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New Enterprise-Level Ubuntu Due This Week
daria42 writes "According to Ubuntu's official release schedule, the next version of its Linux distribution, code-named "Dapper Drake" is due to be released this week, June 1 to be precise. This landmark release will be supported for 5 years (previous versions were only supported for 18 months) and is being touted as ready for enterprise use." From the article: "Dapper Drake will be supported for three years for the desktop version and five years for servers, compared to 18 months for the current 5.10 'Breezy Badger' version. The code release will come after the development process was extended by six weeks in order to improve the reliability of the software."
Is this a first post?
It's the 1st Linux both my PC and my laptop accepted without a hitch during install or usage (past month or so). Bluetooth, Wireless connection, Printer HP PSC 2175 (with built-in scanner), wireless mouse (MX 7000), wireless keyboard, Multimedia keys and hibernate/resume all worked out of the box. Firefox as default browser is very nice. Ubuntu did what several redhat and suse installs didn't do: got me away from XP with a SMILE! *does happy dance*
Reminds me of something Jeff Waugh had to say.
I recently gave Kubuntu Dapper a spin and I really liked what I saw.
I also don't remember running into any major problems, so perhaps you could enlighten us about the problems you encountered?
Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong saying this!! I think you've misunderstood the term enterprise, in this contex. Ubuntu Dapper is 100% free, open source software. No propriety 'enterprise' ties (in that sense of the word). It's stable (like Debian Sarge), reliable and comes with everything you'd need, and it's gunna be supported for 5 years, much like RHEL does, which is VERY important to enterprises/businesses etc. I dunno about you, but I don't see how that can really be a bad thing?
I think therefore I am... a Linux geek.
3 years support for something that is completely free, you can't easily see that anywhere else! Go Linux! I will try to push Linux here.
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So, six weeks is all it takes to make something enterprise-grade?
You got 'Breezy Badger' and 'Dapper Drake', but where's 'Crazy Crapper'?
It's actually only supported for 3 years for the desktop version - it's the server version which is supported for 5 years. Still, it's a decent length of time, and it's sure to appeal to businesses.
With all due respect to Dapper (and a well-deserved one, I'm running it right now and it works fantastically), how is this news? So it will be out in a week - it was known. Don't understand me wrong. The *NEWS* about it getting delayed was news. The *MORE OR LESS NEWS* about it on the release day is news. But this is just publishing a countdown - what will be next? 5 days to Dapper, 4 days to Dapper, ... articles?
And again, this is a very fine Linux distro, which deserves a lot of coverage... but come on!
Ah. XP. In case you're missing it, I've just installed the free VmWare Server Beta http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ on Dapper (AMD64), and am ?happily? running XP on it, mostly for running ham radio programs. I'm also going to set up a 32 bit Dapper VM for those few progs that don't compile or run well on the 64 bit platform.
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So far, so good. BTW, anyone trying to configure software RAID for their Dapper BETA install, you need to use the alternative install CD image, for the old-style install routine (no live disk built-in). A useful guide is here for setting up a RAID1 configuration
http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.ht
Enjoy...
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
Forgot Nelson Mandela and all those other South African icons. Shuttleworth is the man.
And we'll be deploying it, automatically, to around 400 workstations, which will be switched on, and running Win XP, all without any manual intervention. And they'll dual boot (Windows/Linux!) afterwards. Which is nice. Eat your heart out FAI. :)
Oh, and it works nicely under VPC, apart from needing to rebuild the kernel so that the timer tick runs at 100Hz, instead of 1000Hz. Which is also nice.
I may have been drunk when I wrote this.
In my opinion Dapper shouldn't be released yet. I've installed it on two computers and had serious problems on both, and that was using the release candidate that came out just 8 days or so before the final release date of June 1.
I know almost all non-trivial software has bugs, but I'm really worried about Dapper's quality. It's not up to Ubuntu's typical standards. Of course, different people have different experiences with it and can over-generalize their experience to what all users will experience. But if you look at Dapper's bug database, the number of open bugs with non-trivial priority levels is scary. I really hope Ubuntu's great reputation isn't dinged by an overly aggresive release plan.
