Couldn't this technology be used to effectively map volcanic movements of Venus? It does provide high resoution imaging through dense atmospheres. We could get some nice realtime imaging of Venusian volcanic flows.
Have to agree fully. The basis of building a sustainable (and profitable) presence in space is based on the ability to supply for ourselves in space. Essential space/mass heavy materials like Water, O2, Heavy metals are best produced in space. This will lower costs exponentially for human space inhabitation. Most of it could be solved with current technologies derived from past NASA endeveors.
Orbital Mining, refining, and remote manufacturing should be within the grasp of NASA to develop for the lunar, martian, and NEAR asteroids. All we lack is a reliable source of power, damn anti-nuclear lobby...
As for the effectiveness of Hubble, I agree it has been an amazing piece of equipment and should be maintained, however most of the science it has produced will not be useful for many many years to come. The next piece of machinery NASA needs to produce is a remote orbital repair vehicle. Put a vehicle in orbit capable of traveling from a refueling port on ISS to fix, refuel, and reorbit satillites in orbit. (ISS is the ideal location because we already have to visit and refuel it. On a regular basis.)
You must not be a shareholder..
Other wise your post would look like:
Fortunately money is everything when it comes to companies... It's all about shareholder value:)
Actually it is 1 billion in new funding and ten billion coming from the discontinuation of the the current shuttle and ISS programs. It is chicken shit budgeting for technology.
NASA has contributed very little in the way of new patented technologies... Those that it has are various sensors, electronics, programs..... They however can be responsible for the implimentation of these technologies into mainstream society. They found uses for existing technologies that spawned new uses in everyday life. In the case of TANG and dehydrated Icecream they have created markets for goods that had no practical use until the space program. Other systems like most personal computer technology they helped to develope into smaller lighter components that are easier to produce and use for civilian applications. We cannot rate a public endevoer on it's "produced cashflow" or direct market contribution. For proof of this look at the CCC and WPA created to alliviate the depression. The numbers show them as massive cash intensive failures. These failures are still in use today and in my personal opinion are the reason the US was able to recover economically for WW2 without increased military production.
Hence the reason smart people avoid the coasts and leave the liberals to settle places like LA, San Fran., Seattle, New York, Washington D.C., Florida....
Your point is not only stupid/illconcieved/poorly choosen. The setup of an outpost on another world in our solar system is not a save all lifereaft for civilization. It would be a safe stash of humanities accomplishments, and a chance to rebuild civilization.
Saying that the rich would be the ones that are saved is equally stupid. In the case of immpending distaster the buerocrats would save themselves, their hairdressers and equally useless people allowing humanity to begin again.(see DNA's Trilogy)
Alarmists piss off everyone. Pesimism is much more suited to slashdot.
Please let the US return to the day's of the Monroe Policy. We will police the America's with the Iron Fist of the American Bleeding Heart Liberals.
We leave North Africa, the Middle East, the Balkans, in the hands of the EU to do with as they see fit.
We will leave Oceania to Austrailia, New Zealand, and ASEAN.
The Rest of Asia we leave in the hands of the capable humanitarians the Chinese.
Enjoy!!
I believe that you to firmly hold to the old adage that "If you are not young and liberal you are most likely wierd; if you are not old and conservative you're most likely dead."
Take this with full strip of salted pork, because I know very intelligent (and technically adapt) young people that are staunchly conservative believing Bill O'Rielly is the best newsman since Walter Concite. (And thats the way it is.) On the other hand I have many other intelligent friends who I consider flaming (used in the kindest most loving way dear) liberals who have the firm belief that the cell phone is the invention to the devil. (However many don't believe in god so when asked how the devil, who they should also not believes exists, invented the cell phone they usually start throwing soy based products at me).
The real truth behind the use of technology in every day life is most likely related to those who find the greatest convience in the tool. The slant of the polls is likely to exclude:
-Single people living alone generally 18-32 however with growing popularity in the 40-60 catagory. -Duel Employed Married without childeren and using two seperate cell phones along with work phone -Those living in Anderson Tents in Northern MN and have forsaken technology entirely for a "simple" existance without landline or cell phone.
