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White House Demands Encryption for Sensitive Data

An anonymous reader writes "Stung by a series of data losses or disclosures at federal agencies over the past month, the White House is requiring all agencies to follow new guidelines when allowing employees to carry sensitive data on laptops or access the information from afar, according to the Washington Post. From the article: 'To comply with the new policy, agencies will have to encrypt all data on laptop or handheld computers unless the data are classified as "non-sensitive" by an agency's deputy director. Agency employees also would need two-factor authentication -- a password plus a physical device such as a key card -- to reach a work database through a remote connection, which must be automatically severed after 30 minutes of inactivity. Finally, agencies would have to begin keeping detailed records of any information downloaded from databases that hold sensitive information, and verify that those records are deleted within 90 days unless their use is still required.'"

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  1. And the real question is... by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And the real question is: Why wasn't all these measures mandatory before? Did noone thought of the potential problem of a user going home with his laptop before?

    1. Re:And the real question is... by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why wasn't all these measures mandatory before?

      Because most of it is unenforceable, and certainly doesn't cover the entirety of the problem. Let's check it point by point.

        1. Encrypt all data on mobile computers/devices which carry agency data unless the data
      is determined to be non-sensitive, in writing, by your Deputy Secretary or an
      individual he/she may designate in writing;


      So basically ALL data will be sensitive. We're not longer talking about CIA operatives or Pentagon generals with state secrets under the arm. It's the secretary of the editor of the "Golden Days" monthly that will access the name of one of the retirees it serves from her son-in-law's computer to see why Ms. Applewhite didn't receive her beloved issue last month. The secretary is not only not going to encrypt the data, she's blissfully unaware that her son-in-law hard disk is completely shared on eMule due to her son-in-law's imperfect grasp of eMule's share facility.

        2. Allow remote access only with two-factor authentication where one of the factors is
      provided by a device separate from the computer gaining access;


      Yeah, sure. I guess somebody is underestimating the ubiquity of data communications nowadays. Or thinking still about CIA operatives mainly.

      3. Use a "time-out" function for remote access and mobile devices requiring user re-
      authentication after 30 minutes inactivity


      Now this one is probably going to be widely enforced, it'll be simple to do.

        4. Log all computer-readable data extracts from databases holding sensitive information
      and verify each extract including sensitive data has been erased within 90 days or its
      use is still required.


      The logging will be made, usually. But how about the verification, I mean, in some places Harvest will really be plentiful, and the Laborers??? few, if any. Who's going to check all those accesses and what happened of the data? And even if they do, what about the son-in-law's shared hard drive? I mean, what about other copies that could have been done, printed, etc. from that original data. Printouts in the garbage are still one of the better ways of getting confidential data. What about flash memories in the workplace. Remember that story about the trojan-seeded flash drives scattered by the entrance of some goverment office building? Or Los Alamos missing hard drives ? The data security problem is certainly not going to be solved by a four-points note from the White House.

      Basically this not is just a paper that says that a) The White House is trying hard to address this problem. b) Now you know who to blame (usually the overworked DBA) if anything important gets copied and hits the news.

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    2. Re:And the real question is... by Threni · · Score: 0, Troll

      > And the real question is: Why wasn't all these measures mandatory before? Did noone thought of the
      > potential problem of a user going home with his laptop before?

      There's this inexplicable faith in the American security services (CIA, FBI etc) that they're some sort of elite organisation that spies on everyone all over the world, knows exactly what's going on.."ooh, the black helicopters....I think my phone is tapped" etc. It's probably due to all the movies. I think if life was like how it is in the movies then the US wouldn't be in the pickle it's in at the moment.

      In reality, they're useless. They utterly failed to pick up on Bin Laden's little plan; they only caught the unabomber because his brother told them about him; they failed to notice Saddams intentions to invade kuwait until hours before it happened; bushes amusing "Mission Accomplished" speech shortly before thousands of US troops started to get killed in Iraq - the list goes on and on.

      Personally I wouldn't trust a word they say, and I'd assume that they'll continue to be an expensive incompetence, rather than a force that'll somehow protect innocent civilians from the wasps nests they appear to be willing to stir up around the world.

    3. Re:And the real question is... by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yeah, sure. I guess somebody is underestimating the ubiquity of data communications nowadays. Or thinking still about CIA operatives mainly.

      The kit in question is available from a number of vendors. I got one with me from Aladin marketed under the name of eToken, supports standard x509 certificates and if it will be bought in the quantities .gov will buy it the price will be in the sub 10$ range. It is only moderately more expensive now.

      Works with nearly all OS-es: Mac, Winhoze, Linux, *BSD. It is about one quarter the size of an average USB key and has RSA engine on board. Once you have written the private key on it there is no way to retrieve it. All RSA ops are performed on the key.

      Add to that the fact that all modern laptops and most recent desktops have TPM. You can use that for similar purposes.

      In fact, the problem is not in the tokens and dongles. There are plenty of these on the market. The problem is how to handle certificate infrastructure and trust levels on the level of millions of certificates especially revocation. Now how .gov handles that will be interesting to watch.

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    4. Re:And the real question is... by NexFlamma · · Score: 1

      Not only should it have been the sort of thing that you would imagine they would have just done by default, but now that they have to switch gears to go back and fix things, it's going to cost tax payers millions of dollars.

      And has anyone ever wondered why everything costs the government millions of dollars? Just once I'd like to hear that a policy change or a new program cost $99.99.

    5. Re:And the real question is... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      A million here, a million there. Pretty soon you're talking about real money.

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    6. Re:And the real question is... by jascat · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's why the military has already rolled out their own PKI infrastructure with smart card cards and all. Creation of the cards is done by a trusted source meaning your keys are trusted. The keys on board are only available once you enter your pin and badda-bing. Pretty much gone are the days of the old Green Military ID Card.

    7. Re:And the real question is... by jascat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Counter-point:

      1. It sounds as though they are talking about classification here. There is a such thing as "Sensitive but Unclassified". Also, personal information gets protection under the Privacy Act of 197-something. Anyhow, it isn't as serious as you make it out. The stuff that is classified is protected at a whole different level.

      2. No, they are saying that if you're going to connect to their network, you're going to have to do it with approved systems and use their authentication and it will all probably be through an approved, encrypted VPN. I know that the DoD has made a push over the last few years to replace the ID cards with smart card IDs with PKI certs embedded on them. These tie into the PKI infrastructure that has been rolled out and although it's taken a few years to get going, we're finally seeing it become a reality...you know, where it's becoming mandatory to log on using your card, sign emails, etc etc.

      3. Well, it's all enforceable. That's the beauty of a government owned network. If they catch you not following their rules, they can fire you or even go so far as to prosecute you. Why not? You could be a terrorist! *gasp*

      4. I agree with you here. Logs are great and all, but having a great gob of logs doesn't do you much at all. I wish them luck trying to go back to find a single transaction from 89 days ago.

    8. Re:And the real question is... by JustOK · · Score: 1

      percentages of what?

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    9. Re:And the real question is... by me-g33k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually it goes one level deeper. It's not just the access to the information but the ability to properly classify and then enforce document controls. If you think in terms of the old paper methods, there were entire sub-organizations dedicated to the publication of information and its maintenance and management. When everything started to go digital, those roles and processes seemed to have been lost in the translation. Factor in the constantly decreasing cost of storage and we see the glut of 'stuff' that exists in storage silos all over the place. Granted that Gov and Mil are usually better at classifying their information but the access vectors to this information has changed. We no longer have to walk into a public building and sign in to get paper (although a digital simulacrum pervades) it's posted and made readily available. This is in the 'finished' incarnation of the document. How about the 'in progress' work? Which is one of the locuses of the issue at hand. People taking work out of their office environments into the 'wild'. I HATE to say it but this is where DRM would be useful. Tied to roles and responsibility defined (hopefully) in a rational directory, document destruction could be automated. That leads me to another research question; Does TPM have a handshake with DRM?

    10. Re:And the real question is... by indifferent+children · · Score: 1
      Just once I'd like to hear that a policy change or a new program cost $99.99.

      This program is only going to cost approx. $99.99 ... per citizen.

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    11. Re:And the real question is... by MartinB · · Score: 1

      While I'm not arguing with your general point, the following need addressing:

      They utterly failed to pick up on Bin Laden's little plan;

      Apart from the 'knowing a fair amount about it' bit - see the 9/11 Commission report.

      they failed to notice Saddams intentions to invade kuwait until hours before it happened;

      Again, rubbish. Saddam basically asked permission to invade Kuwait, and as the US didn't object, took that as presumptive permission. But the only reason this was a problem at all (compared to all the other episodes where erstwhile allies invade their neighbours that we don't object to) was that it was the subject of some effective propaganda.

      More importantly, they failed to take notice of what their own intelligence analysts were telling them - there was no way that Saddam was even close to effective WMD production. But of course, that didn't fit the political narrative.

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    12. Re:And the real question is... by kayfly · · Score: 1

      Yeah you know, its only the government and if anyone happens to get ahold of that information, its no big deal. (Please note my sarcasm =P )

    13. Re:And the real question is... by Raphael · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why wasn't all these measures mandatory before?
      Because most of it is unenforceable, and certainly doesn't cover the entirety of the problem. Let's check it point by point.

      I disagree. I work for a rather large company in which the average employee is probably dealing with less sensitive data than the average White House employee. Yet we have a policy that requires all laptop hard disks to be encrypted (regardless of what is stored on them), all remote logins to use two-factor authentication, etc. These are basic security rules that every company (large or small) should apply.

      1. Encrypt all data on mobile computers/devices which carry agency data unless the data is determined to be non-sensitive, in writing, by your Deputy Secretary or an individual he/she may designate in writing;
      So basically ALL data will be sensitive. We're not longer talking about CIA operatives or Pentagon generals with state secrets under the arm. It's the secretary of the editor of the "Golden Days" monthly that will access the name of one of the retirees it serves from her son-in-law's computer to see why Ms. Applewhite didn't receive her beloved issue last month. The secretary is not only not going to encrypt the data, she's blissfully unaware that her son-in-law hard disk is completely shared on eMule due to her son-in-law's imperfect grasp of eMule's share facility.

      I think that adding an exception for non-sensitive data is stupid. All data on mobile computers/devices should be encrypted, period. If you have a laptop that could be used to store potentially confidential data (even if it does not contain confidential data right now), then there is no good reason to leave the hard disk unencrypted. Yes, this includes the secretary's laptop, USB disks, etc. And if that secretary takes the laptop that she uses at the White House and allows her son to access it (despite the user account password and disk encryption password), then she should be fired. The laptop does not belong to the secretary; it belongs to her employer and it is very likely that she had to sign a clause stating that she will not allow unauthorized persons to use her account and other credentials. Also, the laptop should not allow connections to an untrusted network.

      2. Allow remote access only with two-factor authentication where one of the factors is provided by a device separate from the computer gaining access;
      Yeah, sure. I guess somebody is underestimating the ubiquity of data communications nowadays. Or thinking still about CIA operatives mainly.

      What's wrong with that? The "ubiquity of data communications" is only true if you have a rather open environment. But if the internal network of your department or company is isolated from other networks or uses a firewalled network that severely limits both the inbound and outbound traffic, then the requirement to use two-factor authentication makes sense.

      If all employees only have a limited access to the web and e-mail through filtering proxies and servers, then it is possible to check for suspicious activities such as people trying to establish reverse HTTP tunnels and other tricks. It is still possible for some covert channels to be established by insiders, but at least the risks are much lower than with a wide open network. Once you have a reasonably secure network, you should be careful about any access from the outside. If you only rely on a password or on a token that can be stolen, there is a risk that an external attacker can access the network and transfer a lot of data before the problem is detected. This is where the two-factor authentication is useful: it lowers the risks of external attacks.

      In summary, these requirements make sense and are already common practice in the industry. I am wondering why such a basic policy has not been enforced much earlier.

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    14. Re:And the real question is... by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That part is easy.

      The hard part starts from there on.

      You have to revoke the certificate if GI Joe number 286456781 is dead or has gone missing in action. You have to revoke the certificate if GI Joe 286456781 is found to be really Major Razvedki Ivanov. You have to revoke the certificate if Gi Joe 286456781's wife is found to really be Major Li of the people revolution army and she has gotten hold of the card PIN along with the card by means of giving excellent head.