I don't really understand why ubuntu are making an 'enterprise' version. I thought the whole point of ubuntu was to get a fairly package-stable version of debian that was up-to-date so funky new desktop apps would have a nice home to live in. Great for home users and for pinching market share from other operating systems, but would you take newness over proven reliability for work? The debian release schedule (or lack thereof) seems perfectly suited to business needs to me. So wots it all about then?
The fact is Kubuntu is /specifically/ for users who perfer KDE over Gnome, which is standard for a desktop install of Ubuntu-BB, otherwise why download and use the Kubuntu package?
I thought since discovering Ubuntu that it is really quite User-friendly. 1 CD gets you up and running to experence GNU/Linux. The only problem is Installing and running into errors doesn't tell a new user where to look for logs and what exactly is wrong. It isn't a graphical installer (yet), but it is still not too hard to figure out.
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I happen to test around several boot problems the last few weeks I've summarized just here
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http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1062
Since these boot problems are quite difficult and probably mean a no go for anybody not a though expert I really hope they were fixed before release. It probably means another delay for a few days but think it's worth.
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See http://wyoguide.sf.net/papers/Cross-platform.html
I tried out Flight 7 on my PowerBook when it was released earlier this month, and it was a little buggy. The trackpad response was s-l-o-w and altering the mouse speed and sensitivity accomplished nothing to solve the problem - I had to plug in my USB trackball to make it useable. Any ideas?
I didn't go onto any networks when I tested, but does anyone know if there'll be support for WPA wireless encryption anytime soon? WEP doesn't cut it at my office, and Ubuntu 5.10 (current stable) doesn't offer any other type.
Other than those problems, this is great news! I wasn't expecting a new Ubuntu until August! GNOME's new Spotlight-killer is fantastic (especially since Linux filesystem is *that* much faster than Mac journaled) and the UI looks a lot cleaner.
...and tell him how to get his own /. username so he can stop posting "AC"?
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Dapper 6.06 LTS Release Candidate is available now for download. This is very close to the final release & definitely worth checking out if you're impatient (3 days IS a long time!) http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/
It's not nearly as polished as GNOME in Ubuntu... perhaps it's just KDE, I haven't been using it for long. GNOME just seems smoother and more tweaked than KDE.
Is it the 5 years of bug fixes and security patches? I can see the advantage of that, but conversely debian stable with apt-pinning should be able to achieve keeping critical packages safe while upgrading the rest of the system for securtiy, speed, or features.
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"The code release will come after the development process was extended by six weeks in order to improve the reliability of the software."
I've been using Dapper Drake since March, and I've had fewer problems with the betas than I have with stable releases from other distros (Gentoo I'm looking at you).
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
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...for this Linux flavour of the year to go out of style. Don't Enterprise versions of a Linux distro seal its fate? RedHat, Mandrake, now Ubuntu
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Don't mod me down for speaking the truth.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
I've been running it for months now and the only "problem" I had was the built-in sound chip on my motherboard. I dropped in an old SoundBlaster and everything works fine now.It's kind of hard to "over-generalize" having no problems.
I did file one feature request about their ADOdb package's dependencies and they did modify it. I don't know if that would count as a "problem", but it is been working perfectly for me now.
It can be downloaded here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/dapper/ubuntu-6.06-rc-d esktop-i386.iso
Edit the sources.list file. Put this in it:Run the following commands:
# apt-get update
# apt-get dist-upgrade
Then reboot
Done!
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What about support for wireless and ACPI and external monitor output ???
I've got a HP NX6125 with Broadcom 4318, AMD Turion, Radeon XPress 200M...
Anyone tried those?
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I wouldn't call Ubuntu's release schedule 'aggressive', since other community distributions, namely Fedora and OpenSuse also follow a 6-month-ish schedule. As for stability, the beta version of OpenSuse 10.1 would not install on my laptop, but I've been running Dapper Drake for a month on it, with all the hardware configured correctly. So, from my perspective, Dapper is better.
I point your attention to Bug \#1 from Ubuntu's tracker
I have SuSE Linux "Professional" boxen that I have to maintain from a mirror of SuSE's updates because they dropped active support after 18 months and took the files off of their update servers after 3 years. Given that's less than the mean time between reboots that I'd expect for an enterprise system, that was a big mistake on their part; they'll never get a red cent from me again.
