"But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "
"Umm, it's called a joke. I'm sure it's a tough concept when you first encounter it, but it's well worth the effort. Anyway, his "definition" was the following:"
Wow, you're obviously a pretty whitty guy. Do you usually take out your pocket protector before your standup routine? Forgive me, but sarcasm doesn't translate too well in its written form.
The actual quote, which you truncated, was:
"They are a natural human reaction to perceived attacks on X, where X is..."
Seems painfully obvious to me that X was an variable, for which you could substitute any project.
It could set a good example for other BIOS developers if Phoenix retracts their decision and removes CSS from their BIOS. Please send them an email and let them know of your opinion. Whether or not you use, or would use Phoenix products, lets let other manufacturers know we won't stand for this type of activity.
To: americas_sales@phoenix.com Subject: Phoenix CSS BIOS
Just wanted to let you know ahead of time, that I won't be purchasing any product that includes your CSS BIOS, and I will go out of my way to avoid it. I will also make sure that any product recommendations that I make to my current employer will not include your BIOS. Just thought I'd let you know of my opinion, as a consumer, and someone who's owned motherboards with Phoenix BIOS in the past. I hope you reverse your decision, until then, I'll shop elsewhere.
Thanks for your time, and consideration on this matter.
Microsoft's philosophy on "security through obscurity" is all but irrelevent. Its the administrators who'll be implementing the technology we need to be concerned with.
Depends on whether or not anyone is actually presented with this petition I suppose.
I'm sure if you said, look, we got 34,000 people to sign this, imagine how many more feel the same way, I'm sure they'd take it into serious consideration.
The question is who is this mythical third party called "they" ?
Again, poor analogy. We have to look at the definition of the term "sports car"
The definition I found at dictionary.com was: "sports car n. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds."
Your ford expidition doesn't fall into that definition.
All these responses further illustrate my point. That Apple's claims are *FAR* to broad.
Now lets craft some real time rendering benchmarks running Alias|Wavefront's Maya 5.0 Unlimited vs. *giggle* the G5.
Still want to claim its the fastest personal computer in the world?
So because no Quad Xeons are MARKETED as a personal computer, they aren't? How the product is marketed is IRRELEVENT. Its how its utilized. I had a Dual 2.8ghz Xeon 1U (actually 3 of them) sitting at my desk for two months as a workstation before it went into production... THUS MAKING IT A PERSONAL COMPUTER!
If apple would have specified any of these constraints, we wouldn't be having this argument right now.
I *really* don't care what you think is fair. Look up the definition of personal computer, and tell me with a straight face that Apple's claims aren't WAAAY to broad.
512MB of ram? 160MB freaking hard drive? Jesus dude, I'm talking about a machine your grandmother would check her email on. The last one I built actually does have 512MB of ram, but a 20GB ATA133 drive and a GeForce4 MX video card. And yes, it did come in right under $500, like it or not.
If you don't think I could build a machine that will outperform a G5 for the same price, in almost every application, you live in a fantasy world.
Sorry, next time I'll make sure and specify that when I say static, I'm speaking strickly of permenant, static, manually updated content vs. dynamically generated static pages ALONG WITH purely dynamic, data driven sites. I've always had a habbit of assuming too much:)
I think we can both agree that your complaints aren't specifically with flash, but rather specific implementations thereof.
I whole heartedly disagree about voice-over presentations. On my sub $500 PC (barton 2800, 1gb ram, geforce4mx video) it performs flawlessly, and is comparable to sitting at a live software presentation.
To call it a "gimmick" or "toy" is just silly. Thats like saying sitting through the last onsite software demo was just a gimmick. The best way to reach someone is through several forms: audio, video, and the written word covers all the different "thinking types" and re-enforces learning.
Screen readers? Not inately, easily created however. Especially considering the great audio compression (think mp3). Ever seen a flash demo for a new product or service with voice over? I can post links to a couple thousand if you're interested. OS doesn't support it? Too hard to setup? No problem, as long as you've got the flash plugin.
Text resizing? Sure, its vector based. Resize till your hearts content.
You guys just keep bashing stuff you don't truly understand all you want. You aren't the target market, and represent less than 1% of the viewers of any website I've ever worked on, same can be said for most web developers.
If you think most web sites are built on a linux desktop, you're dillusional. As much as I hope and pray that will be the truth one day, the sad fact is, that its TOTALLY INCORRECT.
*PLEASE* backup that statement with ONE SHRED of evidence.
Until then, I'll continue doing web development (design/application development/and yes, oh god no! flash!) on a windows machine, and all the real programming on a redhat box.
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Which means that if they do this, or begin doing this, you can capture the actual name of the spammer based on the first email sent through the relay.
So, either you catch them, or you stop them from sending millions of unsolicited emails.
Seems like a win/win, no?
Gore Invented the Internet
"But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "
I thought a joke involved humor? Actually I'm in the UK by the way.
"Umm, it's called a joke. I'm sure it's a tough concept when you first encounter it, but it's well worth the effort. Anyway, his "definition" was the following:"
Wow, you're obviously a pretty whitty guy. Do you usually take out your pocket protector before your standup routine? Forgive me, but sarcasm doesn't translate too well in its written form.
The actual quote, which you truncated, was:
"They are a natural human reaction to perceived attacks on X, where X is..."
Seems painfully obvious to me that X was an variable, for which you could substitute any project.
He meant X as a variable, not as in the X windows system. Thats why he defined X.
It could set a good example for other BIOS developers if Phoenix retracts their decision and removes CSS from their BIOS. Please send them an email and let them know of your opinion. Whether or not you use, or would use Phoenix products, lets let other manufacturers know we won't stand for this type of activity.
