The age of your account is probably close to 18 years old based on the user ID. In all this time you have yet to figure out that "thought police" isn't necessarily a reference to a legal entity, and that, the moderation system here is the way it is. It makes me wonder why you stick around participating in a system like this.
Generally speaking, I don't disagree with the overall theme of what you're trying to convey, but I do disagree with a couple parts of it. I'll address those below.
I don't think I agree with AmiMojo about Damore's motives, but nonetheless you might want to read that, and step away from the keyboard for a moment: you claim some (from what I can see) are pretty objective statements about Damore are "malicious" - presumably because they don't paint him in a good light, and then claim AmiMojo is the one "inserting feelings into an argument."
It's not unreasonable to call something flamebait, when the sole purpose is to "inflame". It's not unreasonable to call that a malicious act when you're doing that to malign someones character. It's all a carefully crafted narrative, perhaps not by AniMojo, but they are spreading it none the less. Let's be realistic here. Salon is a great example of an outlet that pushes social justice narratives through and through, and works to malign people they ideologically disagree with. It works well for Salon because people are driven by their emotions.
The links to tweets AniMojo posted previously to the Salon link are again, trying to somehow paint him as a bad person. There is next to no discussion around those ideas coming from AniMojo. It's more or less, "look at these ridiculous things he's saying!" Ok, why are they ridiculous? I have seen a lot of this on the Internet over the years and it's pretty easy to spot when someone wants actual discussion and when someone is pushing a narrative. This is narrative pushing, whether AniMojo realizes it or not. A more thoughtful post would have went into some discussion about this.
Damore didn't lose his job and become unpopular because he's autistic. And he probably didn't because he's the next Harvey Weinstein or Roger Ailes. No, I suspect he lost them because he's a typical computer nerd going through a contrarian phase.
He lost his job because someone in Google made it public. While it was contained in Google for a month or so, no one fired Damore for it. Google will 100% try to protect their image given the recent lawsuits over wage discrimination and the fact that they're very vocal about trying to have gender parity. It's hard to say for 100% certainty that he would have kept his job at Google if this never went public, but the fact that a month later it was still fine until the public leak, I'd be willing to make that bet that he would still have his job.
Flamebait means it is designed to provoke an emotional response, specifically offense and anger.
Yes, that sounds like someone might have some malicious intent in their actions through and through.
Calling something flamebait is literally saying it offends you.
That's not necessarily true. You can see things as a malicious act and not be offended by it. You don't need to deal in absolutes here.
The correct response is to post a rebuttal. A rebuttal to the actual argument, not an accusation of malice.
You aren't the thought police. You don't get to decide what is and isn't the correct response. It's frowned upon to moderate and comment (anonymously). It's always been that way. This is why you can't comment and post under your username in the same discussions. If you do, it undoes any moderation that you did. You get to choose one option. Some people chose to moderate the content of your posts. Deal with it.
If I say that you, personally, Kneo24, whoever the fuck you are in real life, are a fucking moron then that's not sexist. That's just a factual observation.
That's a subjective observation.
Not a single thing you wrote covers the fact that men and women are different, in part, due to biology. You're not even trying to refute it. No, instead, you would rather sort to name calling and telling me to fuck off precisely because you don't have an argument.
Calling something "flamebait" doesn't mean it's offensive. Calling it flamebait means you think it's something that's done with malicious intent. Here you go again, trying to insert feelings into an argument.
Consider that these "noisy" and not perfect environments are real case scenarios that the average person might try to use them for. These were given to a person to test out like the average person would. No one expects these type of people to review them in the optimal conditions.
It's entirely inflammatory and malicious because you're trying to paint him as an asshole. If we remove the "feelings" factor from the KKK portion, many geeks / nerds will find titles like "grand wizard" pretty cool. It's not hard to see that point. You're being the snowflake by over reacting to it and spinning a narrative to paint the guy in a negative light. Your post was modded correctly. Perhaps understanding nuance in a persons statements rather than kowtowing to a PC narrative would suit you better long term.