      Actually, revoking as such is not that hard either. May be a bit painfull in a multi-tier certificate hierarchy, but still possible.

      The hard bit is propagating the knowledge that the certificate is revoked across an infrastructure of a .mil or .gov size. The main reason is that some portions of the infrastructure are offline most of the time and some are mandated be able to work in offline mode. In practice - how the f*** do you send a revocation list to a submarine?

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    15. Re:And the real question is... by xSauronx · · Score: 1
      The hard bit is propagating the knowledge that the certificate is revoked across an infrastructure of a .mil or .gov size. The main reason is that some portions of the infrastructure are offline most of the time and some are mandated be able to work in offline mode.

      reminds me of a story i read, i think over at fark, a month or two ago, about an army officer who had been retired for a number of years. someone who got his SSN was able to get a military id in the guys name (despite his having been retired, when i read it, he still wasnt sure how the man was issued an active ID for a retired officer, and i dont know anything about the system myself) and use it to get a number of credit cars and destroy the officers credit.

      go army!?

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    16. Re:And the real question is... by orielbean · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, reaction in action. After the finance guys eat it first, then the govt follows. What, we don't enjoy a progressive, proactive democrazy? Oh.

    17. Re:And the real question is... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the real question is: Why wasn't all these measures mandatory before? Did noone thought of the potential problem of a user going home with his laptop before?

      - Because encryption is a black art (and a dirty word) to a lot of people. I've had people tell me that they don't want to own books on crypto or have crypto software on-hand because it will make them look like they have something (evil / illegal) to hide. Makes me sad as a patriot...

      - Because it's easier to keep your head in the sand regarding security threats then to take action? After all, if something happens you can use the "ignorance" defense and get off with a slap on the wrist.

      - Because key management is hard? As in, difficult to implement correctly.

      - Because on-the-fly encryption imposes a performance hit on the laptop? This is finally getting to the point where it's not as much of an obstacle as it used to be. AES encryption on notebook CPUs in the last few years can easily keep up with the hard drive without using up all of the CPU power (the drive is the bottleneck, not the encryption by the CPU). But it still cuts down on battery life.

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    18. Re:And the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      dod has rolled out a common access card with smart chip for the past 3+ years at least. recently, a cac-only login has been enforced in active directory and group policy for all of the army domains. i'm not too sure on how they manage certificates, but i can speak for how fast preemptive measures can happen. one guy in my unit had something negative appear on his clearance - someone forged his identity and opened up some credit accounts one weekend... as a result, his account was disabled by the time we got back to work on monday while they investigated the incident.

      as far as cert revocation, it's a bit naive to think that their authentication systems are offline most of the time. if any system is offline, it's because it's not mission critical. i can assure you that the cio/g6 definitely considers user authentication to be a mission critical application.

      i'm also not all that knowledgeable about submarine operations, but i do know that pretty much every unit (land, sea, air) has multiple forms of communication on board (satcom, vhf, microwave, hard line, etc.) all of which can be encrypted and all of which can be tunnelled through for secure transmissions using any protocol. communication is paramount to the military to function properly. believe me, all of your doubts have been considered.

    19. Re:And the real question is... by Da_Weasel · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Because the leaking of this information is hurting the Repulican party and the Bush administration. So now it's important...

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    20. Re:And the real question is... by JoeZeppy · · Score: 1

      I do desktop support for a Fortune 500 financial services institution, and we are already doing numbers 2 and 3, pushing 1 even as we speak, and I'm sure 4 is being implemented or contemplated, as basically everything from your web access and email to your shoe size and bathroom habits are audited regularly. These are all being driven by Sarbanes-Oxley and data breach notification laws. If the government can pass these laws, they ought to be able to follow them as well.

    21. Re:And the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Who the fuck reads fark? What are you, 13?

    22. Re:And the real question is... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It is required in Sarbanes-Oxley. I know because I have to implement it. But apparently the government was exempt from those laws?

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    23. Re:And the real question is... by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      What about using work processing software that allows for dummy terminal style work? You can do the work, but the programs are ran off a main server, which you have to VPN into (utilizing two-tier security measures - I would say go with passcode and fingerprint...but if they want to use key cards use a keycard similar to Citrix - which is a pain in the arse to use anyhow...but something with a constantly changing code).

      Getting back to the remote system....yes you can work from your nephews computer, you ahve to VPN to the gov't server and you are not able to save the data to your local drive...meaning no internet connection = no work. People who need to take their work with them and won't have access to the Internet (maybe airplane, camping trip, remote area, etc.) can take the work on gov't provided/approved laptops.

      Is all of this time consuming/expensive (more-so because it is gov't based) yes.....is it necessary, some of it yes.

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    24. Re:And the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the real question is: Why wasn't all these measures mandatory before?

      No, no. The real question is why weren't all these measures mandatory before?

    25. Re:And the real question is... by arivanov · · Score: 1
      it's a bit naive to think that their authentication systems are offline most of the time.

      It is not the time for being offline which is the interesting bit in a revocation architecture of this size. It is the "being offline" idea in first place. Examples of units that must be able to operate while completely isolated are missile launching subs, missile silos, air defence, etc. Granted, for most of them you can limit the CRL only to "certificates of interest", but even after it has been limited it will grow up to be a bloody big CRL after time. It also becomes interesting how do you actually manage who gets which selective CRL and how do you manage rights in an infrastructure of this size.

      By the way, considering that it is being done by .mil it is definitely fubar somewhere. Old infantry ideas of authentication produce some truly entertaining incidents when hitting modern concepts. Most likely rights somewhere have been taken out of crypto/x509 context which usually ends up being one big backdoor through which you can drive a truck if you know how to do it.

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    26. Re:And the real question is... by Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1


       

      The important issue here, is now Phil Zimmerman can now say, fuck the government!!!

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    27. Re:And the real question is... by BigDumbAnimal · · Score: 1

      These tie into the PKI infrastructure that has been rolled out...

      What do you think PKI stands for?

    28. Re:And the real question is... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Informative

      despite his having been retired, when i read it, he still wasnt sure how the man was issued an active ID for a retired officer

      Retired military are generally still issued a military ID, giving them access to base hospitals, the PX/BX, etc. There's a difference between someone who's simply a veteran and someone who's stayed in for 20 years and retired.

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    29. Re:And the real question is... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      This rule, combined with Bush's recent victories stripping government whistleblowers of protections, lets Bush fry anyone he wants to intimidate, especially if they've been leaking.

      "These days it's all secrecy, and no privacy."
      - The Rolling Stones, from "Fingerprint File"

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    30. Re:And the real question is... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      We're not longer talking about CIA operatives or Pentagon generals with state secrets under the arm. It's the secretary of the editor of the "Golden Days" monthly that will access the name of one of the retirees it serves from her son-in-law's computer to see why Ms. Applewhite didn't receive her beloved issue last month. The secretary is not only not going to encrypt the data, she's blissfully unaware that her son-in-law hard disk is completely shared on eMule due to her son-in-law's imperfect grasp of eMule's share facility.

      So what? No idea what they're using for encryption but it is trivial to do so using something like truecrypt, creating an entire encrypted volume which won't be automatically shared by eMule or anything else. Especially if you don't set it to mount automatically.

      Finally, this is an issue of training and attitude. If the receptionist can't comprehend the training, which will probably be very simple, we don't need them working for the government where they can do damage through stupidity anyway. If they won't utilize the training due to thinking they don't need to, then we need to fire their ass post-haste.

      Allow remote access only with two-factor authentication where one of the factors is provided by a device separate from the computer gaining access;
      Yeah, sure. I guess somebody is underestimating the ubiquity of data communications nowadays. Or thinking still about CIA operatives mainly.

      You are aware that there's personal firewall devices that just plug in between you and the rest of the world and handle VPN, right? And they can be set to be passworded? They're not even all that expensive.

      #4 is the only unenforcable item here. You simply cannot prove that other copies were not made.

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    31. Re:And the real question is... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      The kit in question is available from a number of vendors. I got one with me from Aladin marketed under the name of eToken, supports standard x509 certificates and if it will be bought in the quantities .gov will buy it the price will be in the sub 10$ range. It is only moderately more expensive now.

      Uhh, there are more than just PKI-based kits available. For example, you could go with SNK cards. In this case, the service to be accessed generates a challenge code. You then enter your pin and the challenge into the SNK, and it generates a response. Yes, the cards need to be registered with the auth system, but that seems easier to manage than a full PKI infrastructure.

    32. Re:And the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Filthy minded children like you is what makes visiting this site so unpleasant.

    33. Re:And the real question is... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Or Los Alamos missing hard drives ?

      Last I heard, there were no missing hard drives. Someone simply assumed that there were because of a whole in the inventory numbering.

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    34. Re:And the real question is... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      but even after it has been limited it will grow up to be a bloody big CRL after time.

      You can balance the size of your revocation list with appropriate certificate expiration dates. There is no need for your list to grow indefinatly. For high security environments, there is no reason to thing that expiration dates couldn't be kept *very* short for the majority of people. Got to work in a government facility 5 days a week? Why do you need your certificate to last longer than 7 days? Especially if there is an easy, automated way to update.

  2. Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Speaking of which, you should probably get a glimpse at what Google .Gov dragged up.

    1. Re:Oh, lookie here by wbren · · Score: 4, Funny
      Some great nuggets of information I found in that PDF:
      • The default settings of P2P applications share all documents and media files on your machine. Which P2P apps are they talking about?
      • P2P file exchanges generally violate international copyright laws. - Stop lumping P2P with piracy, DoD!
      • Enable Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) on all laptops, PDAsand wireless access points. - WPA anyone?
      • THE INTERNET IS ALWAYS WATCHING - But the DoD is always watching the Internet, so don't worry!
      • CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's - Cooties?
      • Traveling with a government computer? Keep track of it! - Good thing you told me! I never take the time to keep track of my laptop when I travel.
      Also check out page 37 for the most hilarious picture ever included in a PDF (labeled 38 in the actual PDF).
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    2. Re:Oh, lookie here by spagetti_code · · Score: 1
      Well, now I feel safe....

      From the parents PDF:


      Government Owned Equipment
      - Enable Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) on all laptops, PDAs and wireless access points.


      Like thats going to stop a hacker for all of a few minutes.
      Bizarre. WEPs shortcomings have been known for years.
    3. Re:Oh, lookie here by datafr0g · · Score: 1

      Interesting stuff!
      I'm surprised they have to tell people to use strong passwords? They don't enforce this when a user changes their password?? There's a bit on P2P too - they don't block this?? I know P2P networks can be a bitch to control through the firewall but there are application layer firewalls and other intelligent devices to sort this kind of thing out.

      Interesting that classified PC's must also have removable HDD's and be clearly marked classified - shouldn't they just be physically located where they can't be used by those without clearance? Marking something with a big orange "secret" sticker and putting it out in the open doesn't seem smart to me. Maybe the infrastructure's so large and disparate it's difficult to control these kinds of things.

      As a side note, whoever put this together seriously needs to expand their clip-art archive.... or delete it altogether would probably be best.

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    4. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, same Coward as before. A little context:

      According to this Department directive by Rummy, intelligence employees are required to be shown this annually, or every 6 months, even--- I'm too half-assed to go back and check. Don't worry, these links aren't classified.

      I thought it might have been at first. I viewed them through Google's cache and saw "classified" on the first PDF, but when I viewed it in PDF form on the website that had just been written in the clipart. I'm still a Coward because you can never be too safe.

      Anyway, separating classified CPUs from unclassified ones is probably so that they won't accidentally use the wrong ones. Neato information there, about how they use WEP. Don't let the terrorists get wind of it! Incidentally, the verification word Slashdot required me to type was "grinning."

    5. Re:Oh, lookie here by EQ · · Score: 1

      "CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's - Cooties?"

      No. RFI, couling induction and TEMPEST concerns are what I was told. Although only God knows why 3 ft is the magic number - and LCD vs tube doesn't seem to matter.

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    6. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's - Cooties?
      I have not thought about it that way, but now you mention it... "TEMPEST" is exactly like cooties, only it can wipe out an army...
    7. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, look on page 34. They partially whited out "NSA" and stopped at the "N," so I had to uncover the entire thing through cut and paste. Gives their address, too, but that's already widely known. Shall we all go chasing the wild goose and see if we can get hidden text in any declassified documents, hm?

