Famaliar with the term "spin" ? Lemme paint a picture for you...
"The open source software community has no real control over the source to their software. Just look at this! *points at slashdot article*
Who knows how many backdoors actually made their way in! Your children are not safe!
*starts chant*
Buy Windows. Buy Windows. Buy Win..."
You get the idea anyway.
1. User gets email. 2. User clicks email to view it. 3. User is infected with virus.
Explain to me how its the users fault again? Maybe they should have been running some 3rd party antivirus software?
Oh wait, if VBS scripts didn't have the inherent ability to automatically launch scripts, it would be a non-issue.
Ok, that came off a little more condescending than I thought but the point stands: How in the *world* is that the users fault? Should they just not read email?
Several - but NDIS changes are the first that come to mind.
Honestly its not as big of a deal as some people make it out today. They usually maintain backwards compatability, albeit at a small cost in performance.
Exactly. There's nothing you can do about stopping someone from emailing a virus. You can stop it at an email gateway of course, but nothings 100%. I accept that.
What I don't accept is virus that are automatically executed simply by viewing an email in the preview pane. As soon as you click on it, you're infected.
We've mostly got visual basic scripting to thank for that.
Maybe you need to review your spam filtering policies.
Our gateway (linux + spam assassin + RBL's) stops tens of thousands of emails a month. In the last 6 months I got one piece of spam... and it was tagged "SPAM: " in the subject line.
Its not moot to the thousands of people who couldn't get back online.
We agree and disagree at the same time. For you to say "they'll just call their tech friend" is a little absurd, or spending an hour on the phone with microsoft to fix THEIR probleme. Are they going to reimburse me for that time?
I do agree that people need more training before using a computer. I believe using a public system, like the internet, should require licensing. Just look at these poor families who's children were using Kazaa, and will now be sued into a homeless shelter, its sad.
Lets face it, Microsoft made billions by putting idiots on the internet.
Yes, but how was the (below?) average window user to know how to fix this problem?
Well, I guess they could just go to www.micro...oh wait.. THEY HAD NO INTERNET ACCESS!
You think my grandmother said: "hmm, i just installed the latest M$ hotfix, and now I can't connect....maybe I need to rollback, lets see, start, control panel... "
No, thats not what they mean. The devil's in the details ya know?
*FAT* client/server, whats also referred to as "2-Tier Intelligent Client" application architecture model is becoming outdated.
An application is composed of three layers: - Application - Business - Data
You have three basic architectual models: - 2-tier Intelligent Server - 2-tier Intelligenc Client - N-Tier
In the intelligent server model, most of the processing is done on the server, and in an intelligent client model, most processing is done on the client. N-tier is when an application is seperated on three machines (one for each piece of the model, and I use the term "machine" only for simplified logic, "system" would probably be a better word).
By using a intelligent client model (using "fat" clients), you can vector off quite a bit of processing from the server, to the client machine. Unfortunatly, this means maintaining client machines (hardware, software, the whole nine). So the push nowadays is to move to a two tier intelligent server model, and use "thin" clients. You maintain 0 software on the client machine, it works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't you just swap out a new client machine (we pay $230 for linux powered neoware thin clients, connecting to our citrix metaframe xp farm).
You're forgetting the fact that Alienware machines are ridiculiously overpriced. Build a similiar machine with off the shelf parts and you'll save another fistful of hundreds.
You're missing the point. AMD didn't claim to produce the first 64bit personal computer, Apple did, and are sorely incorrect. We all (well, most of us) know that the first 64bit CPU wasn't x86.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/
"The Power Mac G5 is the world's fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor -- which means it breaks the 4 gigabyte barrier and can use up to 8 gigabytes of main memory."
Might want to do a little research before firing off flames next time.
Slashdot Mirror
Windows 2000 Says "Built on NT Technology" when it boots up.
... I swear!
How do I know? Oh, sheesh, uhm, I was just looking over our windows admins shoulder while he booted one up
Famaliar with the term "spin" ? Lemme paint a picture for you ...
"The open source software community has no real control over the source to their software. Just look at this! *points at slashdot article*
Who knows how many backdoors actually made their way in! Your children are not safe!
*starts chant*
Buy Windows. Buy Windows. Buy Win ..."
You get the idea anyway.
Jesus. Has anyone else noticed that there's more "You slashdotters are sheep!" posts than actual slashhdotters bagging on microsoft?
You knows its bad when you create a cliche bagging on another cliche.
A Pipe dream?
:)
Like the pipe dream of one day having low cost computers in every home, interconnected into a huge network?
Someone in australia already did patent the wheel.
Or maybe that was sarcasm? It never does translate too well through the typed word.
Not even close, buddy.
Where's my moderation points when I need them!? UGH!
