...but Britney Spears songs is written and/or arranged by very professionals, and 'Hit Me Babe One More Time' is quite serious work, if we look at chords and how they can be interpreted.
First your argument is fallancy itself - because there is example that operational system for easy to use, done right, could be cause of much less security problems. And guess what - it is NOT Linux (yet, but it is getting there), but OS X. I working on it in my work and believe me - it is no brainer to ask user his password to install any software. It doesn't install anything automaticly, but it is so easy to use that when I have to use Windows, I think...no way I can do this to myself.
I'm not Windows basher, I don't care about Microsoft for some 4 years already, but please get your facts right - it is NOT catch 22. Microsoft have blew Windows design for security for last ten years and only with Windows Server 2003 it got it right. So, no excuses.
Just a post scriptum - Last time I checked when I used my Linux box (Gentoo, CUPS, GNOME 2.10 standart version, no additional patches), it automaticly found big LaserJet 5500C and printed in colour without any problems. Also, most of printers too is also few clicks away. I know that some guy on RedHat works also on HAL/D-BUS to connect CUPS with recently added printers. Should be quite interesting.
GNOME and KDE only have start button, ok, WindoMaker too. But others - blackbox, XFCE, etc - doesn't give a shit for that.
Please when you flame about something, do it at least properly. And don't get in the fight with open source guys (not zealots, but actually admins and technicians who actually know much more about IT than you - because hey, they use Linux). They ARE smarter than you.
First of all, you know what research actually means - to get facts. And you know, opinion from liberal/religic lunatic/commie/etc. is also fact (about other peoples do feel about it). So it is like big, big bowl of these opinions, mixed with facts. Some of articles are war fields, some of them - very good references. Some of them not.
BUT in overall Wikipedia is God send, because I search in that almost all the time for various movies, books, etc. entities which facts simply cannot easy interpreted. Lengh of mile in kilometres can't be different in US and UK, can it?
I also like community feeling around it. It is like it's own universe. Knowledge, to know is the keywords to Wikipedia. And sharing of knowledge is what I really root for.
Problem is here that coorporations trust no one, they don't make any speculations and calculations on ethics, morality, good will, whatever. They do that on cold, hard cash. That's their problem - and will be their end. Like Acient Rome did.
Not yet, however, from my point of view, they are close. Actually what they need is extensive manual for Maya users to migrate on Blender. Blender is growing rapidly and get features/methods added in very fast pase. Check out Project Orange (link http://orange.blender.org/), which will be something like real life showcase of usability of Blender - in same time, big QA and bugfixing session too:)
Hmmmm, you can still have Linux and own application with CD and it will run when you will install it. I never have problems with that.
If you talking about free software applications, well, they thend to be upgradable and recomplied. As the most users can use urpmi/apt-get/redcarpet/etc - and believe me, lot of people I asked found it such relax, it's bullshit urban legend to say that users love download and install apps - POWER users love to do that, but sorry, they are minority.
For example, I had installed UT2004 on three four different flavours of Linux. No ONE had significant installation problems, it is very simple installation which requires almost nothing of knowledge of compiling.
Please stop lies, you don't have to recompile nothing.
...and it is actually very bad to don't have a proper ACPI support, because, if your model is supported by your operational system's ACPI, then pressing power button will shutdown your operational system, including Linux, by itself. No loss of data, correct shutdown, no waiting for that to happen.
But if it is _not_ supported - well, it could be very bad for your laptop, for example. I know lot of laptops without support for them in Linux will heat themselves too much and it can cause big trouble. With proper ACPI support, they work very good.
And, in fact, better don't switch your computers off at all. Because it will cost more you to change motherboard - if some day switching on/off will overcharge it too much - than paying your electricity bills (computers, at least modern ones, in sleep mode consumes almost nothing).
And on topic - yeah, journaling file systems gives a false sense of security. They just a little bit faster and safer. But they are not solution.
I'm working now on some large projects and have to say - to keep specification up to date, corrected, in good shape, it requires ONE man only for that purpose. Until heaven opens and money starts pouring down on us, forget about it - software projects are usually money-stripped and they simply can't afford that. It is reason for: * bad drivers; * bad driver specs; * UNwritten driver specs (forget about whole IP thingy when ask hardware guys about specs - they simply can't afford people to write it, it is very silly indeed, but mostly true); * apps don't act like they should do;
Problem with specs is lack of reality in expectations and managers who doesn't have a clue how important is API, specs, etc. documentation;
Yes, there are well kept, in good shape specs - but usually not for hardware (what Linus actually has talked about).