    8. Re:Oh, lookie here by tacarat · · Score: 1

      The default settings of P2P applications share all documents and media files on your machine. Which P2P apps are they talking about?
      P2P file exchanges generally violate international copyright laws. - Stop lumping P2P with piracy, DoD!

      I'd say part scare tactic and part CYA. More than anything I'd wager the presenter was not interested in the breifing becoming a class on how to securely and ethically utilize P2P programs. Let's be honest, bigwigs usually aren't tech savvy - they have assistants for that.

      CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's - Cooties?
      Google "Computer security TEMPEST". Then you can go download Tempest for Eliza for your own fun. Check out Tinfoil Hat Linux too :D (wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinfoil_Hat_Linux

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    9. Re:Oh, lookie here by tonan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, IA (Information Awareness) is an annual training requirement for all of the DoD. I never saw a dumb slide show like that though. In the Air Force, we have to do it online (CBT format) so they can track who did and didn't do it.

    10. Re:Oh, lookie here by tonan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know how other departments and agencies deal with their networks, but all P2P software is banned from our machines (Air Force), and all known P2P/BitTorrent ports are blocked through our firewall. All client computers are scanned for illegal software (which includes Google Earth and iTunes) on a regular basis, and the local Information Protection Office will let you know if you are in violation.

      The 3-foot rule is an old EMSEC (Emmissions Security) rule that seems a bit outdated. It's supposed to prevent signal emmissions of hard-wired machines from being interfered with or being collected by other devices. I know it sounds ridiculous, but the program is is old and outdated.

      Overall, that PDF slideshow is not a very good IA training tool. They probably don't even use that anymore, or it's only used by a small group of people. The link at the end of the document brings you to a course completion page that shows the date of the program as 2004. You guys might not be able to see the site if you are not on a .mil/.gov computer.

      IA training is mandatory for all users of DoD client machines, but the DoD networks have many other safeguards to protect information. As always, a security policy is only as strong as the people abiding by it, so IA training tries to lessen the risk of information leaking out due to poor information protection by the user.

    11. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just had to reply to this post just to bring up the link the submitter has listed;
      http://home.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html
      please, please have a read of this left-wing conspiracy nuts insane writing
      "submarines capable of tapping underground cables"
      ANYONE with ANY understanding of fibre-optic knows you CANNOT cut into this cable.
      "These signal intelligence agencies now had a new enemy toward which to turn their electronic eyes and ears to ensure that the balance of power could be maintained"
      a very vague reference to the authors obvious communist leanings.

      Come on kids, Complaining the goverment is out to get you is just an excuse to claim you are a victim: Conspiracy nuts, YOU and YOU ALONE are to blame for your failures, we do not want to be dragged down to your sad, depraved life. Shut your pie holes.

      Jesus, Get a sense of reality!!!

    12. Re:Oh, lookie here by Joebert · · Score: 1
      Do you know what "Ok" means ?

      Yeah, it means this is going to be easier than I thought.
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    13. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmhmm, Google .Gov dragged up more. Using the keywords supplied by the .PDF, I search for "for official use only" and got this and this. The first is interesting because it was a testimony before the Senate committee in 2001 or 2002 and has the four-star general in charge of the Pacific Command briefing on North Korea. The second has the general in charge of SOUTHCOM, who oversees Guantanamo Bay. While it does not state these are classified, it does state they are for official use only and are not intended for the public until released by the Committee.

      I know these posts are hidden, but hopefully someone'll find 'em and give 'em a befitting rating. Come on, you little Slashdot snoopers, you know you love this.

      General Craddock: "I recently directed an investigation into allegations of questionable conduct made by members of the FBI. That investigation is ongoing."

      OOPS!

      Take off the last part of the URL related to SOUTHCOM, and it asks for a username and password. Guess I wasn't supposed to look.

    14. Re:Oh, lookie here by gen11 · · Score: 1

      "The 3-foot rule is an old EMSEC (Emmissions Security) rule that seems a bit outdated. It's supposed to prevent signal emmissions of hard-wired machines from being interfered with or being collected by other devices. I know it sounds ridiculous, but the program is is old and outdated."

      The EMSEC program is alive and well and much more than a 3-foot rule. Maintaining separation distances not unlike working a 3-D puzzle. You usually don't make many friends by telling them exactly where they can put there equipment.

    15. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One last thing, may this coward advise Slashdot readers?

      If you're going to look at a government document, use Google Translator to do it.

    16. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all known P2P/BitTorrent ports are blocked through our firewall

      Um... a number of the P2P programs, including BT, will work on any arbitrary port number. There are slightly more sophisticated ways to deal with the issue, of course.

    17. Re:Oh, lookie here by tonan · · Score: 1

      Look man, I'm not a firewall or P2P expert, sorry if I didn't get all the techie stuff for you. Bottom line, P2P doesn't work on our network.

    18. Re:Oh, lookie here by tonan · · Score: 1

      EMSEC is pretty old and outdated. It really needs to be combined with COMSEC (Communication Security) and COMPUSEC (Computer Security). I remember reading about all those programs while I was in training wondering why this stuff wasn't consolidated.

      Physical seperation between different classified systems should be done, but only to keep people aware of what system they are on. (Whoops! Accidently stuck a Secret USB stick in a UnClass system!) There might be more to EMSEC, but since I don't work with secure radio or radar (I'm just a computer guy), I wouldn't know what it's about.

    19. Re:Oh, lookie here by rahrens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      P2P apps are not allowed in my Agency. They probably included this as an explanation for why; specific apps are not necessary for the explanation to be valid.

      Since a LOT of people use P2P for pirating copyrighted material, that is also a valid statement. Just because its not ALWAYS used illegally, does not invalidate this statement for their purposes.

      DOD is a BIG agency, with a lot of employees. It likely that many of them have routers capable of wireless tramsmission, but not new enough to use WPA. To enable the most people to be able to connect remotely, WEP is allowed. Notice that recent loss of laptops with sensitive info did NOT include DOD, nor did they include actual CLASSIFIED material. That stuff is covered under a whole different, and MUCH stricter, set of rules!

      3 foot space? Covered adequately by other posters who know more about it than I do.

      A LOT of people lose laptops. Civilians, government workers, and military. This statement is there for obvious reasons. People always need to be reminded, plus, statements like this are needed to remind employees that their employer thinks the issue is important. You cannot just take it for granted that people will just magically understand how you think. In addition, if this is included in such a presentation as this an emnployee can't later claim that he/she wasn't told! It's therefor a CYA for the organization.

      My own agency uses a total encryption program that encrypts the entire HD. We take nothing for granted. Employees have no choice, laptops are issued this way. You don't like it, you don't get a laptop. We use a two step authentication procedure for remote connections, in fact, everything this article says the White House is demanding, my agency has been doing for over two years.

      Has it cost a lot? Yes, this stuff isn't cheap. Is it worth it? Yes, you won't see my group in the news like this!

      Does info get out in ways accessible to potential thieves? Probably, we have over 10,000 employees; it's hard to control the actions of that many people, and information can be copied in so many ways. But we do what we can; we only allow the use of encrypted laptops, desktops that are allowed home are also encrypted this way, too. As mentioned, two step authentication, firewalls, 24/7 firewall/WAN monitoring for suspicious activity. If a machine is caught broadcasting packets identified as coming from prohibited software, a technician is dispatched to remove it. User has no choice. Desktops are locked down, and special permission is required from a committee to allow local admin control for any user. Users can't even install their own local printers!

      Users are required to review an annual Information Security Awareness presentation, via the intranet, so we can monitor compliance. If you don't view it within a certain time frame, your account is automatically disabled, and you then need special permission from an Associate Commissioner to get reconnected without viewing the show! This guarantees management attention to your failure to follow security procedures!

      I have only touched on the most obvious arrangements, there are a lot of others that I can't reveal - I'd have to shoot all of you! I'm sure that there are others I don't know.

      Does all of this guarantee we won't see a breach? No, I'm sure it doesn't. But it makes it much more likely that if one occurs, the headlines will make note of an employee that broke procedure and did something to get around agency safeguards, and will eventually report his/her prosecution.

      We are not perfect, and we'll be the first to admit that. We ARE human, after all. (gasp!) BUT, just because we get our paychecks from Uncle Sugar doesn't mean we left our brains at the door.

      Some agencies use the budget Congress gives us to do our jobs, and we try to do them without being told. We even try to close the barn door BEFORE the cow gets out!

      I know that's a shock to some of you, but we really do try, and we most often get it right. You only read about it when we don't...

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    20. Re:Oh, lookie here by rahrens · · Score: 1

      Oh, and another comment regarding WEP - If you are connected through a VPN, as the White House Directive is requiring, whether you are using WEP, WPA, or nothing really, doesn't matter - the VPN connection carries with it a whole new level of encryption of its own. So from our point of view, WEP doesn't matter - OUR stuff is protected! Your own security is your own business...

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    21. Re:Oh, lookie here by rahrens · · Score: 1

      ...and just how many hackers have a Cray at their disposal that's going to break the VPN encryption he's using to connect to the government's system? The VPN adds a whole different level of encryption to the mix. By the time that Cray breaks the encryption, any info he now has at his disposal is out of date by, say, 30,000 years...

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    22. Re:Oh, lookie here by jc42 · · Score: 1

      IA training is mandatory for all users of DoD client machines, but the DoD networks have many other safeguards to protect information. As always, a security policy is only as strong as the people abiding by it, so IA training tries to lessen the risk of information leaking out due to poor information protection by the user.

      Well, I think I'll keep a copy of this around to show people what "IA training" meant as recently as 2004. It should go a long way toward educating those who are overly enamored of the DoD's security measures.

      Thus, in the "What is PSP ...?" slide, we read that "[P2P] is risky! It bypasses security or control mechanisms."

      Uh, really? All of them that I've used are trivially blocked by the feeblest of firewalls. Is the government's security really so bad that a default install of a P2P package (the only install most people ever do) can just make TCP connections to anywhere and start passing out secret documents? That's what this seems to be saying.

      The reminder that "a security policy is only as strong as the people abiding by it" is quite true, of course. But really, does my home download of the latest knoppix or ubuntu iso via a torrent really constitute a threat to government security? If so, we're in much worse shape than I thought. I mean, I did some work on security software for the Air Force 20 years ago, so I saw enough of their cluelessness to be not overly impressed by the phrase "military security". But I haven't been involved since then, and I hadn't realized that things were as bad as this "educational" document implies.

      If this was really part of an IA "educational" program, we're in sorry shape.

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    23. Re:Oh, lookie here by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's - Cooties?

      Makes it easier to see if there are any cables strung between the two computers. Also makes it more obvious if someone is taking something out of the one machine to attach to the unclassified machine (such as storage media). Assuming that someone is watching (or that there is surveilance footage being archived).

      (Both hurdles are bypassible with a little sleight-of-hand. Newer wireless protocols such as Bluetooth, WiFi, IR make things even more difficult. But it at least raises the bar a little bit)

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    24. Re:Oh, lookie here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's - Cooties?

      No, phreaking. Though generally that's more of a concern with monitor distance as opposed to CPU distances...

    25. Re:Oh, lookie here by JPribe · · Score: 1

      You'd be amazed at what non-techy ppl can do with a quick google search. It is the "knows enough to be dangerous" situation.

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    26. Re:Oh, lookie here by jafac · · Score: 1

      The hilarity of this pdf, is that it's really a Power-Point presentation that's been transferred to PDF format - probably out of some misplaced concern for portability.

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    27. Re:Oh, lookie here by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Chances are the password policy IS enforced, but they have to mention it in the slides anyway. Most government systems actually have password requirements so stringent that I think they're counterproductive, since they're well into the "I'd better write that down or I'll never remember it" category. Technically writing it down is a violation too, but people are people.

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    28. Re:Oh, lookie here by Yakko · · Score: 1
      CLASSIFIED CPU's should be at least 3 feet from UNCLASSIFIED CPU's

      IF the government is stupid enough to mix classified and unclas machines in the same vicinity, this might have to do with RFI, as an earlier post stated. Generally speaking, the classified computers and networks are physically separate from the unclas stuff (as in, separated by a vault or a bunker).

