Also to those who say drop Exchange, what would recommend in place of it? Lotus blows (the client does anyways) so that leaves groupwise in the Groupware product market. I've yet to find a decent GPL groupware product that has a client on Windows that isn't some plugin for exchange.
If your stuck using Windows as a mail server, I would recommend a native Windows mail server over a unix mail server ported to windows. You will get better performance.
I didn't want to say for BSD if those servers by per chance didn't run on BSD. I'm not knocking FreeBSD as a platform, my experience of it is just very limited.
BSD I'm sure has a couple as well (I have no idea about BSD)
I think there is plenty of mail servers out there for you that work great regardless of OS and there is no need for Apache to create a new one.
If you don't want to get RIAA your money, you could always buy used CDs from your local store or I'm sure ebay has copy (I wonder how many are pirate copies though)
That's what we need, more HTML emails flying around the net. The geek in me hopes that GMail never implements HTML mail compose but the "businessman" in me sees why they would.
Beta testing my ass. Your right, it's still being "tested" but they are making money off it because I'm seeing those ads in my email. Besides, you can't give AWAY Gmail invitations these days.
I don't constantly tinker with Windows, My work box I don't think I've tinkered with month and my home box I haven't tinkered with either. Unless you include patching Windows "tinkering" or configurating a 3rd party app tinkering. My Windows 2003 server doing IIS, Mail and DNS hasn't been tinkered with either except for yet again patching.
I have my conceal handgun permit, for the same reason I have my firewall. I probably don't need it but why risk it? Name the last virus that has come through firewall and attacked IE without IE being on web. If I need my computer to get work done I will most likely either sit down at my WIndows XP desktop or my Mac OS X laptop. I will never sit down at my Linux box to actually do work because it drives me nuts. Linux makes a great server and crappy desktop OS in my opinion.
MS still needs constant tinkering, it's not for amateurs or home users. Use OS X, BSD or Linux instead.
Oh yea, because BSD and Linux don't requiring tinkering. Yep, that's it. I will agree with OS X however. Linux isn't the solution nor is OS X. If OS X reached a critical mass, P2P programs would come out for OS X and so would spyware and trojans. Yea I know you have to type your password for that type of shit to get installed but people will stupidly type them anyways. Only education and people caring will make an effect. ISPs need to be held responsable for their users behavior. If they don't want to learn, then either don't give them internet or create programs so they don't have to know. AOL starting to ship Anti Virus and firewalls is a start I guess. (They still have the most zombies on their network though) SP2 firewall is another start as well but Microsoft needs to backport to at least Windows 2000 as well understanding not everyone is going to upgrade. They could also give out Windows XP Home SP2 for dirt cheap (like 30 dollars) since most computers I've seen can run Windows XP with their current hardware.
I would also gather you work for EV1 which sales primary to web hosters. Webhosters want CPanel which is linux only. Yet again, people don't give a flying damn which OS they run as long as that OS can run the programs they want it to. I run Windows because I'm a gamer. Games are on Windows, see the connection here.
I do, I also like keep it around to test it. I've moved most of my hosting to my dedicated Windows 2003 box at Servermatrix. Some people trick out their cares simply because they want to see if they can. I screw with Windows 2003 to see if I can.
Earthlink, Grandpa, which their DNS has gone down, gotten really slow or has the world's longest TTL values so a local caching server is great. Some of us also use our personal domains to screw around with and if you get a static IP for 2 dollars more, don't have to worry about those perl scripts for DynDNS. I have p4 2.0 GHZ running Windows XP for gaming, email *thunderbird* and web browsing *firefox* and another p1.6 GHZ running Windows 2003 Enterprise for DNS, Mail (hmailserver) and IIS 6 (yep, I use IIS, who cares)
It works for me and my uptime with Windows has been most impressive. (for windows anyways)
yea, how? Just because it's running IIS 5 doesn't mean it has 14 holes automatically. I would imagine it's either A. Unpatched or B. Holes in LexusNexus software. C. Social engineering.
