I don't pay any convenience fees, checking fees, etc. These companies lay off workers reducing their costs and then charge the consumer for those savings.
I avoid Verizon for various reasons, primarily their total lack of ethics, as both as a cellular consumer and as a telecommunications contractor.
While Java is a high-level platform independent language, the coding enviornment has degraded back to the stone age.
From early days on the Model 33 Teletype coding FOCAL into a PDP-8 or ALGOL on the Burroughs B-5000 to Assembler on 808x/Z80/6502 platforms everything was one line at a time. Then, the world evolved to environments like Smalltalk or the wonderful Interlisp-D on Xerox' D machines. The super friendly and efficient coding environments died soon after. Microsoft's Visual series of environments for the C family of languages is also great.
Enter java. No pretty environment for such a nice language. We're back to command line coding. No more reverse execution, DWIM, Edit on Break and continue functions. We're back to the stone age. Sun and the Java Community missed the boat by developing a wonderful language with a coding environment that basically sucks the big time. We have de-evolved the coding world with Java. We're back to a Model 33 mentality for coding.
This is the way it used to be. The only true security is to be isolated. When I worked on secret stuff, anything that went into the facility stayed in the facility and, there was absolutely no connection to the outside world -- None.
Also, these wireless network electric/water/gas meters are easily hackable. Why not just but a big wide open door into their data center?
It's hard to take these utility companies seriously when they talk up security. If they want it secure -- secure it.
I have a book from NASA from years ago on Pioneer or Voyager that not only talks about gravitional waves, there are pictures of how they were mapped by the explorer satellites. The distortions and waves were pictured nicely in relation to the Sun as the satellites traversed the Solar System. I'll have to go through the old boxes and find those books.
We never have been able to get UHF channels here so the new-fangled whoop-dee-doo Digital TV means NO TV here.
However, for those with reception issues, visit www.tvfool.com and look at their tools/toys. They have some interesting tools that you may find useful. Where we are every station says, "These channels are very weak and will most likely require extreme measures to try and pick them up."
Since we rarely, if ever watch brainwashing ads, extremely biased news, inaccurate weather or bad programming, we decided we really don't need an idiot box anyway. We'll keep the big screen for movies but now, we'll spend more time outside enjoying our world.
Those extreme measures the say we need to take will be to feed the landfill with more toxic waste. I guess I could send the TVs to India or China instead.
Almost correct. "You" and "your" in this note refers to Microsoft
People are royally pissed off at the last product you released and it doesn't do have the things it was supposed to do. It was years late. Features were removed. And, most non-techie people who acquired it had tons of problems.
They had used your previous products like NT, 2000 and XP and were quite happy with those. They appeared stable, ran all your software and would do e-mail, web surfing and Word just fine (this is, after all, what most home users PCs do). There really wasn't a "NEED" to upgrade.
So, now that people upset with what happened, they are extremely reluctant to go through that hell again. They'll stick with what they have. Even corporate users are waiting for the promises you forced them into with the "new licensing" years ago.
You have lied so much that nobody really believes a word you say today. You have burned your customers and clients so many times that it isn't even funny. So all your promises today just fall on deaf ears.
The techies and those that need to have the latest & greatest simply because it is the latest & greatest will certainly dive in to get your latest puzzle but, most home and business users will stick with what they have. It works, the economy doesn't allow them to waste precious dollars on new stuff and, frankly, there just isn't any real need anymore.
It isn't that the programs weren't designed to run with vista. It is that MS designed Vista so it wouldn't work with a ton of existing software.
Software that ran fine without corrupting Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP won't work with Vista.
So, Vista has a "Compatibility" mode but, still won't allow you to run XP software in XP Compatibility Mode.
The solution was easy. Rather than upgrade dozens of programs that cost thousands of dollars, we just did away with Vista. No more problems and we saved a bundle. Did it impact our ability to be productive? NOT ONE BIT! Vista didn't make us more productive -- it did just the opposite. Vista didn't keep our overhead down -- it did just the opposite.
Sure it had pretty graphics but those don't make us more productive. Sure it has a side bar but, again, that doesn't improve productivity. It required more hardware with no return on the investment. ROI is important in business. Maybe not to techies but it certainly is to CEOs.