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    29. Re:Oh, lookie here by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      For official use only, until released.

      Do you fear reprisal for tearing tags off your matress too?

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    30. Re:Oh, lookie here by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Although only God knows why 3 ft is the magic number

      It's a nice round number that people can easily judge by eyeball, and it's generous enough to encompass all the likely scenarios with plenty of "fudge factor" for those dunderheads who figure it's OK if they "bend" the rule a little? The real, tested minimum was probably something inscrutable and random like "68 centimeters". "3 feet" is a good Magic Number. It approximates a yard, a meter, one long step or pace for an average height human, the distance from the floor to the waist area for same; it's a very "human scale" distance.

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  3. Wow... by nexcomlink · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why has this not been done before? But let me guess the encryption is ROT13.

    1. Re:Wow... by neuro.slug · · Score: 4, Funny

      Incorrect. Upper management thought that ROT13 was so good, they're using it twice for encryption.

    2. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why has this not been done before?

      Well, y'know, it isn't like the information was anything important... like, you know, information about exactly what the bush administration is doing with your tax dollars or anything. It was just like personal information on veterans and stuff. We can afford a few gigantic slip-ups there.

    3. Re:Wow... by spun · · Score: 1

      That joke never gets old...

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    4. Re:Wow... by Jim+Hall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Be careful where you point that joke. My .sig at work over the last few years has been:

      This email message has been encrypted using the ROT-26 cipher.

      ..and I still get email from people to tell me that their computer was able to read my email, so Outlook must support this "ROT-26" encryption thing. And they aren't joking.

  4. Yes but what do you do about... by johnnywheeze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those people who have legitimate access to that data leaking the information? Was there a huge wave of hacker activity stealing and disseminating classified material lately? Because I must have missed it.

    Mostly I remember people INSIDE government agencies leaking this information to the press on purpose, to disclose high shenanigans and malfeasence in the Bush administration.

    This doesn't do much to stop this kind of leak, but makes it much easier to track down those who do leak information. I don't think this has as much to do with security, as it does fear and punishment.

    1. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This doesn't do much to stop this kind of leak, but makes it much easier to track down those who do leak information. I don't think this has as much to do with security, as it does fear and punishment.
      What else do they have now? I'm sure they bought the loyalty of some back in the earlier days of the regime, but those bought people are now probably lying on a beach in the Bahamas (and possibly still alive). Others the regime resorted to threatening and blackmailing to get what they wanted from, but now they're in their final term, the threat is rapidly diminishing, unless the regime somehow finds a method of extending the its current tenure. (More bogus 'terrorist attacks' imminent? A threat against the electorate requiring the indefinite postponement of elections? Nah, that's just paranoid crazy talk!)
    2. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by Gavin+Rogers · · Score: 1

      Mostly I remember people INSIDE government agencies leaking this information to the press on purpose, to disclose high shenanigans and malfeasence in the Bush administration.

      You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason...

    3. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by oddfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason...

      Maybe if this administration was a little more well-liked they'd be able to convince people that the leaking of it's shortcomings and bastardization of the law(s) of the land was a real threat. As it stands, the only thing these leaks are doing is proving to your average American that, hey, Bush really is the bastard the ultra-liberals decried him as in the first place.

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    4. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As it stands, the only thing these leaks are doing is proving to your average American that, hey, Bush really is the bastard the ultra-liberals decried him as in the first place.

      Except that the "average American" is not quite as "average" as the classist ultra-liberals envision him. What it really does is cause the "NASCAR Dads" and "Soccer Moms" to get even more disgusted with the mainstream news spigots and start seeking less-biased and more representative sources. That, of course, can only hurt the bottom lines of the Old Guard.

      To successfully compete with an Internet across which one can aggregate news (and opinions) from all over the political spectrum, a traditional mainstream outlet will have to either clearly claim allegiance to one pole (e.g., Fox News) or genuinely have no political leanings or agenda (e.g., nobody right now). The days in which an outlet can pose as unbiased while actually trying to manipulate opinion with stories slanted either left or right are dwindling, or so say the accountants...

    5. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason...

      Yes, but with the Republican controlled legislature, the high crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush administration seem to go unnoticed.

    6. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "or genuinely have no political leanings or agenda (e.g., nobody right now)."

      I don't think that such a perspective is possible. First of all, I've never seen a theory or technique enumerated or even hinted at for achieving a biasless perspective. I can't help but conclude that human communication is inherenly biased. Even if there were such a technique, would human organizations be able to achieve that standard with limited time and resources?

      Let's say that you did have a biasless report on something. You still have to present the information in serial order. Which side gets to make the 'first move'? (Whose side is presented first?) Who gets the last word? Who gets more words? Who gets longer quotes?

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    7. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by sethstorm · · Score: 1


      You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason...

      Y'know, a certain Yalie named The Beast who's got many of his own demonspawn in offices all over seems to grant Rove a nice exemption from treason.
      Go back to the LGF, and stay back in your nice little Yale-styled gated community.

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    8. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. It might have qualified as sedition, under the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 or the Sedition Act of 1918... ... But the first was overturned by the Supreme Court and the second was repealed by Congress.

      I find that most people who throw about the word "treason" don't actually comprehend what it encompasses, nor do they understand the historical & legal background.

      To commit treason someone has to overtly and willfully cooperate with an enemy, to overthrow the gov't. Anything else gets treated as espionage, since Sedition laws are nonexistant.

      You show me how leaks to American newspapers qualify as over and willfull cooperation with "the enemy" and we can talk treason, until then, please refrain from echoing the ignorant statements of others.

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    9. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1
      To commit treason someone has to overtly and willfully cooperate with an enemy, to overthrow the gov't.

      To emphasize that, here is the text of Article III, Section 3:

      Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

      The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

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    10. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      I don't think that such a perspective is possible. First of all, I've never seen a theory or technique enumerated or even hinted at for achieving a biasless perspective

      I won't disagree with you.

      Of course, the logical follow-through to the argument is that all journalists are frauds at worst, and merely "pundits-in-training" at best.

      Works for me.

    11. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by dfung · · Score: 1

      Government information is really not very different than corporate information in that most of the security issues come from inside rather than out. People need to have access to information to do their jobs, but it's the abuse by authorized personnel that is the most common problem. Of course, what you actually ever hear about is probably only the tip of the iceberg.

      People will look at whistleblowers in different ways. In many of the recent cases regarding disclosure of questionable Bush programs, the real situation here is that there exists a "proper" mechanism to raise issues with regards to the ethics and morals of government actions, and a big part of the problem is that Congress has forsaken it's oversight responsibility and short-circuited the governments ability to correct it's problems internally. The House Republicans have chosen not to pursue ethics violations, billing irregularities, and issues of constitutional powers. That's what causes these leaks to the press - right-wing zealots may say that people have done this to hawk books, but, even if that were true, it a smoke screen to cover the fact that many of these programs are clear violations of the law as it has been practiced through the pre-Bush history of the US.

      Of course, there are unwanted side effects of security programs like this. PKI infrastructure can get screwed up ("but the government won't screw this up!" ha, ha, ha) and that will prevent people from doing their jobs, possibly at critical times. It also creates a new and very potent point of attack for those who would wish to do us harm. Being able to neutralize the military or government though the security infrastructure is the kind of attack that they are currently least able to defend against - thicker armor and taller walls won't stop a mole or hacker.

      Even when it's not broken, these sorts of measures can pose a challenge. In the immediately post-9/11 days, people talked about the lame condition of the FBI information systems; that they were completely unable to perform the equivalent of a simple Google search across their own databases. I think old technology was a part of the problem, but the bigger problem was that that information needed to be compartmentalized for security reasons, just as it's intended to be. You *don't* want to have a global Google search available to all employees across classified data. That compartmentalization will only grow as security meausures increase. That's not a reason to not secure data, but certainly will have an effect.

    12. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by KarmaOverDogma · · Score: 1

      I do think you understand the intent behind this policy.

      However, Information (especially that which exposes "high shenanigans and malfeasence" under ANY administration) wants to be free, and where there's a will there's a way. It's just that the way will be a little harder now, which is the other part of what the Bush Administartion wants.

      So let's recap what the two goals are here that you and I have looked at. Security (AKA Secrecy) by means of:
      A) Fear (via the threat of Retribution) and
      B) Control

      These ideas are not new. But the levels they are going to are.

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    13. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by Shajenko42 · · Score: 1

      Of course, Bush's defenders claim that criticizing the government or the president is the same as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemies of the US, and therefore free speech = treason.

    14. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
      Oh, you know very well that they will make the argument that by revealing the program they are "giving aid" to the enemies of the US. In fact, I'm pretty sure they already have, just not in the context of the contitutional definition of treason.
    15. Re:Yes but what do you do about... by ayumi-chan · · Score: 0

      I agree with you 100%. I work around classifications a lot, and I can assure you that some guy taking home a laptop with that much sensitive info would never happen in the active military. Either the VA is one jacked up division of the government or this was a blatant attack on someone. If that guy had been military, he would be facing MAJOR UCMJ action right now.

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  5. For my job that's great.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then I call farmers for the USDA to ask them about their operations and they've been pissed about the "guvmint" not keeping their data safe (at least by their perception). Not that the farmers don't have more to bitch about but... Yay! I can placate more of them and make my life easier. I mean, other than that, why would I care?

  6. 5 years of "homeland" defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    numerous data thefts, and we are just now getting around to requiring that we protect our data ??? Makes you wonder exactly what our homeland defense dept. is doing, when it runs Windows, does not push good requirements on computers, and does not even have a place to call them about possible terrorists. Worse, congress debated over a flag admendment and has been complaigning about part of 1 billion wasted during katrina, but does nothing about our deficts, the corruption, or even the 10s of billions wasted in iraq (where is the money that was suppose to build up their infrastructure?). God help us.

    1. Re: 5 years of "homeland" defense by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > Worse, congress debated over a flag admendment

      Maybe for a suitably fraudulent definition of "debated".

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    2. Re: 5 years of "homeland" defense by Black+Parrot · · Score: 0, Troll

      > Makes you wonder exactly what our homeland defense dept. is doing

      Providing sinecures for Bush loyalists who are too big a fuckup to do a real job.

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    3. Re: 5 years of "homeland" defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are times that I really think that the word should be changed from "debated", to "debaited". Sad that congress (and the admin) is so slimey. Of course, everybody thinks that there own can not be that way, but there is little to no difference amongst them. Sadly, the only solution out of all this is to stop all lobbyists. But....

    4. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Makes you wonder exactly what our homeland defense dept. is doing, when it runs Windows


      At the risk of being labelled a trolling fanboy, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with using Windows (or indeed any given operating system) for a government agency.

      What is intrinsically wrong is not taking some time to investigate the requirements of the agency and configuring things accordingly, instead just throwing a bunch of laptops onto a domain and saying "There y'go".

      It may even be the case that they did configure things accordingly with strong encryption available and everything. But maybe no effort was made to ensure it actually got used. Perhaps strong encryption was used, and effort was made to ensure it worked when accessing databases - but some other application crept in for which it was easier to do a plain-text dump of the database onto an unencrypted area of the disk.

      In any sizeable organisation, desktop IT requirements are very complicated. Just saying "They used Windows. What do you expect?" isn't particularly helpful, and doesn't cut to the root of the problem.
    5. Re: 5 years of "homeland" defense by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > There are times that I really think that the word should be changed from "debated", to "debaited".

      Or "masturbated".

      Our country is losing two wars abroad and sliding into a fascist dictatorship at home, and Specter's got nothing better to do than lecture a near-empty chamber about his family history under the pretense of advocating an amendment that serves no purpose but to rally some knee-jerk voters.

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    6. Re: 5 years of "homeland" defense by GroeFaZ · · Score: 1

      Or "masturbated".

      Wouldn't that be "masturbaited", then?

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    7. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government machines run a government version of Windows. I don't know exactly what's different between the government and civilian versions, but I'd have to guess security and stability are two of the differences.

    8. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by gruhnj · · Score: 1

      It may even be the case that they did configure things accordingly with strong encryption available and everything. But maybe no effort was made to ensure it actually got used.

