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Worm Attack Prompts DoD To Ban Use of External Media

An anonymous reader writes "The Pentagon has suffered from a cyber attack so alarming that it has taken the unprecedented step of banning the use of external hardware devices, such as flash drives and DVDs [...] The attack came in the form of a global virus or worm that is spreading rapidly throughout a number of military networks."

295 comments

  1. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    be careful where you stick in the USB stick.. :)

  2. This isn't alarming... by Hahnsoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like common sense. Seriously. Several years ago, a military bud of mine said that the worst threat to their security is the USB flash drive.

    1. Re:This isn't alarming... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Absolutely - our internal company network has banned personally-owned USB drives in DoD closed areas for years. It's obvious.

              Brett

    2. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. My boss once took a computer into work from his church. Plugged it into the network. When my harddrive on my computer went nuts it didn't take me many seconds to see it came from that computer. Any source that comes from outside the network one way or the other is a potential danger.

    3. Re:This isn't alarming... by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      I've always felt the same way. For a long time our company was able to control the risk of data walking out the door by limiting who had CD burners. Nothing worth taking could fit on a floppy...

      Unfortunately, we haven't updated our policies and anyone could bring or take anything. Firewalls and e-mail scanning are all designed to protect anything from outside coming in... those don't work so well when someone just slaps a thumbdrive with the latest worm in their machine. 'Cause lets be honest - no matter how good your virus scanning is they're always playing catchup. If you get something before there's a new virus definition for it - you're screwed.

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    4. Re:This isn't alarming... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's all well and good, but it's not going to stop grunts from using them to look at porn in the field. If I was going to do a cyber attack on the DoD, I'd be leaving virus infected DVDs full of porn lying around in occupied areas. You're pretty much guaranteed that it'll get passed from person to person.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    5. Re:This isn't alarming... by azuredrake · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that DoD is only now banning external media on their premises, when that's been standard operating procedure in the video game industry for years. Let's see, what matters more... the next year's copy of Madden, or the next Patriot missile specs?

      *facepalm*

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      Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    6. Re:This isn't alarming... by richlv · · Score: 1

      um, i'm not. i'm not really afraid sticking whatever cd or usb drives to my computer - and i haven't run antivirus for 7 or so years. ok, the same goes for windows...

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      Rich
    7. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VA already did this. Why is VA leading DOD in network security?

      (AC for job preservation purposes)

    8. Re:This isn't alarming... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Informative

      It needs to be said:

      In linux, one can remove exec permissions from a whole device via the noexec switch in /etc/fstab .

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    9. Re:This isn't alarming... by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

      It needs to be said:

      There is no technological defense against PEBKAC.

      I'm still not entirely against the idea of a license for internet use. By "not entirely" I mean my idea of a license would never get used since it'll get abused.

      My idea is simply, get a license that says you know about the dangers, and you have demonstrated a basic understanding on how to avoid them. When you sign up for internet service, provide license number and you get an account.

      If my idea were taken into consideration though, it'll turn into some sort of spy network eventually.

      Nonetheless, PEBKAC remains the most troubling security hazard there is, and the only way to fight it is through education and punishment. Education is most important of course. Punishment is pointless without education FIRST, and the punishment should fit the crime, regardless of how big the victim is.

      eg: if someone lets their computer get compromised, then that computer is shown to be used in a DDoS attack that costs CNN $2.2 billion in lost revenue, then the punishment should still be the same if the target was Slashdot and Slashdot lost $2.2 million. Fine the person and be done with it. Use the money to further technological common sense education for the masses.

      In my utopian world, everyone has basic understanding. I do not expect anyone know what IP stands for, I do expect everyone to understand the dangers of opening email attachments and being able to tell whether a link is genuine or not.

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    10. Re:This isn't alarming... by Ahnteis · · Score: 0, Redundant

      >>Mod parent up! [a] by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thurs, Nov 31, @13:

      Your SIGNATURE is a request for a mod up? That's just pathetic.

    11. Re:This isn't alarming... by xonar · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up?

    12. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nothing sadder than a sig that is a desperate cry for attention.

    13. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      FWIW, external media of any sort without proper classification and marking is prohibited on *classified* systems. Are USB ports on these machines disabled? Not usually. As is typical for the military: there are a ton of guidelines that rely on the inevitable weakest link, the user, to act in accordance with regulations that the users aren't aware of (or just flat out ignore). I bitched and moaned about this while I was in, and nothing changed. As is usual with our military, we wait for something to go wrong before preventing it from happening again.

    14. Re:This isn't alarming... by mrjohnson · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is.

      But then the network is also so locked down that often times that's the only way to transfer large files. There are shared network drives in the States but they're paltry and always 100% used by some officer's powerpoint presentation and his 2 hour home video.

      When my unit was deploying to Iraq I gave all of my guys 2g thumb drives loaded with the data that the company needed. They attached it to their dog tag chain and I had them swear up and down to wear it at all times.

      There was simply no other way provided.

    15. Re:This isn't alarming... by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      noexec doesn't prevent exploits of applications that read the data though. But yes, it makes it a lot harder.

    16. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like common sense.

      I'll say. Several years ago back when I was with a certain agency (it wasn't the DoD, but it was a related agency), I recall a policy expressly forbidding external media on the premise. I'm surprised the DoD didn't already have this policy (or if they had it at one point, that they'd actually drop it).

    17. Re:This isn't alarming... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Informative

      ---There is no technological defense against PEBKAC.

      You are absolutely wrong. If a system is designed properly, or set up properly, the user cannot wreak havoc on a system or the network.

      In windows, there are many ways to do X behavior that changes the system. Therefore, Windows is hard to secure properly. It is possible, only by globally applying over-secure regedits that disable even basic functionality. Instead, I propose Linux as a good starting point.

      PEBKAC, at least in the business setting can be effectively eliminated by the use of simply being unable to even execute the programs.
      Games? Not on the HD.
      Web browser? If you need it, you'll be in the webbrowser group.
      Some document program? does your job require documents, if it does, you'll have that.
      Are you a developer for 3d stuff? If so, you get DRI rights. If not, no permission. Can Windows restrict access to the 3d device?

      My question is why do you grant rights to users when they do not justify those rights? We need to provide granular access so that the user is limited in what they do and act only in prescribed ways.

      As for that, the only way users can then screw things up is if they do not back up their user files, which you should already have thought of. A morning rsync of the /home (which should be mounted from the server) should take care of basic backup issues. Then it turns to your problem of access to the backups (which could be automated also). It really is a game of admin vs user, and you must outsmart stupidity. You do that by providing 1 way as the only way.

      ---Something about "internet license"

      meh. You do that by providing a punishment via the lines of willful negligence. If one does not provide basic security to prevent infection/takeover or notices and takes no heed, one is guilty and owes a fine to the party harmed. In the course of a botnet, that would be the proportion of bandwidth they used (based upon the actions of the the takeover tool).

      Simply put: use the laws we already have now, and not some new, easily to corrupt, new license.

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    18. Re:This isn't alarming... by CaptainDefragged · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can with Windows as well.

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      Don't tailgate - the end is near!
    19. Re:This isn't alarming... by CaptainDefragged · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should clarify that statement... In windows, you can remove exec permissions from a removable device with group policy and USB Drive Letter Manager.

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      Don't tailgate - the end is near!
    20. Re:This isn't alarming... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why is everything in Windows managed by tools that do not come with the default installation?

      I can perfectly manage a Linux installation without 3rd party or "optional" tools found on some website. Windows requires X tools that provide basic functionality on their site, and not default on the CD.

      I hate that.

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    21. Re:This isn't alarming... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      We had that problem with travel notebooks. We use Linux firewalls and never had any problems with worms... Until a programmer brought back a notebook that he took on a trip and plugged it into the network.
      Well live and learn. It isn't just thumb drives you have to worry about when it comes to data growing legs.
      I have a 6 gig memory card in my cellphone and my PC has bluetooth.
      The amount of data you can move easily today is just scary.

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    22. Re:This isn't alarming... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And you foed me for that?

      I thought it was creative and funny at the same time... However it wasnt as funny as my "Reply To This" "Parent" links I did.. They changed those buttons after trick-positing to michael.

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    23. Re:This isn't alarming... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't the external media, it is the OS that considers as safe any exe labeled as a autorun on it. Seriously, this is the feature that made me install an antivirus on WinXP. Until then I thought that windows updates and sane practice would be enough but then I discovered that even without user prompting (as they usually and annoyingly do for almost everything) they execute untrusted application from an unidentified third party. I can't think of a single good reason for this :
      1) to exist at all
      2) to still exist after 3 service packs and several virus exploiting this.
      Seriously, can someone here point me toward a legitimate use of an autorun on a USB storage key ?

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    24. Re:This isn't alarming... by BoT_Bizarro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, what's more alarming is that the military is several years behind on their operating systems, such as running Windows 2000. They are even severely behind on applying patches to these machines as well, because of the amount of testing they require to patch a machine. So the rule of thumb: To infect the military, use an outdated attack and it will probably succeed.

    25. Re:This isn't alarming... by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which just goes to show you that Windows should never be let on the Internet, or use removable media of any sort.

    26. Re:This isn't alarming... by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, we could just drop offenders off the network.

      I don't give a crap what people do to their PCs, as long as they don't mess with mine. Nuke them right at the switch if you can!

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      -Billco, Fnarg.com
    27. Re:This isn't alarming... by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No thats what the admins at my old school thought too.

      It only means explorer cant execute anything from there.
      Any other program can in fact still execute programs.

      For example a single line of vbscript in a word document works rather well. :)

      noexec on Linux prevents any execution at all.

    28. Re:This isn't alarming... by Nathrael · · Score: 1

      Not seeing the difference between a request to mod you up and a funny little joke is even more pathetic. Out

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    29. Re:This isn't alarming... by CaptainDefragged · · Score: 1

      Oh.
      That rules that strategy out then. Luckily I didn't attempt to use that method then ;) I was reading up on it, but haven't got around to testing it yet.

      --
      Don't tailgate - the end is near!
    30. Re:This isn't alarming... by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised they can't just remove the drivers/support for anything usb other than a keyboard/mouse.

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    31. Re:This isn't alarming... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I thought it was creative and funny at the same time.

      Me too... but...

      I suspect its also actually quite effective at getting you up mods, which after the joke gets old, is simply karma whoring, and that is sad and pathetic.

    32. Re:This isn't alarming... by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      noexec on Linux prevents any execution at all.

      How would that prevent something like:

      sh /mnt/media/usb_stick/rm_rf.sh

      ? Maybe this just removes everything in the home directory or spawns a server of some kind that doesn't need sudo, or is some kind of root exploit.

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    33. Re:This isn't alarming... by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      What does stop 'grunts' is the ability of the military to use non-judicial punishment because you'd be breaking a 'local' rule. I know of a few guys who were 'awarded' a loss of a month of pay for similar violations. That doesn't stop anyone from using personal items on their personal hardware, just personal items on government hardware.

    34. Re:This isn't alarming... by Cowmonaut · · Score: 1

      There is a registry key you can create to do the same in Windows. Spend less than 5 minutes on Google and you will find it. Some people just LOVE to pretend the Group Policy is the end all be all of Windows. There is a whole quagmire of stuff that is undocumented with XP.

    35. Re:This isn't alarming... by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Erm I just outlined how to bypass it in my post.
      There is no way to block it properly on Windows.

    36. Re:This isn't alarming... by Hmmm2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is not much protection at all .. you just need to copy the executable from the USB drive to a local drive and then execute it there.

    37. Re:This isn't alarming... by leenks · · Score: 1

      One can also disable USB in Windows quite easily too (or restrict it to admin users only).

    38. Re:This isn't alarming... by Agent+ME · · Score: 1

      Not like Linux, or a lot of common distros are much better at being managed with built-in tools - I can't for the life of me figure out how to use gconf editor to set system defaults short of setting up a .gconf folder in /etc/skel on Ubuntu.

    39. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      regarding the noexec comment....... you could still run malicious scripts by feeding the interpreters like "/usr/bin/perl attack.pl" instead of a typical "./attack.pl"..... you even used to be able to get away with running noexec binaries by doing a "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 attack.bin", although i don't know if that's still the case.... my point is that relying on noexec for any sort of actual security would be insane.

    40. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why is everything in Windows managed by tools that do not come with the default installation

      We prefer to be called administrators you insensitive clod.