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http://www.phoenix.com/en/about+phoenix/contact
To: americas_sales@phoenix.com
Subject: Phoenix CSS BIOS
Just wanted to let you know ahead of time, that I won't be purchasing any product that includes your CSS BIOS, and I will go out of my way to avoid it. I will also make sure that any product recommendations that I make to my current employer will not include your BIOS. Just thought I'd let you know of my opinion, as a consumer, and someone who's owned motherboards with Phoenix BIOS in the past. I hope you reverse your decision, until then, I'll shop elsewhere.
Thanks for your time, and consideration on this matter.
Jon
I think this will be a(nother) great year for linux. Long live Open Source Software :)
Microsoft's philosophy on "security through obscurity" is all but irrelevent. Its the administrators who'll be implementing the technology we need to be concerned with.
This has been a long time coming, I hope we're actually able to enforce it. Although, its going to be tough with all the world wide spam.
Is this really just fluff to impress voters? Or do you think it will actually carry any weight?
Depends on whether or not anyone is actually presented with this petition I suppose.
I'm sure if you said, look, we got 34,000 people to sign this, imagine how many more feel the same way, I'm sure they'd take it into serious consideration.
The question is who is this mythical third party called "they" ?
Do you have any proof whatsoever to back up that claim? Because I'd *LOVE* to hear it.
Again, poor analogy. We have to look at the definition of the term "sports car"
The definition I found at dictionary.com was:
"sports car
n.
An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds."
Your ford expidition doesn't fall into that definition.
All these responses further illustrate my point. That Apple's claims are *FAR* to broad.
And obviously the G5 wouldn't fall in that definition either, being a dual cpu machine.
But the definition doesn't say it can *only* have one microprocessor, simply that its a machine built around a single microprocessor.
Please refer to the following URL:
... THUS MAKING IT A PERSONAL COMPUTER!
http://www.sgi.com/workstations/tezro/
Now lets craft some real time rendering benchmarks running Alias|Wavefront's Maya 5.0 Unlimited vs. *giggle* the G5.
Still want to claim its the fastest personal computer in the world?
So because no Quad Xeons are MARKETED as a personal computer, they aren't? How the product is marketed is IRRELEVENT. Its how its utilized. I had a Dual 2.8ghz Xeon 1U (actually 3 of them) sitting at my desk for two months as a workstation before it went into production
If apple would have specified any of these constraints, we wouldn't be having this argument right now.
Then thats how Apple needs to phrase their claim.
:)
"Fastest personal computer, warrantied from a top tier vendor like dell."
Just doesn't have the same ring, does it?
I *really* don't care what you think is fair. Look up the definition of personal computer, and tell me with a straight face that Apple's claims aren't WAAAY to broad.
512MB of ram? 160MB freaking hard drive? Jesus dude, I'm talking about a machine your grandmother would check her email on. The last one I built actually does have 512MB of ram, but a 20GB ATA133 drive and a GeForce4 MX video card. And yes, it did come in right under $500, like it or not.
If you don't think I could build a machine that will outperform a G5 for the same price, in almost every application, you live in a fantasy world.
1. I don't believe they ever make a direct claim that linux is, in fact, an 8 year old boy.
:)
2. Microsoft never says YOU WILL SAVE $0.05/transaction. Simple showed a commercial where one company did. Results may vary
I see your point, you just chose very poor analogies.
I could easily build a quad xeon monster and sit it on my desk, effectively making it a personal computer.
personal computer [n. Abbr. PC ]
"A computer built around a microprocessor for use by an individual, as in an office or at home or school."
There claim was simply too broad. They also claimed it to be the first 64bit computer (maybe for personal use? who cares, they're still wrong).
I was pretty shocked they made the claim myself. Seemed a little over the top to me.
DISCLAIMER: I would *love* to own a new G5. For now I'll stick to building ~3ghz PC's for under $500.
Sorry, next time I'll make sure and specify that when I say static, I'm speaking strickly of permenant, static, manually updated content vs. dynamically generated static pages ALONG WITH purely dynamic, data driven sites. I've always had a habbit of assuming too much :)
I agree with you 100%, should have been clearer.
-1 for captain obvious, here.
Static web pages also went out with beta video cassettes.
I think we can both agree that your complaints aren't specifically with flash, but rather specific implementations thereof.
I whole heartedly disagree about voice-over presentations. On my sub $500 PC (barton 2800, 1gb ram, geforce4mx video) it performs flawlessly, and is comparable to sitting at a live software presentation.
To call it a "gimmick" or "toy" is just silly. Thats like saying sitting through the last onsite software demo was just a gimmick. The best way to reach someone is through several forms: audio, video, and the written word covers all the different "thinking types" and re-enforces learning.
Check out "links" (links.sourceforge.com). Same as Lynx, but supports tables, frames, and GPM. Very sweet :)
Screen readers? Not inately, easily created however. Especially considering the great audio compression (think mp3). Ever seen a flash demo for a new product or service with voice over? I can post links to a couple thousand if you're interested. OS doesn't support it? Too hard to setup? No problem, as long as you've got the flash plugin.
Text resizing? Sure, its vector based. Resize till your hearts content.
You guys just keep bashing stuff you don't truly understand all you want. You aren't the target market, and represent less than 1% of the viewers of any website I've ever worked on, same can be said for most web developers.
-1 Flaim bait.
Are you kidding me? Seriously? You realize theres a little grey area in between HTML and C right? Its not *completely* black or white.
If you think most web sites are built on a linux desktop, you're dillusional. As much as I hope and pray that will be the truth one day, the sad fact is, that its TOTALLY INCORRECT.
*PLEASE* backup that statement with ONE SHRED of evidence.
Until then, I'll continue doing web development (design/application development/and yes, oh god no! flash!) on a windows machine, and all the real programming on a redhat box.