      This is similar to the current implementation of CAC cards for the military. Since about two years ago every soldier, DA Civilian, and DA Contractor has had a CAC card with working crypto keys intended one day to be used for CAC Logon, Email Signing, and EFS style keys. I joined the Army in 2002 and pushing out the CAC card readers has been one of the main issues IA wanted to push. It was supposed to be used for access to the Army Knowledge Online (AKO) portal as well, but no one used it. After two years of availablity, only aprox 20,000 soldiers has registered their CAC cards with AKO. Then they made it mandatory comming up here very soon. CAC Regristtion has soared to ~190,000, with ~40,000 users using their CAC for every logon.

      As with any federal agency, the only way to ensure that security happens is to make the punishment factor ( in this case no access) high. DoD has spent a long time settig up the PKI, generating the CAC cards, and trying to push the training to everyone so they will use it. Making it available is not enough. Executive Orders like this are the only way enforcement will actually happen.

    9. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      there is nothing intrinsically wrong with using Windows (or indeed any given operating system) for a government agency.

      Lack of knowledge on your part does not change the situation. There is a real reason why the NSA and CIA do not allow Windows in, except in areas that it can not hurt them.

      Using windows is a bad sign of security. For simple evidence, look at all the viruses and cracks; In addition, MS has nearly 100% of all credit card thefts, but about 1/3 of the https.

    10. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Worse, congress debated over a flag admendment and has been complaigning about part of 1 billion wasted during katrina, but does nothing about our deficts, the corruption, or even the 10s of billions wasted in iraq (where is the money that was suppose to build up their infrastructure?). God help us.

      Ten's of Billions of dollars in Iraq?

      Try $360 Billion. And as a result, I feel less safe, not more safe. Thanks for looking out GW.

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    11. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by jimicus · · Score: 1
      Lack of knowledge on your part does not change the situation.

      Just because it came from that big company in Redmond that everybody loves to hate does not mean it's impossible to make it secure.

      Difficult, maybe.

      Impossible, no.

      Using windows is a bad sign of security. For simple evidence, look at all the viruses and cracks;


      95% of the "viruses" in current circulation are trojans or worms which depend on either Outlook, user error or both to propogate. A mail server with AV which updates frequently, block every executable (if you're really paranoid, block every attachment and silently turn all HTML email to plaintext on the mail server), don't allow connectivity to the Internet and mandate a webmail client.

      Combine that with AD policies which turn a Desktop PC into a glorified dumb terminal which requires an administrator password simply to fart near, and you've got a reasonably secure system.

      Granted, it's not 100%, but about the only way to achieve 100% guaranteed security is to turn the system off and bury it in 6 foot of reinforced concrete. This is a government organisation we're talking about here, not "Nobby's Hardware" - anyone who is that keen to crack the security is not for one minute going to be put off if they discover that the systems in question aren't running Windows.
    12. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by Pastis · · Score: 1

      > there is nothing intrinsically wrong with using Windows (or indeed any given operating system) for a government agency.

      I believe there's one wrong thing: support of non open standards, in particular NTFS. And with Windows comes Office and its closed format...

    13. Re:5 years of "homeland" defense by ayumi-chan · · Score: 0

      I'll say this, we only run Windows when it doesn't count. Take it or leave it, that's all I got.

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  7. Which is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, is it "hand all your private keys over", or "white house uses encryption"? Who's in charge of these things?

  8. the real question is, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The Bush administration is giving federal civilian agencies 45 days to implement new measures to protect the security of personal information that agencies hold on millions of employees and citizens."

    Why would this data be on a laptop in transit in the first place? 15 years ago, I would understand the need to carry a bunch of tapes from location A to location B. With recent advances in networking the utility of carrying around data in a suitcase seems quite elusive.

    1. Re:the real question is, of course by value_added · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would this data be on a laptop in transit in the first place?

      The answer to that question would provide some relevance, context and insight as to the why the decision was made. Aside from the obvious, of course.

      I can't quote any specifics, but I remember hearing the tail end of an NPR story on the "laptop" incident mentioned in the article. Seems the person who had the laptop stolen worked for the VA and typically worked in the field and required routine access to a large database of records to verify claims or something similar. The impression I got listening to the story was that it was a case benign ignorance more than anything else. My guess is that kind of ignorance, both on the part of the laptop owner and his/her agency, wouldn't be unlike the widespread ignorance found in the private sector. I'll resist the too easy Blame Microsoft angle, but we do have a generation of computer users who grew up blissfully unconcerned with such notions of security, so it shouldn't surprise anyone when the folks in charge over-react, or hand down edicts to force everyone into line.

      Government does have a role in setting agendas (ODF is a good example), so I guess this is a good thing. At the very least, it raises awareness.

    2. Re:the real question is, of course by NexFlamma · · Score: 1

      And you dont think that sending information through a pipe is a bit more risky than having a person with a laptop handcuffed to their wrist walking it over manually?

    3. Re:the real question is, of course by jascat · · Score: 1

      Who cares what happens to it once it heads down the pipe! It'll get there just fine.

      It's obvious that the problem is not with people getting these things stolen out of their hands, but with people being careless and leaving them unsecured. It's a crime of opportunity. I think the goal the White House is trying to set up here is to make it so that it's completely impractical (for anyone but the NSA) to retrieve the information from a storage medium even if it does get stolen.

    4. Re:the real question is, of course by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why would this data be on a laptop in transit in the first place?

      Pick any very large corporation that provides any measure of benefits for employees. Chances are good, if that corp is big enough, that it's currently under some kind of audit by the Internal Revenue Service. If so, there's a strong possibility that some portion of the examination is looking at the benefits plans provided to the the employees. In that case, there is a laptop at the IRS, belonging to the Employee Plans Revenue Agent on the case, that contains the W-2 records of every single employee of that corporation for the last several years. That data is being poured into spreadsheets, analyzed, and moved around every which way. The one I installed yesterday had about 3.5 uncompressed CDs worth of data just to contain the wage data of the single primary taxpayer under examination.

      Yeah, there's plenty of reason for sensitive but unclassified data to be sitting on a laptop being carried around the country by an Agent. Happens all the time, and justifiably so.

      BTW, such data is required to be kept in an EFS folder at all times. That keeps it fairly safe, I'd say. It's certainly safe from the average idiot who breaks into your trunk and steals your laptop case while you're out in the field, eating lunch at some restaurant. And that, btw, is the single most common data loss scenario I've run across in the last half-dozen years.

    5. Re:the real question is, of course by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Well, I can't comment on US rules, but I work with protectively-marked ("classified") information in the UK, and essentially anything that's protected under the GPMS (Government Protective Marking Scheme) doesn't get sent over the Internet. Documents marked at RESTRICTED (the lowest level of protective marking) can be emailed, etc if encrypted (with the key/password being sent by another channel). Above that, forget it. If it needs to be transported, it goes physically.

      If you have a guaranteed secure network connecting the two locations then that's different, but if not, then it goes on paper or some electronic medium. In fact, for the most sensitive stuff, it generally doesn't go anywhere - if you need to see it, most likely you go to it instead.

    6. Re:the real question is, of course by Overt+Coward · · Score: 1

      Let's say I'm authorized to work from a remote location for some subset of my time. However, for various technical and policy reasons, I do not have secure remote access to the network from the remote -- I would need to then physically carry any information from point A to point B (and back again) if I need to use it in the remote location.

      If you don't think this is a reasonable scenario, then you've never done government work.

  9. Not "requirements" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just "recommendations".

    Which means this is likely to have zip for effect.

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    1. Re:Not "requirements" by zolaris · · Score: 1

      They are just recommendations, and thus have no teeth but think about the following: A) There is NO encryption or poor encryption in place on data and now there is a 45 day requirement to implement a TOTAL encryption solution. That would be entirely unreasonable. B) I DO happen to work at a cabinet level agency and while there is no requirement to implement these, turning around to OMB and saying "Well they were recommendations and we don't REALLY feel we need to do them" just doesn't fly. Remember OMB IS the group that is at least partially responsible for government funding (ya know that whole Office of Management and BUDGET). If you piss off OMB you will have a very difficult time in the future. Needless to say, there is a lot of running around like chickens without heads. Now does OMB necessarily know what they are doing, I will not get into that...

  10. They delete THEIR downloads after 90 days... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and require that ours are kept stored for months or years, or even "forever"? Is it me or is something running very wrong here?

    As far as I know, the founding fathers tried to protect the people from their government, fearing that it might turn one day against them. I think it's time to put this in practice. Not the government has to monitor its people, it is to be done the other way around.

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    1. Re:They delete THEIR downloads after 90 days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on now, this is just par for the course. Do as I say, not as I do -- that is essentially the fundamental principle of government. They (the power elite) posess the "right" to employ coercion as their means (do as I say), and you don't (not as I do). If that fundamental seperation between government and everyone else did not exist, then government itself would not exist.

    2. Re:They delete THEIR downloads after 90 days... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...and require that ours are kept stored for months or years, or even "forever"? Is it me or is something running very wrong here? ...

      ... Not the government has to monitor its people, it is to be done the other way around.


      Come on now, it's way too hot outside for tinfoil apparel.

      We're talking about data that's copied off to laptops for mobile use. Copied. The concern is over some federal worker or contractor dumping some subset of sensitive data (say, YOUR information?) off to a laptop while working on some report or mindless budget slide show. The issue is making sure that grabbed data isn't easily read by someone who steals the laptop. Whatever big momma database the data was extracted from is still sitting right where it was, behind the scenes. This isn't about "monitoring" you, it's about making sure that sensitive data, which might include yours, is not left lying around in some field office or a hotel room. You really think the founding fathers would have preferred the opposite? The article's not even talking about back-office database/file servers, which are a totally separate firewalling-ish conversation (though TFA does discuss clamping down on dangling remote access connections and requiring two-factor IDs for that, too). Drink more coffee (or less - whatever will get you thinking more calmly) before you post, dude.

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    3. Re: They delete THEIR downloads after 90 days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on now, it's way too hot outside for tinfoil apparel.

      Even so, when a random person uses encryption, they must have something terrible to hide.

      When the government uses encryption it is to protect the nation, and maybe even MY information, won't anybody think of the terrorists, rah rah go America!

      Somehow I doubt this would change, and if you pointed out the hypocrisy inherent in this system to a lawmaker, they'd probably rule that the public would have to provide all of their credit card numbers and such to the government so that the government could encrypt them and store them safely, then pat themselves on the back and spend $50 million bucks building a highway next to an empty, worthless lot they bought a few years before.

  11. In related news... by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Stung by a series of U-Boat losses, the Kriegsmarine is requiring all agencies to follow new guidelines regarding the Enigma code."

    Seriously, the US government is only just figuring out what encryption is for? Exactly incompetent are they?

    And before you get comfortable laughing at these people, consider for a second how dumb you must be to let these same people hoover up all your civil liberties...

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    1. Re:In related news... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I thought they only used the Enigma machines for the most ULTRA secret messages.

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  12. Uhm... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    > Mostly I remember people INSIDE government agencies leaking this information to the press on purpose, to disclose high shenanigans and malfeasence in the Bush administration.

    TFA (which I read for a change) says this is about the leaks of personal identity information.

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  13. THE TERRORISTS JUST WON!!!!!! by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Funny

    OMFG!!! By publishing this information the media is helping the terrorists! How will we ever win the wars on terror like this? I'm offended! There are folks that want to kill people out there!!!

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    1. Re:THE TERRORISTS JUST WON!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White House demands encryption?
      Well, encryption is only used by criminals, since honest people don't need to hide their activities.

  14. OMG by bky1701 · · Score: 1

    The government finally lost it's war with common sense. At least, in this case.

  15. Last week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You know, there was a time when doing that sort of thing was called treason..."

    You mean last week when King (real name) accused the New York Times of treason for revealing the secret domestic spying on American bank transactions?

    The patriot act needs to be renewed, these patriots need to be caught and punished with the full force of the law.

  16. Re: Nixon parallels are staggering by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Informative

    > The Nixon parallels are staggering.

    Bush makes Nixon look like a choirboy.

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  17. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    That's the most impressive thing I have heard from the U.S. Government in the last 7 years.

    It actually makes sense!

  18. Freudian Slip by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

    I think the DISA made quite a large freudian slip on page 43. Here's a screenshot. Are they trying to tell us something?

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  19. ROT13 by h_benderson · · Score: 0

    How does ROT13 work with binary data, such as MS Word documents?