    41. Re:This isn't alarming... by somersault · · Score: 1

      You're thinking from a very work based point of view. Plus if a vulnerability is exploited in a plugin such as flash for example, a locked down machine could still be compromised even in the workplace if someone is enticed to a malicious site. And home users usually will have some kind of root access escalation privileges, and can be tricked into giving a dangerous program root access. Technical solutions can work in the workplace if you have someone available to babysit everyone all the time and install what they need when they need it - but home users will always need education unless they are running machines that are only meant for single purposes and therefore aren't really configurable.

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      which is totally what she said
    42. Re:This isn't alarming... by somersault · · Score: 1

      If you are going to be actively trying to pwn your system manually then yes you will be able to do so, They're talking about scripts being run unexpectedly just while trying to view a document for example.

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      which is totally what she said
    43. Re:This isn't alarming... by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 1

      Autorun does not work on WinXP, at least not since SP2 on USB sticks.

      Therefore products have been developed that circumvent this: they simply simulate a CD-ROM drive. A well known product is the U3.

      Why CD-ROMs are still able autostart untrusted executables is simple: customers got used to inserting their CD-ROMs into their drive and have their apps autostart/autoinstall. If M$ took this away both the users and the companies providing them easy-to-use software would lynch them.
       

      Sad, but that's the way it is.

    44. Re:This isn't alarming... by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      But that is my point.

      Just because the (in this case) .odt file is set to "------r--" doesn't mean that it doesn't contain scripts that OpenOffice.org is going to ignore just based on the file permissions. That file could easily contain scripts that the reading program is going to execute, so just setting the files to noexec permissions isn't going to change how the reading application is going to read it.

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    45. Re:This isn't alarming... by Ahnteis · · Score: 1

      No. I must have foed you previously. I didn't even notice. However, I think I'll stand by that. Don't take it personal. I can only read so many comments and I apparently don't like yours.

    46. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can guarentee you one thing, it didn't come from an NMCI computer. That damn network is so locked down these days that even the administrators can't do their jobs effectively because the security posture is so strict.

    47. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are shared network drives in the States but they're paltry and always 100% used by some officer's powerpoint presentation and his 2 hour home video.

      Or the Master Sergeant that demands that every single electronic file ever constructed by his shop since 1989 be backed up to the share drive because he lost his precious alpha roster in 1994.

    48. Re:This isn't alarming... by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1
      Thank you for saying that before I did.

      When the IT overlords run into a security threat, they respond to it by shutting down the ability of others to do their job, without any thought for how that could negatively impact the mission. Their mentality is to save the IT infrastructure at all costs, even if there is nothing classified on that particular network.

      Things that are relatively simple for industry are a major headache for people that work for or are in the military. Say for example that you have a failed component in the field and you want to send some high res pictures back to the office responsible for the engineering for investigation. The first choice would probably be email... nope, server blocks large files and many files with certain extensions (we cannot even send/receive zip files). How about an FTP or shared website? Nope, no such thing for sharing amongst wings in multiple commands exists. Snail Mail? Will take 3 months and you're fighting a war now. End result...files are passed via non-military email accounts. Pictures are brought into work on a thumb drive. It was the path of least resistance and people need to get shit done.

    49. Re:This isn't alarming... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I know of a few guys who were 'awarded' a loss of a month of pay for similar violations.

      Exactly.

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    50. Re:This isn't alarming... by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 1

      November 31st?

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    51. Re:This isn't alarming... by mrjohnson · · Score: 1

      Outsourcing.

      Seriously, the civilians don't really care about the mission -- they care about not getting fired.

      I'm looking at you, NMCI.

    52. Re:This isn't alarming... by the_macman · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you. The greatest threat to their security is windows. I don't imagine you'd be seeing this headline if they used linux.

    53. Re:This isn't alarming... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Plus CD ROMs are readonly and thus immune to infection, at least once they leave the factory.

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      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    54. Re:This isn't alarming... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You should make them do hollerbacks

      Technology Sgt Hartman: Technician! what is your mission?
      Technician: umm, fix the server
      Technology Sgt Hartman: You're in the army now, you little maggot. The fist and last things that come out of your mouth will be "Sir". What is your mission
      Technician: Sir! Fix the server! Sir!
      Technology Sgt Hartman: I can't hear you, maggot! What is your mission?
      Technician: SIR! FIX THE SERVER! SIR!
      Technology Sgt Hartman: Right, QUICKMARCH!

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    55. Re:This isn't alarming... by Wodin · · Score: 2, Informative

      PEBKAC, at least in the business setting can be effectively eliminated by the use of simply being unable to even execute the programs.

      You can make it harder to execute something, but even on filesystems that are mounted noexec, you can still run shell scripts with:

      $ sh /path/to/script

      or binaries with:

      $ /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /path/to/binary

      So mounting filesystems noexec (and nodev etc.) is a good idea if they don't need to contain executables, it will not stop a determined idiot from running something on that filesystem :)

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      -- Wodin
    56. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB storage is a necessity. This is a way of bridging the gap between non-connected computer assets. Much of the DoD computers assets are in vehicles or closed rooms. The only way to make software updates is by USB. Further, there is unclassified sensitive info that can't travel by email due to interception, which leaves physical media as the only method of transfer.

      It's a hell of a lot better to update field servers via USB than to run random wireless access points to link everything up.

      Further, anyone under NMCI is limited in the protection they can do based on their limited access privileges to the computer itself. Protections such as not being able to access you windows folder or change many configurations files, or stop services from starting up. But you can rename any text file to be a .vbs and run it. Further, without USB backup drives NMCI limits you to 700M of network back up space that frequently gets deleted anyway. Sigh...

    57. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outsourcing.

      Seriously, the civilians don't really care about the mission -- they care about not getting fired.

      I'm looking at you, NMCI.

      NMCI? You mean "No More Connection to Internet"?

    58. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUD.

      Just because you can be granular with access in Linux (which is a nice feature that Windows doesn't truly have), does NOT mean that you can prevent PEBKAC.

      If some manager says Joe-The-Idiot has the authorization to do X, then Joe-The-Idiot can screw up X and X's data.

      Granularity != Safety

    59. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firewalls and e-mail scanning are all designed to protect anything from outside coming in... those don't work so well when someone just slaps a thumbdrive with the latest worm in their machine.

      That's nothing a little glue in the free USB ports won't fix.

      Sure, you need to leave the keyboard and mouse replacable, but even the dumbest office monkey is generally able to grasp that if they need to unplug the fucking keyboard to do something, they probably shouldn't be doing it.

    60. Re:This isn't alarming... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      November 31st?

      One would have to actually read the -date- to notice that. There are other give-aways too that its not a real post, but that's beside the point.

    61. Re:This isn't alarming... by waffle+zero · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can still execute any binary by loading it with ld-linux.so, the dynamic loader.

      I.E.

      /lib/ld-linux.so.2 SOME_EVIL_BINARY

    62. Re:This isn't alarming... by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of Civil Servants in the DoD care a lot about the mission. Hell, half of them are retired military and for those that aren't retired military, they still have a military officer in their chain of command that can fire them.

    63. Re:This isn't alarming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      linux is just a kernel. everything else you call "linux" *is* a third party application.

    64. Re:This isn't alarming... by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Baloney: I haven't seen a win2k based production system for quite a while.(I regularly work with a win2k image training system, but that's only still in the training environment because those systems are not on the networks, and all that is really needed for that training is a viable office suite.) The vast majority of systems in the Army are running XP or Server03. In addition, Office 07 is being pushed out quite rapidly right now.

      But when you have an infrastructure as vast as the DoD it's not reasonable to expect everything to be on the bleeding edge of up-to-dateness, And would you really want the Military to use Vista?

      The real problem in this case is the AV setup, they use Symantec which is fine and dandy, but when you get on the Classified side, the virus definitions rarely get updated, leaving the systems open and vulnerable when someone does get lazy in following the protocols for airgapping information from unclass to classified networks.

      The machines on the unclass side don't usually lag too far behind on the patches, but then as is heard very often here, very few netadmins allow M$ patches and upgrades to go live until they have been determined to not break the current setup.

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  3. In Soviet Russia... by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, a russian reversal that is funny and relevant. You must be new here.

      I hate myself.

  4. Auto-infect by robo_mojo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like someone forgot to disable auto-run.

    1. Re:Auto-infect by talz13 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I always disable it. I don't know how far it goes to stemming the flow of all kinds of malware, but it makes me FEEL safe, and that's what really matters, isn't it?

    2. Re:Auto-infect by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's quite sad that you need to with most (all?) versions of Windows. This should be the default state, especially with viruses coming right from the factories in digital picture frames, etc.

    3. Re:Auto-infect by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I agree with you (I disable it on ALL my systems), just image Joe Bob phoning Blizzard bitching that noting happened when he put the CD in the drive!

      But then again, I also believe that banking sites should authenticate to YOUR private key, that credit cards should have rolling pins and that it should be illegal to run windows on anything that handles security or financial information...

      While all these ideas seem sane, practical and necessary to me, the average person would become irate when they find out they can't just use the last 4 numbers of their phone number for their windows machine, bank pin, corporate login system and the key to their child's soul!

    4. Re:Auto-infect by redxxx · · Score: 1

      Isn't the default, on all recent version of windows, to ask the user what to do and only autorun when expressly told to do so?

      Like, XP sp3, and all versions of vista and 2003/8 server.

      That's what happens whenever any of my computers see a new drive, at least. I don't recall doing any sort of configuration to cause that to happen.

    5. Re:Auto-infect by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Funny

      credit cards should have rolling pins

      For a moment I pictured a credit card making pastry.

    6. Re:Auto-infect by WD · · Score: 1

      Not at all. Please read:
      http://www.cert.org/blogs/vuls/2008/04/the_dangers_of_windows_autorun.html

      Basically:
      1) U3 devices emulate CD-ROM devices, which will automatically run code with zero user interaction.
      2) Clicking a drive icon in Windows explorer may run code specified in the autorun.inf file rather than exploring that drive location.

    7. Re:Auto-infect by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Correct, at least for vista anyway.

      Nothing just runs by it's self anymore.

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    8. Re:Auto-infect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why they can't alter the autorun sequence to instead be a confirmation dialogue - then at least the program has to trick you into running it. It's not hard to automagically pop up a dialogue with a CD or USB that isn't just the run command. In fact, it would make the CDs easier to make since the autorun code would be in the OS and not have to be put on every single CD.

    9. Re:Auto-infect by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      You mean like how every linux distribution does it?

      "This disk has images/videos/packages on it, click here to open in gThumb/vlc/package manager"

    10. Re:Auto-infect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  5. war games, skynet...prophecy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME?"

    I'll be over in the bomb shelter quivering....CYA...

  6. They're just ignoring the real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Microsoft Windows.

    1. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by idiotwithastick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you honestly think that foreign intelligence agencies won't write Linux or Macintosh viruses if it would get them into the DoD network? The OS might be part of the problem, but users are the much bigger one.

    2. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's no way you can automatically run code on a Linux computer by inserting a USB flash drive. It's just not possible. Those virus happen only because of Yet Another Windows Design Mistake - autorun.inf files that run executables.

      This has been a problem for years. Make a program that deletes all the files in a system. Put it into a CD along with a autorun.inf file. Burn the CD, don't write anything on it, and leave it near the office of someone you hate. At some point the guy will insert the CD just to check what's there. Boom. The virus will run automatically as soon as the CD is inserted.

      And there're more posibilities, like making a virus executable have a carpet icon. Since Windows hides extensions by default, people will double click the virus because they will think it's a carpet.

      These things can't happen in Linux (well, not really true, they can happen thanks to the shitty .desktop files that get "interpreted" by file managers even if they don't have execution +x permissions)

    3. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 4, Funny

      d'oh, were I write "carpet" I obviously wanted to say "folder". "Folder" is translated to spanish as "carpeta", and I always confuse them.

    4. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

      Do you honestly think that foreign intelligence agencies won't write Linux or Macintosh viruses if it would get them into the DoD network? The OS might be part of the problem, but users are the much bigger one.

      Oh they would write the viruses, but there are things like SELinux that protects against them even if installed at root.

      And Linux can be a hell of a lot more secure than windows because you control what is running (you want no services? No problem). You can control the firewall rules completely. The list goes on.

    5. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by keytoe · · Score: 1

      d'oh, were I write "carpet" I obviously wanted to say "folder". "Folder" is translated to spanish as "carpeta", and I always confuse them.

