I kind of agree with the initiatives in the schools, but if they start doing parades, they would better spend their time (and money) improving the quality and features of the software instead of doing parades which gather little attention. These events won't bring them closer to actually competing with commercial giants. They should do stuff like Google Summer of Code or something like that. Those I believe they it make things go forward because during a few days, people are supposed to be intensely involved into a project. Like pidgin, for instance. I love GSC because every summer, pidgin get's stabler and more features.
Parades kind of reminds me the "gay pride parades" which end up making them look more ridiculous. The alternative would be mardi grass, but somehow I can't/won't/don't wan't to imagine a topless RMS with beads licking Linus' nipples.
assuming I'm a bad software engineer because I know how inheritance works in JS? wtf? are you serious?
or are you saying "you know the language, but you have the opinion that javascript's features aren't enough, so you're not a good software engineer".
so, you complain that your car doesn't have front fog headlights, so you're not much of a driver.
"your opinion is negative about/somehow criticizes X, so, you're not a good X user."
again, if I haven't yet made myself clear in the other posts in this same discussion, I'm not complaining about the core language itself. That I know more than enough. I was complaining about the periferic features and primitives like the base functions.
The problem is, when will we have the chance to stop using wrappers to solve the problems caused by the divergence between different platforms, that only add additional dificulty, performance penalties, files, etc. When will developers be able to focus on creating new stuff from the start, instead of needing to first create ways to solve the problems created by others?
yes, I mean it's standard functions, but it doesn't matter if it bigger or smaller than any other language's standard library. What matters is if it's complete (or near enough) or not for the job it was designed to.
ok, I'll give you that. "the language itself", has about everything most languages do. but there are some things that in other languages you can find in libraries that you can't find in javascript. Javascript DOM, although not exactly from the language, isn't exactly a library either. If you see, it is, let's say, a javascript primitive. Several features are unavailable and unimplementable because all libraries for javascript are implemented over javascript primitives, which, although a very good set but, could take, at least, some polishing. Yes, I know there are a lot of libraries to wrap above the browsers API's and hide the differences. But how many hours were spent and wasted creating those libraries just to support several platforms, due to the fact that the browsers sucked on the implementations, when the developers that had to create those libraries could very well be spending that time on developing the projects they were trying to in the first place, when they realized they were in for major trouble?
oh, so you're just assuming I don't really know Javascript, because Javascript has prototype based inheritance instead of class based inheritance, which I actually can live with and didn't even mention. nice.
How will we manage to use this? Programatically by Javascript, right? Javascript is so limited that I fail to see how it will be to make this actually usable and applicable in useful situations except, as already mentioned before, in heavier and more intrusive advertising schemes. I understand that many may have been craving for this, but, to make it really interesting, Javascript also needs some cleanup and some more functionality. And, besides, I can already imagine each browser doing it in it's own way and developers having to set up multiple ways to deal with the differences. And whatever happened to VRML and X3D? weren't they supposed to also provide such features as WebGL?
not only navision. Dynamics AX is what was formerly known as Axapta, and there is at least one more old company integrated there. But MS works that way everywhere, buying companies worldwide and merging them in. All the top bosses there and a lot of the team members actually came from Redmond.
There are two "MS's" in Denmark, Vedbæk and Hellerup. Vedbæk is a development center and Hellerup is the local sales representation/subsidiary.
I was actually quite disappointed with my danish experience. Never felt so disrespected. And I should have taken that hospital story to the EU authorities. They refused to accept my european health insurance card, which Denmark, as part of the EU, is mandated to accept. Even without it, I was denied basic human rights and was forced to buy a ticket home to have a doctor take care of me.
Well, no XBox, not a very good salary and definitely, no relocation fee. I worked in AX in Vedbæk. I was extended the offer, but... well, after all that happened there, including being refused medical assitance in the hospital ER, while squeeching in pain from a gastric ulcer, for not being danish, being unable to sign up for a mobile broad band contract for the same reason and having had my appartment robbed twice... I took the message and took off.
what have you read about MDCC? Did you know people are running away from MDCC by the tens? When I got to MDCC, therer were 900 people here. When I left, they were probably on the 600. Now, over a year after I left, it has around 300. They lost 600 people in a year and an half. Many of other interns didn't want to stay. And why would the interns that didn't like the spot say something to the mailing list? That most probably would make them fear getting into some sort of black list.