...but I find all that kind of sensacional articles, thoughts, opinions like "the $a is killer of $b", "$c in future will beat shit out of $d, for sure!" useless and trash. At least for me, it DOESN'T matter who will win and how - as long as choice is left to me, not to some kind of majority.
Yeah, yeah, I know, everyone will claim now that it is important will Microsoft stay in future as powerful as it is now, will Google rulle search for at least five, years... Hmmm, I haven't seen anything they have to offer to me. Apple/PC hardware, Linux/BSD interesting project news, things which actually works - that matters.
It seems to me that Slashdot turned into some kind of investiment newsletter - "see, it's mee, it's mee, you should invest in me, I will beat Microsoft, well, after ten years maybe, okei, it is too late, but look at the screenshots!"
Even those stories about Xbox hacking, watercooling, etc. is much more interesting that such drivel. I would like to see more stories about real difficulties and solutions for open source music recording, desktop publishing, mixed systems (OS X, Windows, Linux, BSD in one network), etc. It is stuff WHAT matters.
I just don't get it - does it is very important now? Microsoft will stay and Google will stay too. Maybe we should find a way to live along?
Maybe slashdot should think about some kind of integrity? Editors, please?
Problem I guess there is that subway co. should protect this info that way that they allow to distribute it - BUT it comes exactly from them, so there is correct information all over the place. Sometimes copyright protection is used for such simply reasons - not for money.
Yeah, I don't like current US goverment too (no offence to US citizens, lot of good things coming from you, just sometimes all that shortsighted greed from your coorporations are killing common sense in me), BUT please please PLEASE don't mess with INTERNET infrastructure. Because it works now and there is NO need something to change. Please drop your arrogance from both sides. I don't see reason why Internet should not stay that way it is now. Yes, there are always room for improvement, but please...
Shortly, RTFA. It is not commercial product, it is meant for childrens and youngsters of Africa, Brazil countries. This stuff really matters - at least for me as geek.
So you maybe just read topic of article or what - but it is not excuse, sorry, you reacting too harsh this time.
Maybe my addition to your comment will be nothing but...
All this smells totally about hidden Microsoft PR, because it uses marketing catch phrases "two days and no problem!", "Linux sucks, because there is hidden costs!". It can't fool specialst, however, unfortinately, it WILL fool business people, because they want everything to happen faster, faster, faster. And if someone says so - he/she says what they want to hear. Quite a paradox, because business is about hard, cold fact, right?
It is simply Microsoft PR material, somehow found it's way to Slashdot, which fits very well in my theory that Slashdot/OSNews is used VERY frequently from Microsoft PR guys and Grassrooting team to turn away attention from Linux/IBM/open source. I just wonder it would be very much to ask Slashdot editors be more careful to this practice. Maybe if we will ask strong enough...
And you want to know why politician needs tens of millions to get elected? Because people still threads politics as a game, as show. And they get it! All democratic politics system has failed big time, but no one is brave enough to admit it. And no - I don't call no regime change. We simply need to clean up this mess.
But my pick is it will happen when shit will start to try to enter into our mounths.
Sorry for the rant, but it is really sad to see democracy to fail.
Really, I have rather exotic hardware and all of that is working under 2.6.12 (yeah, I know, I haven't tried for 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 or another bleeding edge). For _me_, 2.6.12 is stable and snappy and I never expierenced problems with that.
However said that, I would like to see Linus and team to sucess in management of kernel, because development of it is so active that I really wonder how they still keep pulse on all this. My pick is that they should seperate development kernel from stable one - or at least get it more stable somehow - and get more people to review/test paches and kernel versions, at least submited patches.
Some grunting are signals that there are problems, inteed, and I guess Linus is very well aware about them - as it seems from this interview. So let's help them, instead of bashing them.
How to get that amount of value? Calibrate it somehow? Specialy for arts, where everything is subjective. Which is great movie and which movie sucks?