Could it be possible that the propaganda engine in the Russian Republic is still alive and well with 99% literacy. I happen to work with quite a bit of Russian text and have to say, it isn't an easy thing to write.
While I agree wholeheartedly that the Concorde was not an economically viable aircraft that does not mean that modern more refined and efficient aircraft (Mach 2 or more) could not be economically effective in today's economy. All that is required is more engine and airframe design. Without the Concorde we had very little knowledge of what was required to run a super-sonic airliner. Years of operation has provided the aircraft industry with that information.
A modern redesign of the aircraft could produce a lighter aircraft, with a more efficient design, built to fly routes like NY-London, LA-Tokyo, Tokyo-Singapore, Singapore-Sydney and other cross ocean business routes where the Concorde found it's exploitable niche market.
The other upcoming exploitable market is in the private jet market. The Lear jet design is continuing to increase speed of thier aircraft. Eventually they will hit the sound barrier. This will make for quick transport around the world, at great cost, a possibility and most likely a profitable market.
1986 was the only period of time William Shatners hair would have been considered fashionable. They were greatly limited in time periods in which Shatner could get laid.
How do you figure that? Noone has rewritten most of the history of Imperial Europe? England, France, Germany, Italy (have I mentioned your home nation yet?) all would have war/humanitarian crimes of the most dispicable nature to absolve themselves of if this were to be rewritten with the fall of the "Empire." However the US had inquiry's into it's soilders behavior in the Phillipeanes within 8 years of the initial invasion and human rights abuses. We did not at the time get the black eye we likely deserved for the mutilation and murder of thousands, however we have aired out our dirty laundry. Mostly because US politicians since have learned that Hollywood will if they don't. The lesson to this story, Don't bitch about the stench of our dirty laundry when yours is upwind.
Sounds Pretty.... I for one can't wait to watch the Northern Lights from a Balcony in Mexico. Couldn't care less if My brian is being fried and friends become mindless zombies.
I'm not exactly sure what else the Japanese expect to be able to observe with a probe that is low on manuvering fuel? Are they going to try for an asteroid in the belt? See if they can swing around the belt for a while? I just hope they don't aim it for Jupiter. After the last probe the Jovians might be upset.
--Air, Water, Food, all building materials, and the humans to operate must be lauched into orbit (first 500 miles are the hardest)
This seems to be slowly being addressed. However the best solution is to minimize the materials needed to be lifted into orbit. Most of the material needed for the construction and operation of an L2 station, Lunar Outpost, or other space infastructure should be produced in space at the lowest possible cost. The proposed NASA Tug's designed to stop small asteroids from hitting earth could quite easily push a NEAR object made of water, iron, nickle, etc into leo were the materials could be extracted.
This activity (mining, extracting, refining, and molding in 0-G) could have huge benefits scientifically in the US (and other countries) manufacturing community and bring support for further space projects.
--Radiation and 0-G are not condusive to long term life in space. This is addressed using brute force engineering on the Moon (bury yourself under a ton of regiloth. This can then be modified to be used in space. A condenced hardened shell of the lunar surface should provide a Mars mission with sufficient radiation and heat shielding at a fraction of the cost of launching that material from earth. Same with shielding manned Lagrange stations.
--Costs: Definiately difficult to justify because of the lack of positive returns on investment to date. However long term research and science along with creative problem solving are the precursers to creative success. Suriving in space nessesitates such problem solving and long term benefits will present themselves in the challeges we overcome.
Questions: -Is the Lunar station to be preminantly manned form the start or will it resemble plans for early mars mission plans? (Completing early constuction missions using such a plan could be highly beneficial.) -Is L1 suposed to be manned or just serviceable by passing ships? (Given radiation and other hazards of living that far from assistance it would make more sence to construct a serviceable automated platform.) -Who is resonsible to make the New Saturn V's capable of large payloads?
Costs listed for Space Elevators are optimistic commericial costs. L1 station costs are projected NASA costs. NASA costs have a x2 multiplier, Space Elevators commerical costs to NASA costs are a x10 multiplier. That and no self respecting American would want to climb your beanstalk for fear of the giant at the top. They all want moon cheese.
Bush thinks a Super Collider is what Clinton did with Monica...
