possibly by the new technology being used, but I'm talking more about... more about the GUI aspect of things first off, since this is a GUI article, but also about how there are no solid plans for anything related to KDE4 as far as I can tell. Plasma is going to revolutionize the desktop, Phonon will usher in "a new era of writing multimedia-enabled applications in KDE". Look, I'm ready to accept this and listen to their ideas and also see it put into action, but we've been talking about these things for a long time and as far as I know there aren't even any QT4 apps of import right now outside of what little bit works with KDE thus far.
I guess I just worry because I want to see everything they say happen and I've always been impatient. But when this Release Plan is so sparse on the details, it doesn't help things with me. :)
Good luck KDE, may your v4 rock the socks off of the mockups and competition.
I say this as a KDE enthusiast who has a background with being in love with GNOME: How come no mockups like the ones you linked and the ones found on many many other places online have not been adopted yet into KDE4? Matter of fact, why is it that KDE4 and QT4 itself chugging along at such a slow pace? I guess I should be grateful that KDE3 is still seeing so much attention to detail, because it's only recently been able to woo me away from my GNOME desktop.
Also, I have to respectfully disagree with the usefulness and attractiveness of those mockups. The first I can't even figure out. This is an overcomplication of the desktop idea, in my opinion. A taskbar doesn't need to display any of that information, and that task basket seems like a solution in search of a problem. For the second one, well, I dunno, I've been with a setup similar to that for a long time on my Linux boxes, except for the blueness... Call me crazy but I like and always have enjoyed how Konqueror looks in the first place, and I have very rarely seen a mockup that improves upon its interface. KDE-Look has a lot to browse through. A lot of mockups I see around are basically trying to make Konqueror look like Xandros File Manager, which in turn looks a lot like Explorer.
But yeah, like I was saying: There has been no actual work yet that makes KDE4 any different visually than KDE3, or if there is, I sure as hell havn't found any screenshots.
On your first point, I elaborated elsewhere on my own personal blog yesterday about the Gentoo GUI Installer and what I feel about it.
I agree they should stop recommending the installer, immediately, in all documentation including the Gentoo Handbook. It's not tested well enough and has caused enough grief in the community. I understand they probably did it for wider testing, but in my opinion that's not a good enough reason for the flak it's drawn.
I don't want to get into an argument about GRUB because frankly I understand where you're coming from about it, but I didn't really try to imply GRUB was perfect for every situation, which is why LiLo is supported on Gentoo and most other distributions. Peace.
And wow, I stand corrected on WMP 9's mp3 support. Surprised I forgot about that considering 56kbps is hardly what I would call even approaching radio quality. Oh well. Still not sure about 7.1 though.
Windows Media Player 10 supports far higher bitrates than 56kbps. See here. You might be thinking of Windows Media Player 7.1 or something like that, because WMP 9 didn't even support mp3 at all, not sure if 7.1 did either. Anyways, it doesn't hurt to know what you're talking about.
What is so broken about 2006.1?
The GPM thing is rather odd, I've never had any problems with GPM except I sometimes have to restart the service when it decides it just wants to not work, but preventing an install? Very strange indeed because this would be a problem with the GUI installer and something I would think they'd know about. Did you search on bugzilla at all?
GRUB panics don't appear out of thin air, so if your GRUB was doing that there was some problem in the configuration. Are you aware with how GRUB works? The way it addresses partitions/hard disks is pretty weird at first.
I don't know about discrepancies between the online handbook and the one provided on the CD/DVD, but I would guess that the CD/DVD has the installation docs, not the Gentoo Handbook (There is a difference), and I have a hard time myself finding the installation docs on the website, they seem to be pushing the Handbook since around 2005.0. Different and wrong seems weird too because, well, the Gentoo installation process hasn't changed much at all since I've been using it consistently when I got sick of Slackware back before 10.0 came out. An old/incorrect profile right after installation? Sounds like there was an issue with how the system was setup, like an old stage3 tarball for possibly an incorrect architecture was obtained. Can't find anything out about your access violations either, but I'll take your word on it because hey, I've been hit by that problem before once or twice but the issue was resolved in a timely manner and I did my searches on bugzilla and the forums.