    1. Re:ROT13 by lexarius · · Score: 1

      They'd have to implement a special extension for binary files. I think applying NOT to everything would be appropriately secure.

  20. Practical and impractical solutions.... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    A. Practical Solutions:
    1. As every agent who possesses sensitive information leaves office, shoot him.
    2. Destroy his/her/it's laptop.

    B. Impractical solutions:
    1. Build a new proprietary operating system for secret agents.
    2. Build proprietary hardware for them.
    3. Build scretive, propriateary network cards, that operate on proprietary, unpublished protocols.

    If neither Plan A or B seems workable, post Ask Slashdot for ideas!
    -

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  21. Quick, Start selling ROT-13 software suites! by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

    Call it something with "entierprise".

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    1. Re:Quick, Start selling ROT-13 software suites! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      You fool! ROT-13 has been compromised! Instead, use 2-ROT-13, as I have done in this post.

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    2. Re:Quick, Start selling ROT-13 software suites! by 10Brett-T · · Score: 1

      (shameless plug)
      Try this Perl module. You need double-ROT-128 to secure arbitrary binary data.

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      10Brett-T
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  22. Only a matter of time... by tonan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before regular users who need to abide by this policy circumvent or abuse this policy. Meaning data will still reside on laptops unencrypted because users don't see the need for additional protections. ("I keep my laptop secure!")

    You can put all the security you want on databases, firewalls, and file servers. But in the end, users still need to access that data. Therefore, accidental (or otherwise) leakage of info by a consumer of this data is the main risk of disclosure, not a hacker. We need to have better IA (Information Awareness) training first, and remind users of their duties to keep this information secure. Another layer of protection won't work if users don't understand how important it is to secure this data.

    1. Re:Only a matter of time... by me-g33k · · Score: 1

      Bravo! I agree with the idea but as most of the others moaning about cost in this issue, it will, of course necessitate additional costs. If you really want to look at root cause on this and effect change then this should be something that is ingrained into our children in the early education years (mid to HS).

    2. Re:Only a matter of time... by rahrens · · Score: 1

      Using a government computer is not like using your own. A government computer belongs to the government. When IT says "bring your laptop to us, we need to encrypt it", you can't refuse. If you do, they'll disable your account so you CAN'T use it! Or they'll take your laptop, and issue you a desktop - try taking THAT baby home every night!

      When my agency issues a laptop, it is already encrypted - the whole HD - an employee has no choice. That is how it should be. Of course, user awareness is ALWAYS needed! But IT carries the prime responsibility to ensure basic procedures are in place that will protect the system. (Like encrypted laptops.)

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  23. Why don't they use Mozy? by themoneyish · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Government should sign up on Mozy. They offer 2 GB secure data storage for free and 30 GB for $4.95. :D Here's the link: https://mozy.com/?ref=SV4DVI Problem solved. Next...

    1. Re:Why don't they use Mozy? by rbannon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Good idea! Mozy only supports Windows XP, and I am sure that's exactly what the government's using.

  24. Possum by Joebert · · Score: 1
    Right now, there's probably people out there somewhere giving eachother high-fives,
    They bought it ! Yes !

    Come on, there's 13 year old kids that know better.
    They're feeding everyone lines.
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  25. Beware, too by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Interesting
    the Law of Obstructive Conformity[1] which says that, given a sufficiently large ruleset, one can always locate a way to destroy any hope of mission accomplishment.

    Beset with yet another layer of Policies, Programs, and Procedures the things a bureaucracy will need are:

    feasibility studies

    staffing increases

    training

    miscellaneous budget increases

    Does anyone know the source of that quote in the Civilization IV game:

    The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding bureaucracy.

    [1] I am making this up.

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    1. Re:Beware, too by demachina · · Score: 1

      You forgot:

      - contracts and contractors

      I assure you CSC, EDS, IBM, Lockheed Martin etc are warming up their proposal teams because there will probably be billions spent on about a hundred contracts, or addendums to existing contracts, in a hundred agencies to do this. Its not like you can do it once and have every agency use the same setup, every agency will reinvent the wheel themselves, some will work, some wont, all will cost lots of tax dollars to implement and run, and its money pouring in to the pockets of big companies who live by feeding at this trough, and its billions more tacked on the national debt.

      This administration excels whenever a calamity hits the news they can throw $X billion at it to "solve" it, most of which disappears in to corruption and the pockets of friends of the Republican party.

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  26. Something to hide? by staeiou · · Score: 0, Troll

    Why would the government need to use encryption unless they had something to hide? Remember, only terrorists have a need for encryption.

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  28. Data management.... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Those people who have legitimate access to that data leaking the information? Was there a huge wave of hacker activity stealing and disseminating classified material lately? Because I must have missed it.

    Mostly I remember people INSIDE government agencies leaking this information to the press on purpose, to disclose high shenanigans and malfeasence in the Bush administration.

    This doesn't do much to stop this kind of leak, but makes it much easier to track down those who do leak information. I don't think this has as much to do with security, as it does fear and punishment.


    I am no Neocon and I usually don't agree with Mr Bush and his crowd on anything at all but this time I fail to see what the fuss is about. They are planning to:
    • Encrypt all sensetive data on laptops and PDAs.
    • Drastically harden authentication methods and make damn sure idle connections are severed.
    • Make damn sure sensetive information is not left lying around on hard drives all over the place thus decreasing the likelyhood of it ending up in the hands of people it wasn't intended for by accident. In short they plan to drastically improve the management of sensetive data.
    In my humble opinion these are all pretty resonable and sensetive measures for any government to take. My only question is: Why wasn't this done many years ago? These are measures major corporations have considered standard for years in order to thwart industrial espionage. I am quite frankly flabbergasted at the what the article seems to imply, which is that US officials, military bigwigs and intelligence people have been traveling all over the USA and the rest of the world for that matter carrying unencrypted sensetive data on their WinDell laptops.
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  29. No shit by godless+dave · · Score: 1

    My employer, an insurance company, has had similar measure in place for years. It's amazing and, as an American citizen, quite distressing that the federal government hasn't been following best practices for confidential data.

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  30. directly from the white house? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    GWB: "ya knouw, ey've heyerd 'bout a scjureytey syseym called 'ceysar eyncrypjein' - let's all use it, man"

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    1. Re:directly from the white house? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      GWB: "ya knouw, ey've heyerd 'bout a scjureytey syseym called 'ceysar eyncrypjein' - let's all use it, man"

      Ach du LEEEEE-Ber, Fritz! You left ze link to your German language vebsite in a post mocking the Texas accent of ze President of ze United States!

      Mein Gott!! Vat a DUUUUM-Kopf you must be, Ya?

      * * *

      Demonstrating once again that Americans don't have a lock on jingoism, nationalism, and general stupidity.

      Thanks for participating in our survey.

    2. Re:directly from the white house? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

      you didn't get the point of my post

      and what the heck does the language on my website have to do with how true my statements are? why don't you point out grammar mistakes? that's the same level of argument

      calling me Fritz is also racist, thats like calling english people "Tommy"

      lastly: who ever rates this - "dummkopf" is a german insult - since when are offensive posts rated higher than 0?

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    3. Re:directly from the white house? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      you didn't get the point of my post

      Sure I did, Pal: "Bush is stupid." And to illustrate that, you use a Phonetic Texan Accent.

      That's bigoted. Kind of like the way animators use a German accent when they want to quickly and cheaply establish that a character is a megalomaniac.

      calling me Fritz is also racist

      You got my point. I see there's still hope for you.

      lastly: who ever rates this - "dummkopf" is a german insult - since when are offensive posts rated higher than 0?

      Ooooh! "Mommy, Mommy, Punish the Bad Man! He won't let me mock Texans and the President of the US without making fun of me back! Waah!" But to answer your question, offensive posts get rated higher than 0 when they're *funny*. If your original post had been *funny*, not only would it be rated higher, I might have even left you alone. Next time, try *funny*.

      Now, give me your lunch money...

    4. Re:directly from the white house? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

      I start wondering why insults are rated 2 and true statements about the quality of apple products is flamebait...

      you know I made a joke... this is no reason to start insulting me... Its not like I saied anything against america or texas - only against one man, which is destroying lots of freedom over there and for justification its always "fight against terrorism".

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    5. Re:directly from the white house? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1
      by the way
      you didn't get the point of my post

      Sure I did, Pal: "Bush is stupid." And to illustrate that, you use a Phonetic Texan Accent.
      you see - you didn't get the point
      my point was that politicians often talk about IT stuff that they don't understand (security, control, legislation) just to impress people that don't understand it either... that's why I mentioned the "cesar encryption" which is the least secure crypto-system in the world...

      I used the phonetic accent to make it funny
      --
      The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
  31. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  32. Why we need it... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Funny
    So basically ALL data will be sensitive. We're not longer talking about CIA operatives or Pentagon generals with state secrets under the arm. It's the secretary of the editor of the "Golden Days" monthly that will access the name of one of the retirees it serves from her son-in-law's computer to see why Ms. Applewhite didn't receive her beloved issue last month. The secretary is not only not going to encrypt the data, she's blissfully unaware that her son-in-law hard disk is completely shared on eMule due to her son-in-law's imperfect grasp of eMule's share facility.
    The very fact that someone outside the administration is aware of the Ms. Applewhite / Golden Days incident proves the need for stronger encryption.
  33. So that's how it is... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They need encryption for their security but we can't have it for our privacy .

    (And yes I'm well aware that nothing is forcing us in the US to hand over our encryption yet but don't worry it'll probably happen sooner than you expect.)

    One law for the king and another for the people. We can't live like that...

    --

    "Bah!" - Dogbert
    1. Re:So that's how it is... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      (And yes I'm well aware that nothing is forcing us in the US to hand over our encryption yet but don't worry it'll probably happen sooner than you expect.)

      It's a sad day when conspiracy theorists have to cite what-ifs as evidence.

      --
      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    2. Re:So that's how it is... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

      It's a sad day when conspiracy theorists have to cite what-ifs as evidence.

      They've been trying for years...

      I think under the current climate it won't be long now.

      --

      "Bah!" - Dogbert
  34. encrypting everything by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    I wonder what is considered 'sensitive data' these days? Anything they choose or just certain things?
    And, will anyone in the public domain ever really know what has been encrypted and why?

    --
    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
  35. That's not what I'm talking about by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    When I download some kind of data from the internet, it is retained and should something against me arise in some kind of aspect (say, I am (falsly) accused of being a terrorist), a peek will be taken into my download history to find incriminating news. Like, whether I exposed some unhealthy interest in fertilizers or aspirin 2 years ago.

    Now, if a gov official copies data, 90 days later nobody knows anymore what he copied. It cannot be traced. 90 days is a very short time in our judical system.

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    1. Re:That's not what I'm talking about by rahrens · · Score: 1

      I think you've got this backwards. Your ISP really, really doesn't keep logs for that long. they don't want to have to buy the disk space to do that. Didn't you read the recent articles where the gov't is trying to force ISPs' to keep this info longer, for just the purpose you fear?

      And government agencies DO keep logs of agency internet activities - since our networks are smaller, the logs don't take up as much space, so we tend to keep them longer. Time varies by agency, I'm sure. And they keep them for just the purpose you mention - should an employee do something that should be investigated, they really do want that info available...

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      "Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash." Notebooks of Lazarus Long, Robert A. Heinlein
    2. Re:That's not what I'm talking about by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, it IS already the law here. They're just still bickering about how long and who's gonny pay for it.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  36. Why doesn't everyone (including me!) encrypt? by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every week or so there's a news story about someone having a laptop stolen, or being lost, with thousands of customer files on it. I keep wondering why encryption isn't being used. Under Mac OS X, you click one checkbox to enable "FileVault" and everything in your home directory is encrypted. I don't know exactly what's available in the WIndows world, but I'm sure there are tools that are just as easy to use.

    Of course, I don't use FileVault.

    Why not? Well, it's one more thing to go wrong. I'm far more worried about losing my files or losing access to them, than I am about having other people look at them. And, frankly, I've never bothered to find out exactly what happens when you use a standard backup tool on a FileVault-protected Mac (presumably all the backups are UNencrypted if you are running the backup tool from within the protected account?)