My team there was great. My manager was an asshole probably with a grudge for my nationality. He treated me and all the other guys from my country the same.
But the perks were the same for all interns: less than for the full time guys.
no, actually, at least in Denmark, the backstabbing managers emerge early. I could smell him from a distance. We did have a fuzzball table and a "guitar hero" room, but that was campus wide, not an "intern perk". Actually, interns had fewer perks, like, not being elligible for the development teams paintball tournaments and stuff like that.
I was one of Microsoft's interns some time ago and I can tell you that it was nothing like they described in the article. I was actually very poorly treated (and my boss was a big jerk). Amongst other things (mostly Denmark related, and not directly Microsoft), my boss was one of the reasons I didn't want to stay there and why I made sure I wouldn't.
But, it was in Denmark (Microsoft Development Center Copenhagen), so it seems to be something localized.
Actually, it happened to me quite a lot, on several different systems and.. well... it happened. So I never again used Ext3. Was quite happy with ReiserFS for a while, but then, while ReiserFS might be nice for normal hard drives, seems to me it's a bit rough on flash media. And then, Reiser decided to go rough no his wife and it lost support, which meant I could no more rely on it on a long term. So I turned to JFS which is very light both on the drive and on the CPU and has been running fault free and smoothly for a long time, flawless years even.
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wtf?
glad it's not 31337 that's open...
no, that one would have rounding and divide errors
it is a hot product, however...
I kind of agree with the initiatives in the schools, but if they start doing parades, they would better spend their time (and money) improving the quality and features of the software instead of doing parades which gather little attention. These events won't bring them closer to actually competing with commercial giants. They should do stuff like Google Summer of Code or something like that. Those I believe they it make things go forward because during a few days, people are supposed to be intensely involved into a project. Like pidgin, for instance. I love GSC because every summer, pidgin get's stabler and more features.
Parades kind of reminds me the "gay pride parades" which end up making them look more ridiculous. The alternative would be mardi grass, but somehow I can't/won't/don't wan't to imagine a topless RMS with beads licking Linus' nipples.
spicy meatball that glows in the dark, actually...
Damn, you're good. Why did you have to "outpost" me? I wish I'd thought of that before.
sponge baths, given by sexy barely legal nurses in underwear, now that's healthy, in more than one sense of the word.
tinfoil hat warning: this is just a new conspiracy from bathtub makers and water suppliers to make us take immersion baths.
Actually, chances are, House is going to save some patient with some obscure theory based on this.
so, once again, you're just assuming.
assuming I'm a bad software engineer because I know how inheritance works in JS? wtf? are you serious?
or are you saying "you know the language, but you have the opinion that javascript's features aren't enough, so you're not a good software engineer".
so, you complain that your car doesn't have front fog headlights, so you're not much of a driver.
"your opinion is negative about/somehow criticizes X, so, you're not a good X user."
again, if I haven't yet made myself clear in the other posts in this same discussion, I'm not complaining about the core language itself. That I know more than enough. I was complaining about the periferic features and primitives like the base functions.
The problem is, when will we have the chance to stop using wrappers to solve the problems caused by the divergence between different platforms, that only add additional dificulty, performance penalties, files, etc. When will developers be able to focus on creating new stuff from the start, instead of needing to first create ways to solve the problems created by others?
yes, I mean it's standard functions, but it doesn't matter if it bigger or smaller than any other language's standard library. What matters is if it's complete (or near enough) or not for the job it was designed to.
ok, I'll give you that. "the language itself", has about everything most languages do. but there are some things that in other languages you can find in libraries that you can't find in javascript. Javascript DOM, although not exactly from the language, isn't exactly a library either. If you see, it is, let's say, a javascript primitive. Several features are unavailable and unimplementable because all libraries for javascript are implemented over javascript primitives, which, although a very good set but, could take, at least, some polishing.