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OS X is certainly the prettiest, most polished OS out there, but my future is Linux, I can feel it. I'm starting to use applications like GIMP, Inkscape, and OpenOffice more and more. I'm slowly switching to OpenSource alternatives to everything. Seashore is great, but doesn't import SVG (or support any) paths and can't be used with UFRaw (my main reason for using GIMP). Picasa isn't Open Source, but it also isn't available on Mac, and I'd love a tool that gives me detailed EXIF data (plus iPhoto 5 is pretty slow and I don't want to pay to upgrade). Inkscape loads very slowly, but performs well once it's open. The latest NeoOffice alpha performs better than OpenOffice 2, and actually supports ODF; I consider that a solution.
Still, I haven't done a crossgrade on my Windows Photoshop CS (at first because I was waiting for a Universal - no point in upgrading to old technology) but also because money's too tight for the spare $175. In the meantime, I'm starting to become more supportive of Photoshop's open source alternatives. Sure, GIMP has no layer effects (yet), but it's catching up very quickly considering how long it's been in development.
What I'd really love to see is an open alternative to Aperture or LightRoom, or even just Picasa. I want to see my EXIF data without loading another application!
I hope "Ubuntu Support" means more than only security updates, like we now have with Debian Stable.
IMHO, Debian sometimes leaves certain packages broken for the sake of stability, which is not always a good thing.
Support means more than security, functionality is also important.
Of course I'm not speaking of newer versions of packages, but more of the full range of bugs that apply to a certain package. Dapper having 5 years support, I also expect more backports to become available.
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Guys, is this serious? An article that Ubuntu is **going** to be released? Is this serious? As someone else said -- as much as I like Ubuntu, it's a little annoying seeing a /. article every time there's a cvs change in Ubuntu, or other useless information (like this one). Why not save it for release date?
So it supports diskless terminals via PXE, centralized authentication and distributed computing out of the box ?
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Ubuntu may have put more effort into modifying GNOME, but most KDE users will tell you that the KDE developers put more work into make KDE more polished and usable than GNOME. Not to troll, but after using KDE for so long, going back and trying to use GNOME (e.g. via a LiveCD while demonstrating for a friend) is crippling. Also, for Windows users, there are themes, settings, and whatnot for KDE to feel just like Windows (except more stable, all the benefits of using Linux and a Unix environment over the Windows kernel and its degrading environment which tends to cancel anything good about the kernel). For example, the level of integration you may have come to expect from Explorer/IE with the desktop environment is reminiscent in Konqueror and the usage of KParts, but it's been done far more securely and sensibly.
'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
Oh come on. In almost EVERY article about something open source someone complains about the naming thing. Good and well, there are some pretty dumb, ugly oder unpronouncable names, but OTOH there are also loads of pretty crappy commercial names, too:
- My life insurance is at Janitos (will they clean my house if I die ? Ok, I am in Germany, but still it sounds more like some room cleaning service like a large insurer.)
- Oh look, that guy is driving a Toyota Aventis and I just bought that new great drug from Avensis, or was it the other way round ?
- The great Borland/Inprise disaster.
- Qimonda, oh yes ! The Hunchback of Notre Dame's wife ! No ? Oh, it's the recent Infineon spinoff, which uses to be Siemens (on of THE German brand names), like those other guys that also used to be Siemens and whose stupid new artificial name I forgot, even if my dad worked for them for 30 years before they became [stupid artificial name]. Something with e, I think.
[To be continued ad nauseam]
So stupid naming is no privilege of Open Source projects, and still those other guys earn shitloads of money.
I am using Dapper Drake on my laptop and it is fine, but overall I think Ubuntu are trying to do too much too quickly. Their resources and manpower are still limited. For example I much prefer xfce to gnome on this machine, but the Ubuntu implementation has a couple of annoying bugs and isn't that well thought out in design terms. It needs a bit more polishing to be truly smooth and slick.
I guess Ubuntu's best work is under the bonnet and unseen, in terms of excellent hardware detection and the smooth integration of kernel modules for wifi and similar things. Impressive, and easy to overlook.
I still prefer Debian and SuSE, though. The things that put me off Ubuntu are the silly names and too much teenage carry-on in the user community, with the fanboys and the peer group stuff. I prefer something well away from all that, and the fanboys haven't helped by raising expectations that will be near impossible to fulfil and creating the feeling (strictly imho) that Ubuntu is somehow a little lightweight and not so serious.