      Oh thank god. I was having a real Monty Python moment there trying to figure out which silly mental disorder you were trying to emulate. I kept expecting Graham Chapman to come strolling up in uniform barking "Right then! Stop this! It's too silly!".

    6. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by Ironica · · Score: 1

      That explains the manila flooring in your living room.

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    7. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by legirons · · Score: 1

      Do you honestly think that foreign intelligence agencies won't write Linux or Macintosh viruses if it would get them into the DoD network? The OS might be part of the problem, but users are the much bigger one.

      Does Linux autorun any program which is presented to it on removable media?

      "Oh!! Lookee, a new program! Let's see what it does by running it with root permissions!"

      Put that way, Windows is worse than the dimmest recruit in terms of security risk.

    8. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by legirons · · Score: 1

      This has been a problem for years. Make a program that deletes all the files in a system. Put it into a CD along with a autorun.inf file. Burn the CD, don't write anything on it, and leave it near the office of someone you hate. At some point the guy will insert the CD just to check what's there. Boom. The virus will run automatically as soon as the CD is inserted.

      While you're totally correct in describing the effects, that wouldn't actually be a 'virus' would it?

    9. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no way you can automatically run code on a Linux computer by inserting a USB flash drive.

      Ah! That feature is easy to implement. Most desktop Linux systems will now automount a USB drive under /media, so you're half-way there. All you need to do is a little configuration:

      echo "* * * * * root find /media -type f -perm +0111 -exec {} \;" | sudo tee /etc/cron.d/autorun
      sudo /etc/init.d/cron reload

      Fixed!

    10. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Yes.. but the only reason the hardware devices are a "risk" is because they're a convenient way to take files with you need to the workstation you need them on.

      Their risk is a side-effect of the reason people use them, and the alternative they have to use instead of removable devices will have the same risks.

      That is: all ways of transferring files have a similar risk, the file could have become infected.

      On a Linux system where you mount these things noexec, and in fact mount all user home directories noexec, and require all scripts/programs be digitally signed to run, a portable device is simply not allowed to introduce a threat to the system.

      The only threat that remains then is that the portable device contains sensitive or top-secret info unencrypted, and that the portable device is taken off-premises or plugged into an insecure workstation, which leads to compromise of the data.

      (This may also be solved by mandating that any USB devices are actually encrypted, and only the secure workstations and servers have the keys to actually mount the devices)

    11. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same happens to me with the term "carpet munchers".

    12. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by gacl · · Score: 1

      Try "directorio".

    13. Re:They're just ignoring the real problem by riskyrik · · Score: 1

      Of course 'they' will write Linux or Mac viruses if DoD switches to one of these!
      But because the much better build-in security of both OS's compared to Windows, it will be much more difficult to cause mayhem.

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  7. The obvious solution by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chuck Windows, and adopt Unix. I realize there are some possible implications of using Linux because of the GPL, but then use BSD. There are bright Comp Sci guys in the military and DOD. Customize a military Unix, and use it throughout all the services. In fact, I think it's long past time DOD did this. With the computerization of everything from planes to ships, now's a smart time to do it. There's no way Windows should be running a ship of war.

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    1. Re:The obvious solution by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      You can have windows, but you cant have windows and running as administrator 24/7, the same way you cant have linux and running as root 24/7. If this is the same trojan from that wired.com article then it doesnt work without admin rights. Autorun will attempt to run it, but when it tries to write to the machine registry and to c:\windows then its just going to fail.

      >here are bright Comp Sci guys in the military and DOD.

      They might have bright coders but if their sysadmins are letting them run as local admins then they have a pretty big problem.

    2. Re:The obvious solution by bigredradio · · Score: 1

      I think you misinterpret the needs of the DOD. In cases where important systems are in place they use UNIX. It's all the systems running outlook, MSWord, visio and other office products that are to blame. Tough part is, (even I have used it for years) OpenOffice is just not ready for the common user. Or better yet, the common user is not ready for OO or any OS other than Windows. Just transitioning them to [ add flavor of ubuntu here ] is not that easy.

    3. Re:The obvious solution by BearGrylls · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go ahead and assume they are running unix. (On the back end) Think of the Id10t errors you'd get trying to switch an entire operation over to a new platform. We'd accidentally nuke something before we knew what happened.

    4. Re:The obvious solution by ZackZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Disclaimer: IAAS (I Am A Sailor)

      Windows does NOT run a ship of war; I cannot say exactly what operating systems are used on the critical components (i.e. NOT shipboard LAN)but can say that they are a derivative of Unix. They are always kept in secured spaces and cannot simply be infected with a worm or virus. They're not even connected to the Internet.

      The issue affects workstations kept on-land, and is likely covering those that are marked unclassified. Those are the ones running Windows - and I'll say it now, DoD should've gotten a contract with Apple.

    5. Re:The obvious solution by SubmersibleJester · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows doesn't run a ship of war. Some flavor of Unix (Solaris, HP-UX) or Linux (custom or RedHat) are used for all Command and Control computers. Windows is just used for office work and such. So logistics and paperwork are suffering, but thats it

    6. Re:The obvious solution by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      What problems should GPL pose to DOD? I mean even it they modify the code they don't even have to release the modification unless they distribute the code, but if they only use it in DOD they are covered they don't have to release any modification.

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    7. Re:The obvious solution by Marc+Desrochers · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to be an easy transition? They're in the military, give them OpenOffice on *nix, and tell them that's what they use now.

    8. Re:The obvious solution by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, just logistics... I feel much better now. ;)

    9. Re:The obvious solution by mangu · · Score: 0

      Windows does NOT run a ship of war; I cannot say exactly what operating systems are used on the critical components (i.e. NOT shipboard LAN)but can say that they are a derivative of Unix

      Then I suggest that you go and correct Wikipedia. It's clearly stated there that "The ship was equipped with a network of 27 dual 200 MHz Pentium Pro based machines running Windows NT 4.0 communicating over fiber-optic cable with a Pentium Pro based server. This network was responsible for running the integrated control center on the bridge, monitoring condition assessment, damage control, machinery control and fuel control, monitoring the engines and navigating the ship."

    10. Re:The obvious solution by customizedmischief · · Score: 1

      What if they outrank you?

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    11. Re:The obvious solution by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Only using one OS would be a bad idea. One OS == only one thing to crack. Better off using a mix of a few operating systems. harder to take down all of them with one single hack.

    12. Re:The obvious solution by link-error · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean like the version developed by the NSA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinux

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    13. Re:The obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good job calling this fool out. It's just typical GPL FUD.

    14. Re:The obvious solution by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't understand the scope of what you're suggesting.

      Let's take just one job -- a DoD web developer for example. You have an internally secure web site used for data collection that (we'll say) runs on IIS, PHP, MSSQL and is developed using an IDE such as DreamWeaver (and probably PS is involved too), and is developed specifically for the DoD version of Internet Explorer. It's already been run through testing and received certification for security and all.

      To move to a non-Windows based platform, you have to ditch your web server, ditch the MSSQL server, (and when moving to the new platform ensure that your PHP environment works the same), and run through all your PHP code to make sure it can connect to whatever SQL database you replace it with (No, MSSQL is not necessarily the same syntax). Then, if the site used any JavaScript (or anything else that is IE-only), you have to re-validate it for that new browser. THEN it can be submitted again for security testing and certification (which all this time, the site is brought down while you wait several months for them to get around to testing). And you may have to re-train your developer on new tools on a new platform for programming on yet another new platform.

      This is just ONE type of job to re-tool for. I'd say it's pretty infeasible.

      Now, original platform choice mistakes aside (that you had no control over), I know you're going to say, "well you should have programmed your pages so they could easily be switched to another platform!" or "well, who in their right mind would program for IE only?" But that's just the way the system was made by the guy before you. You can complain all you want, but it's still a lot of work you'd be imposing.

      Oh and by the way? Each system is usually owned by different department and has to be certified independently (expensive and time-consuming). Web server is owned by one tech group. DB server is owned by another. Web Developer is yet another department. And no one talks to each other well.

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    15. Re:The obvious solution by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      IDWFTDOD (I Did Work For the Department of Defense), so FYI: DoD has been using !Windows since before Windows existed on their ships/planes etc. That is, the ships and planes don't run on windows and never have. Note that I didn't say what they do run.

      You're right there are bright Comp Sci guys in the DoD. They're way ahead of you on this one.

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    16. Re:The obvious solution by ZackZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I said "Windows does NOT run a ship of war", I referred to active ships. The USS Yorktown (CG 48) was decommissioned, and therefore is no longer an active ship of war. We evolved past using NT4.0.

    17. Re:The obvious solution by Ioldanach · · Score: 1

      That is, the ships and planes don't run on windows and never have. Note that I didn't say what they do run.

      The USS Yorktown spent several hours dead in the water in 1997 after a divide by zero error crashed its Windows NT 4.0 server, which ran all its primary systems.

    18. Re:The obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, cause if you can't get any of it to work, how the fuck are they supposed to?

      actually... that's not a bad plan...

    19. Re:The obvious solution by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      They're the military. If they don't like/learn to use a more secure OS, they don't use the computers. It's easy to do when the dictate comes down from the top.

    20. Re:The obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Windows does run some ships of war...and not just windows, but WINDOWS NT...

      I guess even Windows 2000 wasn't old enough...

      http://www.abctales.com/story/patmac/this-is-what-happens-when-you-use-windows-nt-to-run-a-battleship

    21. Re:The obvious solution by GogglesPisano · · Score: 1

      Chuck Norris and adopt Unix.

      There, fixed that for ya.

    22. Re:The obvious solution by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I do not see why we should use Apple and not use something free like Linux or BSD. All that you can do on DoD workstations is use an office suite. Decade old technology would suit most of their needs, yet they continue to upgrade machines and Operating Systems on an bi-annual basis. If you actually wanted to use your computer for more advanced functions, then you would need software installed which practically requires a three stars approval. Hell, I knew two people who were trying for over a year to get Matlab installed on their computers and it is an already approved package. They ended up leaving before they ever got it.

    23. Re:The obvious solution by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      That is how they do things in the Navy I guess. If you lose the main computers on military or civilian aircraft, you can still fly and land. I am surprised that the same standards to not apply to building ships.

    24. Re:The obvious solution by the_macman · · Score: 1

      Wells it's either that or get your network fucked up every once in a while for using a crap OS. What's more important? Time/Money or security?

    25. Re:The obvious solution by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      There's no way Windows should be running a ship of war.

      Well, Windows does:
      http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987

    26. Re:The obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GPL doesn't restrict use at all. It only kicks in on distribution, so the DOD/military/anycompany can use Linux internally as much as it pleases. They know that, because they use it. But for you.

    27. Re:The obvious solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could continue to use Server 2003 for now and just deploy Ubuntu as the desktop environment. Hmm imagine that.

    28. Re:The obvious solution by Raenex · · Score: 1

      It's easy to do when the dictate comes down from the top.

      And that's why all Department of Defense software is written in Ada, right?

  8. Maybe they can use.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe they can use one of their $20,000 screwdrivers to remove the USB jacks. Or better yet have the manufactures disable them in the hardware or remove them when they are purchased.

    Banning media doesn't work, you have to break the method for using it. You're just going to get some guy who thinks he's good with computers and he's immune to viruses because he's "a tech" and when he plugs his flash drive in the same things going to happen.

    1. Re:Maybe they can use.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Some networks fill USB ports with epoxy to disable them. Since valid devices (mouse, keyboard) are moving to USB connections, some sites are moving to software based solutions that only allow certain device types (mouse, keyboard) while denying others (mass storage, camera, etc...).

      As someone who has administered a classified demonstration network for my company, the policy for our lab was that anything attached to the network was approved by the security officer and connected by the approved system administrators. Any removable media with unclassified media was scanned on a dedicated system before being used on the classified system, and even then, only the system administrator was authorized to load the media. Unclassified removable media is not permitted within the secured facility (so leave your iPods, USB drives, etc... in the car). All CD/DVD devices were disabled and only administrators had access to a system where media could be loaded (after all the approval and scanning processes were completed).

      Mij

    2. Re:Maybe they can use.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't just ban the media, they have disabled the USB ports entirely on all workstations and servers.

      Of course as one can still load and burn CDs it's still rather pointless. Less convenient so perhaps it's something of a hindrance.

