I dropped mine, and shattered the "bulb"... but the LEDs inside still lit up. They're bright, they last nearly forever (they don't really burn out), and they save a lot of juice. So, yes, $12 IS cheap.
We could do actual targeted investigation! The kind where you see a person that's suspect, you get a warrant, you listen to all of their communications, and you record who they're talking to. If it's the local pizza hut, you ignore it. If it's another shady suspect, you get another warrent, and listen to this new guy. If New Guy is just a legitimate carpet cleaning company or something, you ignore that too.
You could fire some tech guys and hire some people I'll call "agents", who's job it would be to investigate people. Maybe they'd hang out in unmarked cars, plant some high tech listening devices, maybe go undercover and get jobs with the people you'd be investigating. Maybe they'd write up a report saying "Yes, Bob is a terrorist, we need to keep an eye on this guy".
Or, maybe the odds of me actually getting hurt by a terrorist are so low that I shouldn't worry about it. Or, maybe my magic Anti Terrorist rock is working. I should sell these things!
Ah... conservatives. I SHUDDER to think of what privately owned and operated roads would be like. Eugh... No thank you. Oh, and I work for a large corporation. i assure you, they're not any brighter or better than government. Any large organization has beaurocracy and red tape. It's kind of an emergent property.
But I LIKE my basic services to be provided by the government, because then I at least have a little say in it. I can't vote out the CEO of a company. Nope. I'm a small business owner. I WANT my customers to be able to drive to me. I want those roads for shipping. I want to drive to work! I want public utilities..... Some things you just don't want profit motive in. Some things just aren't profitable, but need to be done anyway. So, we all chip in and get it done, and we all benefit from it FAR more than we put in.
Basic infrastructure creates business opportunities. I'm happy to pay taxes for that.
House of representatives: 231 Republicans; 200 Democrats. If 91 voted against it, and assuming they're all Democrats (I don't know what the actual breakdown is)... I'd say it has a decent chance of passing the Senate and President. To see THAT much support for something is pretty amazing, ESPECIALLY out of the House of Reps.
Also, at this point, ANY bill that makes it through all the way is a victory.:D I think it'll get signed.
Right. Blame it on the people. Not declining real wages since the 70s, or trade deals that made it possible to outsource all the good jobs to where the labor is cheap and the safety and environmental regs are non existant. But it's the PEOPLE'S fault, cause they're greedy.....
And FDR was in charge at the start of the WW, and it was HIS policies that ramped up the American economy. In short, the new deal didn't spend quite enough money, so we ramped up for war and THEN their were enough good jobs. And it was FDR that did it.
I'd like you to tell me how, contrary to popular belief, FDR almost crashed the economy.... 'Cause I can't find that data ANYWHERE. He saved it.
Yeah, FDR's policies sucked so bad he had four terms as president.... He was very unpopular.:D Ha!
FDR was massively popular because he spent money to create infrasctructure jobs that put boots on the ground. People were POOR, and needed the work. He was popular because he created social programs to protect people. He easily defeated Hoover, because Hoover DIDN'T spend money. They called them Hoovervilles for a reason.
"The economy improved rapidly from 1933 to 1937, but then relapsed into a deep recession. The bipartisan Conservative Coalition that formed in 1937 prevented his packing the Supreme Court or passing any considerable legislation; it abolished many of the relief programs when unemployment diminished during World War II."
You're right about Europe being blown to bits, and you're right about diminishing in the 60s.... but you're wrong about FDR. The data is available, and you're picking a few years out of a 12 year run.
I'll agree with B. People made a run on the banks because the fed reserve let a few banks fail. Also, some banks were loaning less so they'd have a reserve, which meant less money in circulation. It was a classic run on the banks scenario, and it was handled badly.
But I don't see what gold had to do with it.
But you do have to admit that the roaring 20's was a time of GREAT consolidation. A few families owned all the railroads and industry. It's history man, and that mattered.
Uhm. Why not? If the government hadn't been around, what would have prevented them from doing the exact same thing? And lets not forget that if the government hadn't been around, they never would have been stopped at all. You'd be an indentured servant of theirs living in a Carnegie town, working a Carnegie job, your kids going to Carnegie school so they could grow up to be good little workers for Carnegie.