Seriously, I'm not trying to rag on anyone, yourself included, when I say this, but I really don't think Gentoo was the right distribution for you if you have so many problems with it just getting the system up and running. It's great that it gives you so much control, but you need to understand what you're doing and have the ability to do some problem solving.
P.S. -- While I have been using Gentoo consistently for quite some time now, this current installation is not the same one that I had back in the day, especially since I moved over to amd64 when I bought my processor. However, I can attest to the fact that the guidelines for how to perform an installation has not changed. The only difference you will notice in the Handbook today and the installation docs of the past is that stage1 and stage2 installations are not recommended anymore, and maybe some updates about devfs/udev and the addition of genkernel directions. Of course, I didn't look any further in the Handbook than the installation, since I kinda just learned as I went with portage and the like, as well as lurking on the forums for hot tips on things. Also, Debian is a great distribution and deserves all the props it gets, especially for how staunch they are on the positions they do take.
Wow, you're funny.
One nitpick: For their own personal benefit? These guys weren't selling this mod and making money off it as far as I can tell. And while they are fully within their rights to demand this sort of thing, it's not really necessary at all, and they could've even offered them a license. Oh well, I just wish they would change the mod instead of scrapping it altogether, it looks like it had a lot of promise. Hell, they could've even attempted to buy out the development team and product if it turned into something they really liked. Isn't that what happened with Counter-Strike?
Just kinda sad to see companies losing sight of the bigger picture -- Developing a lasting community around your game (or universe) that creates a melting pot of ideas.
For the record, I agree with you.
It would appear that Prio doesn't enjoy an x64 Edition XP environment. Darn, was looking forward to giving it a run. Thanks for the link though.
"We still reserve the right to fuck you up."
That's how I view the Iran situation. Let them pursue their "peaceful" ambitions (Yeah, I'm sure, but pre-emptive warfare is bullshit), but as soon as they slip they're going to get it, and hard. Listening to their president is enough to make me puke from the rhetoric, especially regarding Hezbollah, and I find it difficult to believe someone could bother me more than Bush when they open their mouth. Same arrogant asshole, different place 'n face.
Looks like you don't know how HIV works if you think 5 years is plenty of time to say that guy is all in the clear.
Here is a page with some details, but I'll snip out the important part that I thought was common knowledge to anyone who had done any sort of rudimentary research into this topic.
Quite frankly fives years ain't jack, especially if you're a healthy specimen in the first place. Sorry, not convinced, even if the website you continually link to in almost every comment on this thread has supporting statements from various experts. People can be wrong and very often are, no matter what background they come from, and people can very often have underlying reasons to say what they do (I'm not saying anyone there has such incentives, I'm simply saying that it's a very bad idea to just say oh that guy's an 'expert', he must know what he's talking about!).
Not one but two no-charge support requests?? What a bargain!
Jesus Christ did someone shit in your corn flakes this morning? You completely missed the point of everything he was trying to say, let's assume you simply misunderstood.
He was getting the point across that cops ultimately have a safe haven that they can always rely on to go home to at the end of the day, they have that anchor and are not stuck in the middle of a warzone at all times like a person in the armed forces currently serving on the front. Nevermind the fact that the enemies people in the military come across almost without doubt want the soldier dead, and with cops at least you have variance with the people you have to deal with in the line of duty. Nobody was saying cops live in the nice cushy neighborhoods, the salaries usually don't pay that well by far.
It's hard to believe you're not just trying to be an asshole with a statement like this, and I'm far from a supporter of the current military actions our government is involved in. Shoot first and ask questions later is landing lots of soldiers in serious trouble these days, and rightfully so when you're in a combat zone as difficult to manuever as the ones we're getting ourselves stuck into. The enemy wears no standard uniform, and one second that apparently peaceful civilian walking past you might suddenly shift in the next second to the enemy trying to take your head off with his AK. Instead of getting political about this, why not focus on the actual issue being discussed?
Drawing such large blanket statements really is telling about just how willing you are to discard logic and the fact that most of the people in the military are doing the best job they can given the situation they're in. You're getting emotional over something that had no place in the original conversation, and you're obviously trying to stir the military man, which, to be frank, is disgusting and of very low class. Again, I hate Bush, the current administration, and a lot of what America is starting to stand for, and I probably see things very differently from this guy. You on the other hand seem to simply be concerned with spitting hate and vitriol, rather than actual constructive discussion about it (Nevermind it doesn't belong in a discussion about this article).