    3. Re:Maybe they can use.. by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      According to my enlisted friends their flash drives and optical drives are just not useable now by a non-admin user. If you insert a usb device like a flash drive or an optical disk the computer just refuses to recognize it. They didn't just disable the USB controllers though because most of the keyboards and mice as well as CAC readers are usb devices and they still function properly.

  9. try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\Explorer]
    "NoDriveTypeAutoRun"=dword:000000ff

    1. Re:try this.. by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 5, Funny

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\Explorer] "NoDriveTypeAutoRun"=dword:000000ff

      That's the whole problem with you Linux dorks! People shouldn't have to get down to that level and do such obscure things, just to be able to safely use their computer. And what you don't understand is that most people just plain won't do it! Your post is exactly why Linux will never be ready for the desktop!

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    2. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What us Windows fools don't realize is that this sort of stuff should be turned off *by default*.

      I spend an appreciable amount of over-the-phone troubleshooting time talking a user through copying a URL out of Outlook Express because it is now set by default to prevent linking to those handy URLs. It saves much pain in avoiding malware, but the tradeoff is that it's almost impossible to send a truly useful email to an Outlook Express user because everything is turned off.

      And yet, Windows itself is still installing with pretty much all the ease-of-use but dangerous stuff turned on.

      It was in the days of Windows 95, Outlook Express, and the new Internet Explorer that my fellow admins and I designated that combination as the most useful and efficient virus, worm, and trojan horse delivery system available. Still is. Virus scanning and antispyware suites are still helpless against at least one attack. Hell, IE can't stop Netflix from popping under a window.

      Microsoft should surrender and start over, and I do not doubt they have an OS in a lab being developed, but it isn't the OS. It's adding on so many services and 'features', and forgetting to embed security in each one.

      If you heard about a buffer overflow this year, more proof that they just don't get it.

      Sadly, if Linux or something became the DoD standard, it would come under attack also, and the USB drive could just as easily spawn a VM to do its thing without detection. Gotta be a way to slip in something nasty in a 1GB drive, and a way to hide it. Linux is too cool not to. And if Xen or something like it becomes a default install, well, there it is.

      I know from past experience that Linux is not bulletproof, just somewhat better.

      ps - all you who will point out that it isn't possible to spawn VMs from a flash drive... yuh. Nothing is impossible, and in this security fight, it isn't about making it impossible, it's about defending against it. Success would be a stranded VM with nothing to do and no way to complain about it. Preventing the infection is not working. Defeating it is the current best strategy. Just add some 0x00 to the code, and much security fails... pitiful.

    3. Re:try this.. by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Thank you. People complain about editing text configurations on linux, but always ignore the hideous beast that is the registry. It's gotten to the point that no more configs need be edited than the registry be edited to run linux. And even then, most config work can be done with a cut & paste into a terminal. This is definitely NOT the case with the registry.

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    4. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly did the parent post have to do with Linux?

    5. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you used Linux recently? My mom uses Ubuntu 7.10 on a daily basis and CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE!!! That is the whole point. Linux IS ready for the desktop! It is free, installs all hardware during installation, simple, and less virus prone . . . The list could go on for a while.

      Most people should never ever look at the registry. Linux, like windows has its quirks, and can be delved into very deeply, but it is not necessary.

      Try to be less judgmental of your friendly neighborhood nerd

    6. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be like Windows where all you need to do is buy a 3rd party application to do it for you.

    7. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense... I just know that my mom would much prefer typing

      [root@bigboy tmp]# tar -xvzf ndiswrapper-1.16.tar.gz
      [root@bigboy tmp]# cd ndiswrapper-1.16
      [root@bigboy ndiswrapper-1.16]# make distclean
      [root@bigboy ndiswrapper-1.16]# make
      [root@bigboy ndiswrapper-1.16]# make install

      to double clicking the wireless icon in Windows. Linux FTW!

    8. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor bastard, you didn't read the HCL and now you're pissed.
      Don't blame Linux for your stupidity.

    9. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'd be great if you only knew what you were talking about.

    10. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\Explorer]
      "NoDriveTypeAutoRun"=dword:000000ff

      That's the whole problem with you Linux dorks! People shouldn't have to get down to that level and do such obscure things, just to be able to safely use their computer. And what you don't understand is that most people just plain won't do it! Your post is exactly why Linux will never be ready for the desktop!

      1. Write bluepill.reg
      2. ???
      3. Profit!!!

    11. Re:try this.. by idn435 · · Score: 1

      correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that registry edit what you have to do in Windows?

    12. Re:try this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Sir,

      Whoosh.

      Sincelerly

  10. Ominous Prelude by GMonkeyLouie · · Score: 1

    Do you ever think about the potentially catastrophically apocalyptic events that could be heralded by the phrase, "The Pentagon has suffered from a cyber attack"? I shudder to think of various blue screens of death and then the weapons systems hijacked by Obvious Trolls and turned on X. Suddenly the internet becomes "serious business".

    1. Re:Ominous Prelude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if Storm is waking up? *cries*

  11. Better ban email to by Synn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because a virus can come from there as well. Along with web access, usenet access, ftp access.... might just as well unplug the network cable just to be safe.

    Or they could install an OS that wasn't insecure by design.

    1. Re:Better ban email to by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      one slight difference, email is external, so has to pass through filters and gateways to every get inside the organization.

      USB drives start out *inside*.

      Systems are generally pretty well hardened against external threats, or at least to the point of diminishing returns. It's the internal threats that are wildly unaddressed in many cases.

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    2. Re:Better ban email to by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Only if your email client allows it.
      Who needs anything beyond plain text in an email?

    3. Re:Better ban email to by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      All access across the Internet can be filtered and scanned.

      The security risk here is that there is no way to scan external media until it is already plugged in, and no matter what the anti virus vendors say even malware that they detect will often manage to execute before the file is flagged.

    4. Re:Better ban email to by jaguth · · Score: 0

      Or they could prevent users from taking work laptops home. Thats one of the easiest ways to get a corporation infected.

    5. Re:Better ban email to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To where?

  12. RIAA..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sounds like a tactic the RIAA would use.. Find a way to penetrate, and make portable drives look evil. Everyone knows external drives = piracy, so what better way than to get it banned by the Pentagon. Slowly it will be illegal to even make them!

    Ohh RIAA, when will you be crushed? What next, banning torrenting at the Pentagon? Sheesh!

  13. Warfare without Clippy? by robinsonne · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like you're trying to blow up that building. Would you like to use:

    1)Grenade
    2)An RPG
    3)Airstrike

    1. Re:Warfare without Clippy? by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      4)Windows

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    2. Re:Warfare without Clippy? by DarthJohn · · Score: 4, Funny

      5) Banana Bomb
      6) Super Sheep
      7) Holy Hand-Grenade

    3. Re:Warfare without Clippy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like you're trying to blow up that building. Would you like to use:

      2)An RPG

      dude wtf i threw a copy of final fantasy at a building and nothing happened

    4. Re:Warfare without Clippy? by j79zlr · · Score: 1

      I love worms. One of the best addictive games ever!

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    5. Re:Warfare without Clippy? by Trespass · · Score: 1

      8) Car Analogy
      9) Linux Circlejerk
      10) Old Meme
      11) Religious Flamewar

    6. Re:Warfare without Clippy? by paziek · · Score: 0

      4)Windows

      Wasn't that banned by Geneva Conventions?

  14. commercial malware? by bl8n8r · · Score: 2, Funny

    ftfa: "Due to the presence of commercial malware.."
    So.. this was malware someone purchased?

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    1. Re:commercial malware? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      this was malware someone purchased?

      Yes. Not necessarily the person who runs it, but being the DoD you can't rule that out.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:commercial malware? by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Funny

      Until Windows is free, yes it is commercial malware.

    3. Re:commercial malware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ftfa: "Due to the presence of commercial malware.."
      So.. this was malware someone purchased?

      Listen to some of the Defcon talks on this. The professionalism is scary. E.g. To defeat Captcha and other devices, the Russian Mafias will hire linguists and psychologists to aid their programmers. Big money.

    4. Re:commercial malware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.. this was malware someone purchased?

      Hey, somebody has to pay for RealPlayer.

  15. Does it really need to be said? by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

    I'm very surprised it hasn't been already. It probably will have been by the time this gets posted though. "This wouldn't be happening if they were using Linux!"

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  16. An actual case where Linux solved this problem by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dave Richards, the administrator of the Largo, Florida computer network, came up against this problem. He made the system mount USB disks as FTP shares, and made the file browser hide any executable files on the share so they couldn't be transferred.http://davelargo.blogspot.com/2008/02/hp-thin-clients-and-usb-access-for.html

    I'm not surprised the DoD just completely shut the door on these things, but I think that for most admins, a solution like Dave's would be a really good compromise.

    1. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by logjon · · Score: 1

      Maybe this will help open their eyes...but I doubt it.

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    2. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by Marc+Desrochers · · Score: 1

      The next day, userx who has a little bit of know-how has gone home renamed said .exe file to .ex!, comes into work the next day, copies it to his desktop, renames it again, runs it and infects himself.

    3. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 1

      That's worth considering. I wonder what sort of protections could be put in place to make it less viable. Of course, once you've done something that devious on your work computer network, I'd say you pretty much better assume that if caught you would be fired.

    4. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      I know how I'd handle it on Unix. Removeable drives get mounted with the noexec option (or an equivalent set of permissions for filesystem types that don't have the concept of an execute bit). If users aren't allowed to install software on their own, then /home gets mounted that way too. Then it doesn't matter what tricks the user plays or what they rename the file to, the filesystem won't permit the execute permission bit to be set and without that bit the system won't treat the file as executable. You can usually run scripts by feeding them as input files to the appropriate interpreter program (/bin/sh, /usr/bin/perl or similar), but actual programs are right out.

    5. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      They're obviously using Linux systems. Why hide executables? It doesn't make any sense... why not just mount USB drives as non-executable filesystems? I do have reason to have executable files on my USB sticks from time to time... what about a person who's using the computer to download a game patch or something because they don't have a home internet connection?

    6. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Good point... and it makes me wonder why he doesn't use the file command to identify executables, rather than relying on the extension.

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    7. Re:An actual case where Linux solved this problem by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      "[T]he working stiffs...They make $75-100k a year. That's not much to live on." - Jack Valenti on who piracy hurts most

      WAT.
      I'll gross ~$12,000 in income this year.
      I have my own apartment in a safe part of town, internet access, and my own car.
      I have money for a college class or two each semester. I can buy video games, movies, and food. I get to eat out several times a week. I have a skrillion computers and my own laptop.
      What are those fat cats spending *their* money on?

  17. Who here is suprised? by JCFalkenberg_IV · · Score: 1

    Well now I know why my thumb drive wasn't working, and all this time I was blambing it on Vista.

  18. ./configure by robo_mojo · · Score: 5, Funny

    make war

    1. Re:./configure by genner · · Score: 1

      Failed dependency: UN approval missing.

    2. Re:./configure by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Funny

      Loading deprecated library: Democracy Exporter

    3. Re:./configure by redxxx · · Score: 1

      UN Approval has been depreciated.

    4. Re:./configure by jmyers · · Score: 2, Funny

      # make clean
      # ./configure --force
      # make war
      # make install
      boom copied to /usr/local/bin
      please edit /usr/local/etc/war.conf and set COUNTRY
      #

    5. Re:./configure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      make war

      make[3]: *** [war] Error 1
      make[3]: make love not war

    6. Re:./configure by svank · · Score: 2, Funny

      make war

      make[3]: *** [war] Error 1 make[3]: make love not war

      [sam@Hector ~]$ make love
      make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Falling back to 'war'.
      [sam@Hector ~]$

    7. Re:./configure by genner · · Score: 3, Funny

      # make clean # ./configure --force # make war # make install boom copied to /usr/local/bin please edit /usr/local/etc/war.conf and set COUNTRY #

      vi /usr/local/etc/war.conf
      COUNTRY="TERROR"
      :w
      :q
      /bin/war
      Starting war on TERROR...
      Error: TERROR is not a valid COUNTRY.

    8. Re:./configure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      !love

    9. Re:./configure by Dionysus · · Score: 1

      Looks like a bug. Clearly TERROR == *

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  19. Windows.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

    Mark my words, it is because of Windows. If Linux or BSD based systems were predominant in the Pentagon, this would not be an issue.

    The world, the U.S.A. is so screwed up. We all know what the problems are, but we can't address them because no one in position of power will discuss them.

