The problem is in the execution. MS should have been forced to offer ONLY XP N. Strangely, that would give the consumer a choice. Why? Because when they get home, they'd have to go and download a media player. So, google: "play mp3 on windows" and find WinAMP.
This is against WTO rules. That's why EU didn't do it.
You don't support a 'government crutch' for Real Player, but you do support a 'Microsoft crutch' (bundling) for Windows Media Player.
Of course, there is no 'government crutch' for Real Player. No government is forcing Real Player on anyone. What the EU is doing is stopping Microsoft forcing Media Player on people.
I don't seem to remember that Microsoft is forcing their Windows users to use WMP. Any evidence backing your theory?
Bundling means that there has to be a lot unlikeable about the MS player to overcome the
average user's tendency to leave things as they are on their PC. The dominance of one player lessens the openness and freedom the Internet.
If what you have said is true, then after all WMP is a high-quality piece of software. Bundling WMP in WIndows doesn't decrease openess/freedom of the Internet after all. It is not that when WMP is installed, you are prevented to download other alternative software such as foobar or Winamp.
Any proof you can give me that bundling WMP will cause people not to have freedom to download other media players?
With bundling, people often aren't even aware of the alternatives.
If the alternatives is good enough compared to WMP, people will download it via word-of-mouth, friends recommendations etc.
Windows has IE, but Firefox is chunking its market share recently (no need EU for help). Windows (used to) have Microsoft Chat, but mIRC makers doesn't seem to be worried. Windows has Outlook Express, but usage of Thunderbird/Eudora/etc is growing and their developers are not complaining about the bundling.
Real Player Gold lost out to WMP not because of the bundling, but simply that software sucks big time.
If I go to the download page at browser.netscape.com, all it gives me is a download stub about 300kb large. Where can I find the full version that is installable without an internet connection?
For example, D-Link makes a 802.11g PCMCIA/USB wireless stick for wireless network, and then they releases complete documentation so that open-source developers can develop drivers for it. The good side is that open-source OSes can use the wireless stick with no problems.
The bad side is, developers with bad intentions can write their own drivers that will turn the wireless stick into a murder weapon. For example, a university student was reprimanded by his professor for not submitting his homework (or something like that). The angry student knows that the professor uses a pacemaker to continue living on this planet. Armed with that knowledge, the student grabbed the open-source driver for the D-Link, modified it to make the stick emits way more radio waves than it should be. After that he goes outside the professor's room, pull out a Linux-equipped laptop from his bag, stick the wireless stick into its slot, and press the Enter button. Voila! A Dead professor! Sherlock Holmes will never be able to solve the crime himself.
Now imagine if Al-Qaeda uses the same technique on a flying airplane....
Most users WANTS to use UTFG. Experienced users are in the minority. emerge foo doesn't work without internet connection, while setup.exe mostly does without one.
Bull. You're just trolling, and I think you know it.
I think you ar the one who are trolling (what do you expect from an AC).
Oh, pish posh. I run two different distros (Debian at work and Mandrake at home). Both have start-menu-based software installation programs that make downloading and installing software nearly trivial. I don't think MS Windows could possibly make it easier, but in any case you have left out the "go to the store and fork over $29.95" portion of software installation (not to mention the spam-the-desktop or anti-user "security" parts you still see in MS Windows). Linux is a joy to work with.
Now, tell me how to install Red Hat RPM software in a Debian? And how about if you don't have an internet connection? The problem with most Linux distro is it too dependent on internet connection to get lastest software. Care to try apt-get foo in a computewr with no internet?
Oh, come on! I've always done this by hand (and, yes, I do RTFM), but I tried my start menu. I clicked on "System Tools" then "Users and Groups" and ended up with a simple "Add User" button staring me in the face. Of course, I had a user set up automatically when I installed, but that shouldn't stop a good slander, should it?
User permission in Linux is not much harder than Windows though, I agree with you.
Whatever. If people want to use Linux, it's there, and it's really easy. No real RTFM-ing required anymore. Anyone who can't figure out how to do simple things in Linux probably has no real business administering a machine connected to the internet, especially an MS Windows box. But I guess that's the "easy" way...
Nope, you still need lotsa of RTFM just to make Linux working. Or can I now change VGA display drivers without touching the keyboard now? Last time I check need to kill X-Server or something.
