Hmmmm, F/OSS evangelists do that? Most them don't even care about IE bugs anymore, because they lost count.
Look, if I am honest, i don't give a shit about IE, because I simply don't use it, so I'm not going to bash or prise it. But what you claim is outright ridiculous. This is NOT a trojan case, it is first, so you compare apples with oranges, second, it is just bug in JavaScript, concept of installing software from web site was right with whitelist protection, if it doesn't work it is bug, but not in design, but in coding. Third, you just think that many people will install this theoretical GPL-based trojan horse without questions - don't mentioning that very early adaptors of any new GPL based app is usually geeks who doesn't take security lightly - then please show me some record when such thing ever has happened.
I would like to spend mod points to mod you troll, but hey, as it is stylish now to bash open source in Slashdot now (because lot of Microsoft/Windows crowd joined recently years) and you will get certanly some mod points for saying 'i told you so, open source is unsecure and evil'. It doesn't matter that reality check shows different picture.
Yeah, but it is allowed only to official firefox/mozilla sites. I don't see any kind of problem here. Just FUDing. It is not even bug, but a feature, which, properly set up - like in default install - won't do any harm.
I completely agree with you. You know why? Because when artist creates something, it takes lot of inspiration and sources from community, world, everything. They should give back.
But thanks to copyright extend which is only for companies for the place - to protect their investment in their "Intelectual Property" (I start to threat those words lika swearing) - it won't happen.
Yeah, US, go on. Common sense and some kind of equilibrium if we talk about laws doesn't apply to you - only pure money.
First of all, judging from trailer so far, Bale looks perfect, very fit, stylish and in same time we see some real emotions and actions, not just 'went-and-kicked-some-bad-guys-asses'. Second, lot of support cast - Freeman, Liam Neeson, etc. - is first rate stars.
We see lot of DARK action in the movie. Yeah, it could even contain a death of someone Batman loves - altought it is guess while I haven't seen movie.
So...question is - could it possibly go somewhere wrong? Yes it could still. But as movie is shot by one of my favorite directors and stars Bale (which is my favorite in male actors category for some time, due of Equilibrium, willing to see The Mechanist and American Psycho), I wish them lot of artistic luck - let the director's eye doesn't run dry when he cuts and cuts and cuts and cuts...:)
There is a reason why PDF is very popular, because it was open. But it came slowly. For Metro it would require lot of more openess and I don't see how Microsoft with such changing trend (Apple, GNU/Linux gaining ground) will do this.
Microsoft has lot of various projects which takes something old, say that they will develop new version with 'something exciting new features', hype it and.... it all goes away.
It is somehow strange... I don't see such comments when Microsoft releases again some nice Longhorn shots (see, see, we just actually developing something!), when they are really NOT newsworth. However, when someone open source project have done right their PR and they celebrate their success - if you would say that 50 milion downloads is nothing then you must be simply ignorant - it all about - they count updates, it doesn't matter, because lot of people download twice, etc.
What is with you people? Yes, there is such behaviour from both sides, but mostly Slashdot for the last year is plagued by Microsoft apologists. For christ sake, if you are so very confident about your Microsoft apps and it's usage, why are you come here? I have seen more trolling and zealotism from Microsoft fanboys than I ever seen it from Slashdot free software/open source guys.
Or is this? I just start to wonder how paid Microsoft PR people are here on Slashdot with the aim to push such articles trough? Because OS X is out? Because Apple is gaining ground?
Microsoft Office 2004? Yeah, it is for Mac. Games? Most popular ones are coming to Mac rather quickly. What is etc? Stuff that works? Lot of it already has sexy, stylish OS X apps like iCal, Mail, Address Book, iWork (super word editor, I love it). For flowchars use OmniGraffle - that's super.
Believe me - when people start to feel when they're pissed off, they are doing rather serious stuff to change that state of things.
..and no, nor I waiting for Longhorn nor hyping about it. In fact, I'm free software advocat and active GNOME user and developer. But whole article smells for flamebat mod point, because it will only anger Windows users. It could use more calm language for setting tone for discusion.
I hate to see any flame wars because they are, well, worthless. Longhorn is still two years at least away. When normal product will come out then we could disscuss this.