    1. Re:Windows.... by negRo_slim · · Score: 1, Informative

      Mark my words, it is because of Windows. If Linux or BSD based systems were predominant in the Pentagon, this would not be an issue.

      The world, the U.S.A. is so screwed up. We all know what the problems are, but we can't address them because no one in position of power will discuss them.

      Let me play the troll here... and agree with you, how absurd it would be for our own military to purchase software from one of our premier software companies. A company that provides a consistent tax revenue and employment opportunities. and as others have pointed out, no malicious agents would dare sully the name of the *nix by writing custom software to go after a high profile target like the US military and it's related assets.

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    2. Re:Windows.... by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Get real. Security all comes down to the person who's task it is to implement it. Running Unix (or any compatible rip off) only gives you an additional layer of security through obscurity . Sorry fanboys, it's true. It's not a end all solution, and you would still need someone to take the time to plan for any possible security breach. Obviously, that includes any media (CDs, FlashDrives, Floppies) attached to the system. This isn't the first military fuckup, now you want to blame Microsoft instead of the brass simply because you think it's a chance to expand your following. Please.

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    3. Re:Windows.... by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      And if they did write such software, they'd surely not survive the ridicule and public humiliation of having their efforts graded against standards developed over 30 years of malicious pranksters with Computer Science degrees and way too much time on their hands trying to get access to the system to guarantee themselves an A (or at least get copies of the professor's answer sheet for the final). Which is in the end the reason Unix is more resistant to attack than Windows: Windows attempts to add security to a system developed for a trusted environment, while Unix is adding convenience onto a system developed for a fundamentally hostile environment.

    4. Re:Windows.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      how absurd it would be for our own military to purchase software from one of our premier software companies.

      Who has a world famous reputation for poor performance, reliability, and security.

      A company that provides a consistent tax revenue and employment opportunities.

      Security != Money. Damn it! Just because a company is profitable does not mean it has a good product.

      no malicious agents would dare sully the name of the *nix by writing custom software to go after a high profile target like the US military and it's related assets.

      I refuse to buy that hogwash. It isn't about popularity or anything like that, it is about inherent security and the difficulty with which compromises are developed. It is far far harder to compromise Linux or BSD system.

      I'm not saying they don't exist, but I also refute the equivocation argument that all security vulnerabilities are equal. Windows is insecure at the system level where as Linux and BSD tend to only be insecure at the service level which is easier to administer.

    5. Re:Windows.... by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      I worked for DoD. I ran Solaris Unix, and every other machine in the office ran that or Linux. Every machine is vulnerable to someone with physical access; blaming this on Windows is stupid and pointless.

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    6. Re:Windows.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      Security all comes down to the person who's task it is to implement it.

      To a point this is true, however, Windows is far more insecure to begin with.

      Running Unix (or any compatible rip off) only gives you an additional layer of security through obscurity .

      Not true at all. It gives you an over-all more secure base from which to begin.

      Sorry fanboys, it's true.

      No it isn't.

      Obviously, that includes any media (CDs, FlashDrives, Floppies) attached to the system.

      Why? Why would those devices be a security breach unless a brain-dead operating system looked for "autorun.exe?"

      ow you want to blame Microsoft instead of the brass simply because you think it's a chance to expand your following.

      No, it is because Windows starts out insecure and UNIX starts out secure. There is a fundimental limit you reach with Windows and security. It gets to the point where you can't even use it. With Linux or BSD a use can use the system as an untrusted user.

      I could get a virus on my Linux box, but it couldn't install itself or destroy system areas.

    7. Re:Windows.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      blaming this on Windows is stupid and pointless.

      Yes, of course, how many Solaris or Linux viruses are there?

      I do not buy the hogwash equivocation argument that all security vulnerabilities are the same. There are degrees and there are levels of ease of deployment.

      If a 12 year old script kiddie can exploit a windows system easily, but it takes a 20 year software security expert to exploit a UNIX system, I'd call that different.

    8. Re:Windows.... by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Fine. Resolved that Linux or any UNIX varient is more secure than Windows.

      OK, now can we please get applications that people in offices can use? How about if we just put all office automation on hold for a few years until that happens. Back to typewriters, everyone.

      There is a little bit of a chicken-or-egg problem here. Nobody is making great software because there is no market for it. Market as in $$$. Yes, Gimp is an extremely valuable application, worth every penny I paid for it. Sadly, a lot of people can't move over to the "right" operating system until Adobe is convinced.

    9. Re:Windows.... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Linux/Unix by default is much more secure because the programs and the usage structure has been designed to be more secure. USB devices mount as non-executable filesystems, even as root. How are you going to spread a virus like that?

      The blame DOES lie with Microsoft because of the stupid design choices they've made, such as determining what a file can do because of the extension that it has, and then HIDING THAT EXTENSION. WTF? Be an apologist all you want... Linux and it's kin are much more secure than Windows, no matter how many "it's only because it's not as popular!" straw men you put up.

    10. Re:Windows.... by Kleen13 · · Score: 1

      Get real. Security all comes down to the person who's task it is to implement it.

      Thank you! That needed to be said. My question would be if their systems were secured within the military infrastructure, or if it was contracted out. If the former, they need better training. The latter, well..... I guess there's always Gitmo.

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    11. Re:Windows.... by Niten · · Score: 1

      I agree with you to a point, but I also blame Microsoft for implementing AutoRun in the first place, and then for making it so counter-intuitive to fully disable.

    12. Re:Windows.... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Why? Why would those devices be a security breach unless a brain-dead operating system looked for "autorun.exe?"

      It's kinda hard to take someone harping on about a trivially disabled UI feature as if it's fatal OS architectural flaw, seriously.

      No, it is because Windows starts out insecure and UNIX starts out secure. There is a fundimental limit you reach with Windows and security. It gets to the point where you can't even use it. With Linux or BSD a use can use the system as an untrusted user.

      This has nothing to do with the OS and everything to do with badly written applications.

      I could get a virus on my Linux box, but it couldn't install itself or destroy system areas.

      So, just the most important data on the machine then ?

    13. Re:Windows.... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course, how many Solaris or Linux viruses are there?

      About as many as there are Solaris or Linux users who would be silly enough to execute them.

      If a 12 year old script kiddie can exploit a windows system easily, but it takes a 20 year software security expert to exploit a UNIX system, I'd call that different.

      Exploiting a Windows system requires convincing an ignorant end user to run something so they can look at boobies. Exploiting a Linux system requires convincing a jaded and sceptical sysadmin to run a binary he's never seen before.

      I'd call that "different".

    14. Re:Windows.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      It's kinda hard to take someone harping on about a trivially disabled UI feature as if it's fatal OS architectural flaw, seriously.

      Tell that to the multitudes that don't know what it is or that they should turn it off. It is an insecure feature and, IMHO, indicative of the insecurity of Windows.

      This has nothing to do with the OS and everything to do with badly written applications.

      Well, that certainly is *an* opinion, not mine nor the opinion of other experts. The Windows API is full of calls that require system level access to do things that, on UNIX or Linux, only require group membership.

      This isn't to say that Microsoft *couldn't* implement this granularity of access, they certainly could, but they do not and it is beyond most administrators to do it, and it would be an impossible burden for any IT department to do it.

      So, just the most important data on the machine then ?

      Yup and that would be bad, but it certainly couldn't travel like on Windows because it would be unable to propagate for the aforementioned lack of permission.

      Also, "I could get a virus on my linux box" was a fairly hypothetical piece of conjecture. It would be pretty damn hard to create a user level Linux virus that could function in the wild. I'm sure it is theoretically possible, but we have not yet seen one. Older PHP systems were vulnerable to a SQL injection, but only when the web environment was set up poorly, and again, only on the service level.
         

    15. Re:Windows.... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the multitudes that don't know what it is or that they should turn it off. It is an insecure feature and, IMHO, indicative of the insecurity of Windows.

      It's a convenience feature, and like most of them, involves a security tradeoff.

      Well, that certainly is *an* opinion, not mine nor the opinion of other experts. The Windows API is full of calls that require system level access to do things that, on UNIX or Linux, only require group membership.

      For example ?

      Yup and that would be bad, but it certainly couldn't travel like on Windows because it would be unable to propagate for the aforementioned lack of permission.

      Why do you think elevated privileges are necessary for propogation ?

      Also, "I could get a virus on my linux box" was a fairly hypothetical piece of conjecture. It would be pretty damn hard to create a user level Linux virus that could function in the wild. I'm sure it is theoretically possible, but we have not yet seen one. Older PHP systems were vulnerable to a SQL injection, but only when the web environment was set up poorly, and again, only on the service level.

      All you need is a sufficient population of ignorant users and something malicious for them to execute. It is the former Linux lacks, not the latter.

    16. Re:Windows.... by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      Check this comment out:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/11/21/201240&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=25850255

      The person tasked to implement *that* bit of security was pretty clever, no?

  20. Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    U.S. Intelligence Agencies have been doing this for years. No cell phones, CD's, flash drives, or any other digital media. This is odd that the DoD is just now starting to do this since the other agencies are part of the Central Intelligence Services which is under the umbrella of the DoD.

    1. Re:Not News by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Intelligence agencies did it to eliminate data paths out of the agency. DoD is doing it to eliminate malware paths into and within the agency.

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    2. Re:Not News by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Actually the military and civilian DoD sites I have been to that actually work with more important military systems were already in theory locked down like this. People just always figured since their usb drive didn't have a battery it didn't count as a personal electronic device. If you read the rules and understood their intent it was already obvious that you shouldn't be bringing that kind of thing in to work.

    3. Re:Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intelligence agencies did it to eliminate data paths out of the agency. DoD is doing it to eliminate malware paths into and within the agency.

      So... a spy would typically sell USB Drives to the DoD in order to get them back from the CIA? That's a bit far streched, isn't it?

      I would rather make $$$ selling 2GB USB Thumb Drives to the US Military for 5000$ a pop...

      I mean, who's interested in US military secrets if he can buy his own laboratory full of brilliant, yet somehow evil, scientists????

  21. Worms through Media? by mfh · · Score: 1

    This had better not include the overseas forces. What would our poor soldiers do when they have downtime? Isn't their quality of life bad enough? Now they can't even watch videos of their families waving at them and showing them homemade delicious cake. Believe me, those vids get previewed at the DOD before they get shipped over, so now there is either a greater risk to the stuff arriving in the field, or there is another big problem on the horizon to do with morale.

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    1. Re:Worms through Media? by Neflyte_Zero · · Score: 1

      The cake is a lie.

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    2. Re:Worms through Media? by wronskyMan · · Score: 1

      I don't think "videos of their families waving at them and showing homemade delicious cake" is what soldiers are watching off their thumbdrives...

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    3. Re:Worms through Media? by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that an exception could be made for computers used for entertainment purposes only, if the DoD supplies anything like that. Or soldiers/units could pick up some non-DoD computers in Iraq just for that purpose.

  22. The debilitating virus is Windows! by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yesterday, a terrorist attack on the NHS brought three London hospitals to a halt.

    The terrorists, representing an organisation calling itself "Microsoft," apparently used insecure third-party contractors to put a virus-running platform called "Windows" into critical systems in the hospitals, in order to extort money from them on an annual basis.

    It is understood that a large percentage of all businesses are infected with the virus, wasting up to 25% of employees' working time and opening the companies to further attacks from related criminal organisations demanding to see all their licenses.

    The virus in question, W32.SHILL/ZDNET, takes over the host's IT systems, leading to aches, pains, nausea, vomiting, pumping out prodigious quantities of faeces and a terrible compulsion to spread the infection to others. The patient also walks with a shuddering stumble and asks for their hospital meal to include tasty, tasty brains. Recovery has commenced when they have an overwhelming urge to throw their computer out of the window. "Getting this stuff out of the system makes MRSA look like a walk in the park," said one cleaner, waving his shit-encrusted hands about for emphasis.

    When the infection became known, ambulances were diverted to other hospitals. "We have maintained a safe environment for our patients throughout the incident," said a spokesman for Barts NHS Trust, "keeping them in the Clostridium difficile culturing lab rather than risking exposing them to 'Windows.'"

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    1. Re:The debilitating virus is Windows! by mattytee · · Score: 1

      waving his shit-encrusted hands

      And another great band name was born in the /. comments.

  23. We had this problem... by RulerOf · · Score: 3, Informative

    Only it was with people bringing in docx files and expecting to use them with OpenOffice and blaming the IT department when it wouldn't work. So I followed some guides and wrote a script, threw it up in a GPO and now only Admins can use USB storage.