Maybe if you re-read your posts anytime in the future you'll realize that you're the one who's the product, taking the ultra-liberal-without-a-cause thing way too far and becoming just as mindless as the people that we both likely share a great distaste for. You're in need of some serious maturity because this baiting of emotions you're attempting is anything but.
You probably should've taken the time in school to enter into at the
You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason...
Maybe if this administration was a little more well-liked they'd be able to convince people that the leaking of it's shortcomings and bastardization of the law(s) of the land was a real threat. As it stands, the only thing these leaks are doing is proving to your average American that, hey, Bush really is the bastard the ultra-liberals decried him as in the first place.
Have you ever used Debian, Ubuntu or a distribution derived from either of those? Are you aware of the fact that apt-get and Synaptic allow for obtaining source packages with little hassle?
If you havn't used it then you're a fool ranting about things you don't know at all (It would be like me making the same accusation of Linspire, having never used their distribution in the least) and should really just leave the discussion to the people who actually are in the know. If you have used it then you're a fool that doesn't seem to have any idea how things work in the distribution. How much more obvious a location for the source packages than the very goddamn repository that contains every other package for the distribution? Pull your head out of your ass.
Quite frankly the first thing a troll does is say that the proof, the evidence that their malcontent is justified, is not really important, it's the big picture, a pathetic attempt to dispell their attempts at rabblerousing. That is exactly what's happened here. If the guy would have proved to us that hey these Ubuntu devs (Nevermind that simply having someone respond to you in a negative fashion in a distributions forums does not mean that the developers of the distribution are endorsing someone being a jackoff to you) are being a bunch of jerks, then he would have had the support of every rationally-minded individual here. Hell, I would have removed the Ubuntu installation I recently helped a friend of mine obtain and recommended him a different one. I would have lost interest in the project myself and stopped recommending it over others. The fact of the matter is that he has no proof of this altercation because it never happened, looking only to get a rise out of people. That, my friend, is trolling at it's finest.
Nevermind that this entire case seems entirely rediculous assuming he is telling the truth. If he had no network access how was he making the inquiries? If he had no network access how were the Ubuntu devs supposed to get the source available to him? Ah but wait they've already thought of that much like every other major Linux distributor! If you need the source code on CD for anything in Ubuntu, you can contact Canonical themselves and have them send you physical media with the sources, for the cost of shipping and handling.
If he was paraphrasing, that's a really nice way to do so. I could paraphrase by saying my mother told me to fuck off by not getting me the toy I asked for in the store, when in fact she really said something entirely different but to the same overall effect in my eyes. Anyways, this is stupid. Take a look at the Download page for Ubuntu Linux at the official website. Or if you're too lazy, here's the snippet that's important with slight modification to make it post right in HTML formatting:
I have Windows XP, Vista Beta 2, and Gentoo Linux all booting on the same machine, but I've followed the generally safe practice of keeping XP on the first partition of the first drive, and having GRUB in the MBR. Once you install Vista alongside an already set-up XP and Linux dual-boot, it only modifies the boot manager Windows uses. I've successfully removed Vista just fine w/o having to mess with the changes it made to the boot manager, so the only inconvenience I have (Until I edit the config for the bootloader) is that when I tell GRUB to boot my WinXP partition, it loads the MS boot manager and I have to select Previous Windows Installation or some such since it defaults to the Vista that's not there anymore.
Not something for novices, probably, but it works just fine.
P.S. -- The reason I say the Vista that's not there anymore is because I'm in the process of trying to download the public release. Servers are so swamped right now I doubt I'll get it anytime today, which is why I'm taking the opportunity to freshen my Gentoo whilst at work. :(
I'm extremely curious how the parent poster got modded as Flamebait when the point is perfectly valid. Don't like how your ATI card doesn't support the features in Linux it does in Windows? Complain to ATI for not devoting sufficient resources to the driver. Same goes with any other device and driver.
I guess some people just don't like to accept the fact that the reason their hardware ends up sucking in certain situations is because they bought their hardware from a manufacturer that doesn't care enough to support it on the platform they're trying to use. Can't just be silently bitter (Or at least bitter at the responsible parties) about wasting money on the card, gotta go and sling mud as well, I guess.