The bottom line was that Vista did not enable one bit more in regards to getting the job done. It actually inhibited it. You say contact the vendor but, some of our software was custom made and some other was by vendors who have since been bought out. Your option isn't viable economically.
I bit the bullet and bought a new PC complete with Vista. The first thing I noticed was that they refused to allow me to install my already existing software. A little box popped up telling me I wasn't allowed to do that. MusicMatch Jukebox being the first, Pinnacle Studio another...
So, I tried to mount my drive (foreign dynamic NTFS) from my Win2K box. Nope! That feature is disabled except for Vista Ultimate. OK, I placed the drive into a cheap backup box and copied the files over the network instead. That was done just for spite!
OK, the FAX. Nope again. Only business and ultimate support software send/receive of FAX. Thank you again MS!
So, I junked vista, put Win2K on the new hardware, added some drivers from the net and I'm happy as can be.
So, if Windoze 7 will allow me to do what I want or need to do, I'll gladly consider it but, if MS pulls the same crap they did with Vista, I'll be upgrading to a Mac.
When I worked on DoD projects years ago, things were obviously different. NO computer inside was ever able to communicate with the Internet.
If you brought floppies, CDs or hard drives into the facility, that's where they remained. No Media Was Ever Allowed out. None. Never. Nada.
When I worked nuclear power plants -- pretty much the same thing. Drug test and FBI check daily. No media that came in could leave. No systems could reach the Internet.
At the company facility, any DoD drives were removed at the end of your shift and locked in a safe until you checked them out the next time you needed them. They couldn't even remain in a computer if you weren't using it -- even for lunch breaks.
So, I'm surprised that as hacking attempts increase security actually decreased. Somebody really let the ball slip on this one. And, please explain how a Pentagon internal database had to have access to the Internet. That one just doesn't make any sense at all.
I've been reading some of the weird posts by both sides all over the Internet blogsphere. What an atrocity! Everybody seems concerned about the cost of Palin's clothes. They still compare Obama to Bush (who, by the way, isn't even running!) or Obama to Palin (Palin isn't running for the top spot either) and on and on. They leave no trivial matter untouched.
What they don't touch is amazing. The things that ultimately matter the most are the things the media and the voices won't touch. How about topics like Global Economy? What about the CIS Nations and Russia (most I've spoken with don't even have a clue what the CIS nations are and nobody knew what the Baltic states were!!!) so, obviously education has failed them.
They don't talk about Energy and where we are going to get it once Obama "bankrupts the [coal] industry" or how much it is going to cost. What about drilling that he once said Yes to and then No and then Yes and then No and now No. Hmmm I guess energy isn't important either.
Lets try national pride, trust and promises. Whoa! OK, How about treaties? You know those written promises that this nation made with other nations? Junk paper to Obama. What about those nations that we haven't really gotten along too well with like Iran, Cuba, Venezuela? Oh, they're our new "Friends." Hmmm This isn't working.
OK how about something easy like nuclear allies? You know, those other countries we trust with nuclear weapons? France, Pakistan, Israel,...? Oh, we're going to attack them (Pakistan) and won't defend them (Israel). Man, I'm happy I'm not a USA ally!
Education seems to have forgotten to teach 4 H's: history, honor, humanitarian and humility. These are things that are fading from our country's character quickly.
Maybe it is a result of the "Me" generation that has forgotten about acceptance, tolerance and common courtesy. Simply watch how people drive or butt in line or shove others out of the way. This "attitude" has now been carried forth to the election and how we, as a nation, will now act.
There is no more purpose to achieve what you can. There is no incentive to be better. There is reason to be polite yet firm.
------------------ Of course I believe in Millions of Stupid Voters. That's how we got George Bush! Now, those voters are going to give us another Obamanation!!!
I worked for a client that used a farm of web servers tied to their multiple Oracle systems. The web servers were all Sun Ultras balanced using Resonate as the balancing agent.
During prime time, we needed over 60 servers running but, between 6PM and 6AM, we only required about 15 to handle the load. By taking 75% off line every night (not always the same 75%) we reduced power consumption a great deal. By also shutting down 4 of the 6 Sun 6500s, we also reduced power of the data center.
In a year's time, we conserved over $80,000 in power alone and, had plenty of opportunity to perform off-hour upgrades and maintenance.
Failure rate due to power cycling was immeasurable.