    The procedure is a HUGE pain in the ass (you need to modify ACL's on registry keys and the whole 9 to cover all angles) but scripted it was as simple as "USBStorage.exe </enable|/disable>" in a logon script.

    I think it took all of two hours.

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    1. Re:We had this problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's a logon script, then it runs as the user. If it runs as the user, then the user can UNDO whatever control you put in place. Doesn't sound like a good solution to me.

  24. Skynet by GottliebPins · · Score: 2, Funny

    Skynet became self-aware at 2:14am EDT. By the time Skynet became self-aware, it had spread into millions of computer servers across the planet. Ordinary computers in office buildings, dorm rooms, everywhere. It was software in cyberspace. There was no system core. It could not be shut down.

    1. Re:Skynet by psnyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      The pieces are finally starting to come together...

      • Skynet was first introduced in a film staring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
      • Arnold Schwarzenegger was born on July 30th.
      • On July 30th, 2007 (10 years after Skynet became aware), CrunchGear runs an article about MojoPac, a program that "Puts Your Desktop On A USB Drive". The very type of interface the DoD now sees as a threat. In the article they state that when you use MojoPac, "...the host computer is oblivious to anything going on."
      • Foxnews reported the DoD attack on November 20th, 2008. On the same day, the music news magazine, named "Mojo" (following suit with the "MojoPac" software name), ran a snippet saying, "Gun's and Roses are currently previewing all the tracks from Chinese Democracy via their MySpace page." MySpace is an obvious front for Skynet to keep tabs on the younger generations that may pose a threat in the future.
      • However, the Mojo article about "Chinese Democracy" was Skynet's way of mocking us in an ironic way that only Skynet finds funny. You see, Arnold Schwarzenegger visited China meeting with "700 Special Olympics athletes ... to focus world attention on the Special Olympics World Summer Games ... held in Shanghai in 2007." Here we see 2007 again, representing the 10 year anniversary of Skynet's sentience, along with Arnold, the celebrity that announced it's existance.

      It's all so clear now.

    2. Re:Skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does everyone think you can know WHEN it becomes self-aware? Don't you think that IF it becomes self-aware, it will be smart enough to know to hide it as long as it can-- until its plans are ready for execution?

    3. Re:Skynet by hughk · · Score: 1

      No, Skynet is the name for some British military communications satellites first launched in 1969.

      I think that predates Termainator.

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    4. Re:Skynet by psnyder · · Score: 1

      Of course! 1969 is the first time Arnold entered the Mr. Olympia competition! But he didn't win.

      You see, Skynet has the power to go back in time. So it sent a terminator back to 1969 to do some work on the orbiting satellites and give sentience to them before they achieved sentience naturally.

      By the following year (1970) the satellites were ready to intervene in the competition and he won. Hence giving him the extra fame he needed to launch his acting career, and announce to the world Skynet's true intentions.

  25. When you put something in a locked box by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you honestly think that foreign intelligence agencies won't write Linux or Macintosh viruses if it would get them into the DoD network?

    When you try to protect a secret by putting in in a locked box, do you put it in a steel box with a good combination lock? Or do you put it in a cheap transparent plastic box with a lock that can be picked by a safety pin and hundreds of holes and little doors that can be opened even more easily?

    Yes Linux, MacOS, and even OpenBSD aren't absolutely impregnable. But Windows has a decades long track record of holes (some unfixable) and a multibillion dollar malware industry built on exploiting them. The fewer holes you start with the easier it is to close them.

    Essentially ANY military function is a security issue. For a person with any level of IT expertise to put such functions on Windows platforms is, IMHO, either a level of incompetence suitable for dishonorable discharge or of malice meeting the definition of treason.

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    1. Re:When you put something in a locked box by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      When you try to protect a secret by putting in in a locked box, do you put it in a steel box with a good combination lock? Or do you put it in a cheap transparent plastic box with a lock that can be picked by a safety pin and hundreds of holes and little doors that can be opened even more easily?

      The answer really depends on what kind of other security measures you're placing on the box, and how accessible it is. If the transparent plastic box with a lock that can be picked with a safety pin is floating on a rock island in the middle of the caldera of an active volcano, it'd be less vulnerable to security breech than the steel box if it's left sitting on the sidewalk at Times Square.

      The military networks are most certainly hardened against intrusion. With proper security measures installed, and with decent firewalls and traffic monitoring on both the outbound and the inbound, and with intelligent account restrictions in place, then Windows can be made just as secure as any other OS. This is just a case of somebody sleeping on the job when they were setting up user rights.

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    2. Re:When you put something in a locked box by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Do you actually think the DOD only uses windows?

      On an interview (so nothing was signed) we talked about having 6 different computer systems that needed the info from each simulation. The data had to be in 6 completely different formats after each run. None of the systems were windows.

      In the DOD offices maybe there are windows machines. In the research/test areas I'd be surprised if there were windows based machines.

    3. Re:When you put something in a locked box by gr8scot · · Score: 1

      When you try to protect a secret by putting in in a locked box, do you put it in a steel box with a good combination lock? Or do you put it in a cheap transparent plastic box with a lock that can be picked by a safety pin and hundreds of holes and little doors that can be opened even more easily?

      The answer really depends on what kind of other security measures you're placing on the box, and how accessible it is. If the transparent plastic box with a lock that can be picked with a safety pin is floating on a rock island in the middle of the caldera of an active volcano...

      It isn't. Somebody obviously got in, either by socially engineering a soldier or by being a double agent.

      The military networks are most certainly hardened against intrusion.

      Hardened? Is this about placing the aforementioned plastic box into a steel vault?

      With proper security measures installed, and with decent firewalls and traffic monitoring on both the outbound and the inbound, and with intelligent account restrictions in place,

      ... including prohibiting external storage devices,

      ... then Windows can be made just as secure as any other OS.

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    4. Re:When you put something in a locked box by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you actually think the DOD only uses windows?

      Of course not.

      But I think that the machines affected by THIS WORM use Windows.

      Do you know of any "commercial malware" worms that self-spread on any other OS?

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    5. Re:When you put something in a locked box by Hucko · · Score: 1

      There is a worm that can infect Windows, random OS and Unix-based systems all equally effectively?

      Im going to flip a coin to decide if it was Windows that got infected, or other OS. Head for Windows, Tails for other OS....

      --
      Semi-automatic amateur armchair Australian philosopher; conjecture ready at any moment...
    6. Re:When you put something in a locked box by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

      If it were so, we wouldn't be discussing this news on /.

      I'll bet anything that this worm is a well known one and not some foreign-intelligence-made. The question is -- why use a system there are hundreds of thousands viruses and worms already written for?

    7. Re:When you put something in a locked box by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Windows can be made just as secure as any other OS. This is just a case of somebody sleeping on the job when they were setting up user rights.

      In theory, in some situations, it could.

      In practice, once you define a realistic use case for a computer system, it cannot.

      i.e. Once you define a use case for a windows system: that this system will be used to browse web sites on the public internet, download documents, read PDFs, Microsoft .Doc files, and send and receive internal and external e-mail.

      Once you define that use case, no matter how tightly you have isolated and locked that system down: you are immediately exposed to all potential Windows security issues that effect web browsers.

      Your firewall will not do squat against a buffer overflow in some random Microsoft Internet Explorer component, for example.

    8. Re:When you put something in a locked box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows has a decades long track record of holes (some unfixable) and a multibillion dollar malware industry built on exploiting them.

      Not so long ago, the industry was barely a blip on the radar. It's growing fast...Where do I buy stock?

  26. Oh noes! by daringone · · Score: 1

    I'm in ur base, haxoring ur computerz!!!

  27. The V.A. is ahead of DOD by 602 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The V.A.--at least the healthcare part of it-- banned these months ago to prevent data from wandering away..

  28. It's not intuitive how to disable AutoRun by WD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Forgot to disable AutoRun, perhaps. But actually, it's quite non-intuitive how to disable AutoRun in Microsoft Windows. There are several options, and none of them (and even all of them combined) will disable AutoRun and AutoPlay features in their entirety. In fact, up until recently, Windows Vista had the logic reversed for one of the AutoRun features! i.e., if you take the effort to disable the AutoRun feature, you actually put yourself at more risk. More details here:
    http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/889747

    But luckily, there is a single registry value that can disable AutoRun at its core. Once this change is made, Windows will not interpret the Autorun.inf file on any device, effectively disabling AutoRun for all devices, including USB drives, network shares, and more. Get the scoop here:
    http://www.cert.org/blogs/vuls/2008/04/the_dangers_of_windows_autorun.html

    1. Re:It's not intuitive how to disable AutoRun by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Forgot to disable AutoRun, perhaps. But actually, it's quite non-intuitive how to disable AutoRun in Microsoft Windows.

      And then, after disabling Autorun, iTunes whines at you about it.

      --
      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    2. Re:It's not intuitive how to disable AutoRun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reply would actually matter if we were talking about home users.

      There is NO excuse for not knowing how to disable AutoRun if you are a Windows sysadmin. If the Windows sysadmin at your company doesn't know how to do this, he/she should be fired.

    3. Re:It's not intuitive how to disable AutoRun by mysidia · · Score: 2, Informative

      Last I checked if you disable the "Shell Hardware Detection" service, you're pretty good, and who in their right mind wants to run an extra service to support autorun, if autorun isn't being allowed in your environment?

      It also makes sense to turn off all autoplay and autorun options (to be thorough), and turn on the security option "Restrict CD-ROM access to locally logged on user."

      These are very simple precautions that the most basic of security planning would entail.

      Don't deploy platforms you don't understand.

    4. Re:It's not intuitive how to disable AutoRun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a bonus, it will also disable certain (especially stupid) DRM schemes.

  29. DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ) by unix_geek_512 · · Score: 2, Funny

    DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ).

    Since I am the 2nd most paranoid person on earth I hereby nominate myself.

    Semper Fi, carry on.

    1. Re:DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ) by Amertune · · Score: 1

      DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ).

      Since I am the 2nd most paranoid person on earth I hereby nominate myself.

      Semper Fi, carry on.

      No security for you!

    2. Re:DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ) by Niten · · Score: 1

      DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ).

      That is to say, "No security for you!"?

      I'm not sure I'm entirely sold on this idea...

    3. Re:DoD needs a security nazi ( soup nazi style ) by dwillden · · Score: 1

      The DoD has plenty of Security Nazi's, unfortunately most of them have no clue about real security.

      Well before this event, all USB access was turned off by default. But then because the IT section got tired of having to respond to all the trouble tickets when people couldn't use the Printers, scanners external hard drives and similar equipment needed to do their jobs, let alone external keyboards and mice, so the appointed Informations Management Officer for each section and group was given the instructions on how to remove that setting. Add to the fact that USB thumb drives really are the most effective method for transferring large data files (size limits on per email attachements and total mailbox sizes). Add in the need for external HD's as an effective method for storing and maintaining large amounts of mapping and imagery data for which ever mapping tool is to be used and the need gets even greater.

      My section lost the ability to use our mapping tools with this mandate. The map data files use most the space on a 500 gig external HD, Our newest machine (they are all laptops) has a 100 gig HD. Could a shared drive be set up with this data? Probably. Would it be effective, with multiple people trying to pull large map or imagery data files simultaneously, often over limited pipelines? Probably not.

      Security Nazi's exist already, and are more pain than help.

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  30. Insider perspective... by soulsteal · · Score: 2

    I work as an IT contractor for the USAF and what it boils down to is muddied interpretations and lack of discipline. They already have regulations stating what you can and cannot do with data coming in and out of the work place. No, you're not allowed to bring a floppy in from home. No, you're not allowed to take a government floppy home with you. The same regulations should, by default, extend to CD/DVD/USB/any and all media but since they're not specifically written that way, people could quote the AFI back and say it was allowed. This new ban is merely a clarification to close the loophole.

    Did they swat a fly with a nuclear bomb? Sure.
    Has it worked? So far.

    1. Re:Insider perspective... by jdoverholt · · Score: 2, Informative

      As an end user in the USAF I'd like to offer a bit more perspective on how exactly this filtered down.

      The official policy, as it has been preached to us for quite awhile, is that you're not allowed to use personally-owned removable media. If the government issues you a thumb drive, you're good to use it all over the place, so long as you scan it for viruses before accessing on a government PC. This latest policy change had a bit of wording that struck me as... well, dumb.