In reality we all know that managers sets how much they should cash in, so they get how much they should charge for it, so they get how much one piece (software box, ticket, etc.) should be for. Problem is that all big corporations act "greedy" to sustain big grown - due of shareholders who require more and more income each year, which actually doesn't mean profits in long term - they simply don't care. And there hides a problem, because pushing prices too high they are getting in the way of their long term success. More people are/will be driven to open source, free licensed music, indie music and movies, which will charge maybe the same, but will be quality stuff. Yeah, there always be sheeps but I guess changes are in the air already.
My pick is that I don't judge it as moral problem - "greedy" is just very subjective term. I see it more like very short-sight in many levels - economical, business, social senses.
My pick is that all shareholder system in many cases fails to provide any proof of that "greed" is the best way to drive company.
Show me their frags list for last five, seven years. Netscape was mererly success because well, Netscape sucked that time (be honest, Netscape 4.x series was big disaster). Lotus 1-2-3 - too historical event to be compared to this.
See, in those times, not everyone expected Microsoft to act THAT bad. Now industry and competitiors are much more educated about whereabouts of Microsoft.
What will happen to Google? I don't see ANY weapon Microsoft can lay against it now. Monopoly power? Get over it, it WON'T work, because they abused it last years SO much that no company or entity of business or govemerment ANY kind is bound to believe them. So they will buy AOL and try to revert search to MSN? So what, it is somehow makes MSN Search superior? People aren't THAT stupid anymore, at least majority - sure, they don't know precisely what is this all internet thingy is, but they want 'to google'. MSN can't beat that - and with their attitude I'm sure they won't.
Sorry, It WON'T be killer app. For that cause that MOST features of collabration is not needed by common crowd. Yeah, managers and busness people would love that (and I DON'T downplay it's importance), and they are significant, but just a part of market.
This app won't go on Win98, Win2000, etc. So forget it. These people WON'T change their computers for that cause.
Therefore to say that, OO.o could have more commercial sollutions for collabration, AFAIK, there are lot of free ones.
...news at eleven. I actually RTFA and yeah, there are some issues about management, but is more like communication problem between shareholders and management, and I guess it will be soon cleared out.
I repeat, it is NOT about finansial problems in Novell, they have some loss, but they are doing quite fine in large perspective.
I would be like to mod you insightful, your comment is right on line. I never got XP split in home/pro versions, because it created more confusion than helped customers. Also I agree with that part that most users get their Windows with new computer, and corporate users won't upgrade for five years at minimum.
So...it is maybe they want to copy Apple, but why? I don't any nor finansial nor logical reason to do so in this case.
It is like Microsoft is really have woken up finally and started to do something. Last few years I have had that expression that all what Microsoft wants to do is bullying it's customers. Now they are trying to impress everyone with PR shock, flooding in massive with lots of info about new products.
Yeah, they feel competition, and I thank any single Linux/BSD/Solaris distro, Firefox, Apple for that. Because it is all what we need to get IT really work for common crowd - to be useful, productive, etc.
If I am honest, I have seen new screenshots and well - they don't impress me. So far I have seen a habbit to even KDE guys admit that less is more, don't even talk about GNOME and OS X guys. And here comes Windows Vista with what can I call - detail overblown. Yeah, nothing in the stone yet and I hope they will get rid of that "so-much-details-that-my-destkop-looks-like-page-o f-the-comics-book".
p.s. I'm not Windows user, I'm Linux/OS X advocate, but still I can't ignore what happens to Windows world as lot of my colegues and friends uses it. p.s.s. and yes, I think GNOME/KDE guys can create much better and more functional eye candy than that.
Well, if you don't differ half-joke from serious ambitions, then I guess you propably doesn't understand the world you livin at all.
Microsoft wants to rule world trough power of money and monopoly, trough force. Linus wants to "rule" world trough learning, education, colabration, and that stuff.
And I think it would be wrong to guess which way most people would prefer.
New ideas aren't that trashy (even for me, which haven't used MS Office for ages), but in overall I would welcome more cleaner and simpler interface, not so colorful. Of course, if it is what clueless user wants...then it is so.
And also I see new feature bloat - nothing that would allow to work me more successfully.