Tabbed browsing? - The first browser that has tabbed browsing is Internet Explorer with its Netcaptor 'extension' (for those who speak Firefox language). Opera then copied it, then Mozilla/Firefox follows suit.
Pop-up blocker? - Internet Explorer already has this one via many 'extensions' such as Webwasher, Pop-up Stopper etc, since the later 90s.
Ad-blocker? - Same as above.
IMHO, Microsoft isn't stealing from Firefox in any way.
None of the current Linux distro (tested with Debian stable latest, Fedora Core 3, Mandrake 10, SuSe 9) out there can detect my RAID controller, thus Windows XP is the only way to go.
I would say that Linux will create a lot of extra work for average user than Windows XP.
Many of my friends (average joe computer users) that uses Windows XP with SP2 rarely reinstall Windows on regular basis, and when they do, all important data are back-up safely in opticval media or another HDD. And some times, I have to help friends who tried Linux finding drivers in vain, just because drivers for 2.4 kernel can't be used with 2.6 kernel without serious hacking needed. Linux is so hard to use (if they install after all) that they would rather use closed format files that actually works without too much hair-pulling.
Conclusion: Just because you have good experience with Linux, doesn't mean everyone will.
You doesn't have to run Spybot or Spyware Blaster, just like when you doesn't need to run Acrobat Reader when you view PDF files within IE. Just set those software up and you will be OK. Only Proxomitron need to be started up.
You never heard of BHO? Browser Helper Objects?
BTW, BHO is not necessarily evil.
I bet you never see SpywareBlaster, for example, on action huh? It's fire, configure, close and forget, doesn't take any resources at all.
Nope, explorer.exe (at least in Windows XP) does not load mshtml.dll whatsoever. Did not believe me? Try using programs like Process Viewer at http://www.teamcti.com/pview/ and you can see explorer.exe did not load mshtml.dll (which is Microsoft HTML rendering engine) at startup. Internet Explorer and Outlook Express (among others) does, if any HTML websites/e-mails needed to be displayed.
The common perception of Internet Explorer being loaded at startup is just a FUD.
iTunes for Windows is more bloated than even Windows Media Player 10. No way I will touch that player again. I'll manage my iPod playlist in Winamp thank you.
2 media players that should be avoided at all cost:-
As per subject. A default installation of Firefox only have basic tabbed browsing and pop-up blocker (and a crappy theme). It wasn't that better than IE6 SP2 which has a pop-up blocker and no tabbed browsing. I always wondered why on earth so many people are impressed with Firefox when both are alomst just the same.
Firefox should has these features built-in (and no 'download these extensions' crap) so that it can distinguish itself apart from IE:-
1. Save tab session. 2. Mouse gestures. 3. Extender menu for the tab toolbar. 4. Ability to change themes (skins) WITHOUT RESTARTING.
Force people to understand the true costs of using MS software, both upfront (end piracy), and TCO (patching, clearing viruses/worms, spyware crap, other generalized Windows issues), and the costs of using Linux don't seem to bad (have to be picky with hardware, much smaller software base (counterweighed by tons of free software), training needed to become familiar with the layout of your particular distro).
It's not that hard to prevents spyware/viruses/worm in the first place. Learning to deal with those issues is easier than learning how to use Linux from the scratch.
I bought a PC from Acer, which is preinstalled with Linux. They are very cheap indeed (US300.00)and comes with Celeron 2Ghz and 512MB of RAM. The first thing I do is to wipe out the HDD and install Windows "PIRATED" version. And I know a few friends and relatives who does the same too.
Who says you need a Passport (or Net account) to activate? All you do is press the Next several times, and you are done. Filling personal information is optional. I doesn't even bother to do it as long as I can use my copy of Office. Have you actually do the activation process for Office 2004?
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The problem is in the execution. MS should have been forced to offer ONLY XP N. Strangely, that would give the consumer a choice. Why? Because when they get home, they'd have to go and download a media player. So, google: "play mp3 on windows" and find WinAMP.