Google is a company which publicy trade only a small tiny part of their shares. Most of them still belongs to founders, as they don't seem to even try to sell them.
So why do you think people really use WAV and FLAC for sharing music already? Why they share VOBs?
Because bandwith is cheap. Hard disk space is cheap. And in the end, people tends to have a quality - actually you would be very surprised how differently one song (for example, I listen these days Seal - there is such song 'When The Man is Wrong'). I have listen it to mp3 and with very small speakers.
I now listen full blown WAV and with normal audio system - still trough PC - and it blows me away how differently it sounds.
At the begining no one one cared that internet audio streaming was 16kb/sec, it was like 8-bit, 22'000 khz resolution. No one can listen to such stream for hour these days - and you won't find such stream either. It is usually 64kb/128kb 44'000 and 16 bit resolution. Almost as Mp3.
And for user, there is no big deal for file size. For common user.
Not exactly. When I own something - in this case copyright on certain work of art - my song - I have all rights with me. I can't take away something you don't have. You don't have rights to listen/copy/play in your cd unless I give you such rights. I can give you rights to listen it once.
Of coarse, it is all copyright theory. Yes, it can sound silly, but it is so. It is a law.
For another hand, in practice I would like to see more sane interpretation of this law, but for today, there are hurd of lawyers, coorporations, agencies who just want 'ultraconcervative copyright regime'. Of course, it will hit them back sooner or later, but for now they just try to annoy as much consumers of copyrighted works as they can. It is very shortsighted. But I don't care less that there are very few things they produce to be worthwhile to watch/listen. There IS a reason why independent movies/music are picking up the pieces these days. For example, 'Keane' was recorded/published by independent. No big record company wanted to mess with them. In the end, they were undoubtly surprise of poprock in 2004. And such examples are coming every day.
It will be certanly interesting for example as such group as Radiohead will do - their contract for 5 records are expired and so far I haven't heard any kind of rumors for additional contract so I guess they will go also independent way.
So, in overall, your argument was wrong. But in pratice, I would like to see more understanding from record companies about how much they can cash in from consumers. Because going around, threatining everyone with lawsuits and limiting access to their content doesn't help their business either.
Hmmmm, no. I don't see any kind of reason why should PNG fail as JPEG replacement. Sure, hell, Microsoft will beat shit out of Forgent and everyone, including open source folks, will be happy, because JPEG was meant to be free format, so if someone like Microsoft is pushed to protect this, let it be then.
But I can share PNG files very easily and without big problems already now. File size is not such a big deal.
So it just needs a few apps to switch to this format - in the case of very bad news from Forgent - and believe me, no one will notice. Users don't care about formats - and I agree they shouldn't, they just need a stuff which works. PNG support is wide-spread, so using and spreading it shouldn't be a problem already now.
Information and ideas are only worth any dime WHEN you are using into your products, services, etc. If you will be smart enough to create idea, you will be smart enought to get till the end. I, as a man with lot of very good ideas, can say, that idea by itself is NOTHING. Repeat after me, NOTHING. If I have very good melody and idea how to bring it to my fans and listeners, I just record it, sing it - and copyright law covers it. I don't care that someone listen it and get inspired too - I happy, because I have done something it was worth to do it.
And sorry, If you feel not enough compensated, well, then go, find another work. It is how intelectual market works - there will be always influences, even citation, ok, copycats should not be allowed, but other way...
I just see it all not as unjustice, but some people's greed, that's all.
First of all, OS X and Mac OS had a superb search FOR ages which works VERY good. Windows search compare to that is a JOKE. Spotlight is just more branded and search more metadata and gives it in more user friendly form. But as search on my OS X stations I just click on input where i start to type file name which I look for and...whola! there it is.
And second - Longhorn is 3 YEARS still to go! It is like middle ages for history! For christ sakes, Microsoft must be desperate to push such PR stunt like this.
And yeah, as open source advocat, I have to say that Beagle will certanly rock the world too - because it is actively developed and pushed by Novel/Ximian guys. And of coarse, let's not forget king of the hill in search now - Google.
And if it is not paid article - however it looks like - then it is such "we just love Microsoft" style press which I simply can't stand anymore.
Actually you are moderated 'Funny', but If I had mod points now, I would mod you Insightful, because it is EXACTLY how Microsoft releases it's products.