It's always good to see a new ship launched. I guess only time will determine how Ubuntu's hopes for the enterprise pan out. It's a rough, tough market out there.
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For portability. To be used as a programming box perhaps 12-14 inch. To be installed with Dapper. Thoughts?
I find myself boring anybody who will listen with how well printing is supported in this release. What printers are you using? For HP devices I am using both direct print and printing to Windows spoolers, for unsupported devices I am printing both directly to generic postscript and to Windows shares. I am connecting without problems to Win 2000 and XP servers and workstations including VMWare instances. What exactly is the issue?
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is there a painless migration utility or method to migrate our obsolete FC2 server s to this fine new release??
Ah, just like Microsoft Axapta doesn't sell, even though the name sounds like the sound made by a child's toy gun.
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And here I thought that the name *came* from a suit ... and a pretty successfull one, too.
Just out of curiosity, have they sorted out the Ricoh SD card reader issue that they were having with Dell Inspiron 6000s? There was also a problem with the hard disk/optical drive arrangement, too: one of them's PATA and the other is SATA - I don't remember the details of it, but it was a bit of a pig to deal with, last time I used Ubuntu on this laptop; it worked, but it was a bit on the sluggish side, and it required a lot of kernel patching/alteration.
Other than that, I am looking forward to seeing how this one turns out. The 3-year support is a good move, as well. Let's just hope that it doesn't mean that they grind down to debian's release cycle.
http://xkcd.com/313/
- Mercedes - giving a car a girl's name
- Cadillac - doesn't sound like anything
- MAAPICS - pictures of Mars?
- Virgin - you have to be joking
- Starbucks - first mate on a whaler?
- Kodak - deliberately doesn't sound like anything
Brand names acquire legitimacy through the associations that cluster around them, and not vice versa.If Ubuntu succeeds in the market, it will be because of positive associations that will eventually get Joe Public aware of the name. The psychologists in marketing research already know this. They know that you can even make a brand name out of a grimy, crime ridden northern English city (Manchester United), but if it is then taken over by a US entrepreneur and loses its core values it will quickly start to go down the toilet. The entrepreneur may not know that...in exactly the same way, the associations of Windows are starting to go negative. I am sure there are plenty of researchers in Microsoft who know that, but does the management want to listen? If they don't, in ten years time people will be saying "Windows - what a stupid name for something to do with computers. You might as well call it "plasterboard"."
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now, lets see.. are they going to fix anytime soon tv-out in open source "ati" driver? the proprietary one supports it, though it often crashes esp. with opengl apps. Also with the latest drivers from ati, there is no extended desktop on the tv. I think that playing a movie fullscreen on the tv and doing sth, else on the desktop would be pretty standard by 2006, whilst its available on windoze from 2001!
I rolled my own debian stable on my laptop and I love it. Fast as hell (xfce), all the software I want and no bloat I don't. Everything I could want is in the debian repository.
However, I never managed to get the wireless or the battery indicator to work. So I popped in an Ubuntu CD, and every single hardware doodad worked, with zero effort on my part. I've hardly used the debian partition since, despite the fact that ubuntu + firefox + openoffice = swapfile city.
Maybe I could have got everything working in Debian. But it would never have been as fast or easy.
Why should I try a Linux distribution whose name sounds like a cow having bowel problems?
That's how bad the name sounded. It took me months to even try the distribution. Now I love it.
WTF is "interesting" about parents post? It's just a "kubuntu is not as refined as ubuntu" comment with nothing constructive, just a jab at kubuntu developers.
Well, go complain to ATi then.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
And please don't forget the very insightful names for german toilet paper, such as Danke and Servus. And of course, the "Ja" line of food products. Servus.
In other news, most GNOME users will tell you that GNOME developers put more work into making GNOME more polished and usable than KDE.
And after using GNOME for 4 years, trying to spend a week configuring KDE to function in a sane manner is really not worth the effort.
Or, maybe it's just that the desktops are different and if you really like one you are most likely not going to enjoy using the other for a short period of time?
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from their website at the development codename faq. Suits may not take too kindly to an OS that has "Fire up the Crack Pipes" as a slogan.
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"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Do I think that corporate types would ever pick such a name? wii
Anyone tried both Ubuntu and Xandros? I'd be curious as to how they compare. I've had very few problems with Xandros. It would be nice if the media support on the paid copies was a little better, other than that no complaints.