I got away from any AV suite that relied on IE as IE is a known weak link. Thus, many viruses use IE to enter the system so I didn't trust an AV package that used IE also. That may or may not be realistic -- I don't know but, there are non-IE options out there so I took a chance. Since Opera is my default browser (Firefox and IE are also installed) I didn't like having the AV updater always startup IE or, in the case of McAfee, actually require that IE be the default WITH all security options disabled!
Also, many of today's AV tools update multiple times a day. Virus writers don't send them out only once a week or whatever so I liked the frequent update feature.
So, I tried Kaspersky, NOD32, AGV, F-Prot and others. I use a wireless router to broadband and have Linux, Windows 2K and Vista operating on laptops, desktops and servers. They all work just fine. I'm currently running NOD32 and like it however Kaspersky is a good 2nd choice.
I think that if the AV is properly installed and configured that it shouldn't cause any serious impact to performance. Sure, there will be some but my Vista and Win2k boxes don't seem sluggish.
I fly to Ukraine or Russia every year and have never had a problem. They do check to see what I have in the computer carry bag frequently but nobody has ever requested I show them the photos on my USB Memory Sticks or even turn on the PC. Unless there is a reason, they probably won't bother.
NBC censored the crap out of the opening ceremonies. They rearranged it a bit, blocked millions from watching, delayed it by hours and you expect them to honestly portray what happened? HA Ha ha ha ha ha
Thanks for the Beijing, Australian, German and other web sites that had the decency to be honest and allow the world to see the ceremonies in real time and as they happened.
NBC has done an excellent job of insuring that Americans cannot watch the Olympics, the Opening Ceremony and other aspects of what is going on in China. They are the first to bitch and moan about China censorship and just look at what they're doing now! Typical media.
They don't have cable out here so watching anything on the Internet from NBC is just not possible. They have effectively censored millions of Americans from watching the Olympics.
What they do have has been cut up and altered to make room for all that advertising. And, just how many times do I have to hear "Ra Deem Team" from NBC. If I hear it again, I'm going to puke!
Now, there are plenty of NON-AMERICAN web sites with the streams and videos! China has some, Germany has one, and there are others. You get the point... AVOID NBC and you can watch for free!
RyanAir is competing with United, Sky Blue and others to see who can be the absolute worst airline. When they start competing with Quantas for the most emergency landings they'll be right up there with the old Hughes Airwest (yellow banana). I survived two emergency landings on Hughes Airworst. I'm not going to push my luck with RyanAir.
I still use travel agents. I've tried Expedia, Cheap Tickets, etc. and they can really get you into a mess. One flight, Denver-Chicago-Dusseldor-Kiev had us with 10 minute flight changes! If one flight were 1 minute late, we'd have been screwed even if the departing flight was at the adjacent gate! There is no way to make some of the schedules these single web sites setup.
Then, they tell you they have flights ranging in price from some low value to God knows what. Try and get the low priced flight. It doesn't exist. OK, try and get economy to Chicago but Business over the water for the long duration. You can't do it.
So, I tell my agent that I want such-and-such airline because I have frequent flyer cards with them. I want economy to Chicago but Business to Europe. I want a minimum of 2 hours but no more than 4 between flights and, the fewest number of flights possible.
In almost every case, she can get me what I want at a LOWER price than the net services! The best part is I don't have to spend hours on the web comparing this to that and getting frustrated. I give her a phone call, she gives me 3 or 4 options and I say OK. It's that simple and usually cheaper too. Besides, she knows my food and seating preferences for all my international flights.
This is getting to be rediculous. My wife needed to find a new dentist. We made an appointment and went to the new dentist. He has this "Optional" form that authorized him to release your records to third parties. The form said, "By signing this form, you authorize Dr. ______ to release your information to third parties..."
We refused to sign the form and told the girl at the counter that we were not authorizing them to release any information to anybody.
The counter girl and the office manager then informed us that they could not have us as patients if we refused to allow this. Apparently, they make a lot of money selling this information and we would be cutting into their bottom line.
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Greed & Power.
Corporations don't do anything that isn't based on one or the other.
I don't pay any convenience fees, checking fees, etc. These companies lay off workers reducing their costs and then charge the consumer for those savings.
I avoid Verizon for various reasons, primarily their total lack of ethics, as both as a cellular consumer and as a telecommunications contractor.