Intel has a "copy exactly" policy. Every fab is Intel's "best fab", mainly because maintaining different processes across sites would be a logistical nightmare. Also, I'm sitting in Intel's "best fab", and we run this stuff. So. Nope.
There are two problems with America's economy right now:
Real wages haven't gone up in decades, which is squeezing the low and middle class. They're having to spend on credit to buy, which is a recipe for disaster.
In addition to that, free trade agreements (Yes, Clinton signed NAFTA, I know. He also signed the DMCA. I hate him for it, because I'm not beholden to a party and I think for myself, unlike those that just blame everything on one guy...... hint hint)... anyway, free trade agreements made it easy to move jobs overseas and not be tarriffed on the goods coming back in.
Really, these are kind of one problem. Wages are low and there are no good jobs. The American Dream is a little broken, and I know who broke it. Hint, it's not immigrants. Yes, the government DID pass those laws, I'm glad you all noticed. Now....
WHY did they? Who asked them to? Who paid them to?
It's not Obama. Moneyed interests want more money. They did the logical thing and squeezed their workers. It just so happens that they're so big that their workers are.... Everyone in the country. So now we're fucked and they make more money.
If you want to blame something on Obama, lets get angry that he hasn't been pushing for the kinds of things that actually WOULD help the economy. He needs to push congress to regulate the banks. He needs to push congress to get some boots on the ground infrastructure projects going to help unemployment. He needs to stop making deals with people that won't work with him at all. He needs to grow a pair.
Yes, I hate CEOs. They don't do shit that any of us can't do. They don't deserve their pay. I work for a large company. The management have been driving it into the ground... I can do that.:D
Are you referencing the 1920's, where the rich had no limits and they gobbled up everything and the entire economy tanked(1929, great depression, etc), so we put limits on them, taxed them, built infrastructure, and we had a really good run afterward?
Ironically, I don't think you are. Those that do not learn from history looking like idiots on the internet indeed....
I don't care about range. It's a 5 mile drive to work. I'm fine. My household can easily have a gas car for long trips (seriously, why are people so hung up on range? A LOT of households have more than one car). My big thing is price. I'll buy when it's $15,000, in a heartbeat. Perhaps my first electric will be used. Works for me.
That may not be true. Cooperation is just as inborn a trait as assholism. I don't mean to paint a rosy picture, but please consider that most of the people still living on the planet under a tribal/primitive lifestyle are pretty calm and get along pretty well.
Natural selection works for the talkers as well as the fighters. Sometimes in the same individual.
Ever heard of presuming innocent before guilty? Ever heard of this strange process whereby we have a trial, present evidence, sort through the facts, THEN decide innocent or guilty? Ever heard of the sixth amendment to the US constitution?
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
That's why. We're supposed to be better than that. (we're NOT, but we're supposed to be damnit!)
Snowden is brave, and a hero. And I don't think, given his job, that he thought the US was the only one doing it. He probably would have leaked the shitty details on any other country too, if they'd have given them to a contractor working for the defense department.:D
I really like this. It's a good way to frame the discussion, and it's a discussion we really need to have as a country. I'd change it to "a good chunk of people", but yeah.
Are we, as a society, okay if a good chunk of people don't get BLANK. What are the repercussions of some people NOT having BLANK.
It's a good place to start, and I wish we'd start there instead of just throwing ideology.
I hear a lot of this same nonsense here in the USA. Immigrants coming in and ruining everything, they're on Welfare, They take all the jobs, they're culturally backwater, they're going to bankrupt the country, etc etc etc.
Meanwhile my nearest two neighbors are immigrants. They're nice people, hardworking. Their lawn is beautiful and I'm sure they shake their heads at the gringo next door. They're poor, sure, but that's not a crime(yet). They're nice people. I eat dinner with them sometimes. I help their kids with homework. I practice my spanish because it's interesting and polite, instead of ranting about how they need to learn english.
And you know what? They have some funny ideas. Some funny beliefs. They're very "old world" with their attitudes to a woman's place in the home. Eh. I know that'll get worked out with their kids. I try to get their daughters hooked on power tools as much as I can. You know how I know that? My dad was an immigrant. Swiss. And everything turned out fine.