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why in the hell every time a linux related post, some moron has to include windows in their comment? wtf? who cares about your dual boot with windows!
While it's great and all that a bunch of money was dumped into Ubuntu to get it started long term they need a business plan. The way to do that is to sell support. Supporting Linux Desktop users will never be a viable support model. But on the other hand Enterprises tend to like to buy support contracts. If you don't have a stable OS that has support for years then you certainly are not going to attract businesses.
"I thought the whole point of ubuntu was to get a fairly package-stable version of debian that was up-to-date so funky new desktop apps would have a nice home to live in."
That was never the point of Ubuntu. The point of it like everything else was to eventually make money. Anyone who tells you otherwise has blinders on.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I have used Linux on and off since 1998 and Kubuntu Breezy was the biggest aggravation since Redhat 5.2. The network didn't work properly and the GUI config tool was useless I had to fuck around a lot to convince it to use the right network card (I've got ethernet and wireless, wanted to use ethernet, it decided to connect to my neighbour's WLAN instead). That sort of annoyance hasn't happened to me since Redhat 6.0, ethernet has just worked automatically without any user intervention, which is the whole bloody point of DHCP. I picked the ethernet card at installation too, Breezy just didn't believe that I wanted that and changed it for me. If I'd have wanted Win98-style crap decisions I would have installed Win98.
traditionally ubuntu gave security support to main for 18 months but universe for only 6. Whats the plan this time arround?
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the real questions are
1: can ubuntu really manage 5 years of secuirty support
2: is the 5 years of security support just for main (leaving you backporting yourself for anything you use from universe)?
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Universe and multiverse receive no official core-dev support by default; they're community supported. A few of us have spent time with -updates and -security for universe, but we could use assistance.
Mine's a compaq v5000 laptop - same problems. This is why Apple is winning the hearts and minds of people looking for unixy hardware - the stuff just works.
The biggest hurdle linux will face in the next couple years (and is facing now) is laptop support. You *can't* just go swap out your network or video card for one that is 'linux compatible', and trying to look for 'linux compatible' hardware when you're buying requires more effort than most people can go through. Sites http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ are a nice idea, but hopelessly out of date. Probably a full 95% of the hardware listed on that site is not available in retails stores, relegating you to ebay and other used hardware sources.
What mandriva, ubuntu, redhat and others need to do is put a bit of money in to testing/verifying their software, setup and detection systems with new hardware. Given the potentially high adoption rate of RHEL (for example) if people could get basic stuff like wireless working easily, it would be cost-justified for Redhat to send people to best buy and pick up 1-2 laptops a month and test/fix/patch their stuff to work with the latest hardware, then contribute that back. Or ubuntu - they're touted as having money to 'invest' in linux.
Making sure ubuntu works with a 4 year old abandoned network card isn't going to get as many people to switch/adopt a distro as making sure it'll run on current hardware.
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I must admit I haven't put the slightest bit of research into this, as I'm too busy, but what is Ubuntu's answer to Kickstart ?
Glad to hear they'll be supporting Dapper for twice as long as they are Breezy, it makes people less worried about getting the latest version ASAP, and less likely to spend time waiting for the new version.
Ununtu's OK but I think I'll stick with tried and true Debian.
I'm extremely curious how the parent poster got modded as Flamebait when the point is perfectly valid. Don't like how your ATI card doesn't support the features in Linux it does in Windows? Complain to ATI for not devoting sufficient resources to the driver. Same goes with any other device and driver.
I guess some people just don't like to accept the fact that the reason their hardware ends up sucking in certain situations is because they bought their hardware from a manufacturer that doesn't care enough to support it on the platform they're trying to use. Can't just be silently bitter (Or at least bitter at the responsible parties) about wasting money on the card, gotta go and sling mud as well, I guess.
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I clean installed two PCs (some friend's custom PC and a Dell Inspiron 4100) with the RC. Both have Linksys WPC54GS wireless cards which have flawlessly worked with ndiswrapper. It seems that in the RC wlan0 is no longer a recognized interface, even if you blacklist the bcm43xx driver. My workaround was to edit the ndiswrapper alias after modprobing it by changing the 'wlan0' to 'eth1' (at least that was the interface for both, YMMV). If you don't plan on using NetworkManager, the traditional way (iwconfig, System->Administration->Networking or editing /etc/network/interfaces) will not work. Once I installed the nm-applet I was online in literally a few clicks. I took the laptop around to other wireless hot spots and got online with ease.