Just wanted to point out for similar tactic used again Linux when comparing it with Windows.
First, it claims that yeah, Linux (Firefox) is good, open, etc. etc. and then comes contra attack - BUT what it claims isn't so. And begins - yeah, security reports are much more, there is no big (bad) company behind product, there are some unsuported thingies, etc.
I don't have time to write it in proper english, but all what I wanted to say that I getting tired from that Microsoft can't stand competition and use their PR machine to milk oposition. Healthy criticism is always welcome, but somehow I still have to see that. Usually such articles is targeted to those users who are in doubt - to prevent their migration.
It would work for some time, but in the end, Microsoft PR will end in big trouble.
Yes, Faith sometimes is blind. Sometimes it's good - because it leads human being trough hard times. It has very big possiblity to blind you, and yet, sometimes it can get you to your aim, while logic in such situations would lead you nowhere.
I actually respect your thoughts and what you have faith for - as long as you don't force your beliefs, as long as we can disscuss in peacful manier.
Microsoft PR and Marketing dep. should be very desperate because all press raves about Apple products - iPod, MacMini and now THIS!? Of coarse, they should do something.
But this something, in the light of delayed release date (about which fact I hadn't doubt about even before Microsoft SWORE that it will be released in 2006), is actually pure example of BAD marketing, because Microsoft usually somehow be more 'cool' about itself. As someone poster pointed out - Microsoft is forced to compete. And as we see, they simply can't handle so much heat.
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Hmmmm, F/OSS evangelists do that? Most them don't even care about IE bugs anymore, because they lost count.
Look, if I am honest, i don't give a shit about IE, because I simply don't use it, so I'm not going to bash or prise it. But what you claim is outright ridiculous. This is NOT a trojan case, it is first, so you compare apples with oranges, second, it is just bug in JavaScript, concept of installing software from web site was right with whitelist protection, if it doesn't work it is bug, but not in design, but in coding. Third, you just think that many people will install this theoretical GPL-based trojan horse without questions - don't mentioning that very early adaptors of any new GPL based app is usually geeks who doesn't take security lightly - then please show me some record when such thing ever has happened.
I would like to spend mod points to mod you troll, but hey, as it is stylish now to bash open source in Slashdot now (because lot of Microsoft/Windows crowd joined recently years) and you will get certanly some mod points for saying 'i told you so, open source is unsecure and evil'. It doesn't matter that reality check shows different picture.
Yeah, but it is allowed only to official firefox/mozilla sites. I don't see any kind of problem here. Just FUDing. It is not even bug, but a feature, which, properly set up - like in default install - won't do any harm.
I completely agree with you. You know why? Because when artist creates something, it takes lot of inspiration and sources from community, world, everything. They should give back.
But thanks to copyright extend which is only for companies for the place - to protect their investment in their "Intelectual Property" (I start to threat those words lika swearing) - it won't happen.
Yeah, US, go on. Common sense and some kind of equilibrium if we talk about laws doesn't apply to you - only pure money.
(rant mode off)
First of all, judging from trailer so far, Bale looks perfect, very fit, stylish and in same time we see some real emotions and actions, not just 'went-and-kicked-some-bad-guys-asses'. Second, lot of support cast - Freeman, Liam Neeson, etc. - is first rate stars.
:)
We see lot of DARK action in the movie. Yeah, it could even contain a death of someone Batman loves - altought it is guess while I haven't seen movie.
So...question is - could it possibly go somewhere wrong? Yes it could still. But as movie is shot by one of my favorite directors and stars Bale (which is my favorite in male actors category for some time, due of Equilibrium, willing to see The Mechanist and American Psycho), I wish them lot of artistic luck - let the director's eye doesn't run dry when he cuts and cuts and cuts and cuts...
I will wait for this movie, certanly.
Emmmm...no.
There is a reason why PDF is very popular, because it was open. But it came slowly. For Metro it would require lot of more openess and I don't see how Microsoft with such changing trend (Apple, GNU/Linux gaining ground) will do this.
Microsoft has lot of various projects which takes something old, say that they will develop new version with 'something exciting new features', hype it and.... it all goes away.