People are people the world over. Most of them just want to be left alone, to do some meaningful work, to enjoy their family and their life, to raise children who do better than they did.
If immigrants to Sweden are having a hard time adjusting, perhaps it's because of shit attitudes on YOUR part. Perhaps you should take some time to show them what it means to be Swedish. Perhaps you should get to know them before throwing your racist rants all over the place.
People in the 'States scream about Big Government...
Oddly enough in most of Europe, with their big government that actually regulates industry, you see MORE competition in broadband, in cell service. Weird. Almost like businesses get too huge, start monopolistic practices, and NEED to be wacked with a stick once in a while.
Remember folks, there's a world outside the USA, and it works pretty well for a lot of things. Our culture/economy/law is not a universal Truth for the world.
I live off solar. It's fine. LED lighting is cheap enough and doesn't take a huge power draw. My huge power draw is the heater and the hot water heater. No problem. We have these things called Batteries... So I charge for a few hours to heat water for 15 mins. So what? It works fine. Solar panels are down around $1/watt, even for decent panels made somewhere without slave labor.
I live in Oregon. Clouds and night time aren't that bad. It does help that my home is Tiny though.
I don't see what this has to do with Obama.... ? Or are you saying that the opinion that there should be penalties for those who don't have solar panels is Obama Like? (Fuck I wish...)
As for the global warming denying... Assuming that global warming isn't real(it is though), you might get farther with politeness instead of calling us scum.
The bad news is, whatever you believe, the earth is getting warmer, and we are going to have to deal with the consequences. I wish you'd help instead of sitting in the corner scream about Obamasitic Lies.
Why bother? What resources are there? Helium3? Gravity? Is having gravity worth it? If he wants property rights, why not just build up a satellite hotel. There's nothing special about the moon. There's no magnetosphere to protect from radiation, correct? A floating satellite would get just as much solar power. If he wants to give people a chance to walk on the moon (that is something lots of people would pay for, so I guess the moon has THAT going for it), why not just ride down from the satellite?
I wonder... If I go on a space ride, do I own my exhilations? How about my shit and piss? Can I charge for them? That's valuable mass there, and someone will eventually use it to grow food in. Can I charge him? Or does he own it since he paid to have it "escape" the gravity of Earth?
Not that my opinion matters in the slightest, since I'm not rich, but I say.... No. He can't have the moon. It's a cultural heritage of the folks on Earth. Go mine an asteroid or something that no one gives a shit about. I think he can own the colony. He can own the ship, and the walls, and the shit, and the piss... but he can't own the moon. Unless he takes it by force. Then we're SOL.
I'll tell you why it's just video.... because Google cares about video, and google spends a TON on lobbying.
Which is really quite sick if you think about it. This is just another example of money buying laws. Sure, I agree with it, but.... It's still just money buying our laws.
Want your representatives to represent YOu instead of money? Get money out of politics. http://www.wolf-pac.com/
CNN? More credible than Newsmax? Uhm. Yes. And that says a lot about Newsmax.
Also, Crutchy? I looked at your comments. You're a racist, and a genderist. In the last week you spouted the "women are asking for it with those clothes" line, and in THIS discussion, you felt it necessary to bust out the N word.
Perhaps you should think about your attitudes and your life.
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I dropped mine, and shattered the "bulb"... but the LEDs inside still lit up. They're bright, they last nearly forever (they don't really burn out), and they save a lot of juice. So, yes, $12 IS cheap.
We could do actual targeted investigation! The kind where you see a person that's suspect, you get a warrant, you listen to all of their communications, and you record who they're talking to. If it's the local pizza hut, you ignore it. If it's another shady suspect, you get another warrent, and listen to this new guy. If New Guy is just a legitimate carpet cleaning company or something, you ignore that too.
You could fire some tech guys and hire some people I'll call "agents", who's job it would be to investigate people. Maybe they'd hang out in unmarked cars, plant some high tech listening devices, maybe go undercover and get jobs with the people you'd be investigating. Maybe they'd write up a report saying "Yes, Bob is a terrorist, we need to keep an eye on this guy".