This is against WTO rules. That's why EU didn't do it.You don't support a 'government crutch' for Real Player, but you do support a 'Microsoft crutch' (bundling) for Windows Media Player. Of course, there is no 'government crutch' for Real Player. No government is forcing Real Player on anyone. What the EU is doing is stopping Microsoft forcing Media Player on people. I don't seem to remember that Microsoft is forcing their Windows users to use WMP. Any evidence backing your theory? Bundling means that there has to be a lot unlikeable about the MS player to overcome the average user's tendency to leave things as they are on their PC. The dominance of one player lessens the openness and freedom the Internet. If what you have said is true, then after all WMP is a high-quality piece of software. Bundling WMP in WIndows doesn't decrease openess/freedom of the Internet after all. It is not that when WMP is installed, you are prevented to download other alternative software such as foobar or Winamp. Any proof you can give me that bundling WMP will cause people not to have freedom to download other media players? With bundling, people often aren't even aware of the alternatives. If the alternatives is good enough compared to WMP, people will download it via word-of-mouth, friends recommendations etc. Windows has IE, but Firefox is chunking its market share recently (no need EU for help). Windows (used to) have Microsoft Chat, but mIRC makers doesn't seem to be worried. Windows has Outlook Express, but usage of Thunderbird/Eudora/etc is growing and their developers are not complaining about the bundling. Real Player Gold lost out to WMP not because of the bundling, but simply that software sucks big time.
If I go to the download page at browser.netscape.com, all it gives me is a download stub about 300kb large. Where can I find the full version that is installable without an internet connection?
You did realize that the parent poster already stated that Zenworks for Linux SUCKS compared to the Windows implementation, right?
Not a good idea, security reasons is the example.
For example, D-Link makes a 802.11g PCMCIA/USB wireless stick for wireless network, and then they releases complete documentation so that open-source developers can develop drivers for it. The good side is that open-source OSes can use the wireless stick with no problems.
The bad side is, developers with bad intentions can write their own drivers that will turn the wireless stick into a murder weapon. For example, a university student was reprimanded by his professor for not submitting his homework (or something like that). The angry student knows that the professor uses a pacemaker to continue living on this planet. Armed with that knowledge, the student grabbed the open-source driver for the D-Link, modified it to make the stick emits way more radio waves than it should be. After that he goes outside the professor's room, pull out a Linux-equipped laptop from his bag, stick the wireless stick into its slot, and press the Enter button. Voila! A Dead professor! Sherlock Holmes will never be able to solve the crime himself.
Now imagine if Al-Qaeda uses the same technique on a flying airplane....
Most users WANTS to use UTFG. Experienced users are in the minority. emerge foo doesn't work without internet connection, while setup.exe mostly does without one.
Linux is still user-hostile overall.
Bull. You're just trolling, and I think you know it.
I think you ar the one who are trolling (what do you expect from an AC).
Oh, pish posh. I run two different distros (Debian at work and Mandrake at home). Both have start-menu-based software installation programs that make downloading and installing software nearly trivial. I don't think MS Windows could possibly make it easier, but in any case you have left out the "go to the store and fork over $29.95" portion of software installation (not to mention the spam-the-desktop or anti-user "security" parts you still see in MS Windows). Linux is a joy to work with.
Now, tell me how to install Red Hat RPM software in a Debian? And how about if you don't have an internet connection?
The problem with most Linux distro is it too dependent on internet connection to get lastest software. Care to try apt-get foo in a computewr with no internet?
Oh, come on! I've always done this by hand (and, yes, I do RTFM), but I tried my start menu. I clicked on "System Tools" then "Users and Groups" and ended up with a simple "Add User" button staring me in the face. Of course, I had a user set up automatically when I installed, but that shouldn't stop a good slander, should it?
User permission in Linux is not much harder than Windows though, I agree with you.
Whatever. If people want to use Linux, it's there, and it's really easy. No real RTFM-ing required anymore. Anyone who can't figure out how to do simple things in Linux probably has no real business administering a machine connected to the internet, especially an MS Windows box. But I guess that's the "easy" way...
Nope, you still need lotsa of RTFM just to make Linux working. Or can I now change VGA display drivers without touching the keyboard now? Last time I check need to kill X-Server or something.
Nope, Windows is easier to use than Linux (at least with deafult install of Debian stable and Fedore Core 3 that I tested).
What kind of innovation Frefox has created?
Tabbed browsing? - The first browser that has tabbed browsing is Internet Explorer with its Netcaptor 'extension' (for those who speak Firefox language). Opera then copied it, then Mozilla/Firefox follows suit.
Pop-up blocker? - Internet Explorer already has this one via many 'extensions' such as Webwasher, Pop-up Stopper etc, since the later 90s.