It doesn't or the one I had didn't. I did get it running under Gnome (I think I can't remember) but it required alot of x86config editing and trial and error.
I'm dualbooting SuSE 9.1 with Windows XP. I have an Nvidia 5200 Ultra which is a dual headed card. The NVidia drivers have been installed. I'd have two monitors hooked up and I'd like to go dual monitor. Under Windows, it's simple as telling it there is a second monitor attached (or rebooting after attaching the second monitor) Can you tell me under Linux how I go about installing that second monitor using YAST or another graphic wizard? If it requires editing some random conf file, forget it, you have lost, another point why linux isn't ready for the desktop.
Ummm... no. Most people I know use google. Also, as I install firefox to more and more friends computers, google is becoming their default search engine because that's the firefox default is.
And you would recommend what? What if your 100% Windows shop? DHCP isn't that high of performance or that big of deal that it would require it's own server. Same with DNS. Windows 2003 (in particular) does a pretty decent job serving up common network services
Antivirus is generally on the server in case something slips by clients putting stuff on it or prevent some script kiddie slipping a commonly known trojan to replace a file that exists. I've run McAfee 8.0 on File servers/DNS/DHCP servers for a while and it doesn't seem to effect it all.
Your an idiot for not running virus software on a server period. (esp if you have a site license)
I do business with TP (The Planet). They put up with alot of controversial sites that I know off. This one is a problem between US government, Iran government and TP caught in the middle. If you have a problem with this, contact your congressman, senator and President. (Not that they will give a damn unless you have $$$ but you could always try)
I hate perl on the web. It's annoying, it doesn't always play well and getting it to run on IIS is a bear. (I don't want to hear about with IIS, PHP works great in IIS and there is reasons for IIS) My personal opinion, Perl is exposed to the web way more often then it should be.
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Notes ability to scale does not change the fact that it sucks ass in other departments. Client being one of them.
I do a fair amount of business with them and their services are pretty decent.
http://www.theplanet.com/
Call 1-800-377-6103 and Ask for Enterprise Sales
Also to those who say drop Exchange, what would recommend in place of it? Lotus blows (the client does anyways) so that leaves groupwise in the Groupware product market. I've yet to find a decent GPL groupware product that has a client on Windows that isn't some plugin for exchange.
If your stuck using Windows as a mail server, I would recommend a native Windows mail server over a unix mail server ported to windows. You will get better performance.
Eval copies can be reactivated in my experience every 180 days by a simple reinstall. If not, you could always request another copy.
I didn't want to say for BSD if those servers by per chance didn't run on BSD. I'm not knocking FreeBSD as a platform, my experience of it is just very limited.
Stuck with Windows servers?
- Windows 2003 has a SMTP and POP3 server
- Mercury Mail (Free but not GPL)
- Hmailserver.com (GPL)
- Merak Mail server (Commericial but very NICE, also has a linux version in the works)
- There is always exchange if your feeling crazy.
BSD I'm sure has a couple as well (I have no idea about BSD)I think there is plenty of mail servers out there for you that work great regardless of OS and there is no need for Apache to create a new one.
Ahh but you can download Microsoft Windows 2003 server legally.
180 day trial and it's fully functional.
If you don't want to get RIAA your money, you could always buy used CDs from your local store or I'm sure ebay has copy (I wonder how many are pirate copies though)
That's what we need, more HTML emails flying around the net. The geek in me hopes that GMail never implements HTML mail compose but the "businessman" in me sees why they would.
Beta testing my ass. Your right, it's still being "tested" but they are making money off it because I'm seeing those ads in my email. Besides, you can't give AWAY Gmail invitations these days.
Yes but Satellite TV on a plane only has to worry about recieving. They have to do both sending and recieving with Wireless internet.