Yes, I know there are a lot of libraries to wrap above the browsers API's and hide the differences. But how many hours were spent and wasted creating those libraries just to support several platforms, due to the fact that the browsers sucked on the implementations, when the developers that had to create those libraries could very well be spending that time on developing the projects they were trying to in the first place, when they realized they were in for major trouble?
oh, so you're just assuming I don't really know Javascript, because Javascript has prototype based inheritance instead of class based inheritance, which I actually can live with and didn't even mention. nice.
How will we manage to use this? Programatically by Javascript, right? Javascript is so limited that I fail to see how it will be to make this actually usable and applicable in useful situations except, as already mentioned before, in heavier and more intrusive advertising schemes.
I understand that many may have been craving for this, but, to make it really interesting, Javascript also needs some cleanup and some more functionality.
And, besides, I can already imagine each browser doing it in it's own way and developers having to set up multiple ways to deal with the differences.
And whatever happened to VRML and X3D? weren't they supposed to also provide such features as WebGL?
not only navision. Dynamics AX is what was formerly known as Axapta, and there is at least one more old company integrated there. But MS works that way everywhere, buying companies worldwide and merging them in. All the top bosses there and a lot of the team members actually came from Redmond.
There are two "MS's" in Denmark, Vedbæk and Hellerup. Vedbæk is a development center and Hellerup is the local sales representation/subsidiary.
I was actually quite disappointed with my danish experience. Never felt so disrespected. And I should have taken that hospital story to the EU authorities. They refused to accept my european health insurance card, which Denmark, as part of the EU, is mandated to accept. Even without it, I was denied basic human rights and was forced to buy a ticket home to have a doctor take care of me.
Actually, that was funny :P
Well, no XBox, not a very good salary and definitely, no relocation fee. I worked in AX in Vedbæk. I was extended the offer, but... well, after all that happened there, including being refused medical assitance in the hospital ER, while squeeching in pain from a gastric ulcer, for not being danish, being unable to sign up for a mobile broad band contract for the same reason and having had my appartment robbed twice... I took the message and took off.
what have you read about MDCC? Did you know people are running away from MDCC by the tens? When I got to MDCC, therer were 900 people here. When I left, they were probably on the 600. Now, over a year after I left, it has around 300. They lost 600 people in a year and an half. Many of other interns didn't want to stay. And why would the interns that didn't like the spot say something to the mailing list? That most probably would make them fear getting into some sort of black list.
My team there was great. My manager was an asshole probably with a grudge for my nationality. He treated me and all the other guys from my country the same.
But the perks were the same for all interns: less than for the full time guys.
I don't know, but don't think so. I don't think they have one there yet, never heard about it, but really can't tell.
no, actually, at least in Denmark, the backstabbing managers emerge early. I could smell him from a distance. We did have a fuzzball table and a "guitar hero" room, but that was campus wide, not an "intern perk". Actually, interns had fewer perks, like, not being elligible for the development teams paintball tournaments and stuff like that.
I was one of Microsoft's interns some time ago and I can tell you that it was nothing like they described in the article. I was actually very poorly treated (and my boss was a big jerk). Amongst other things (mostly Denmark related, and not directly Microsoft), my boss was one of the reasons I didn't want to stay there and why I made sure I wouldn't.
But, it was in Denmark (Microsoft Development Center Copenhagen), so it seems to be something localized.
That's easy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jT5vssOnPI
Actually, it happened to me quite a lot, on several different systems and.. well... it happened. So I never again used Ext3. Was quite happy with ReiserFS for a while, but then, while ReiserFS might be nice for normal hard drives, seems to me it's a bit rough on flash media. And then, Reiser decided to go rough no his wife and it lost support, which meant I could no more rely on it on a long term. So I turned to JFS which is very light both on the drive and on the CPU and has been running fault free and smoothly for a long time, flawless years even.