While Java is a high-level platform independent language, the coding enviornment has degraded back to the stone age.
From early days on the Model 33 Teletype coding FOCAL into a PDP-8 or ALGOL on the Burroughs B-5000 to Assembler on 808x/Z80/6502 platforms everything was one line at a time. Then, the world evolved to environments like Smalltalk or the wonderful Interlisp-D on Xerox' D machines. The super friendly and efficient coding environments died soon after. Microsoft's Visual series of environments for the C family of languages is also great.
Enter java. No pretty environment for such a nice language. We're back to command line coding. No more reverse execution, DWIM, Edit on Break and continue functions. We're back to the stone age. Sun and the Java Community missed the boat by developing a wonderful language with a coding environment that basically sucks the big time. We have de-evolved the coding world with Java. We're back to a Model 33 mentality for coding.
Vodka?
This is the way it used to be. The only true security is to be isolated. When I worked on secret stuff, anything that went into the facility stayed in the facility and, there was absolutely no connection to the outside world -- None.
Also, these wireless network electric/water/gas meters are easily hackable. Why not just but a big wide open door into their data center?
It's hard to take these utility companies seriously when they talk up security. If they want it secure -- secure it.
I have a book from NASA from years ago on Pioneer or Voyager that not only talks about gravitional waves, there are pictures of how they were mapped by the explorer satellites. The distortions and waves were pictured nicely in relation to the Sun as the satellites traversed the Solar System. I'll have to go through the old boxes and find those books.
I live in the Rocky Mountains.
However, for those with reception issues, visit www.tvfool.com and look at their tools/toys. They have some interesting tools that you may find useful. Where we are every station says, "These channels are very weak and will most likely require extreme measures to try and pick them up."
Since we rarely, if ever watch brainwashing ads, extremely biased news, inaccurate weather or bad programming, we decided we really don't need an idiot box anyway. We'll keep the big screen for movies but now, we'll spend more time outside enjoying our world.
Those extreme measures the say we need to take will be to feed the landfill with more toxic waste. I guess I could send the TVs to India or China instead.
Almost correct. "You" and "your" in this note refers to Microsoft
People are royally pissed off at the last product you released and it doesn't do have the things it was supposed to do. It was years late. Features were removed. And, most non-techie people who acquired it had tons of problems.
They had used your previous products like NT, 2000 and XP and were quite happy with those. They appeared stable, ran all your software and would do e-mail, web surfing and Word just fine (this is, after all, what most home users PCs do). There really wasn't a "NEED" to upgrade.
So, now that people upset with what happened, they are extremely reluctant to go through that hell again. They'll stick with what they have. Even corporate users are waiting for the promises you forced them into with the "new licensing" years ago.
You have lied so much that nobody really believes a word you say today. You have burned your customers and clients so many times that it isn't even funny. So all your promises today just fall on deaf ears.
The techies and those that need to have the latest & greatest simply because it is the latest & greatest will certainly dive in to get your latest puzzle but, most home and business users will stick with what they have. It works, the economy doesn't allow them to waste precious dollars on new stuff and, frankly, there just isn't any real need anymore.
It isn't that the programs weren't designed to run with vista. It is that MS designed Vista so it wouldn't work with a ton of existing software.
Software that ran fine without corrupting Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP won't work with Vista.
So, Vista has a "Compatibility" mode but, still won't allow you to run XP software in XP Compatibility Mode.
The solution was easy. Rather than upgrade dozens of programs that cost thousands of dollars, we just did away with Vista. No more problems and we saved a bundle. Did it impact our ability to be productive? NOT ONE BIT! Vista didn't make us more productive -- it did just the opposite. Vista didn't keep our overhead down -- it did just the opposite.
Sure it had pretty graphics but those don't make us more productive. Sure it has a side bar but, again, that doesn't improve productivity. It required more hardware with no return on the investment. ROI is important in business. Maybe not to techies but it certainly is to CEOs.
The bottom line was that Vista did not enable one bit more in regards to getting the job done. It actually inhibited it. You say contact the vendor but, some of our software was custom made and some other was by vendors who have since been bought out. Your option isn't viable economically.
I bit the bullet and bought a new PC complete with Vista. The first thing I noticed was that they refused to allow me to install my already existing software. A little box popped up telling me I wasn't allowed to do that. MusicMatch Jukebox being the first, Pinnacle Studio another ...