It is somehow strange... I don't see such comments when Microsoft releases again some nice Longhorn shots (see, see, we just actually developing something!), when they are really NOT newsworth. However, when someone open source project have done right their PR and they celebrate their success - if you would say that 50 milion downloads is nothing then you must be simply ignorant - it all about - they count updates, it doesn't matter, because lot of people download twice, etc.
What is with you people? Yes, there is such behaviour from both sides, but mostly Slashdot for the last year is plagued by Microsoft apologists. For christ sake, if you are so very confident about your Microsoft apps and it's usage, why are you come here? I have seen more trolling and zealotism from Microsoft fanboys than I ever seen it from Slashdot free software/open source guys.
Or is this? I just start to wonder how paid Microsoft PR people are here on Slashdot with the aim to push such articles trough? Because OS X is out? Because Apple is gaining ground?
:)
I just wonder
This is answer to your question:
Slashdot comment #12352325
No, they don't count updates from FF as downloads in spreadfirefox.com counter.
Why new set of applications?
Let's check.
Microsoft Office 2004? Yeah, it is for Mac.
Games? Most popular ones are coming to Mac rather quickly.
What is etc? Stuff that works? Lot of it already has sexy, stylish OS X apps like iCal, Mail, Address Book, iWork (super word editor, I love it). For flowchars use OmniGraffle - that's super.
Believe me - when people start to feel when they're pissed off, they are doing rather serious stuff to change that state of things.
..and no, nor I waiting for Longhorn nor hyping about it. In fact, I'm free software advocat and active GNOME user and developer. But whole article smells for flamebat mod point, because it will only anger Windows users. It could use more calm language for setting tone for discusion.
I hate to see any flame wars because they are, well, worthless. Longhorn is still two years at least away. When normal product will come out then we could disscuss this.
Google is a company which publicy trade only a small tiny part of their shares. Most of them still belongs to founders, as they don't seem to even try to sell them.
So... No. It is not that way you state it.
So why do you think people really use WAV and FLAC for sharing music already? Why they share VOBs?
Because bandwith is cheap. Hard disk space is cheap. And in the end, people tends to have a quality - actually you would be very surprised how differently one song (for example, I listen these days Seal - there is such song 'When The Man is Wrong'). I have listen it to mp3 and with very small speakers.
I now listen full blown WAV and with normal audio system - still trough PC - and it blows me away how differently it sounds.
At the begining no one one cared that internet audio streaming was 16kb/sec, it was like 8-bit, 22'000 khz resolution. No one can listen to such stream for hour these days - and you won't find such stream either. It is usually 64kb/128kb 44'000 and 16 bit resolution. Almost as Mp3.
And for user, there is no big deal for file size.
For common user.
For you maybe it is.
Not exactly. When I own something - in this case copyright on certain work of art - my song - I have all rights with me. I can't take away something you don't have. You don't have rights to listen/copy/play in your cd unless I give you such rights. I can give you rights to listen it once.
Of coarse, it is all copyright theory. Yes, it can sound silly, but it is so. It is a law.
For another hand, in practice I would like to see more sane interpretation of this law, but for today, there are hurd of lawyers, coorporations, agencies who just want 'ultraconcervative copyright regime'. Of course, it will hit them back sooner or later, but for now they just try to annoy as much consumers of copyrighted works as they can. It is very shortsighted. But I don't care less that there are very few things they produce to be worthwhile to watch/listen. There IS a reason why independent movies/music are picking up the pieces these days. For example, 'Keane' was recorded/published by independent. No big record company wanted to mess with them. In the end, they were undoubtly surprise of poprock in 2004. And such examples are coming every day.
It will be certanly interesting for example as such group as Radiohead will do - their contract for 5 records are expired and so far I haven't heard any kind of rumors for additional contract so I guess they will go also independent way.
So, in overall, your argument was wrong. But in pratice, I would like to see more understanding from record companies about how much they can cash in from consumers. Because going around, threatining everyone with lawsuits and limiting access to their content doesn't help their business either.
Copyright owners don't want to give user rights to 'own' the song.
Listeners don't want to 'rent' song, they want to 'own' it.
I guess it will be all the time.
Hmmmm, no. I don't see any kind of reason why should PNG fail as JPEG replacement. Sure, hell, Microsoft will beat shit out of Forgent and everyone, including open source folks, will be happy, because JPEG was meant to be free format, so if someone like Microsoft is pushed to protect this, let it be then.