Now point for point to counter your raving. Fuck the National Debt, every organization has debt and assets. National debt should be adjusted to average national wage per citizen (Higher then the $26,000 we each owe) National Debt is being dragged out of the closet again after 10 years. Last time it was Perot's pet this time the Democrats are scarmongering. Republicans know better and are attempting to recover the economy after the "e-commerce" decade run by the inventor of the internet (Gores) boss (Clinton) went bust. Don't blaim poor a poor ecomony now on Bush. Manufacturing jobs are on the rise according to articles in the Wall Street Journal and the NYTimes (w0rthle$$ rag). The recovery is on it's way...
Wait it out or teach an employer the true meaning of employee productivity; BUT DO NOT IDEALIZE THE "GLORY YEARS" OF THE CLINTON/GORE ECONOMIC YEARS. THEY GOT US HERE.
Now before you stop reading Bush has screwed the U.S. on every foriegn policy issue to date (other then the Fact that he just as I type has lifted the Imported Steal Tarriffs) He had supported and encouraged the use of sanctions, has demoralized international organizations at every turn, and used poor logic / bad intelligence in his international decision making. I support our troops and the nation rebuilding in Iraq. I did not like the use of "security concerns" as a reason for war.
Most of the money is actually going to Halliburton. Most people knew that they would inevitably get the reconstruction contract because they were the only company with the resources and the Know how to do the job, I myself have yet to pay a bribe to have anything done in the US, what makes you think US companies abroad are going to work like that. US business ethics are not that bad many other countries have worse and the Federal Trade Commission just catchs more of it... By the way you notice that the entire Enron Fiasco blew up in the first days of the Bush administrations control?? Thank goodness that the Reupblicans like fighting white collar crime, or are just more familiar with it.
The Tax Cut is what most people want to here they are getting. The rich couldn't give a shit less they just maximize benefits from sale of stock. The masses get a small check and use it to pay down debt (or help purchase new TV). It is a pointless jesture either way, but he kept his promise to those that elected him (No bitching about the Electoral College vs. the people please; if I hear about chads of any kind again I'll puke, still find all those elederly democrats voting Buchanean funny as hell though.)
National Spending on Science research is currently going to do the nation more good then bad. With the current budget we can innitiate a number of these large scale Science programs as the higher costs will take a number of years to affect us. This "from the tone of your post" I believe that you would agree with. However your reaction to a Moon outpost as pointless and a super collider is essentially like argueing Applied technology vs. Pure Science. Both are needed an earlier article on slashdot called (I am not going back and reformating now) Big Science has 20 Year plan ( http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/1 5/0419207&mode=thread&tid=103&tid=134&tid= 99 ) Great Idea Fully fund everything on the list!! However I believe that devoping outposts in space, on the moon, and under the ocean will put scientists/inventors/businesspeople in a position to to develope new applied technology, develope useful applications for current technology that will funnel into the commerial, industrial, and residential (remember Tang and velcro) markets. Things like material sciences, medical/biological sciences, robotic/remote manufacturing, and nuclear sciences could make huge leaps from people living and working in these formidable environments.
As for the IQ of the current president, after the legalese of the l
I despise the way most people look at the federal budget like they would thier own check books. Companies/Organizations of all kinds keep debt. The fact that the US government is able and does keep a large amount of debt ($23,646 per US citizen) is actually quite reasonable. This is offset by assets that the US government controls. Just like any company or organization around the world. Show me a company/org/state that does not have debt and I'll show you a company/org/state that is not fully exploiting its' full potential as an org. entity. I for one fear the day we decide to pay down the national debt.
However, the real question on the table is the current budgets allocation of resources to science vs. military/humanitarian/relief/rebuilding other nations spending.
I have to agree that the return that the US will see on Applied Technology Projects (Fusion Reactor, Moon base, Micro-gravity manufacturing and 0-G Material Sciences, Robotics (AI), Super computing) is much higher then any of this humanitarian based nation building.
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Couldn't this technology be used to effectively map volcanic movements of Venus? It does provide high resoution imaging through dense atmospheres. We could get some nice realtime imaging of Venusian volcanic flows.