I've used plenty of onboard video solutions and they are all horrible compared to even the cheapest of NVidia's or ATI's offerings. And contrary to your belief, I'm not sacrificing any freedom by not being able to modify the source of a driver especially when I personally have no capabilities to do so if I were so inclined, being a casual computer user.
I use Windows when I need to play a Windows game, but that doesn't mean I want my desktop in Linux to be hobbled because someone thinks it's a cardinal sin to taint the kernel. Quite frankly, your maturity shows when you can't even be bothered to get an idea of what I'm talking about and stoop to such pettyness as "Oh what the hey is you talkin' about with this crazy three-dee pinball and glquake". Google is a magnificent tool and takes merely a minute, but instead you opt to look like a victorious smartass in your eyes and a doofus in the eyes of everyone else. In summary, yes, I have checked. Yes, I do know for certain. And it's common sense for Pete's sake that onboard video is going to suck hard compared to a full-blown and fully featured dedicated video card. It just so happens that for good 3D performance you need a NVidia or ATI solution.
I would think someone like yourself has a grasp of the concept of dual-booting. Talk all you want about freedom in the Linux/FOSS world, but like I said, it's a matter of practicality to understand that for whatever reason(s) these companies have they aren't interested in a community-driven development effort that would result from open-sourcing. Most people don't use Linux because of the GPL philosophy (And a prime example of a pragamatist spearheading the whole thing is Linus himself), most people use Linux because it's the right tool for one or more particular jobs. That and I love seeing the ideas that an open development process can possibly bring in with regards to desktop environments, utility applications, and a lot of other stuff. I hate being general but stuff is really the best word substitute for a long list.
That's cool, I'm sure you're having lots of fun playing stuff like GLQuake on your integrated video. Most people would rather play the modern games they paid hard-earned money for. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have open source drivers that give decent hardware accelerated 3D performance, but I'd also really like to play games that take more than your standard 3D pinball game.
Forgive us for being practical.
To be clear I don't and never have had a problem with KDE. Got me on libreadline though, I don't really mind that the people who created it wanted it under that license. The rest of the world including myself is free to develop an alternative the need should arise, and it's not like the wheel has never been reinvented before.
Bottom line: Is KDE good for new users? Yes, and so is GNOME. It's just that GNOME ships in a much leaner state than KDE (Not mentioning anything about system resource usage) by default, and a lot of people appreciate that.
Written from within Firefox on KDE 3.5.2. Too bad it's still a bit fuzzy with XGL in small ways. :)
How often do you deal with the computer illiterate and have to explain to them how to work their desktop correctly? Not often I'd wager because you'd realize that simplicity is the way to go, and power is being added onto the GNOME/GTK+ platform again as time goes on. The power is simply being placed where it should, within the confines of gconf where power users are free to alter the default behaviors at will, nevermind the options already present in the menus. KDE is overwhelming for the majority of users who simply want to use the computer, not play with their new toy. This is not to say KDE is not right for those people, it's just that KDE can present a significant learning curve. They've got a great toolkit, they've got excellent ideas on how to design user interfaces, and they've got plenty of options -- The problem is that the KDE crew has always had a problem with cramming way too much into way too little space, the KDE Control Center and Application Menu being the greatest offenders throughout the desktop environment's career.
Seriously, when people don't even have a concept of what the toolbar is, simplicity in design and a logical flow is greatly desired. And people wonder why GNOME is making inroads in the business world. Could we please stop acting like there has to be only one?
To be fair the GNOME/GTK+ dialogs have come a long way, and although by default these days they're still pretty bare-bones, with a single click you're given access to a file selector/browser that's by no means a pain in the arse to use compared to KDE's offerings. It's the same debate that's been going on for a long time now -- Do you want the simplicity of GNOME or do you want the power KDE offers with it's bevy of options? I personally switch between both, whenever I feel like it. No less productive for it, either. Is it really that hard to adapt to dialogs of all things? I guess I'm just way too used to being more concerned with the contents of the dialog than the placement of the Yes/OK/Right On button.
That's no task bar. You see the first screenshot? Where they're talking about the Google Web Accelerator? That's Firefox right there, the throbber is unmistakable and I personally use that Accelerator myself in XP, so the GP is correct in his assertion as that's exactly how my browser looks.
Talk about a minute detail to spot though, heh.