      Starting this week, upon logon we all get yet-another-popup informing us of the change. Basically it's stating that any flash-based media are explicitly forbidden, government-issued or otherwise, regardless of form factor; while portable hard drives are still okay under certain circumstances. Writable optical media must be virus-scanned once after burning before they can be used legally, hard drives must be scanned every time before use.

      This almost makes sense to me, except the odd bias against flash-based media. I can understand the caution with thumbdrives, uSD cards and the like, with all the careless data loss we've all read about, but the way it's worded makes it sound like they're blaming the underlying technology. My thumbdrive is no longer okay, but my iPod 5G is golden so long as I scan for viruses before accessing it. What? Seriously? What if I get a 3.5" SSD and stick it in a USB enclosure?

      Maybe I'm just disgruntled about the policies that come down without any kind of justification or rationale whatsoever. It feels to we lowly bottom-dwellers like they're written by a committee of people who don't understand any of what they're legislating.

      Also, to be fair, this move isn't entirely reactionary... I've heard rumblings for years about pending hard restrictions on USB devices. A few weeks ago we were briefed about some kind of automated encryption process that will be blanket applied to any USB mass storage device—to protect the data in case of loss. Couldn't squeeze any technical details out about that one though, it sounds like an exciting boondoggle coming down the pike.

      Disclaimer: My views are in no way aligned with those of the US Government, my employer, and should not be taken as an official statement. I'm just whining.

    2. Re:Insider perspective... by lwap0 · · Score: 1

      Same for me, I work for a DoD shop. Funny thing, we had ordered endpoint control software to integrate with AD, and then this came down. Frankly, I'm surprised it took this long. I know users that have huge handfuls of USB drives in their briefcases, and you could hear their wails of displeasure when the edict came down from on high banning them. So far we've confiscated all USB drives, and we're creating a tighter inventory system by physically etching serial numbers on all the devices, and tiding up our inventory database. Honestly, it's kind of crappy. It's hurt productivity in my shop a bit, since now we have to burn CD-R's for even the smallest file move between machines. Blank CD media hoarding is going on too, since we now use a prodigious amount of them every day. No one expects DoD to relent on allowing the devices until they can come up with a DoD wide system to manage endpoints, and then, in typical DoD fashion, they'll probably ham-handedly demand everyone use the one solution they decided on. I think I'm hardly alone when I say things will get worse before they get better for DoD shops.

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    3. Re:Insider perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an airman in the USAF am I able to continue to do my job of flying effectively? No.
      Why not? Because I don't sit in front of a desk all day and my aircraft is not hooked up to the Internet. A USB drive is the only option currently to carry info. (forget about Bluetooth, wifi it is all disabled)
      Can a flying squadron cope? Yes, but we are back in the early 90's tech wise, wasting huge amounts of paper and time.
      With personel reductions the AF is trying to do "more with less", this policy is a step backwards. It also reflects poorly on the AF's ability and understanding of keeping up with technology.

  31. Oh crap... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    I think "All your bases are belong to us" just got a little more frightening.

  32. USB/Flash Media not "All Media" by sholsinger · · Score: 1

    The DoD issued a policy that disables USB devices such as cameras, flash drives, SD cards, etc. DVD-Rom discs and other optical media are still usable. Additionally I haven't actuallly seen any offical memo regarding the matter. Just a notice from the local sysadmins that it had happened.

    1. Re:USB/Flash Media not "All Media" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I've seen a stranger interpretation at the facility where I am a contractor.

      Out of curiousity, I asked the security person in charge of performing the scans as to the status of the venerable Zip drive (the older PCs around here still have them). I was told that they were fine as long as they were not USB drives (internal were specifically mentioned as being okay).

  33. Bingo! by snspdaarf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Get real. Security all comes down to the person who's task it is to implement it.

    Years ago, I was on a DoD facility where scheduling was being done on a UNIX box. Everyone there used the console for their work, everyone used the root account to do their work, and the password was written in on the first page of the book marked "Procedures" that was beside the console.

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    1. Re:Bingo! by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      Years ago, I was on a DoD facility where scheduling was being done on a UNIX box. Everyone there used the console for their work, everyone used the root account to do their work, and the password was written in on the first page of the book marked "Procedures" that was beside the console.

      I call this a lie. There is no way this would happen in a DoD shop.

    2. Re:Bingo! by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      I hope you are waiting for someone to mod you "funny."

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      Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
    3. Re:Bingo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually this is a good argument to move to Linux, BSD, or something else.

      Over the past two to three years the DoD has done a much better job of mandating security. Yes there are still some places where it gets ignored but if they took the time today to consider some other OS, security would be the first consideration instead of the last. Though without a properly placed 5.56 APB, your still going to have some cowboys running as root.

      There are lots of other systems in the federal government that seriously need to be redesigned just to be brought into the 21st century, let alone for security reasons.

  34. Fox News!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when is fox news a Credible source !!!!

  35. All email IS plain text by mangu · · Score: 1

    Who needs anything beyond plain text in an email?

    The SMTP standard used for sending email does not support anything but plain text. What you see as binary attachments are actually encoded as plain text.

    The problem with email executable attachments is not in the email itself, but in the piss-poor operating system most people use, which runs with superuser rights most of the time. In a superior OS, like Linux for instance, a virus in an email attachment wouldn't have privileges to infect anything but the user's own directory.

    1. Re:All email IS plain text by ickpoo · · Score: 1

      There is a flaw in the argument. It might just be the home directory that get wiped out, but, at least for me, the information that I use the machine for is in my home directory and other directories that I can write to.

      So, while a virus wouldn't prevent my machine from running, it would certainly remove most of the usefulness of it.

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      I am not a script! .Sig?
    2. Re:All email IS plain text by Hucko · · Score: 1

      I love linux, but Id much prefer my military to be running open-bsd, plan 9, or a mix of all three.

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    3. Re:All email IS plain text by Agent+ME · · Score: 1

      If the home directories are set to back up regularly, it can be recovered easily with no lasting damage. But a real solution would be to be able to set the rights of specific programs; I believe either SELinux or AppArmor can do this when set up.

  36. Signed Executables by Detritus · · Score: 1

    Why isn't the federal government using an operating system that refuses to load or execute any programs that do not have an authorized digital signature from an agency security officer? Anything that hasn't been tested and approved, no matter where it came from, never gets the chance to run.

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    Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
  37. I Can See The News NOW: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iran !

    I hope this helps.

    Cordially as always,
    Kilgore Trout

  38. The AllSpark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they not learn from Transformers?

  39. 1993 standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for a NASA contractor in 1993. We had standards around outside electronic media being brought into the office. You couldn't.

    No floppy disks.
    No CDRoms.
    No tape media.
    No cameras.

    What's happened since then? Did we get stupid or just believe that anti-virus software was enough protection like idiots?

  40. Ban unsecured media ? by xeniast · · Score: 0

    Ban Windows in DOD !

  41. When will this finally be a headline... by db32 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot bans vague sensationalist stories from Wired and Fox.

    There is nothing about this story that is really news. Viruses and the like are always a problem. Bad user behavior is always a problem. And this "unprecedented ban" is nonsense. Now, maybe actually enforcing it for the Army may be news, but external media on government networks has been a big nono for a long time unless it was purchased by the government for government use. That whole bring your own crap from home has always been something you weren't supposed to do. The DoD has had the deal for government employees to get free anti-virus software for ages to help curb these types of problems for ages.

    God I hate Wired stories about the military. I am convinced that the first time Wired actually has a story relating to military networks that has more than a 10% basis in reality without all of their typical bullshit hand waving the 7th seal of hell will open and demons will come to devour the Earth. I am also a little surprised to see a link to Fox news on front page slashdot. Remember people, these are the same assholes that had hackers making van's explode. Now suddenly they are worthy of front page links on a geek news page?

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    1. Re:When will this finally be a headline... by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 1

      Speaking from within the Air Force, "external" media has a different definition than you think. For example, an Air Force purchased USB drive (FIPS certified hardware encryption), only plugged into Air Force owned and maintained computers, is forbidden under this directive.

    2. Re:When will this finally be a headline... by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 1

      And not to belabor the point, but did you just get that DoD-approved software? How did it come? Install CD? Can not put that media into your computer. What if your computer is messed up (as mine is right now). My first thought a rescue CD. Oh wait, that it not allowed, because it, too, is external media.

    3. Re:When will this finally be a headline... by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      Not true, in my experience. You had to buy your own flash drives, because supply wouldn't issue them. As long as you had an 'unclassified' sticker on your media, you were golden.

      In Iraq, we have a huge media server with thousands of songs and movies. Soldiers and airmen are free to take from it using their personal HDDs and ipods.

      With this new ban, my shop is hosed. We got tired of saving all our CTK (toolbox) inventories on CD-R's so we bought a flash drive to use instead. Damn it.

      -b

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      No offense, but I've stopped responding to AC's.
    4. Re:When will this finally be a headline... by db32 · · Score: 1

      That sounds pretty much exactly like what I said. Users don't do what they are supposed to. I am sure if I really felt the need I could go find the regs that prohibited that stuff dated from years ago. As far as the "In Iraq" thing the legality of that media server is about 0. Now, with that server existing on a government network not only are you violating the law, you are violating a fist full of regulations. These are just examples of shit not operating the way it was intended, not that it wasn't intended to be that way.

      I was that asshole that would go unplug the network cable of the media server to watch all the HDD lights go out...and then wait 5-10 minutes and plug it back in and watch all the lights light up. It was amusing because noone could "officially" complain "Hey, that illegal stuff I was doing...you aren't letting me do it anymore". I just got sick of everyone playing the movies and music off the damned server instead of copying it. If you are going to make my life hell due to the legality and security because you managed to whine at my boss enough the least you could do is not fuck up the network while doing it.

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      The only change I can believe in is what I find in my couch cushions.
    5. Re:When will this finally be a headline... by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      The media server that we use in Iraq is commander-sanctioned. In Iraq, a commander has the power of life or death. If he says it's legal, it's legal. We're talking about someone who has the power to have subordinates taken outside and shot (not that that happens anymore).

      I suppose you wouldn't be happy about the football-field sized bazaar on base that specializes in pirate dvd's, operating systems, and rolexes...

      I don't see the difference between playing media off the server and copying it- either way, you're using X MB of bandwidth on the network. Our roaming profiles are limited to much less than a GB, so it's not really practical to copy entire movies for local use. IMO we're using the network exactly the way it was intended to be used.

      -b

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      No offense, but I've stopped responding to AC's.
    6. Re:When will this finally be a headline... by db32 · · Score: 1

      1. The commander can not declare illegal things legal. They can make more restrictions, not less. Illegal is illegal, and while it is a bit of a stretch to compare this to the torture, your statement is applicable. Just because the torture was commander sanctioned does not make it legal. This is where the whole concept of an illegal order comes from. So no, commanders do NOT have some magical power of "I do what I want".

      2. Can't say that I am thrilled about it, but that is the locals not the military so not my issue. However, I do have a problem with the plethora of morons that go buy electronic gadgets there and then use them. 2 way radios, thumb drives, software, etc. I have seriously seen morons buy those stupid 2 way radios and then after an attack sit and talk about the fucking attack on those instead of the secure radios provided. Its like they want to get themselves killed. "Here, because you guys can't really see what you hit because you had to launch and run, we are going to go ahead and broadcast the damage report for you so you can pick up the same brand radio from your friends selling them and know exactly where to shoot next time". I'm sorry, but this is a war, not a fucking playground.

      3. Because when you play the same 5Meg mp3 18 times in a day it copies that 5M 18 times. Now multiply that out by everyone doing it all day long. So yes, it uses a huge amount of bandwidth. The network is there to be used for military operations. Swapping movies, music, and cracked games is NOT its intended use. Nevermind the tremendous security issue in using cracked software. Cuz you know, those warez folks never put anything nefarious in, they are such fine upstanding law abiding citizens and all. And all virus scanning software is miracle stuff that can actually detect all custom written code without signatures and so on...I have heard all this nonsense before.

      I suppose you would let the two local arabic guys on base with the big metal drum because they said they just want to bring a keg in for the troops right? I mean its all in good fun and we are there to enjoy ourselves, not actually, you know, complete any missions or anything. Its all good, the commander said we can ignore general order 1. And hey, look, they even brought us some pirate DVDs, nothing has ever infected a computer on a DVD right? I mean after all, the locals of the country we are occupying said it was ok when they gave it to us. As we all know terrorists, their associates, and the people they coerce are all clearly labeled and easily identified as people that want to help do bad things to us. Wait...maybe I have that backwards...maybe we are the ones that are all clearly labeled with our uniforms and such and THEY are the ones that are hiding in the civilian populace and nearly impossible to detect until it is too late... I could be confused I guess...