Have to agree fully. The basis of building a sustainable (and profitable) presence in space is based on the ability to supply for ourselves in space. Essential space/mass heavy materials like Water, O2, Heavy metals are best produced in space. This will lower costs exponentially for human space inhabitation. Most of it could be solved with current technologies derived from past NASA endeveors.
Orbital Mining, refining, and remote manufacturing should be within the grasp of NASA to develop for the lunar, martian, and NEAR asteroids. All we lack is a reliable source of power, damn anti-nuclear lobby...
As for the effectiveness of Hubble, I agree it has been an amazing piece of equipment and should be maintained, however most of the science it has produced will not be useful for many many years to come. The next piece of machinery NASA needs to produce is a remote orbital repair vehicle. Put a vehicle in orbit capable of traveling from a refueling port on ISS to fix, refuel, and reorbit satillites in orbit. (ISS is the ideal location because we already have to visit and refuel it. On a regular basis.)
You must not be a shareholder.. Other wise your post would look like: Fortunately money is everything when it comes to companies... It's all about shareholder value :)
Actually it is 1 billion in new funding and ten billion coming from the discontinuation of the the current shuttle and ISS programs. It is chicken shit budgeting for technology.
NASA has contributed very little in the way of new patented technologies... Those that it has are various sensors, electronics, programs..... They however can be responsible for the implimentation of these technologies into mainstream society. They found uses for existing technologies that spawned new uses in everyday life. In the case of TANG and dehydrated Icecream they have created markets for goods that had no practical use until the space program. Other systems like most personal computer technology they helped to develope into smaller lighter components that are easier to produce and use for civilian applications. We cannot rate a public endevoer on it's "produced cashflow" or direct market contribution. For proof of this look at the CCC and WPA created to alliviate the depression. The numbers show them as massive cash intensive failures. These failures are still in use today and in my personal opinion are the reason the US was able to recover economically for WW2 without increased military production.
I think it is time for a little Bohemian Rapsady gentlemen.
I see a little......
Hence the reason smart people avoid the coasts and leave the liberals to settle places like LA, San Fran., Seattle, New York, Washington D.C., Florida....
Your point is not only stupid/illconcieved/poorly choosen. The setup of an outpost on another world in our solar system is not a save all lifereaft for civilization. It would be a safe stash of humanities accomplishments, and a chance to rebuild civilization.
Saying that the rich would be the ones that are saved is equally stupid. In the case of immpending distaster the buerocrats would save themselves, their hairdressers and equally useless people allowing humanity to begin again.(see DNA's Trilogy)
Alarmists piss off everyone. Pesimism is much more suited to slashdot.
Please let the US return to the day's of the Monroe Policy. We will police the America's with the Iron Fist of the American Bleeding Heart Liberals.
We leave North Africa, the Middle East, the Balkans, in the hands of the EU to do with as they see fit. We will leave Oceania to Austrailia, New Zealand, and ASEAN. The Rest of Asia we leave in the hands of the capable humanitarians the Chinese. Enjoy!!
I believe that you to firmly hold to the old adage that "If you are not young and liberal you are most likely wierd; if you are not old and conservative you're most likely dead."
Take this with full strip of salted pork, because I know very intelligent (and technically adapt) young people that are staunchly conservative believing Bill O'Rielly is the best newsman since Walter Concite. (And thats the way it is.) On the other hand I have many other intelligent friends who I consider flaming (used in the kindest most loving way dear) liberals who have the firm belief that the cell phone is the invention to the devil. (However many don't believe in god so when asked how the devil, who they should also not believes exists, invented the cell phone they usually start throwing soy based products at me).
The real truth behind the use of technology in every day life is most likely related to those who find the greatest convience in the tool. The slant of the polls is likely to exclude:
-Single people living alone generally 18-32 however with growing popularity in the 40-60 catagory.
-Duel Employed Married without childeren and using two seperate cell phones along with work phone
-Those living in Anderson Tents in Northern MN and have forsaken technology entirely for a "simple" existance without landline or cell phone.
"In soviet russia, the page writes you."
Could it be possible that the propaganda engine in the Russian Republic is still alive and well with 99% literacy. I happen to work with quite a bit of Russian text and have to say, it isn't an easy thing to write.