Are you saying that testosterone and estrogen don't give men and women different benefits? Men, on average, have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women. Woman, on average, have significantly higher levels of estrogen than men. These biological differences make them better and worse at different things. It's an objective fact.
All you've done is rephrase it so someone's PC narrative mind doesn't get hurt in the process, to which I say, who cares?
Checkmate? If less men are going into tech at these bigger companies that are slowly turning themselves into these soviet hellholes, they can reach their gender parity quota that they're always striving for. Companies like google, are a household name. People aren't just going to suddenly massively stop using their big products. There may be a decline, but it will be over a long period.
Well, perhaps more than white males should take IT courses. Women, by far and large, would rather work in other STEM fields over tech. Throwing in this not so subtle jab just detracts from everything else. It's incredibly racist and sexist.
Expect someone to figure out how to use this system to send a bunch of takedown notices of their material that they couldn't find before due to mis-labeling of the vids.
Except the first linked article mentions cash payouts. Why use the words, "cash payouts" if that's not what is going on? It even separates out cash payouts and tax incentives.
which would award Foxconn $3 billion over 15 years in mostly cash incentives.
This only holds true if they end up creating 13k jobs. Otherwise they get about 1.35 billion according to the Ars Technica article.. It's still a tough pill to swallow considering that job creation numbers from this deal are all over the place and it's quite difficult to see how much income tax revenue is generated from this. We also have to consider how much sales tax revenue will be generated from people having jobs, and how many other businesses in the area will be created from people having more money to spend.
It's all really speculative at this point and those large numbers seem damning due to the amount of unknowns. I don't disagree it looks bad.
It states the average salary will be 53k a year in the article. As long as the low end worker doesn't fall below 30k a year, they will get about 10 million in tax revenue from income tax alone.
With that said, it will take some time for that 10 million in revenue to compensate for the substantially large cash payments.
$2.85 billion in cash payments from taxpayers and tax breaks valued at about $150 million
How is a cash payment a deference of paying taxes? Is the wording in the article incorrect? It appears the deference you're talking about only looks like $150 million dollars.
I hope you realize communists have killed more people than Nazi's (fascists) have. You're looking at this situation in a bubble and ignoring greater history. Did you forget the 1950's where we waged an ideological war on communism? Now suddenly we're saying that the group of people who have historically done a lot worse are somehow better than the group who has done less evil because of your feelings.
How about we drop the virtue signaling because it's the popular thing of the day and realize that what a rational person would consider extreme sides of the political divide are complicit in terrible acts and there's certainly no false equivalence here.
I think it's more sinister than that. It's not about attacking Christians. It's not even about attacking white people. It's not even about attacking Nazi's.
It's about thought control. They are attempting to control what is and isn't moral and just. This generation will fight it, but will the next? How many of them will never think about these things through their formative years?
The easiest way to combat that isn't to ban it through any measure, ensure it hides away in the dark recesses that are hard to find. The easiest way is to leave it out in the open so it's easier to discuss the ideas and ridicule them when they're so blatantly bad.
Because let's face it, enough of their traffic is exactly that to keep driving narratives so things constantly hit the front page that probably wouldn't organically get there in the first place.
I'm just going to go ahead and call you an idiot for ignoring the obvious context. If you follow the context, you would see I'm mainly talking about protests and counter protests occurring in the same spot for political reasons with antifa being present, not people protesting with no counter protests.
It's not so much the counter protesting that is the issue. It's the violence that comes from counter protestors. This has been happening for well over a year now. Antifa has become increasingly violent, so now we see right wing protest groups arming themselves. It's a shame that it has come to this. If you want to protest, be armed.
You bring up a point I hadn't considered. My first comment was just merely trying to reason out the validity of the claim off of a first impression and create some discussion. Verizon, for example, now has matching download and upload speeds for FIOS. I'm still used to thinking that ISP's cap their upload speeds at a tenth, or in some cases half, of the download speeds.
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You asked if I understood the difference between opinion and a law.
