"Why do people jump on Christians and Jews because they apparently believe something that cannot be proven or disproven"
Honestly, I jump on them because they believe in fairy tales.
"There is no way to disprove evolution. That is why they haven't done it. There is also no way to disprove that _I_ created the earth. But, that doesn't mean we should teach it in schools"
This betrays your ignorance. The entire purpose of scientific method is to find ways to disprove theories.
Why you believe this is probably a result of your Kansas education, and one more reason to avoid watering down science ed in Kansas.
"When I use the term redneck, I'm am referring to someone who takes pride in being ignorant"
You mean like you when you DEFEND being a bigot? Wouldn't that make you a redneck?
"I'm not taking anything out on the farmers other than their desire to keep running a business that is not economically viable"
Then why are you discussing them when the topic is about science and religion? What does that have to do with the economics of farming?
No, if you were honest, you'd admit you're bigoted against people you percieve to be "rednecks", which is just as unacceptable as any other type of bigotry.
"Just let the kids from Kansas be like their redneck fore-fathers and work in the fields"
I think you should be careful. Just because you disagree with these people doesn't give you license to disparage them. Yes they are idiots, but call them idiots for being idiots.
Working in "the fields" is an incredibly important, honorable activity. Don't be an asshole and take it out on farmers (or rednecks) when it's CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS who are responsible. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people who claim "blacks are stupid" or "gays are perverts".
"The USA is quickly becoming the laughingstock of the world. I mean - fellow Europeans - do you do anything but laugh when you read an article like this"
See, I laugh every time some jingo european acts as though europe is "the world".
I suppose it would be funny, if it weren't how you really feel.
"that the MS marketing machine WILL try to make people believe"
I had no idea you could tell the future. I'm in Orlando, care to give me this weekend's lottery numbers?
From your posts, it's clear you are biased. Try to maintain some perspective.
No one believes MS is a charity. No one believes MS will give this stuff away, no strings. You must think we're all stupid, or at least less perceptive than you.
What some of us DO believe is that MS will release things that are, ultimately, useful and valuable.
And you never answered GP's question. For a developer, this could be exactly what they want. An opportunity to develop something, then cash in. Why's that bad?
He wasn't talking about pedophiles and you know it.
He was talking about gay men and hormonally active, sexually confused teenage boys.
You wouldn't put a group of teenage girls in the care of a man over the weekend in the woods unless you were irresponsible and wanted a sexual incident.
"He criticises them, and rightly so, for bigotry and hatred"
Ok. This is easily one of the stupidest rants I've seen in a while.
Since when does choosing not to associate with someone equate to "bigotry and hatred"? Quite the leap from a to b.
I choose not to associate with irrational morons who think that being an intolerant dick on a forum equates to wisdom. It doesn't mean I hate YOU, just that I choose not to associate with YOU.
Have a nice day.
"broaches affiliation in their relationships with churches, towns, veterans groups, and public schools"
And it's the responsibility of these groups to refuse to associate with the Scouts if their values don't match. That is the other part of free assembly, the right to NOT associate.
"for an organization that claims to stand for our country's values, it is extremely hypocritical to blindly discriminate based upon religion, gender and sexual orientation"
With all due respect, this is an idiotic statement. I'm sure you're a bright person, you just fucked this one up.
This is the country that passed, by a wide margin in most cases, every anti-gay marriage bill that went up. All of them
The Boy Scouts are exactly consistent with the values of this country.
If you think that you can make a reasonable argument that Boy Scouts are not a significant contribution to the community, try. I'll listen.
I think you'll look silly deriding an organization that is known for walking little old ladies across the street.
You hate that they bar gays. Say it and stop hiding behind that "public building" drivel.
While I don't disagree, I could easily refute you by saying Hitler was from Austria.
The fact that the origin of those terrorists was in Saudi Arabia is only relevant if they were supported by the kingdom. (I think they were, are, and will be in the future)
"I'll start by saying I am a christian so you know where I stand"
Yes, that you blindly believe in fairy tales. Not a good way to start.
"In the same way evolution, based on the science, has many holes and flaws. I'm not saying it isn't true but as it is stated and follwed, there are many flaws. But, for all I know they could be flaws in our logic as people"
Name them. While I know what flaws evolution has, I doubt very seriously if you've ever taken the time to learn them. Prove me wrong please.
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Fuck you dude, being a lefty paid for college. i played a sport where lefties were valuable, and got a scholarship.
But if you want to pay for college...
Plural of genius.
Whenever I hear someone say what you've said, I always think to myself, what about the other side.
As in, what gets funded instead of embryonic stem cell research? Alternatives, I imagine.
And while you rant about how we'll be behind, how can you say the alternatives that we are funding won't be valuable as well?
"I am just saying that it makes me laugh when I see Christian views labeled as "fairy tales" while Socialist views are considered acceptable"
Ok, but what does any of that have to do with me? I never said anythign about socialism at all.
More importantly, I doubt very seriously that you truly understand socialism, as evidenced by your amateurish assesments of it.
That's clearly wrong.
The police use judgement to selectively enforce laws all the time.
Not if the idea is stupid.
"They just want to DE-EMPASIZE evolution. Allow students to make that decision for themselves using the reasoning schools we DO teach them"
Why does allowing them to use the reasoning we teach them require that evolution be de-emphasized.
I would hope that if eveolution were flawed, my students would use the reasoning skills I taught them to discover that.