While I agree wholeheartedly that the Concorde was not an economically viable aircraft that does not mean that modern more refined and efficient aircraft (Mach 2 or more) could not be economically effective in today's economy. All that is required is more engine and airframe design. Without the Concorde we had very little knowledge of what was required to run a super-sonic airliner. Years of operation has provided the aircraft industry with that information.
A modern redesign of the aircraft could produce a lighter aircraft, with a more efficient design, built to fly routes like NY-London, LA-Tokyo, Tokyo-Singapore, Singapore-Sydney and other cross ocean business routes where the Concorde found it's exploitable niche market.
The other upcoming exploitable market is in the private jet market. The Lear jet design is continuing to increase speed of thier aircraft. Eventually they will hit the sound barrier. This will make for quick transport around the world, at great cost, a possibility and most likely a profitable market.
That's impossible, no just highly improbable, and to think all they needed was a cup of tea.
You're refering to Quebec right?
Alway's making us use that French speak.
1986 was the only period of time William Shatners hair would have been considered fashionable. They were greatly limited in time periods in which Shatner could get laid.
How do you figure that? Noone has rewritten most of the history of Imperial Europe? England, France, Germany, Italy (have I mentioned your home nation yet?) all would have war/humanitarian crimes of the most dispicable nature to absolve themselves of if this were to be rewritten with the fall of the "Empire." However the US had inquiry's into it's soilders behavior in the Phillipeanes within 8 years of the initial invasion and human rights abuses. We did not at the time get the black eye we likely deserved for the mutilation and murder of thousands, however we have aired out our dirty laundry. Mostly because US politicians since have learned that Hollywood will if they don't. The lesson to this story, Don't bitch about the stench of our dirty laundry when yours is upwind.
Sounds Pretty.... I for one can't wait to watch the Northern Lights from a Balcony in Mexico. Couldn't care less if My brian is being fried and friends become mindless zombies.
No it's the Judean Peoples Front, not the People's Front of Judea, ya poser (or the JPF not the PFJ.)
Actually I wonder What it would sound like if Jar-Jars final words were "Rosebud."
I'm not exactly sure what else the Japanese expect to be able to observe with a probe that is low on manuvering fuel? Are they going to try for an asteroid in the belt? See if they can swing around the belt for a while? I just hope they don't aim it for Jupiter. After the last probe the Jovians might be upset.
Computers, they are so naughty and complex. I want to pinch them.
Fundemental problems of space exploration:
--Air, Water, Food, all building materials, and the humans to operate must be lauched into orbit (first 500 miles are the hardest)
This seems to be slowly being addressed. However the best solution is to minimize the materials needed to be lifted into orbit. Most of the material needed for the construction and operation of an L2 station, Lunar Outpost, or other space infastructure should be produced in space at the lowest possible cost. The proposed NASA Tug's designed to stop small asteroids from hitting earth could quite easily push a NEAR object made of water, iron, nickle, etc into leo were the materials could be extracted.
This activity (mining, extracting, refining, and molding in 0-G) could have huge benefits scientifically in the US (and other countries) manufacturing community and bring support for further space projects.
--Radiation and 0-G are not condusive to long term life in space. This is addressed using brute force engineering on the Moon (bury yourself under a ton of regiloth. This can then be modified to be used in space. A condenced hardened shell of the lunar surface should provide a Mars mission with sufficient radiation and heat shielding at a fraction of the cost of launching that material from earth. Same with shielding manned Lagrange stations.
--Costs: Definiately difficult to justify because of the lack of positive returns on investment to date. However long term research and science along with creative problem solving are the precursers to creative success. Suriving in space nessesitates such problem solving and long term benefits will present themselves in the challeges we overcome.
Questions:
-Is the Lunar station to be preminantly manned form the start or will it resemble plans for early mars mission plans? (Completing early constuction missions using such a plan could be highly beneficial.)
-Is L1 suposed to be manned or just serviceable by passing ships? (Given radiation and other hazards of living that far from assistance it would make more sence to construct a serviceable automated platform.)
-Who is resonsible to make the New Saturn V's capable of large payloads?