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...but Britney Spears songs is written and/or arranged by very professionals, and 'Hit Me Babe One More Time' is quite serious work, if we look at chords and how they can be interpreted.
First your argument is fallancy itself - because there is example that operational system for easy to use, done right, could be cause of much less security problems. And guess what - it is NOT Linux (yet, but it is getting there), but OS X. I working on it in my work and believe me - it is no brainer to ask user his password to install any software. It doesn't install anything automaticly, but it is so easy to use that when I have to use Windows, I think...no way I can do this to myself.
I'm not Windows basher, I don't care about Microsoft for some 4 years already, but please get your facts right - it is NOT catch 22. Microsoft have blew Windows design for security for last ten years and only with Windows Server 2003 it got it right. So, no excuses.
Just a post scriptum - Last time I checked when I used my Linux box (Gentoo, CUPS, GNOME 2.10 standart version, no additional patches), it automaticly found big LaserJet 5500C and printed in colour without any problems. Also, most of printers too is also few clicks away. I know that some guy on RedHat works also on HAL/D-BUS to connect CUPS with recently added printers. Should be quite interesting.
GNOME and KDE only have start button, ok, WindoMaker too. But others - blackbox, XFCE, etc - doesn't give a shit for that.
Please when you flame about something, do it at least properly. And don't get in the fight with open source guys (not zealots, but actually admins and technicians who actually know much more about IT than you - because hey, they use Linux). They ARE smarter than you.
First of all, you know what research actually means - to get facts. And you know, opinion from liberal/religic lunatic/commie/etc. is also fact (about other peoples do feel about it). So it is like big, big bowl of these opinions, mixed with facts. Some of articles are war fields, some of them - very good references. Some of them not.
BUT in overall Wikipedia is God send, because I search in that almost all the time for various movies, books, etc. entities which facts simply cannot easy interpreted. Lengh of mile in kilometres can't be different in US and UK, can it?
I also like community feeling around it. It is like it's own universe. Knowledge, to know is the keywords to Wikipedia. And sharing of knowledge is what I really root for.
Problem is here that coorporations trust no one, they don't make any speculations and calculations on ethics, morality, good will, whatever. They do that on cold, hard cash. That's their problem - and will be their end. Like Acient Rome did.
Not yet, however, from my point of view, they are close. Actually what they need is extensive manual for Maya users to migrate on Blender. Blender is growing rapidly and get features/methods added in very fast pase. Check out Project Orange (link http://orange.blender.org/), which will be something like real life showcase of usability of Blender - in same time, big QA and bugfixing session too :)
Hmmmm, you can still have Linux and own application with CD and it will run when you will install it. I never have problems with that.
If you talking about free software applications, well, they thend to be upgradable and recomplied. As the most users can use urpmi/apt-get/redcarpet/etc - and believe me, lot of people I asked found it such relax, it's bullshit urban legend to say that users love download and install apps - POWER users love to do that, but sorry, they are minority.
For example, I had installed UT2004 on three four different flavours of Linux. No ONE had significant installation problems, it is very simple installation which requires almost nothing of knowledge of compiling.
Please stop lies, you don't have to recompile nothing.
...and it is actually very bad to don't have a proper ACPI support, because, if your model is supported by your operational system's ACPI, then pressing power button will shutdown your operational system, including Linux, by itself. No loss of data, correct shutdown, no waiting for that to happen.
But if it is _not_ supported - well, it could be very bad for your laptop, for example. I know lot of laptops without support for them in Linux will heat themselves too much and it can cause big trouble. With proper ACPI support, they work very good.
And, in fact, better don't switch your computers off at all. Because it will cost more you to change motherboard - if some day switching on/off will overcharge it too much - than paying your electricity bills (computers, at least modern ones, in sleep mode consumes almost nothing).
And on topic - yeah, journaling file systems gives a false sense of security. They just a little bit faster and safer. But they are not solution.
I'm working now on some large projects and have to say - to keep specification up to date, corrected, in good shape, it requires ONE man only for that purpose. Until heaven opens and money starts pouring down on us, forget about it - software projects are usually money-stripped and they simply can't afford that. It is reason for:
* bad drivers;
* bad driver specs;
* UNwritten driver specs (forget about whole IP thingy when ask hardware guys about specs - they simply can't afford people to write it, it is very silly indeed, but mostly true);
* apps don't act like they should do;
Problem with specs is lack of reality in expectations and managers who doesn't have a clue how important is API, specs, etc. documentation;
Yes, there are well kept, in good shape specs - but usually not for hardware (what Linus actually has talked about).