"Why do people jump on Christians and Jews because they apparently believe something that cannot be proven or disproven" Honestly, I jump on them because they believe in fairy tales.
"There is no way to disprove evolution. That is why they haven't done it. There is also no way to disprove that _I_ created the earth. But, that doesn't mean we should teach it in schools"
This betrays your ignorance. The entire purpose of scientific method is to find ways to disprove theories.
Why you believe this is probably a result of your Kansas education, and one more reason to avoid watering down science ed in Kansas.
This is another example of the idiots who write the headlines exaggerating the situation.
There's plenty of discussion about this currently, with all the same people for and against it. No one is going to sneak this one in.
Claiming it's "all but law" is like claiming slasdot is "all but accurate"
"When I use the term redneck, I'm am referring to someone who takes pride in being ignorant"
You mean like you when you DEFEND being a bigot? Wouldn't that make you a redneck?
"I'm not taking anything out on the farmers other than their desire to keep running a business that is not economically viable"
Then why are you discussing them when the topic is about science and religion? What does that have to do with the economics of farming?
No, if you were honest, you'd admit you're bigoted against people you percieve to be "rednecks", which is just as unacceptable as any other type of bigotry.
"Just let the kids from Kansas be like their redneck fore-fathers and work in the fields"
I think you should be careful. Just because you disagree with these people doesn't give you license to disparage them. Yes they are idiots, but call them idiots for being idiots.
Working in "the fields" is an incredibly important, honorable activity. Don't be an asshole and take it out on farmers (or rednecks) when it's CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS who are responsible. Otherwise you're just as bad as the people who claim "blacks are stupid" or "gays are perverts".
"The USA is quickly becoming the laughingstock of the world. I mean - fellow Europeans - do you do anything but laugh when you read an article like this"
See, I laugh every time some jingo european acts as though europe is "the world".
I suppose it would be funny, if it weren't how you really feel.
"SO they sue them and wait for the startup to go broke. No actual case needed - just a lawyer with a good eye for minutae to make issues over"
How, please, would MS sue them when THEY HAVE A LICENSE? As long as they meet the terms, they're safe.
Of course, now is when you'll start with the "MS boogeyman" crap and tell me they'll find a way. Sigh.
Stop spouting what you hear other idiots say, and come up with your own ideas. At least then you'll be original.
"that the MS marketing machine WILL try to make people believe"
I had no idea you could tell the future. I'm in Orlando, care to give me this weekend's lottery numbers?
From your posts, it's clear you are biased. Try to maintain some perspective.
No one believes MS is a charity. No one believes MS will give this stuff away, no strings. You must think we're all stupid, or at least less perceptive than you.
What some of us DO believe is that MS will release things that are, ultimately, useful and valuable.
And you never answered GP's question. For a developer, this could be exactly what they want. An opportunity to develop something, then cash in. Why's that bad?
There should be a mod -1 for "failed to look up and confirm the information I think to be true" so I could use it on you.
Come on man, this is a science geeks website. You should have known better.
He wasn't talking about pedophiles and you know it.
He was talking about gay men and hormonally active, sexually confused teenage boys.
You wouldn't put a group of teenage girls in the care of a man over the weekend in the woods unless you were irresponsible and wanted a sexual incident.
Why are gay men different?
"He criticises them, and rightly so, for bigotry and hatred" Ok. This is easily one of the stupidest rants I've seen in a while. Since when does choosing not to associate with someone equate to "bigotry and hatred"? Quite the leap from a to b. I choose not to associate with irrational morons who think that being an intolerant dick on a forum equates to wisdom. It doesn't mean I hate YOU, just that I choose not to associate with YOU. Have a nice day.
"broaches affiliation in their relationships with churches, towns, veterans groups, and public schools"
And it's the responsibility of these groups to refuse to associate with the Scouts if their values don't match. That is the other part of free assembly, the right to NOT associate.
I'll never get this victim mentality.
"for an organization that claims to stand for our country's values, it is extremely hypocritical to blindly discriminate based upon religion, gender and sexual orientation"
With all due respect, this is an idiotic statement. I'm sure you're a bright person, you just fucked this one up.
This is the country that passed, by a wide margin in most cases, every anti-gay marriage bill that went up. All of them
The Boy Scouts are exactly consistent with the values of this country.
Prove it, don't just say it. Show me facts. You may be correct, but I think you're spouting stuff you've heard others say.
If you think that you can make a reasonable argument that Boy Scouts are not a significant contribution to the community, try. I'll listen. I think you'll look silly deriding an organization that is known for walking little old ladies across the street. You hate that they bar gays. Say it and stop hiding behind that "public building" drivel.
Good guess. Bacteria, stressors (chemicals, antibiotics, etc.) Pretty simple, yet effective.
While I don't disagree, I could easily refute you by saying Hitler was from Austria.
The fact that the origin of those terrorists was in Saudi Arabia is only relevant if they were supported by the kingdom. (I think they were, are, and will be in the future)
By the way, I agree with your point.
"I'll start by saying I am a christian so you know where I stand"
Yes, that you blindly believe in fairy tales. Not a good way to start.
"In the same way evolution, based on the science, has many holes and flaws. I'm not saying it isn't true but as it is stated and follwed, there are many flaws. But, for all I know they could be flaws in our logic as people"
Name them. While I know what flaws evolution has, I doubt very seriously if you've ever taken the time to learn them. Prove me wrong please.