But I can share PNG files very easily and without big problems already now. File size is not such a big deal.
So it just needs a few apps to switch to this format - in the case of very bad news from Forgent - and believe me, no one will notice. Users don't care about formats - and I agree they shouldn't, they just need a stuff which works. PNG support is wide-spread, so using and spreading it shouldn't be a problem already now.
No, I don't agree with you.
Information and ideas are only worth any dime WHEN you are using into your products, services, etc. If you will be smart enough to create idea, you will be smart enought to get till the end. I, as a man with lot of very good ideas, can say, that idea by itself is NOTHING. Repeat after me, NOTHING. If I have very good melody and idea how to bring it to my fans and listeners, I just record it, sing it - and copyright law covers it. I don't care that someone listen it and get inspired too - I happy, because I have done something it was worth to do it.
And sorry, If you feel not enough compensated, well, then go, find another work. It is how intelectual market works - there will be always influences, even citation, ok, copycats should not be allowed, but other way...
I just see it all not as unjustice, but some people's greed, that's all.
I read TFA and combined with what you have said, I guess ZDNET pro-Microsoft FUD machine is again at works.
But it is just a guess.
Totally 'Microsoft PR', nothing more.
First of all, OS X and Mac OS had a superb search FOR ages which works VERY good. Windows search compare to that is a JOKE. Spotlight is just more branded and search more metadata and gives it in more user friendly form. But as search on my OS X stations I just click on input where i start to type file name which I look for and...whola! there it is.
And second - Longhorn is 3 YEARS still to go! It is like middle ages for history! For christ sakes, Microsoft must be desperate to push such PR stunt like this.
And yeah, as open source advocat, I have to say that Beagle will certanly rock the world too - because it is actively developed and pushed by Novel/Ximian guys. And of coarse, let's not forget king of the hill in search now - Google.
And if it is not paid article - however it looks like - then it is such "we just love Microsoft" style press which I simply can't stand anymore.
Actually you are moderated 'Funny', but If I had mod points now, I would mod you Insightful, because it is EXACTLY how Microsoft releases it's products.
Hmmmm, AFAIK OpenOffice Writer documents can contain Video, Adio and all other multimedia stuff.
Just wanted to point out for similar tactic used again Linux when comparing it with Windows.
First, it claims that yeah, Linux (Firefox) is good, open, etc. etc. and then comes contra attack - BUT what it claims isn't so. And begins - yeah, security reports are much more, there is no big (bad) company behind product, there are some unsuported thingies, etc.
I don't have time to write it in proper english, but all what I wanted to say that I getting tired from that Microsoft can't stand competition and use their PR machine to milk oposition. Healthy criticism is always welcome, but somehow I still have to see that. Usually such articles is targeted to those users who are in doubt - to prevent their migration.
It would work for some time, but in the end, Microsoft PR will end in big trouble.
Wow, thank you about pointing out this, Transport Tycoon Deluxe for a time was a my favorite game number one, I will sure check this out ;)
No, actually.
Yes, Faith sometimes is blind. Sometimes it's good - because it leads human being trough hard times.
It has very big possiblity to blind you, and yet, sometimes it can get you to your aim, while logic in such situations would lead you nowhere.
I actually respect your thoughts and what you have faith for - as long as you don't force your beliefs, as long as we can disscuss in peacful manier.
Faith DON'T kill (lie, cheat, disturb, manipulate, etc.).
People do.
Microsoft PR and Marketing dep. should be very desperate because all press raves about Apple products - iPod, MacMini and now THIS!? Of coarse, they should do something.
But this something, in the light of delayed release date (about which fact I hadn't doubt about even before Microsoft SWORE that it will be released in 2006), is actually pure example of BAD marketing, because Microsoft usually somehow be more 'cool' about itself. As someone poster pointed out - Microsoft is forced to compete. And as we see, they simply can't handle so much heat.
Hmmmm, those advertisers could ask me - why I have no need to block Google small and stylish text ads? Why I really like some of well thought ads?
Because they overload market with mostly bad made, blinking nonsense who actually does nothing but annoy their potential customers.
Gosh, they still don't get it...