The age of your account is probably close to 18 years old based on the user ID. In all this time you have yet to figure out that "thought police" isn't necessarily a reference to a legal entity, and that, the moderation system here is the way it is. It makes me wonder why you stick around participating in a system like this.
Generally speaking, I don't disagree with the overall theme of what you're trying to convey, but I do disagree with a couple parts of it. I'll address those below.
I don't think I agree with AmiMojo about Damore's motives, but nonetheless you might want to read that, and step away from the keyboard for a moment: you claim some (from what I can see) are pretty objective statements about Damore are "malicious" - presumably because they don't paint him in a good light, and then claim AmiMojo is the one "inserting feelings into an argument."
It's not unreasonable to call something flamebait, when the sole purpose is to "inflame". It's not unreasonable to call that a malicious act when you're doing that to malign someones character. It's all a carefully crafted narrative, perhaps not by AniMojo, but they are spreading it none the less. Let's be realistic here. Salon is a great example of an outlet that pushes social justice narratives through and through, and works to malign people they ideologically disagree with. It works well for Salon because people are driven by their emotions.
The links to tweets AniMojo posted previously to the Salon link are again, trying to somehow paint him as a bad person. There is next to no discussion around those ideas coming from AniMojo. It's more or less, "look at these ridiculous things he's saying!" Ok, why are they ridiculous? I have seen a lot of this on the Internet over the years and it's pretty easy to spot when someone wants actual discussion and when someone is pushing a narrative. This is narrative pushing, whether AniMojo realizes it or not. A more thoughtful post would have went into some discussion about this.
Damore didn't lose his job and become unpopular because he's autistic. And he probably didn't because he's the next Harvey Weinstein or Roger Ailes. No, I suspect he lost them because he's a typical computer nerd going through a contrarian phase.
He lost his job because someone in Google made it public. While it was contained in Google for a month or so, no one fired Damore for it. Google will 100% try to protect their image given the recent lawsuits over wage discrimination and the fact that they're very vocal about trying to have gender parity. It's hard to say for 100% certainty that he would have kept his job at Google if this never went public, but the fact that a month later it was still fine until the public leak, I'd be willing to make that bet that he would still have his job.
Flamebait means it is designed to provoke an emotional response, specifically offense and anger.
Yes, that sounds like someone might have some malicious intent in their actions through and through.
Calling something flamebait is literally saying it offends you.
That's not necessarily true. You can see things as a malicious act and not be offended by it. You don't need to deal in absolutes here.
The correct response is to post a rebuttal. A rebuttal to the actual argument, not an accusation of malice.
You aren't the thought police. You don't get to decide what is and isn't the correct response. It's frowned upon to moderate and comment (anonymously). It's always been that way. This is why you can't comment and post under your username in the same discussions. If you do, it undoes any moderation that you did. You get to choose one option. Some people chose to moderate the content of your posts. Deal with it.
If I say that you, personally, Kneo24, whoever the fuck you are in real life, are a fucking moron then that's not sexist. That's just a factual observation.
That's a subjective observation.
Not a single thing you wrote covers the fact that men and women are different, in part, due to biology. You're not even trying to refute it. No, instead, you would rather sort to name calling and telling me to fuck off precisely because you don't have an argument.
Calling something "flamebait" doesn't mean it's offensive. Calling it flamebait means you think it's something that's done with malicious intent. Here you go again, trying to insert feelings into an argument.
Consider that these "noisy" and not perfect environments are real case scenarios that the average person might try to use them for. These were given to a person to test out like the average person would. No one expects these type of people to review them in the optimal conditions.
It's entirely inflammatory and malicious because you're trying to paint him as an asshole. If we remove the "feelings" factor from the KKK portion, many geeks / nerds will find titles like "grand wizard" pretty cool. It's not hard to see that point. You're being the snowflake by over reacting to it and spinning a narrative to paint the guy in a negative light. Your post was modded correctly. Perhaps understanding nuance in a persons statements rather than kowtowing to a PC narrative would suit you better long term.