So, I tried to mount my drive (foreign dynamic NTFS) from my Win2K box. Nope! That feature is disabled except for Vista Ultimate. OK, I placed the drive into a cheap backup box and copied the files over the network instead. That was done just for spite!
OK, the FAX. Nope again. Only business and ultimate support software send/receive of FAX. Thank you again MS!
So, I junked vista, put Win2K on the new hardware, added some drivers from the net and I'm happy as can be.
So, if Windoze 7 will allow me to do what I want or need to do, I'll gladly consider it but, if MS pulls the same crap they did with Vista, I'll be upgrading to a Mac.
When I worked on DoD projects years ago, things were obviously different. NO computer inside was ever able to communicate with the Internet.
If you brought floppies, CDs or hard drives into the facility, that's where they remained. No Media Was Ever Allowed out. None. Never. Nada.
When I worked nuclear power plants -- pretty much the same thing. Drug test and FBI check daily. No media that came in could leave. No systems could reach the Internet.
At the company facility, any DoD drives were removed at the end of your shift and locked in a safe until you checked them out the next time you needed them. They couldn't even remain in a computer if you weren't using it -- even for lunch breaks.
So, I'm surprised that as hacking attempts increase security actually decreased. Somebody really let the ball slip on this one. And, please explain how a Pentagon internal database had to have access to the Internet. That one just doesn't make any sense at all.
I've been reading some of the weird posts by both sides all over the Internet blogsphere. What an atrocity! Everybody seems concerned about the cost of Palin's clothes. They still compare Obama to Bush (who, by the way, isn't even running!) or Obama to Palin (Palin isn't running for the top spot either) and on and on. They leave no trivial matter untouched.
What they don't touch is amazing. The things that ultimately matter the most are the things the media and the voices won't touch. How about topics like Global Economy? What about the CIS Nations and Russia (most I've spoken with don't even have a clue what the CIS nations are and nobody knew what the Baltic states were!!!) so, obviously education has failed them.
They don't talk about Energy and where we are going to get it once Obama "bankrupts the [coal] industry" or how much it is going to cost. What about drilling that he once said Yes to and then No and then Yes and then No and now No. Hmmm I guess energy isn't important either.
Lets try national pride, trust and promises. Whoa! OK, How about treaties? You know those written promises that this nation made with other nations? Junk paper to Obama. What about those nations that we haven't really gotten along too well with like Iran, Cuba, Venezuela? Oh, they're our new "Friends." Hmmm This isn't working.
OK how about something easy like nuclear allies? You know, those other countries we trust with nuclear weapons? France, Pakistan, Israel,...? Oh, we're going to attack them (Pakistan) and won't defend them (Israel). Man, I'm happy I'm not a USA ally!
Education seems to have forgotten to teach 4 H's: history, honor, humanitarian and humility. These are things that are fading from our country's character quickly.
Maybe it is a result of the "Me" generation that has forgotten about acceptance, tolerance and common courtesy. Simply watch how people drive or butt in line or shove others out of the way. This "attitude" has now been carried forth to the election and how we, as a nation, will now act.
There is no more purpose to achieve what you can. There is no incentive to be better. There is reason to be polite yet firm.
------------------
Of course I believe in Millions of Stupid Voters.
That's how we got George Bush!
Now, those voters are going to give us another Obamanation!!!
I worked for a client that used a farm of web servers tied to their multiple Oracle systems. The web servers were all Sun Ultras balanced using Resonate as the balancing agent.
During prime time, we needed over 60 servers running but, between 6PM and 6AM, we only required about 15 to handle the load. By taking 75% off line every night (not always the same 75%) we reduced power consumption a great deal. By also shutting down 4 of the 6 Sun 6500s, we also reduced power of the data center.
In a year's time, we conserved over $80,000 in power alone and, had plenty of opportunity to perform off-hour upgrades and maintenance.
Failure rate due to power cycling was immeasurable.
I got away from any AV suite that relied on IE as IE is a known weak link. Thus, many viruses use IE to enter the system so I didn't trust an AV package that used IE also. That may or may not be realistic -- I don't know but, there are non-IE options out there so I took a chance. Since Opera is my default browser (Firefox and IE are also installed) I didn't like having the AV updater always startup IE or, in the case of McAfee, actually require that IE be the default WITH all security options disabled!