Costs listed for Space Elevators are optimistic commericial costs. L1 station costs are projected NASA costs. NASA costs have a x2 multiplier, Space Elevators commerical costs to NASA costs are a x10 multiplier. That and no self respecting American would want to climb your beanstalk for fear of the giant at the top. They all want moon cheese.
Bush thinks a Super Collider is what Clinton did with Monica...
Now point for point to counter your raving. Fuck the National Debt, every organization has debt and assets. National debt should be adjusted to average national wage per citizen (Higher then the $26,000 we each owe) National Debt is being dragged out of the closet again after 10 years. Last time it was Perot's pet this time the Democrats are scarmongering. Republicans know better and are attempting to recover the economy after the "e-commerce" decade run by the inventor of the internet (Gores) boss (Clinton) went bust. Don't blaim poor a poor ecomony now on Bush. Manufacturing jobs are on the rise according to articles in the Wall Street Journal and the NYTimes (w0rthle$$ rag).
The recovery is on it's way...
Wait it out or teach an employer the true meaning of employee productivity; BUT DO NOT IDEALIZE THE "GLORY YEARS" OF THE CLINTON/GORE ECONOMIC YEARS. THEY GOT US HERE.
Now before you stop reading Bush has screwed the U.S. on every foriegn policy issue to date (other then the Fact that he just as I type has lifted the Imported Steal Tarriffs) He had supported and encouraged the use of sanctions, has demoralized international organizations at every turn, and used poor logic / bad intelligence in his international decision making. I support our troops and the nation rebuilding in Iraq. I did not like the use of "security concerns" as a reason for war.
Most of the money is actually going to Halliburton. Most people knew that they would inevitably get the reconstruction contract because they were the only company with the resources and the Know how to do the job, I myself have yet to pay a bribe to have anything done in the US, what makes you think US companies abroad are going to work like that. US business ethics are not that bad many other countries have worse and the Federal Trade Commission just catchs more of it... By the way you notice that the entire Enron Fiasco blew up in the first days of the Bush administrations control?? Thank goodness that the Reupblicans like fighting white collar crime, or are just more familiar with it.
The Tax Cut is what most people want to here they are getting. The rich couldn't give a shit less they just maximize benefits from sale of stock. The masses get a small check and use it to pay down debt (or help purchase new TV). It is a pointless jesture either way, but he kept his promise to those that elected him (No bitching about the Electoral College vs. the people please; if I hear about chads of any kind again I'll puke, still find all those elederly democrats voting Buchanean funny as hell though.)
National Spending on Science research is currently going to do the nation more good then bad. With the current budget we can innitiate a number of these large scale Science programs as the higher costs will take a number of years to affect us. This "from the tone of your post" I believe that you would agree with. However your reaction to a Moon outpost as pointless and a super collider is essentially like argueing Applied technology vs. Pure Science. Both are needed an earlier article on slashdot called (I am not going back and reformating now) Big Science has 20 Year plan ( http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/1 5/0419207&mode=thread&tid=103&tid=134&tid= 99 )
Great Idea Fully fund everything on the list!! However I believe that devoping outposts in space, on the moon, and under the ocean will put scientists/inventors/businesspeople in a position to to develope new applied technology, develope useful applications for current technology that will funnel into the commerial, industrial, and residential (remember Tang and velcro) markets. Things like material sciences, medical/biological sciences, robotic/remote manufacturing, and nuclear sciences could make huge leaps from people living and working in these formidable environments.
As for the IQ of the current president, after the legalese of the l
I despise the way most people look at the federal budget like they would thier own check books. Companies/Organizations of all kinds keep debt. The fact that the US government is able and does keep a large amount of debt ($23,646 per US citizen) is actually quite reasonable. This is offset by assets that the US government controls. Just like any company or organization around the world. Show me a company/org/state that does not have debt and I'll show you a company/org/state that is not fully exploiting its' full potential as an org. entity. I for one fear the day we decide to pay down the national debt.
However, the real question on the table is the current budgets allocation of resources to science vs. military/humanitarian/relief/rebuilding other nations spending.
I have to agree that the return that the US will see on Applied Technology Projects (Fusion Reactor, Moon base, Micro-gravity manufacturing and 0-G Material Sciences, Robotics (AI), Super computing) is much higher then any of this humanitarian based nation building.
Flame on....