    So... I dunno. I don't understand why everyone doesn't use encryption, but I don't use encryption myself. Of course, I have reasons. Probably everyone else has reasons, too?

    1. Re:Why doesn't everyone (including me!) encrypt? by rahrens · · Score: 1

      You also don't have Privacy Act protected information on your computer, nor any other information that is protected by law. Many government agencies do.

      There are many different ways info is classified as to sensitivity.

      First, the most well known, the Privacy Act. Enacted in the Seventies, it protects your private information from accidental or deliberate exposure by requiring collecting parties to protect it from casual exposure. It limits that exposure by outlining just who is allowd to see it, and who the collecting agency can allow to have it.

      There are other laws, too many to outline here, even if I knew them all, which require government agencies to protect information they collect from the public from disclosure. One of the most important is covering proprietary information, or more commonly called Trade Secrets. Many government agencies collect information on how things are made to ensure that the thing being regulated meets the requirements of the law. This information, since the gov't is allowed to collect it by law, is also protected by that same law, from being disclosed by the collecting agency. We have to protect that info as strictly as we do Privacy Act info.

      Next would be operational data regarding the activities of gov't personnel in the day to day activities of doing their jobs. There are many different levels to this, as some jobs are less critical than others. Since some jobs, such as law enforcement, involve people's lives, theree are higher levels of classification to protect it. These levels require increasingly stringent measures to protect it from disclosure.

      Then you have the formal government classification system. Everything classified above a certain level is protected by an almost insane set of special rules. I've never been involved in that, so they can't shoot me for talking about it, since I don't know enough about it to be dangerous. I just know that those systems that contain that kind of info are completely seperate, and can't even be connected physically to unclassified machines. 'nuff said.

      All of this information should be encrypted, to protect it from accidental, or even, purposeful, disclosure. But that's the government, and that's as it should be.

      You can encrypt, or not, as you choose, depending on how much you value your information, or your privacy. A lot of people do, just because they like to feel that their privacy is important, and they don't like people snooping, even accidentally.

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      "Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash." Notebooks of Lazarus Long, Robert A. Heinlein
  37. This is really a conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really a Microsoft conspiricy to justify forcing the government to buy the next version of Windows with encryption features.

    1. Re:This is really a conspiracy... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      No conspiracy needed. Using Windows allows the government to avoid training users, which would be horrendously expensive. It is easier to order new Dells/HPs/Gateways, install the standard image, and press on.

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      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  38. In related news ... by NoSalt · · Score: 0

    In related news ...
    "Stung by a series of intrusive and unconstitutional data and voice snooping over the past who knows how long, citizens should be requiring themselves, family, and friends to follow new encryption guidelines for data and voice communication."
  39. Re:Nixon parallels are staggering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't seem very close to me. Nixon, by and large, did sensible things that worked. He didn't underestimate foreign enemies, or tell lies to himself and believe in them. He was unlucky to get caught doing something illegal.

    Bush seems to live in his own world of paranoia. He proposes completely unworkable theories and then tries to operate them. A 'war on terror' is a completely meaningless policy. He seems to have no knowledge of what is happening in the world, and is a standing joke to everyone outside America. Almost every one of his actions is illegal, in US and International law, but noone seems to be able to do anything about it.

    Interestingly, the parallels with Hitler leave Bush looking worse as well. At least everything Hitler did was intended to promote Germany and the German people, and for a while was quite successful. Bush's first term was a business-crony promoting disaster, and the Americans inexplicably voted for more of the same. Now we have incompetence at every level, the world hates us, and we haven't even got France and Poland to compensate!

  40. speed by FiberOPtic · · Score: 1

    to the 20th centery welcome - happy i am that the money now wil be secure i am

    yoda simulater ends

    g day

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  41. Digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Have the editors noticed that their increased political bias has exactly coincided with users' move to Digg.com?

    Much like the broadcast networks. The more biased they became, the better for FOX News.

  42. Neither. It's... by The_REAL_DZA · · Score: 1
    "Take off every zig"
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  43. It still won't matter by neonprimetime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    White House Demands Encryption for Sensitive Data

    It still won't matter. Just look for the yellow post-it note with the password stuck on the monitor, under the keyboard, or under the mouse pad.

  44. What's good for the goose... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    Will they be requiring key escrow as well?

  45. Privacy by bmh129 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show, "It's nice to see they're protecting their privacy."

  46. My solution by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 1
    How about instead of getting all uppity when someone leaks that you voilated an amendment or law, you just simply STOP BREAKING THE FRAKKING LAW.

    Sorry, still on my morning caffiene high

    1. Re:My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes too much sense, they'd NEVER do that. Unless they can figure a way to skim a couple billion dollars outta the Federal budget, anyways...

      Maybe they should take notes from RIAA on that...

  47. So what software packages will they be using? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    I only know of a handful of whole-disk encryption products that support encrypting the operating system disk:

    - PGP sells a corporate level product called "PGP Whole Disk Encryption".

    - SecureStar sells DriveCrypt Plus Pack

    What else is out there that is trustworthy? (Heck, do we even trust that there aren't any weaknesses / or back doors in PGP or DCPP?)

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    Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
    1. Re:So what software packages will they be using? by aesdesdesdes · · Score: 1

      Many whole disk tools are quite dated (many still use a DOS based pre-boot for authentication and some are really slow) there is
      one more up to date alternative (read fast) that uses a much more robust pre-boot environment (looks Linux-ish).

      Parts of the US Department of Defense (the Office of the Secretary for instance)
      are using very fast background full device encryption from MobileArmor:

      "Mobile Armor Device Encryption".

      I am not sure about other products but Mobile Armor is NIST certified 140-2 and has some really heavy duty government customers
      that say they are encrypting cellphones, Linux and Windows machines with it.

    2. Re:So what software packages will they be using? by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Adobe has some blazingly fast ROT13 based products out there.

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    3. Re:So what software packages will they be using? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, MacOS X comes with whole-disk encryption as part of the OS. It's called FileVault

    4. Re:So what software packages will they be using? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      That MobileArmor's DataArmor page is *very* light on details. No details other then claiming "FIPS 140-2" certification and allusions that it uses AES. What block encryption mode are they using on the hard drives?

      Not to mention zero pricing information on the web page.

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      Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
  48. Mostly already in place for some time by ayelvington · · Score: 1

    I work for a federal agency and we've had most of this in place for some time.

    Our VPN (AES) requires two-part authentication with user name, password, and time-key.

    You get dropped faster than 30 minutes :( if no activity.

    Max session time also applies. (Not unreasonable)

    Encrypting on portable devices will be new, but not difficult. All of our laptops have common access card (CAC) readers.

    Validating downloaded material retention will be the most difficult since that is exclusively a policy issue.

    Anyway, we have not had a problem with compromises.

    What folks may not realize is that the legal definition of "sensitive" is more challenging than you realize. An awful lot of information is available through a Freedom of Information Act request, so you really can't call it sensitive. Training people to recognize the more unique forms of information that rightly deserve protection (Sensitive Security Information 49 CFR 1520) and the like that is the challenge.

    Waiting for this to come across my desk...

  49. I have a feeling I have some work ahead of me.... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    I work for a large TLA. Generally, our security is pretty good. Fire up a wireless access point in the building (or try to; they won't actually connect to anything) and guys with guns and a laptop running Fedora Core and some scanning software will be walking your floor in short order. I had to carry a couple of them around yesterday while we tried to track down a signal that we finally decided was coming from outside. Last time I saw them, the guys with guns were walking the parking lot, looking for someone with a laptop who shouldn't be there.

    We also use encrypted VPN tunnels for remote access and, by default, require all data categorized "sensitive but unclassified" and above to be kept in encrypted folders. As a nearly all-XP shop, that generally means EFS.

    I would imagine that we're on par with or better than most agencies. But getting that last little bit, getting into full compliance with these requirements is almost certainly going to require whole-disk encryption.

    We can do that in hardware or software. Anybody have any thoughts on the best way to implement whole disk encryption on 100,000 computers in a short time frame? That's both a serious question and a problem statement; any insight into how you do it at your big corp/gov entity would be much appreciated.

  50. Sounds like my last download by midicase · · Score: 1

    encrypt all data
    two-factor authentication -- a password plus a physical device such as a key card
    automatically severed
    keeping detailed records of any information downloaded
    verify that those records are deleted

    Sounds like a DRM music download. Maybe they could take a lesson from the music/movie industry.

    1. Re:Sounds like my last download by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      You jest, but would you be surprised if these conveniently well-publicized breaches are a stalking horse to develop public support for Trusted Computing, which is in and of itself the intellectual "property" cartel's wet dream?

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      I too have felt the cold finger of injustice.
  51. 3-foot rule by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually the physical separation is much more important than just keeping people from sticking the media in the wrong drive. If that was the only issue, they could just color-code the computers and media and probably be OK.

    The concern has to do with radiation produced by equipment; classified systems are shielded (sometimes) or kept in shielded rooms (more commonly, because actual shielded equipment is more expensive) with RF chokes on all the lines going in and out. The idea being that you don't want somebody to be able to listen to RF signals that your monitor on your classified system is putting out, by attaching an antenna to the building's cold-water pipe.

    Where the problem gets even more complicated is that you can compromise a well-shielded system (one that doesn't radiate any information back into the power lines, etc.) if you put it close to an un-shielded (unclassified) system. The RF being produced by the shielded system will couple to the coils and whatnot in the unshielded system (which doesn't have any fancy chokes on its connections) and now you're back to radiating classified information into the building's power/water grid.

    The '3 foot rule' is definitely arbitrary, but apparently it's the distance at which the people who are paid to think about these things believe that a classified system won't interact with an unclassified system and produce any significant radiation back into the building's infrastructure. If it sounds paranoid, that's because it is -- this was all Cold War era research -- but that doesn't meant it's not still true.

    You're right though in saying that the artificial division between EMSEC and COMSEC and COMPUSEC is outdated and should be replaced with something more inclusive and relevant; however, the EMSEC precautions aren't completely outdated, and still exist for a reason where classified data is concerned.

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  52. Sensitive vs. non-sensitive: translation by plopez · · Score: 1

    Sensitive:
    the name of the mole they have in the opposition parties headquarters.
    source and destination of slush fund money
    the memo stating that the WMDs and terrorist links were bogus and just a trumped up excuse to send billions to Haliburton
    the names of US companies sending contraband materials to Iraq, Iran and N. Korea
    the plan to use diebold to steal more elections
    what they really think about the voters

    non-sensitive information:
    your name, SSN, mother's maidenname, credit card numbers,
    phn conversations, bank account numbers, medical records and job history.

    HTH

    --
    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  53. False sense of security by fdisk3hs · · Score: 1

    So once everyone gets a laptop with an image that has encryption turned on by default, people will feel secure about hauling their laptop around with sensitive data. They will probably even feel secure enough to leave it on the table in the coffee shop while they get a refill, "it will only take a minute."
     
    We all know that there are user friendly apps out there to retrieve data from encrypted files, though it will raise the bar a little.
     
    Using a hardware security device also could lead to a false sense of security, though it could be done properly. These days I have to log in with the aid of a credit card sized one-time key generator. That certainly would deter casual folks getting into government systems, but may be a deal where they are easy to circumvent (running a fat client for example, or an overly simple hardware connection).
     
    The delete after six months thing sounds impossible, and poorly thought out. But some consultants will make a lot of money failing to implement it! Think of it as FDR building the highways, investing in our economy...

  54. Comming soon to a government help desk by boyfaceddog · · Score: 1

    Caller: I need help opening a document.
    Help Desk: What seems to be the problem.
    C: I dunno. I just can't open it.
    HD: What format is it?
    C: I can't tell. The icon thingy looks wierd.
    HD: Like a padlock or a safe?
    C: Yes! How did you know?
    HD: It's encrypted, sir.
    C: How do I unencrypt it?
    HD: You need your decryption keys. Do you know what those are?
    C: Is that the really long number they gave me when I started?
    HD: Yes sir. Do you have that?
    C: Hold on. I taped it to my monitor.
    HD: Stay right where you are, sir. Two gentlemen will be at your desk to *help* you.
    C: Gee, thanks. Hey there they are now. Wait. Don't hand cuff me. Ouch! *beep* *beep* *click*

    --
    Here will be an old abusing of God's patience and the king's English.
  55. Why let them have it at all? by mirio · · Score: 1

    Why is my personal financial information being shared without my expressed, written permission?