Are you saying that testosterone and estrogen don't give men and women different benefits? Men, on average, have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women. Woman, on average, have significantly higher levels of estrogen than men. These biological differences make them better and worse at different things. It's an objective fact.
All you've done is rephrase it so someone's PC narrative mind doesn't get hurt in the process, to which I say, who cares?
Checkmate? If less men are going into tech at these bigger companies that are slowly turning themselves into these soviet hellholes, they can reach their gender parity quota that they're always striving for. Companies like google, are a household name. People aren't just going to suddenly massively stop using their big products. There may be a decline, but it will be over a long period.
Well, perhaps more than white males should take IT courses. Women, by far and large, would rather work in other STEM fields over tech. Throwing in this not so subtle jab just detracts from everything else. It's incredibly racist and sexist.
Expect someone to figure out how to use this system to send a bunch of takedown notices of their material that they couldn't find before due to mis-labeling of the vids.
I stand corrected. It took me a bit of digging, but the cash payout thing is entirely false, apparently. It's all tax incentives in one form or another..
Except the first linked article mentions cash payouts. Why use the words, "cash payouts" if that's not what is going on? It even separates out cash payouts and tax incentives.
I went to the Reuters version for more clarity.
which would award Foxconn $3 billion over 15 years in mostly cash incentives.
This only holds true if they end up creating 13k jobs. Otherwise they get about 1.35 billion according to the Ars Technica article.. It's still a tough pill to swallow considering that job creation numbers from this deal are all over the place and it's quite difficult to see how much income tax revenue is generated from this. We also have to consider how much sales tax revenue will be generated from people having jobs, and how many other businesses in the area will be created from people having more money to spend.
It's all really speculative at this point and those large numbers seem damning due to the amount of unknowns. I don't disagree it looks bad.
It states the average salary will be 53k a year in the article. As long as the low end worker doesn't fall below 30k a year, they will get about 10 million in tax revenue from income tax alone. With that said, it will take some time for that 10 million in revenue to compensate for the substantially large cash payments.
From the article:
$2.85 billion in cash payments from taxpayers and tax breaks valued at about $150 million
How is a cash payment a deference of paying taxes? Is the wording in the article incorrect? It appears the deference you're talking about only looks like $150 million dollars.
I hope you realize communists have killed more people than Nazi's (fascists) have. You're looking at this situation in a bubble and ignoring greater history. Did you forget the 1950's where we waged an ideological war on communism? Now suddenly we're saying that the group of people who have historically done a lot worse are somehow better than the group who has done less evil because of your feelings.
How about we drop the virtue signaling because it's the popular thing of the day and realize that what a rational person would consider extreme sides of the political divide are complicit in terrible acts and there's certainly no false equivalence here.
It's about thought control. They are attempting to control what is and isn't moral and just. This generation will fight it, but will the next? How many of them will never think about these things through their formative years?
Why are you so rude to black people?
The easiest way to combat that isn't to ban it through any measure, ensure it hides away in the dark recesses that are hard to find. The easiest way is to leave it out in the open so it's easier to discuss the ideas and ridicule them when they're so blatantly bad.
Because let's face it, enough of their traffic is exactly that to keep driving narratives so things constantly hit the front page that probably wouldn't organically get there in the first place.
I'm just going to go ahead and call you an idiot for ignoring the obvious context. If you follow the context, you would see I'm mainly talking about protests and counter protests occurring in the same spot for political reasons with antifa being present, not people protesting with no counter protests.
It's not so much the counter protesting that is the issue. It's the violence that comes from counter protestors. This has been happening for well over a year now. Antifa has become increasingly violent, so now we see right wing protest groups arming themselves. It's a shame that it has come to this. If you want to protest, be armed.
You bring up a point I hadn't considered. My first comment was just merely trying to reason out the validity of the claim off of a first impression and create some discussion. Verizon, for example, now has matching download and upload speeds for FIOS. I'm still used to thinking that ISP's cap their upload speeds at a tenth, or in some cases half, of the download speeds.