...but I find all that kind of sensacional articles, thoughts, opinions like "the $a is killer of $b", "$c in future will beat shit out of $d, for sure!" useless and trash. At least for me, it DOESN'T matter who will win and how - as long as choice is left to me, not to some kind of majority.
Yeah, yeah, I know, everyone will claim now that it is important will Microsoft stay in future as powerful as it is now, will Google rulle search for at least five, years... Hmmm, I haven't seen anything they have to offer to me. Apple/PC hardware, Linux/BSD interesting project news, things which actually works - that matters.
It seems to me that Slashdot turned into some kind of investiment newsletter - "see, it's mee, it's mee, you should invest in me, I will beat Microsoft, well, after ten years maybe, okei, it is too late, but look at the screenshots!"
Even those stories about Xbox hacking, watercooling, etc. is much more interesting that such drivel.
I would like to see more stories about real difficulties and solutions for open source music recording, desktop publishing, mixed systems (OS X, Windows, Linux, BSD in one network), etc. It is stuff WHAT matters.
I just don't get it - does it is very important now? Microsoft will stay and Google will stay too. Maybe we should find a way to live along?
Maybe slashdot should think about some kind of integrity? Editors, please?
Problem I guess there is that subway co. should protect this info that way that they allow to distribute it - BUT it comes exactly from them, so there is correct information all over the place. Sometimes copyright protection is used for such simply reasons - not for money.
Yeah, I don't like current US goverment too (no offence to US citizens, lot of good things coming from you, just sometimes all that shortsighted greed from your coorporations are killing common sense in me), BUT please please PLEASE don't mess with INTERNET infrastructure. Because it works now and there is NO need something to change. Please drop your arrogance from both sides. I don't see reason why Internet should not stay that way it is now. Yes, there are always room for improvement, but please...
Simply. Don't. Do. That.
Shortly, RTFA. It is not commercial product, it is meant for childrens and youngsters of Africa, Brazil countries. This stuff really matters - at least for me as geek.
So you maybe just read topic of article or what - but it is not excuse, sorry, you reacting too harsh this time.
Maybe my addition to your comment will be nothing but...
All this smells totally about hidden Microsoft PR, because it uses marketing catch phrases "two days and no problem!", "Linux sucks, because there is hidden costs!". It can't fool specialst, however, unfortinately, it WILL fool business people, because they want everything to happen faster, faster, faster. And if someone says so - he/she says what they want to hear. Quite a paradox, because business is about hard, cold fact, right?
It is simply Microsoft PR material, somehow found it's way to Slashdot, which fits very well in my theory that Slashdot/OSNews is used VERY frequently from Microsoft PR guys and Grassrooting team to turn away attention from Linux/IBM/open source. I just wonder it would be very much to ask Slashdot editors be more careful to this practice. Maybe if we will ask strong enough...
And you want to know why politician needs tens of millions to get elected? Because people still threads politics as a game, as show. And they get it! All democratic politics system has failed big time, but no one is brave enough to admit it. And no - I don't call no regime change. We simply need to clean up this mess.
But my pick is it will happen when shit will start to try to enter into our mounths.
Sorry for the rant, but it is really sad to see democracy to fail.
Really, I have rather exotic hardware and all of that is working under 2.6.12 (yeah, I know, I haven't tried for 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 or another bleeding edge). For _me_, 2.6.12 is stable and snappy and I never expierenced problems with that.
However said that, I would like to see Linus and team to sucess in management of kernel, because development of it is so active that I really wonder how they still keep pulse on all this. My pick is that they should seperate development kernel from stable one - or at least get it more stable somehow - and get more people to review/test paches and kernel versions, at least submited patches.
Some grunting are signals that there are problems, inteed, and I guess Linus is very well aware about them - as it seems from this interview. So let's help them, instead of bashing them.
How to get that amount of value? Calibrate it somehow? Specialy for arts, where everything is subjective. Which is great movie and which movie sucks?