    Why are financial records not given the same protections as medical records?

    I have no real problem with credit reporting agencies. These companies are in general very careful with data. I know that when I interviewed with Equifax I was very, VERY impressed by their security. Several steps to get in...everyone checked on the way out. No laptops/PDA's allowed inside, etc -- and I was just interviewing!

    The companies that I have problems with are those like Choicepoint (which, BTW has it's HQ right across the street from my office here in Alpharetta, GA). Choicepoint collects data on individuals including SSN's, DOB, account balances, etc. They are not privy to the protections of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (they aren't a credit agency). They mine the data and sell it to the highest bidder, and as we're aware they'll sell it to just about anyone with cash.

    And you can't tell me it's compelling interests either that make it permissible. I think there would be a lot to gain by data mining the nation's medical records. It would make medical research much easier as it would allow us to find relationships and trends in various ailments, etc. I'm not saying that it should be allowed, only that there's a double standard involved here that I think should be eliminated. My financial records are no one's business except mine and any creditor looking to give me a loan.

    Speaking of which...why do I have to sign a form allowing a lender to check my credit report...while Choicepoint can sell essentially the same information without my permission?

    1. Re:Why let them have it at all? by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 1

      I've just been reading david Brin's book The Transparent Society, in which he argues that there's no way to prevent big companies and government agencies from watching you. He adds that helping create strong encryption does more to help those same agencies hide what they're doing than to shield us from them. His alternative is to use technology and/or law to force those organizations to reveal what they're spying on. (Possibly with tit-for-tat measures like publicly posting personal data on CEOs' families, or putting the up-to-the-minute locations of all Congressmen on Google Maps!)

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      Revive the Constitution.
    2. Re:Why let them have it at all? by robertjw · · Score: 1

      Why are financial records not given the same protections as medical records?

      Actually, with GLB there are some very specific regulations required for Banks and Financial institutions. The downside is most banks aren't following these guidelines and the laws aren't uniformly enforced. The same thing is happening with your medical records. HIPPA rules are very specific, but the laws aren't being enforced.

      You have no privacy and all of these laws are passed just to make you feel better, not to actually regulate anyone.

  56. transparency implications by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

    Although this may help prevent massive loss of data as seen recently, it might also reduce transparency in government. This would be a classic security vs. convenience trade-off. but one with potentially larger implications which should be considered.

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    1. Re:transparency implications by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      By law, we're supposed to protect anything that is personal info. At least in the DoD. I guess I figured wrong in thinking that other agencies would follow similar rules. Even though this stuff is supposed to apply government-wide to Freedom of Information Act-related materials: in other words, the general public is not supposed to ever see your SSN, clearance, job title, duty phone, and so on.

      There are plenty of days when I wish that natural selection would get rid of the idiots in this world at a higher rate...

    2. Re:transparency implications by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1
      "By law, we're supposed to protect anything that is personal info. At least in the DoD. I guess I figured wrong in thinking that other agencies would follow similar rules."
      Yes. The problem is that other agencies were all left to their own discretion as to how to protect what. They do a remarkably non-uniform and rather spotty job of it, which is why the OMB is stepping in with more detailed guidance.

      "Even though this stuff is supposed to apply government-wide to Freedom of Information Act-related materials: in other words, the general public is not supposed to ever see your SSN, clearance, job title, duty phone, and so on. "
      I was referring to the broader implications for transparency in the sense used in political science -- the mechanisms of government in a democracy must not be secret and must in fact be transparent, e.g. open to public inspection, discourse, debate, and change. This notion is the mechanism by which a society remains "free" in certain important senses not much, or not directly, related to beer. Disclosure of personal details isn't "transparency" at all, which is why those details are redacted from documents released under FOIA.

      I pondered this issue a little more, here: OBM laptop security guidelines: implications for transparency in government?
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  57. Re:I have a feeling I have some work ahead of me.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check the article again, the whole disk encryption requirement is for portable computing devices (laptops and PDAs). Anything that is reasonably expected to stay physically within the walls of your facility is probably exempt. And given what you described, you probably have a very limited number of devices that go in and out your door.

  58. As Ye Sow.... by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A comment from Rob Pegoraro last week:
    Yes, some of this software can be difficult to use. So is most of the junk on the average office machine, and everybody has survived that. (The selection of cryptography software might also be better if the federal government hadn't spent years trying to criminalize a free, open standard for encryption called Pretty Good Privacy. But I digress.)
    He makes a good point -- if it hadn't been for idiotic government policies in the 90s, there's a good chance data security would have been routinely and transparently built into operating systems and/or firmware as a matter of course, to the point where you'd have to consciously do something to screw it up (rather than having to consciously jump through hoops to be secure, as is the actual situation).
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    /. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
    1. Re:As Ye Sow.... by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Are you saying knee-jerk reactions to any sort of liberty can come back and bite people on the ass?

      NO WAI!

      hehehehe. I think the security apathy reaches far beyond the government. I mean how many people really use PGP [or the like] nowadays anyways? Fairly low.

      Tom

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    2. Re:As Ye Sow.... by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      I mean how many people really use PGP [or the like] nowadays anyways? Fairly low.

      That's my point -- the stupid government policies made it impossible to incorporate decent crypto into data structures by default. (It might not have happened anyway, or might have happened with half-assed implementations such that anyone desiring real security would have had to add it themselves anyway, but it could not happen while the old crypto rules were in place.)

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      /. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
  59. Here is a stupid question - why take home data? by MikeLip · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why in the world would you want to take home a hard disk full of sensitive information, when you can work on it while it's stored at a remote location? It's called client/server, and we handle data that way at my job, and we're not even techie IT guys - it's just more secure and even we know that. If it's not on your laptop, it ain't gonna get stolen when the laptop is! Instead it's on a server in a locked room with some security around it. You don't need to take my identity home with you so you can get some work done on the freaking beach or while boffing your mistress, OK?

    1. Re:Here is a stupid question - why take home data? by ayumi-chan · · Score: 0

      ***stands and applauds*** Normally that wouldn't happen. The guy broke normal military operation procedures. I say burn him at the stake.

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      "It's a time machine Napoleon, I bought it online."
  60. Re:Freudian Slip, Not by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
    Don't ascribe to malice what can easily be ascribed to incompetence....

    The logo is just on a white (as opposed to transparent) background. Hence, it's a square which happens to cover most of Europe. It had to cover something since the person making the graphic didn't convert the jpg to a tiff or png that has transparent backgrounds.

    Likely just an office worker doing something quick in powerpoint without spending a lot of time finessing the thing.

    Leave it to slashdot to find something wrong with it. I'll bet there are some typos in there somewhere.

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  61. Re:I have a feeling I have some work ahead of me.. by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    you probably have a very limited number of devices that go in and out your door.

    About 80% of our computers go out the door. They are laptops issued to field agents, special agents, and officers, as well as a smattering of appraisers, engineers, analysts, and more. The whole disk encryption things is going to be very big for us. It might be easy if it gets well thought through before implementation. It might be a nightmare. I'm uneasy about the near future.

  62. No problem by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1

    I think it's only fair though that they use my public key to encrypt as well as their own. George Bush wants to snoop around my personal rrecords, then he can bloody well allow me to do the same to him.

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    Jacques

  63. Vista is the answer to encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word: Vista.

    Vista comes with total encryption of the OS. Everything. The decryption key and password must be given at boot time or the boot manager can't boot the OS. You can't do that with XP. Anyway, this probably means MS will immediately sell quite a lot of Vista licenses.

    Yes, you can do that with Linux but how many agenies run Linux? Also, I'm not sure that even works with Apple's OS.

  64. Where was the NSA by System.exit(true) · · Score: 0

    If my memory serves me correctly, the "offical" job of the NSA is to secure other branches of the federal government. Oh wait...must have been checking those illegal phone records and banking transactions.

  65. too bad linux can't do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad Linux, after all these years, still has no workable, viable in the real-world support for disk encryption.

  66. two-factor authentication is a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as the two-factor authentication. That's probably not going to work either. What they will do is install some kind of card reader or fingerprint scanner or something like that on the machine. The problem is that these devices are installed into Windows. So, sure, you won't be able to log into Windows and get the data but it will still be there on the hard drive. There are dozens of ways of getting around that sort of thing.

    If there is a reliable way of putting the authentication mechanism on the actual hard drive, the Fed. Gov't is a long long way from being able to enforce that kind of a requirement.

    Of course, if all of the data on the hard drive is encrypted this won't do you any good. You'll still have to break the encryption. But the only reason to implement a security system that is so easy to break is to give the appearance of security so that the completely ignorant perpetrator will give up and say, "oh shoot, I don't have one of those card thingies! I guess I can't log on." Anyone who knows what they're doing won't have any problem getting around this.

  67. Re:Furthermore by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Would unbiased or 'perfect' reporting or journalism be recognized if it existed?
    No clear measure, no absolute rank, and no proofs.

    If you could prove it 100%:
    How many people would reject the truth because they could not handle it?
    (at least 33% of the USA)

  68. stupidest security procedures i've ever seen by ayumi-chan · · Score: 0

    How about this you VA morons, don't have a laptop out side of a secure area with sensitive or higher classification! No remoting into the system and no taking classified laptops out of a classfied area. It's that freaking easy. Sure all those servicemembers' personal info is not deemed by the government to be of such a high level of class, but it SHOULD BE. Make it so! I'm in the military and I deal with classifications all day long. The VA should adopt the standards of the rest of the military.

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    "It's a time machine Napoleon, I bought it online."
  69. sensitive items and classifications by ayumi-chan · · Score: 0

    Normally you would need something like a 'courier card' to take that much information out of a mil site (even those deemed as sensitive). It would have to be reviewed by a security officer and signed off on. Even then, it would NEVER happen that you would take that laptop home! What kind of stupid #$%^ is that? (The guy who allowed all the info about the servicemembers brought the laptop home). The problem lies in the VA's operating procedures.

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    "It's a time machine Napoleon, I bought it online."
    1. Re:sensitive items and classifications by rahrens · · Score: 1

      Simple. The VA is NOT a part of the military, and does not adhere to military rules regarding security. Nor is my agency; we're civilian, and civilian rules apply, even if they are insufficient. Civilian agencies operate under different conditions, and many allow such information to be moved about, although anybody with any sense would requuire complete HD encryption for that level of sensitivity.

      But you are right, the problem lay with the VA's operating procedures, or lack of adherance to same. And the employee paid for it with his job. He is now a FORMER employee, thanks I am sure to his boss's lack of oversight, and the lack of IT secuity in VA procedures. Not all his fault, but in such cases where upper management is shown to be idiots, somebody has to pay the piper, and it's usually the little guy that's caught with his pants firmly around his ankles!

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      "Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash." Notebooks of Lazarus Long, Robert A. Heinlein
  70. That big woosh of air you just heard... by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    ...was all of the sphincters in the NSA and KGB tightening up!

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  71. All this is great in theory but.... by bored_thalweg · · Score: 1

    To think that government agencies that are already overburdened by humpty-zillion processes and procedures, have antiquated equipment and network infrastructure, etc. will ever be able to start encrypting all the data on their laptops and deploy two-factor authentication is a pipe dream. How do I know? I'm at the bottom of the food chain of a goverment land managment agency. I am unaware of any encryption that is being used on any of our laptops. There is no clear direction on what "sensitive" is, so I agree that we should just encrypt everything. I've heard that keeping a list of your co-workers birthdays with their consent is sensitive due to the Privacy Act. The laptops we have are used daily in the for collecting resouce data about everything from trees to streams to bugs. The are not state of the art and take 10 minutes to boot with all the background processes we have loaded (antivirus scanning, cisco security agent,etc.). They will be migrating us from Windows 2k to Windows XP in mid 2007 (no sense rushing things). Notice the memorandum didn't come with a check attached. I'm not whining because I know that there is a war to pay for and Katrina was expensive too but at some level these initatives take dollars in addition to memorandums. In the dozen years I've been with the outfit we have had flat or decreasing budgets every year. We have downsized from 45,000 to 32,000 employees. It will be interesting. So it goes.

  72. 30 minutes? by entrekken · · Score: 1

    The connection is killed after 30 minutes? That's generous.