I don't constantly tinker with Windows, My work box I don't think I've tinkered with month and my home box I haven't tinkered with either. Unless you include patching Windows "tinkering" or configurating a 3rd party app tinkering. My Windows 2003 server doing IIS, Mail and DNS hasn't been tinkered with either except for yet again patching.
I have my conceal handgun permit, for the same reason I have my firewall. I probably don't need it but why risk it? Name the last virus that has come through firewall and attacked IE without IE being on web. If I need my computer to get work done I will most likely either sit down at my WIndows XP desktop or my Mac OS X laptop. I will never sit down at my Linux box to actually do work because it drives me nuts. Linux makes a great server and crappy desktop OS in my opinion.
I would also gather you work for EV1 which sales primary to web hosters. Webhosters want CPanel which is linux only. Yet again, people don't give a flying damn which OS they run as long as that OS can run the programs they want it to. I run Windows because I'm a gamer. Games are on Windows, see the connection here.
I do, I also like keep it around to test it. I've moved most of my hosting to my dedicated Windows 2003 box at Servermatrix. Some people trick out their cares simply because they want to see if they can. I screw with Windows 2003 to see if I can.
Earthlink, Grandpa, which their DNS has gone down, gotten really slow or has the world's longest TTL values so a local caching server is great. Some of us also use our personal domains to screw around with and if you get a static IP for 2 dollars more, don't have to worry about those perl scripts for DynDNS. I have p4 2.0 GHZ running Windows XP for gaming, email *thunderbird* and web browsing *firefox* and another p1.6 GHZ running Windows 2003 Enterprise for DNS, Mail (hmailserver) and IIS 6 (yep, I use IIS, who cares)
It works for me and my uptime with Windows has been most impressive. (for windows anyways)
I've yet to see a provider block port 53. If you know of one, please fill free to let me know.
Nothing stopping you from a setting up a local DNS server. We had issues with Comcast DNS until we simply set up our own.
yea, how? Just because it's running IIS 5 doesn't mean it has 14 holes automatically. I would imagine it's either A. Unpatched or B. Holes in LexusNexus software. C. Social engineering.
It doesn't or the one I had didn't. I did get it running under Gnome (I think I can't remember) but it required alot of x86config editing and trial and error.
I'm dualbooting SuSE 9.1 with Windows XP. I have an Nvidia 5200 Ultra which is a dual headed card. The NVidia drivers have been installed. I'd have two monitors hooked up and I'd like to go dual monitor. Under Windows, it's simple as telling it there is a second monitor attached (or rebooting after attaching the second monitor) Can you tell me under Linux how I go about installing that second monitor using YAST or another graphic wizard? If it requires editing some random conf file, forget it, you have lost, another point why linux isn't ready for the desktop.
Don't even get me started on my sound problems.
This doesn't apply to Linux on servers however..
Ummm... no. Most people I know use google. Also, as I install firefox to more and more friends computers, google is becoming their default search engine because that's the firefox default is.
And you would recommend what? What if your 100% Windows shop? DHCP isn't that high of performance or that big of deal that it would require it's own server. Same with DNS. Windows 2003 (in particular) does a pretty decent job serving up common network services
Antivirus is generally on the server in case something slips by clients putting stuff on it or prevent some script kiddie slipping a commonly known trojan to replace a file that exists. I've run McAfee 8.0 on File servers/DNS/DHCP servers for a while and it doesn't seem to effect it all.
Your an idiot for not running virus software on a server period. (esp if you have a site license)
Dang that's an old cache of slashdot.
Google is much more recent. Google Cache
I do business with TP (The Planet). They put up with alot of controversial sites that I know off. This one is a problem between US government, Iran government and TP caught in the middle. If you have a problem with this, contact your congressman, senator and President. (Not that they will give a damn unless you have $$$ but you could always try)
I hate perl on the web. It's annoying, it doesn't always play well and getting it to run on IIS is a bear. (I don't want to hear about with IIS, PHP works great in IIS and there is reasons for IIS) My personal opinion, Perl is exposed to the web way more often then it should be.