That said, NetworkManager is a godsend for laptop users. No more dirty editing.
Can't say the same for my PowerBook G4 and its Airport Extreme. =(
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Ubuntu is a great package for desktops, for normal users to get the most out of their hardware and the jobs they do with their computers. I'd love to see an upgrade system that downloaded the new version from the Net, pulled user data (including OS and app configs, installed app lists, email, other Personal Info) from the old install, and burned it all to an archive/installer CD-ROM. All started by a single click, and an up-front set of questions, with the rest 100% automated. Reinstalling to the same HW ought to make installer deductions faster and more correct, and so deterministic that users can reinstall from source whenever they want, for the best fit, and least sweat.
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as a private company they can do what they wan't without shareholders breathing down thier necks but if and when they sell out to the market...............
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I'm extremely curious how the parent poster got modded as Flamebait
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Me too
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
> Qimonda, oh yes! [...] like those other guys that also used to be
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> Siemens and whose stupid new artificial name I forgot, even if my dad
> worked for them for 30 years before they became [stupid artificial
> name]. Something with e, I think.
BenQ?
Btw: In the good old Sinix days, SIEMENS was the acronym for "SIe Erhalten Monatlich Ein Neues System"
Oh come on. In almost EVERY article about something open source someone complains about the naming thing. Good and well, there are some pretty dumb, ugly oder unpronouncable names, but OTOH there are also loads of pretty crappy commercial names, too:
I fail to see what is insightful about this oft-repeated idiocy, mods. By attacking the silly names of some commercial products you do nothing to disprove the fact that many open source products have silly names. Furthermore you completely ignore the fact that the commercial world is completely different from the world of open source software. In the commercial world you have a little something called marketing. Marketing can take the most ridiculous name you can think of and make it a household name. An example that is always brought up by people like you is "Excel". It may be a silly name that doesn't tell us much, but everyone knows what it refers to because Microsoft was able to make Office a de facto standard for office productivity software.
Open source software, on the other hand, must rely completely on intrinsic quality and word of mouth to spread. Projects like Firefox have marketing behind them to help overcome the fact that most people don't know what Firefox is. Other projects have nothing behind them, and so when they give themselves silly names they merely hurt their ability to spread and be discovered by new people, outside a limited circle of geeks who are somehow able to discover what things like "gkrellm" are supposed to do. There are a great many very good open source projects that could really benefit from improved names if they want to appeal to the general public.
Referring to the fact that many commercial products have similarly unhelpful names doesn't change this fact, especially when the commercial products you're referring to are mostly from completely different fields where naming often plays little part in the success of the product. I believe they call this a straw man argument, BTW.
Nono, not THAT stupid name ! I looked it up in the meantime as it kept bothering me: Epcos (used to be Unternehmensbereich Bauelemente (electronic components division, not semiconductors, those became Infineon) ! (another blatantly stupid artificial name, maybe the board flew to Disneyland before coming up with the name).
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Regarding Siemens appliances: "Do you want something nice or can it be from Siemens ?"
I think for the purposes of running a 32-bit Linux distribution you'd do fine with server, since then you can just pretend it's another machine and connect running apps to the 64-bit X server for seamless, network-transparent desktop goodness. For running Windows, Workstation is probably less frustrating.
Of course, a VM just for running 32-bit apps is probably overkill. A chroot environment with the 32-bit version of Ubuntu in it should do the trick, since AMD64 Ubuntu is perfectly capable of running 32-bit processes, it just doesn't have the 32-bit libraries there for them to load. Using a chroot environment does have some annoying consequences, but it has to be less annoying than simulating an entirely separate machine.
If you cut the firmware out of your Windows drivers you should be able to get the native linux driver working doing away with ndiswrapper. See the Wiki page on BCM43xx on dapper for details
(The firmware can't be shipped with the distro due to license issues)
I used an Ubuntu Dapper Flight text install CD to fix up broken FC5test software RAID partitioning (the bug was fixed in the FC5 final anaconda). Ubuntu definitely understands LVM and Linux software RAID and be made to create and mount such partitions (the LVM scripts are definitely there). I don't know what the GUI software support is like after the install though.