They've been doing exactly that for several years. Makes for some pretty good video footage :)
So lets go over this:
1. User gets email.
2. User clicks email to view it.
3. User is infected with virus.
Explain to me how its the users fault again? Maybe they should have been running some 3rd party antivirus software?
Oh wait, if VBS scripts didn't have the inherent ability to automatically launch scripts, it would be a non-issue.
Ok, that came off a little more condescending than I thought but the point stands: How in the *world* is that the users fault? Should they just not read email?
I got a chuckle out of that one too :)
Shoot, I'm afraid to install official service pack releases, let alone a beta!
Several - but NDIS changes are the first that come to mind.
Honestly its not as big of a deal as some people make it out today. They usually maintain backwards compatability, albeit at a small cost in performance.
Yikes, that almost sounds like M$ support?
BILL GATES WEARS WOMEN'S UNDERWEAR!
(whew, that was close!)
Of course its days are numbered. Its just a matter of how big that number is.
Think 64 bit unsigned numbers.
Yeah, I hate it just as much as you do.
Exactly. There's nothing you can do about stopping someone from emailing a virus. You can stop it at an email gateway of course, but nothings 100%. I accept that.
What I don't accept is virus that are automatically executed simply by viewing an email in the preview pane. As soon as you click on it, you're infected.
We've mostly got visual basic scripting to thank for that.
Maybe you need to review your spam filtering policies.
... and it was tagged "SPAM: " in the subject line.
Our gateway (linux + spam assassin + RBL's) stops tens of thousands of emails a month. In the last 6 months I got one piece of spam
Not a clue - care to share with the rest of the class?
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe $699 was for a single cpu linux license.
Server or desktop.
Maybe someone else can comment (preferrably with a link) ?
http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5092702.html
It was NOT from Microsoft! A company called "BayStar Capital" made the "investment" - if you can call it that.
I guess its a lot like "investing" in nickel slots, just on a larger scale.
All you really need is the google toolbar ... at least those of you running windows.
Its free, and actually performs some pretty neat functions.
Its not moot to the thousands of people who couldn't get back online. We agree and disagree at the same time. For you to say "they'll just call their tech friend" is a little absurd, or spending an hour on the phone with microsoft to fix THEIR probleme. Are they going to reimburse me for that time? I do agree that people need more training before using a computer. I believe using a public system, like the internet, should require licensing. Just look at these poor families who's children were using Kazaa, and will now be sued into a homeless shelter, its sad. Lets face it, Microsoft made billions by putting idiots on the internet.
Yes, but how was the (below?) average window user to know how to fix this problem?
.. THEY HAD NO INTERNET ACCESS!
... "
Well, I guess they could just go to www.micro...oh wait
You think my grandmother said: "hmm, i just installed the latest M$ hotfix, and now I can't connect....maybe I need to rollback, lets see, start, control panel
Come on. Seriously.
No, thats not what they mean. The devil's in the details ya know?
*FAT* client/server, whats also referred to as "2-Tier Intelligent Client" application architecture model is becoming outdated.
An application is composed of three layers:
- Application
- Business
- Data
You have three basic architectual models:
- 2-tier Intelligent Server
- 2-tier Intelligenc Client
- N-Tier
In the intelligent server model, most of the processing is done on the server, and in an intelligent client model, most processing is done on the client. N-tier is when an application is seperated on three machines (one for each piece of the model, and I use the term "machine" only for simplified logic, "system" would probably be a better word).
By using a intelligent client model (using "fat" clients), you can vector off quite a bit of processing from the server, to the client machine. Unfortunatly, this means maintaining client machines (hardware, software, the whole nine). So the push nowadays is to move to a two tier intelligent server model, and use "thin" clients. You maintain 0 software on the client machine, it works or it doesn't, and if it doesn't you just swap out a new client machine (we pay $230 for linux powered neoware thin clients, connecting to our citrix metaframe xp farm).
When all else fails, cuss and blather like a psychopath, huh?
... just once. :(
Sad too, there was actually some rational comments from Mac users, then, the old stereotype has to rear its ugly head.
I realize this is a heated issue, but I wish we could have a rational intel/amd vs. apple thread
You're forgetting the fact that Alienware machines are ridiculiously overpriced. Build a similiar machine with off the shelf parts and you'll save another fistful of hundreds.
You're missing the point. AMD didn't claim to produce the first 64bit personal computer, Apple did, and are sorely incorrect. We all (well, most of us) know that the first 64bit CPU wasn't x86.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/ "The Power Mac G5 is the world's fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor -- which means it breaks the 4 gigabyte barrier and can use up to 8 gigabytes of main memory." Might want to do a little research before firing off flames next time.
...Never heard of the DMCA? ;)