Ad-blocker? - Same as above.
IMHO, Microsoft isn't stealing from Firefox in any way.
Is that your example? Now let me give mine.
None of the current Linux distro (tested with Debian stable latest, Fedora Core 3, Mandrake 10, SuSe 9) out there can detect my RAID controller, thus Windows XP is the only way to go.
I would say that Linux will create a lot of extra work for average user than Windows XP.
Many of my friends (average joe computer users) that uses Windows XP with SP2 rarely reinstall Windows on regular basis, and when they do, all important data are back-up safely in opticval media or another HDD. And some times, I have to help friends who tried Linux finding drivers in vain, just because drivers for 2.4 kernel can't be used with 2.6 kernel without serious hacking needed. Linux is so hard to use (if they install after all) that they would rather use closed format files that actually works without too much hair-pulling.
Conclusion: Just because you have good experience with Linux, doesn't mean everyone will.
Maybe MS should just use the Seagate/Hitachi mini HDD, like the ones featured in Apple iPod.
....both Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird is dead! The BEST groupware client ever made is now heading to Windows.
As long as Windows Update needs IE to run, IE will stay around for a very long time.
You doesn't have to run Spybot or Spyware Blaster, just like when you doesn't need to run Acrobat Reader when you view PDF files within IE. Just set those software up and you will be OK. Only Proxomitron need to be started up.
You never heard of BHO? Browser Helper Objects?
BTW, BHO is not necessarily evil.
I bet you never see SpywareBlaster, for example, on action huh? It's fire, configure, close and forget, doesn't take any resources at all.
My recipe for spyware-free computer with IE.
IE + Spybot Search and Destroy BHO + SpywareBlaster + Proxomitron = spyware-free computer.
Doesn't even have to switch to Firefox. And all websites works fine with this config.
Are you talking about mshtml.dll?
Nope, explorer.exe (at least in Windows XP) does not load mshtml.dll whatsoever. Did not believe me? Try using programs like Process Viewer at http://www.teamcti.com/pview/ and you can see explorer.exe did not load mshtml.dll (which is Microsoft HTML rendering engine) at startup. Internet Explorer and Outlook Express (among others) does, if any HTML websites/e-mails needed to be displayed.
The common perception of Internet Explorer being loaded at startup is just a FUD.
Oh... I didn't see iexplore.exe loaded during my computer start-up. How about your computer? Must be horribly configured.
I have played it. I think it was for children.
iTunes for Windows is more bloated than even Windows Media Player 10. No way I will touch that player again. I'll manage my iPod playlist in Winamp thank you.
2 media players that should be avoided at all cost:-
1. iTunes for Windows.
2. RealPlayer 10.
ActiveX is very useful, provided you know how to configure the browser. Just look at the ActiveX-enabled Gmail.
As per subject. A default installation of Firefox only have basic tabbed browsing and pop-up blocker (and a crappy theme). It wasn't that better than IE6 SP2 which has a pop-up blocker and no tabbed browsing. I always wondered why on earth so many people are impressed with Firefox when both are alomst just the same.
Firefox should has these features built-in (and no 'download these extensions' crap) so that it can distinguish itself apart from IE:-
1. Save tab session.
2. Mouse gestures.
3. Extender menu for the tab toolbar.
4. Ability to change themes (skins) WITHOUT RESTARTING.
Force people to understand the true costs of using MS software, both upfront (end piracy), and TCO (patching, clearing viruses/worms, spyware crap, other generalized Windows issues), and the costs of using Linux don't seem to bad (have to be picky with hardware, much smaller software base (counterweighed by tons of free software), training needed to become familiar with the layout of your particular distro).
It's not that hard to prevents spyware/viruses/worm in the first place. Learning to deal with those issues is easier than learning how to use Linux from the scratch.
I bought a PC from Acer, which is preinstalled with Linux. They are very cheap indeed (US300.00)and comes with Celeron 2Ghz and 512MB of RAM. The first thing I do is to wipe out the HDD and install Windows "PIRATED" version. And I know a few friends and relatives who does the same too.
Why need 4 when Internet Explorer will do just fine?
Who says you need a Passport (or Net account) to activate? All you do is press the Next several times, and you are done. Filling personal information is optional. I doesn't even bother to do it as long as I can use my copy of Office. Have you actually do the activation process for Office 2004?