Also, many of today's AV tools update multiple times a day. Virus writers don't send them out only once a week or whatever so I liked the frequent update feature.
So, I tried Kaspersky, NOD32, AGV, F-Prot and others. I use a wireless router to broadband and have Linux, Windows 2K and Vista operating on laptops, desktops and servers. They all work just fine. I'm currently running NOD32 and like it however Kaspersky is a good 2nd choice.
I think that if the AV is properly installed and configured that it shouldn't cause any serious impact to performance. Sure, there will be some but my Vista and Win2k boxes don't seem sluggish.
I'm Shocked! Shocked I tell you! Microsoft marketing didn't speake the truth?!?!? Oh the shame of it all :-)
This was supposed to be in fun but I'm sure it will be "Trolled".
I fly to Ukraine or Russia every year and have never had a problem. They do check to see what I have in the computer carry bag frequently but nobody has ever requested I show them the photos on my USB Memory Sticks or even turn on the PC. Unless there is a reason, they probably won't bother.
NBC censored the crap out of the opening ceremonies. They rearranged it a bit, blocked millions from watching, delayed it by hours and you expect them to honestly portray what happened? HA Ha ha ha ha ha
Thanks for the Beijing, Australian, German and other web sites that had the decency to be honest and allow the world to see the ceremonies in real time and as they happened.
According to this article: Beijing Olympic 2008 opening ceremony giant firework footprints 'faked' the coverage was not only edited, censored, audio altered but the fireworks in what you saw may have been a computer generated graphic.
This reality TV is really cool stuff!
I would boycott NBC for censorship. The Chinese have a lot more openness than NBC does for the games!
NBC has done an excellent job of insuring that Americans cannot watch the Olympics, the Opening Ceremony and other aspects of what is going on in China. They are the first to bitch and moan about China censorship and just look at what they're doing now! Typical media.
They don't have cable out here so watching anything on the Internet from NBC is just not possible. They have effectively censored millions of Americans from watching the Olympics.
What they do have has been cut up and altered to make room for all that advertising. And, just how many times do I have to hear "Ra Deem Team" from NBC. If I hear it again, I'm going to puke!
Now, there are plenty of NON-AMERICAN web sites with the streams and videos! China has some, Germany has one, and there are others. You get the point... AVOID NBC and you can watch for free!
RyanAir is competing with United, Sky Blue and others to see who can be the absolute worst airline. When they start competing with Quantas for the most emergency landings they'll be right up there with the old Hughes Airwest (yellow banana). I survived two emergency landings on Hughes Airworst. I'm not going to push my luck with RyanAir.
I still use travel agents. I've tried Expedia, Cheap Tickets, etc. and they can really get you into a mess. One flight, Denver-Chicago-Dusseldor-Kiev had us with 10 minute flight changes! If one flight were 1 minute late, we'd have been screwed even if the departing flight was at the adjacent gate! There is no way to make some of the schedules these single web sites setup.
Then, they tell you they have flights ranging in price from some low value to God knows what. Try and get the low priced flight. It doesn't exist. OK, try and get economy to Chicago but Business over the water for the long duration. You can't do it.
So, I tell my agent that I want such-and-such airline because I have frequent flyer cards with them. I want economy to Chicago but Business to Europe. I want a minimum of 2 hours but no more than 4 between flights and, the fewest number of flights possible.
In almost every case, she can get me what I want at a LOWER price than the net services! The best part is I don't have to spend hours on the web comparing this to that and getting frustrated. I give her a phone call, she gives me 3 or 4 options and I say OK. It's that simple and usually cheaper too. Besides, she knows my food and seating preferences for all my international flights.
It didn't require anything anywhere near this drastic. We just went to a different dentist.
This is getting to be rediculous. My wife needed to find a new dentist. We made an appointment and went to the new dentist. He has this "Optional" form that authorized him to release your records to third parties. The form said, "By signing this form, you authorize Dr. ______ to release your information to third parties..."
We refused to sign the form and told the girl at the counter that we were not authorizing them to release any information to anybody.
The counter girl and the office manager then informed us that they could not have us as patients if we refused to allow this. Apparently, they make a lot of money selling this information and we would be cutting into their bottom line.
Sick.