In reality we all know that managers sets how much they should cash in, so they get how much they should charge for it, so they get how much one piece (software box, ticket, etc.) should be for. Problem is that all big corporations act "greedy" to sustain big grown - due of shareholders who require more and more income each year, which actually doesn't mean profits in long term - they simply don't care. And there hides a problem, because pushing prices too high they are getting in the way of their long term success. More people are/will be driven to open source, free licensed music, indie music and movies, which will charge maybe the same, but will be quality stuff. Yeah, there always be sheeps but I guess changes are in the air already.
My pick is that I don't judge it as moral problem - "greedy" is just very subjective term. I see it more like very short-sight in many levels - economical, business, social senses.
My pick is that all shareholder system in many cases fails to provide any proof of that "greed" is the best way to drive company.
Show me their frags list for last five, seven years. Netscape was mererly success because well, Netscape sucked that time (be honest, Netscape 4.x series was big disaster). Lotus 1-2-3 - too historical event to be compared to this.
See, in those times, not everyone expected Microsoft to act THAT bad. Now industry and competitiors are much more educated about whereabouts of Microsoft.
What will happen to Google? I don't see ANY weapon Microsoft can lay against it now. Monopoly power? Get over it, it WON'T work, because they abused it last years SO much that no company or entity of business or govemerment ANY kind is bound to believe them. So they will buy AOL and try to revert search to MSN? So what, it is somehow makes MSN Search superior? People aren't THAT stupid anymore, at least majority - sure, they don't know precisely what is this all internet thingy is, but they want 'to google'. MSN can't beat that - and with their attitude I'm sure they won't.
Sorry, It WON'T be killer app. For that cause that MOST features of collabration is not needed by common crowd. Yeah, managers and busness people would love that (and I DON'T downplay it's importance), and they are significant, but just a part of market.
This app won't go on Win98, Win2000, etc. So forget it. These people WON'T change their computers for that cause.
Therefore to say that, OO.o could have more commercial sollutions for collabration, AFAIK, there are lot of free ones.
...news at eleven. I actually RTFA and yeah, there are some issues about management, but is more like communication problem between shareholders and management, and I guess it will be soon cleared out.
I repeat, it is NOT about finansial problems in Novell, they have some loss, but they are doing quite fine in large perspective.
I would be like to mod you insightful, your comment is right on line. I never got XP split in home/pro versions, because it created more confusion than helped customers. Also I agree with that part that most users get their Windows with new computer, and corporate users won't upgrade for five years at minimum.
So...it is maybe they want to copy Apple, but why? I don't any nor finansial nor logical reason to do so in this case.
It is like Microsoft is really have woken up finally and started to do something. Last few years I have had that expression that all what Microsoft wants to do is bullying it's customers. Now they are trying to impress everyone with PR shock, flooding in massive with lots of info about new products.
o f-the-comics-book".
Yeah, they feel competition, and I thank any single Linux/BSD/Solaris distro, Firefox, Apple for that. Because it is all what we need to get IT really work for common crowd - to be useful, productive, etc.
If I am honest, I have seen new screenshots and well - they don't impress me. So far I have seen a habbit to even KDE guys admit that less is more, don't even talk about GNOME and OS X guys. And here comes Windows Vista with what can I call - detail overblown. Yeah, nothing in the stone yet and I hope they will get rid of that "so-much-details-that-my-destkop-looks-like-page-
p.s. I'm not Windows user, I'm Linux/OS X advocate, but still I can't ignore what happens to
Windows world as lot of my colegues and friends uses it.
p.s.s. and yes, I think GNOME/KDE guys can create
much better and more functional eye candy than that.
Well, if you don't differ half-joke from serious ambitions, then I guess you propably doesn't understand the world you livin at all.
Microsoft wants to rule world trough power of money and monopoly, trough force. Linus wants to "rule" world trough learning, education, colabration, and that stuff.
And I think it would be wrong to guess which way most people would prefer.
Linux is one entity? From which time? Linux motto I guess so far have been "everything is a choice". As Far As I See That.
New ideas aren't that trashy (even for me, which haven't used MS Office for ages), but in overall I would welcome more cleaner and simpler interface, not so colorful. Of course, if it is what clueless user wants...then it is so.
And also I see new feature bloat - nothing that would allow to work me more successfully.