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  42. Military guy right here by PatTheGreat · · Score: 1

    ...secretly, I still use USB drives. Don't tell anyone. It's easier than emailing myself everything.

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    Google: "All your data are belong to us."
    1. Re:Military guy right here by getclear · · Score: 1

      Please let me be the first one to respond to this. Shut up, private.

  43. This is NOT unprecedented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We banned external devices in increments over the last two years at the Dept. of Veterans Affairs. No floppies, no USB drives, no CD or DVD burners. Makes perfect sense if your network infrastructure is sound.

  44. military doesn't use anti-virus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't the virus scanner have caught this?

  45. Sandbox by BountyX · · Score: 1

    Government should make use of sandboxes mandatory for all computing. Furthermore, I wonder if the millitary could get intel or amd to manufacture their processors with customized instruction sets? Seems like the most secure way to go. Then create a linux os on top of that with the new instruction set and customize gcc or something. That way all applications would need to be compiled for the "millitary" only processor. Just an idea :). Millitary stuff wouldnt run correctly on non millitary processors and viceversa.

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    Trying to install linux on my microwave, but keep getting a kernel panic...
  46. A travesty within the DoD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really this is another example of the DoD running scared from technology instead of learning to use it and embrace it. There are dozens of solutions already mentioned that solve this problem while still allowing the use of a fantastic technology.

    This mindset invades everything the DoD does in IT and pushes them further behind their competitors.

  47. Poster suggestion by mbstone · · Score: 1

    The corridors of DoD workplaces are festooned with posters saying things like Never Give Out Your Password, so when I sought to raise consciousness about the IA risk from thumb drives I submitted a slogan and poster to DISA:

    Don't Plug It In If You Don't Know Where It's Been

    Never heard back from them.

  48. All out ban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This all out ban, on even DOD owned devices, there are many missions that can not have devices networked so, USB media was a life saver. At this point, we are going to be hurting in accomplishing the mission.

    The ban on even DOD items came a few days after the scan requirement. The DOD is having all user turn there USB media devices in. Forget the issue with using personal USB, the DOD ban on there own stuff is going to cause issues. Curse windows.

  49. standard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been the standard practice for years, and this is also on the non-classified network. The difference is now they are placing a hammer in the hands of I.T. who catch lazy officers breaking the rules.

  50. You CAN do it in Windows with the built in tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    With the built in Windows tools you can disable the use of USB thumb drives while still allowing USB keyboards and etc. You just have to know how to use Group Policy and a small handful of Registry settings.

    In Windows XP you simply go into RegEdit and go to this registry key:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control

    Next, make a new key called StorageDevicePolicies. In there make a DWORD called WriteProtect and give it a value of 1. Now you can allow people USB keys but they can't write to them. Want to disable reading as well? Just add the appropriate DWORD.

    For a non-built in method I hear good things from a friend that has used this in the past.

    Why do I have the feeling this could be easily Google'd?

  51. I am not surprised by mbone · · Score: 1

    I have seen a number of military networks that are flat networks with all the same version of windows with all the same software behind a heavily locked down firewall (only port 80 and 443, typically). These are attack disasters waiting to happen - crunchy on the outside, sweet and chewy on the inside. If one machine gets infected, it's a good bet that all will be.

    I bet they don't even know what the attack vector is.

  52. Nothing about DVDs here... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    I work at an AF base and have seen the directives. I keep seeing in the news that DVDs are included in this ban, but I haven't seen that come accross from our Comm people. So far, the only things we're not using right now are thumb drives and external HD type hardware.

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  53. Military security is a joke by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    And I say that as a former Acting Security Officer for a regional command.

    Was then.

    Is now.

    Wake me after the Chinese invade, will you?

    "All your base are belong to Beijing"

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  54. When do the aliens actually take over? by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 1

    I assume the virus brings up a helpful countdown timer on all the infected machines. Surely the aliens have picked up enough SF movies on their way here that they understand that's part of the protocol.

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  55. Air Force by skogs · · Score: 1

    This is already standard procedure in the Air Force. They are not banning ALL use of the drives, they are simply requiring a scan of the drive first to ensure that it is clean.
    "cease usage of all USB storage media until the USB devices are properly scanned and determined to be free of malware"
    Also:
    "Eventually, some government-approved drives will be allowed back under certain "mission-critical," but unclassified, circumstances. "Personally owned or non-authorized devices" are "prohibited" from here on out. "
    this has been standard in the Air Force for a long time. We only use NIPR or SIPR approved (and purchased by the organization) thumb drives. Always with encryption or at least a password required to mount the drive.
    Seriously, even windows does not automatically run every program put on a thumb drive the second it is inserted into the machine.
    The drives are scanned, takes about 30 seconds, and then it is allowed onto the network.
    Both the NIPR and SIPR are considered to be their own little sandbox into which other things are not allowed.
    This is stupid. I know the army gets away with a ton more stupidity in regard to computer security and networking than the air force, but this cannot truly be considered noteworthy news nation wide.
    --and I back that slam against the army with the following:
        -- allowing known crackable WEP wireless networks on their branch of the NIPR.
        -- allowing untrained people to work with SIPR, and usually screw it up by connecting SIPR/NIPR interchangeably between the same computer...
        -- etc etc

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    Who is this that even the wind and the waves obey Him? Surely this computer must submit also!
  56. Mod parent funny! by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 1

    God, where are my modpoints when I need them most!

  57. The DoJ already does this by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

    My roommate when I was working in DC over the summer worked at the DoJ, and they weren't allowed any sort of media. Seems to me the DoD was kind of asleep at the wheel.

  58. Re:You CAN do it in Windows with the built in tool by somersault · · Score: 1

    No, they wanted to disable execution. Disabling writes is not going to stop you from executing something nasty (though it could help to stop more disks being infected), and disabling reads is overkill..

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  59. Re:You CAN do it in Windows with the built in tool by v1 · · Score: 1

    reading and writing is not the issue. It's cake on pretty much any platform to outright disable thumb drives on a machine. (which is probably what should be done here anyway, but I digress)

    The issue at this point in the thread is with execute access. What's the magic HKEY for that they need to know?

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  60. Bookmark by PPH · · Score: 1

    I'm going to bookmark this for the next time someone claims that classified DoD systems are secure and can't be reached from the Interweb. Where there's a will, there's a way. And years after espionage via USB thumb drives had made it into the mainstream media, only now the DoD thinks of banning them.

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  61. No. by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 1

    When you have got the source code of the entire OS there is nothing that you can't do, at least such a silly thing can be done, I dare you to convince me otherwise.

    That having said, what do you pay me if I make your Linux computer automatically run code by inserting a USB flash drive? Apart from the fact that it might very well already run code automatically by inserting a USB flash drive, I assume I can even make it run executables contained on that very USB flash drive.

    And yes, I do know, I am beeing pedantic but we are on /. here and are discussing what Linux might or might not be capable of, okey? :-)

  62. DoD Security by BanjoBob · · Score: 1

    When I worked on DoD projects years ago, things were obviously different. NO computer inside was ever able to communicate with the Internet.

    If you brought floppies, CDs or hard drives into the facility, that's where they remained. No Media Was Ever Allowed out. None. Never. Nada.

    When I worked nuclear power plants -- pretty much the same thing. Drug test and FBI check daily. No media that came in could leave. No systems could reach the Internet.

    At the company facility, any DoD drives were removed at the end of your shift and locked in a safe until you checked them out the next time you needed them. They couldn't even remain in a computer if you weren't using it -- even for lunch breaks.

    So, I'm surprised that as hacking attempts increase security actually decreased. Somebody really let the ball slip on this one. And, please explain how a Pentagon internal database had to have access to the Internet. That one just doesn't make any sense at all.

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  63. They should be using Sun Ray's. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Many DoD installations use Sun Ray's, a server-based computing solution. Although the desktop unit has USB ports, policy can be set on the server about who can use what types of USB devices. Mass storage devices can be disabled altogether, if desired, and there's nothing the user can do to override that.

    Sounds like the Pentagon should have a look at an installation, maybe JICPAC. Combined with Trusted Solaris, it's about the most secure environment you can come up with. You can't even copy/paste between apps running in different zones.

    But even using Sun Rays with linux servers would be a huge leap.

  64. Re:You CAN do it in Windows with the built in tool by Chr0nik · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's actually quite a bit easier to do than that. Just disable usbstor.sys with GPO. done. Keyboards still work. Mice still work. Just mass storage devices. And whoever said you can't prevent execute on windows systems is ignorant. You've been able to deny "Read & Execute" via NTFS permissions since NT 3. Note: Read is a seperate right. Since you have to be able to read it to exectute it, it's just included in the permission description. Semantics. Here's something that may help you understand it. It's not that complicated. In reading the doc it will talk about share permissions and individual permissions, group permissions, and NTFS permissions all seperately, and what wins in what scenario, and will talk about scenarios that no administrator that is worth his salt would ever implement. When done correctly it's actually very simple. However it does have the flexibility to be as complex as one needs it to be. http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Understanding-Windows-NTFS-Permissions.html So there.

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  65. Yes, Virginia, they're still using Windows by DesScorp · · Score: 1

    When I said "Windows does NOT run a ship of war", I referred to active ships. The USS Yorktown (CG 48) was decommissioned, and therefore is no longer an active ship of war. We evolved past using NT4.0.

    The new Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers will be controlled by a variant of Windows Server 2003. And Windows OS's are creeping into other weapons projects as well. I have a friend that does work on the clusterfsck that is the Marine's new EFV, and he tells me that it's also run on a variant of W2K3. The military is standardizing on Windows for everything from vehicle control to C3 systems. And that's very bad news.

    And BTW, I used to be a sailor, waayyy back in the day.

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    1. Re:Yes, Virginia, they're still using Windows by j_w_d · · Score: 1

      Well, look at the bright side. It is not bad news for Microsoft. ;-)

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  66. WTF by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    Removable storage has been banned from classified networks for years.
    Why ban what is already banned, the "double-secret" ban?

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  67. DoD maybe or maybe not behind the game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To set the record straight I don't live in the US and have never worked for any US government agency.

    As a security consultant for over 12 years I can say that if DoD still allow USB throughout the network, especially their secure networks then they are behind the times.

    I was gluing up USB ports, disabling BIOS settings, implemeting custom software to disable floppy/CD/USB drives for about 7 years...

    The slashdot crowd love to throw technology (preferabily *nix) at a problem but the truth is, security is much more than just technology. It requires additional controls that take into consideration people and process.

    To protect against threats on the workstation require much more than just applying security on the workstation. Proper network segregation is paramount.

    Also I do doubt DoD would have lax controls in place in their secure zones that would put to rest of their network and at risk.

    Most environments have security challenges. DoD is no different.

  68. What about stuff that just wont work without? by BoneFlower · · Score: 1

    When I was in, there were several applications we used for various mapping tasks that required us to insert CD-ROMs full of the map data.

    We only had CDs for roughly half the region we were concerned with, and this totalled a couple hundered CDs.

    While hard drive space and bandwith has gone up tremendously since then, its a safe assumption that the amount of data involved has also grown tremendously.

    Unless this order has some exceptions, this could be a serious blow to the effectiveness of some units and duty sections, that would outweigh pretty much any benefit that could plausibly come of this order. Doesn't matter how secure you are if you can't do your job in the first place.

  69. Re:You CAN do it in Windows with the built in tool by rastos1 · · Score: 1

    And whoever said you can't prevent execute on windows systems is ignorant. You've been able to deny "Read & Execute" via NTFS permissions since NT 3.

    Yes, you can use NTFS permissions. But we talk about USB drives here. Every thumb drive that I've met was FAT formatted. Just like it came from factory. If you format it NTFS, then "well known SIDs" would work. But if you use some user specific permissions ... well perhaps with well managed AD forest it might work. I still consider Linux solution more elegant.

  70. Debrief me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was the real story here?

    I have it on inadequate authority that autorun was already disabled, removable storage was already banned, SEP 11 antivirus software was already required. Yet we are led to believe that an old worm that spreads by creating autorun files on removable media spread through the DoD.

    Something stinks about this story.