I knew you meant Epcos (my soon-to-be-ex-father-in-law works for them... or worked?), but I couldn't resist the BenQ joke :-)
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Get a real job, cuntwhack.
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Seriously, ATI cards suck to support. I don't recommend them to anybody no matter what OS they use.
Unless we're talking about like a R200-based platform (R8500, 9100, 9000Pro, 9200) which is pretty well understood and should be support by Windows HCL and Linux OSS drivers completely (incl. Xinerama/tv-out)
Anything newer than that is a crapshoot.
And you can tell ATI feels this way too. You know the FireMV line... their uber-stable flagship line of workstation multi-monitor visualization cards? All R200-based chips. They managed to shove 4 onto a board with a single passive heatsink and tons of texture memory. They leave the R300 and R400 cards for the Quadro line (w/certain features disabled) and the enthusiast boards (where crashes are expected anyway).
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Forgive me if none of this applies to Linux because my only experience running VMware products is on Windows. But on Windows, VMware Server runs as a service in the background, all the time. This means that you can log out of your current Windows session and your virtual machines will keep running. Workstation, on the other hand, mostly runs like any other user application. When you quit the program or log out of your session, the virtual machines all close down.
Why would you want this? Well, quite frankly, if your main purpose for your computer is running user applications -- in other words, it's a workstation -- then it doesn't seem to make much sense to have VMware consuming a bunch of memory and occasional processor overhead when you're not using it for anything.
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I'm afraid I have to disagree with my fellow bear, at least in that respect that you are mixing together two only partially related issues: The one of names and the one of marketing.
You are completely right that commercial products have the big advantage of having often very expensive marketing campaigns on their side. Especially if they are used to sell potential customers re-branding or products with often stupid names. If you hear, read and see often enough that burpalooganda is the new and trendy chocolate bar the young urban professional just HAS to try, someday you just will give that stupid thing a try if only to see what all that bruhaha is about.
Open source projects don't have this, at least most of the time. But that, at least IMO is the key point. Not the name of a product. What is in a product's name today ? A lot, if you believe the marketeers, more or less nothing, if you believe potential customers. This gets even worse in non-English speaking countries. I read about several studies done by respected research institutes that clearly showed that more than half of German customers do not even understand slogans, even if they are for very intensively propaged products with often extremely prominent names coming from national mega-brands. It has become more and more fashionable in Germany to use English slogans or even English names for outlets; the respective companies spend literally millions and millions in marketing, but people are neither able to tell you what the slogan is nor what it means nor what the product's correct name is, BUT THEY KNOW THE BLOODY PRODUCT and buy it because it seems desirable. THAT is marketing, and that is what open source does not have.
But the names themselves are only smoke and mirrors. Gimp, Linux, whatever, wouldn't be more popular if they were named Super Draw XL 2007 and Power Operating System/1 as long as they are not marketed properly. Maybe 20 years back people would have laughted at many Open Source product names, today everything has a funny/stupid/totally non-descript and synthetical name.
If it is just in the names, neither Apple nor Microsoft ever would have become household names, coming from their very humble roots as small startups with products that only mattered to a small group of enthusiasts, most of them with odd names.
Marketing is the key. Have a great marketing campaign (and a product people think they need, see tamagochi, both stupid name and stupid product but big commercial success) and noone bothers about the stupid names you came up with, at least not in any financially meaningful way. Have the greatest product of all times with a nice and meaningful name, and without marketing it will founder. (and no, I am neither a marketer nor I am related, married or otherwise affiliated with one).
Ati has some serious bugs with their linux drivers, at least for my hardware configuration (9600 (agp8x) on Intel 845 (agp4x)). DRI freezes X. have to reset. I know this cause i've tried suse 10.1, kororaa, kubuntu5.10 and ditto 6.06, with all available configurations. OSS driver doesnt freeze, but no DRI, no tv. Ive installed kubuntu with fglrx, xinerama overscans monitor and i cant see. no way to change resolution. In suse 10.1, xinerama works just fine. A similar bug in xinerama existed also in kubuntu5.10(there was no way to move to second display). So, what would take to a man to watch movies in his tv? buy a new computer? switch to windows? switch to suse?