Or, maybe the odds of me actually getting hurt by a terrorist are so low that I shouldn't worry about it. Or, maybe my magic Anti Terrorist rock is working. I should sell these things!
Ever been to Food Not Bombs? It's not a christian organization, but it's certainly not religious. I'm an athiest, and I've helped out. So stuff it.
Ah... conservatives. I SHUDDER to think of what privately owned and operated roads would be like. Eugh... No thank you. Oh, and I work for a large corporation. i assure you, they're not any brighter or better than government. Any large organization has beaurocracy and red tape. It's kind of an emergent property.
But I LIKE my basic services to be provided by the government, because then I at least have a little say in it. I can't vote out the CEO of a company. Nope. I'm a small business owner. I WANT my customers to be able to drive to me. I want those roads for shipping. I want to drive to work! I want public utilities..... Some things you just don't want profit motive in. Some things just aren't profitable, but need to be done anyway. So, we all chip in and get it done, and we all benefit from it FAR more than we put in.
Basic infrastructure creates business opportunities. I'm happy to pay taxes for that.
House of representatives: 231 Republicans; 200 Democrats. If 91 voted against it, and assuming they're all Democrats (I don't know what the actual breakdown is)... I'd say it has a decent chance of passing the Senate and President. To see THAT much support for something is pretty amazing, ESPECIALLY out of the House of Reps.
Also, at this point, ANY bill that makes it through all the way is a victory. :D I think it'll get signed.
Right. Blame it on the people. Not declining real wages since the 70s, or trade deals that made it possible to outsource all the good jobs to where the labor is cheap and the safety and environmental regs are non existant. But it's the PEOPLE'S fault, cause they're greedy.....
And FDR was in charge at the start of the WW, and it was HIS policies that ramped up the American economy. In short, the new deal didn't spend quite enough money, so we ramped up for war and THEN their were enough good jobs. And it was FDR that did it.
I'd like you to tell me how, contrary to popular belief, FDR almost crashed the economy.... 'Cause I can't find that data ANYWHERE. He saved it.
Yeah, FDR's policies sucked so bad he had four terms as president.... He was very unpopular. :D Ha!
FDR was massively popular because he spent money to create infrasctructure jobs that put boots on the ground. People were POOR, and needed the work. He was popular because he created social programs to protect people. He easily defeated Hoover, because Hoover DIDN'T spend money. They called them Hoovervilles for a reason.
"The economy improved rapidly from 1933 to 1937, but then relapsed into a deep recession. The bipartisan Conservative Coalition that formed in 1937 prevented his packing the Supreme Court or passing any considerable legislation; it abolished many of the relief programs when unemployment diminished during World War II."
You're right about Europe being blown to bits, and you're right about diminishing in the 60s.... but you're wrong about FDR. The data is available, and you're picking a few years out of a 12 year run.
I'll agree with B. People made a run on the banks because the fed reserve let a few banks fail. Also, some banks were loaning less so they'd have a reserve, which meant less money in circulation. It was a classic run on the banks scenario, and it was handled badly.
But I don't see what gold had to do with it.
But you do have to admit that the roaring 20's was a time of GREAT consolidation. A few families owned all the railroads and industry. It's history man, and that mattered.
It's China. He's probably worried about how much Lead is in that watermelon....
Uhm. Why not? If the government hadn't been around, what would have prevented them from doing the exact same thing? And lets not forget that if the government hadn't been around, they never would have been stopped at all. You'd be an indentured servant of theirs living in a Carnegie town, working a Carnegie job, your kids going to Carnegie school so they could grow up to be good little workers for Carnegie.
but yeah, sure, the Government ENABLED them. :/
Intel has a "copy exactly" policy. Every fab is Intel's "best fab", mainly because maintaining different processes across sites would be a logistical nightmare. Also, I'm sitting in Intel's "best fab", and we run this stuff. So. Nope.
There are two problems with America's economy right now:
Real wages haven't gone up in decades, which is squeezing the low and middle class. They're having to spend on credit to buy, which is a recipe for disaster.
In addition to that, free trade agreements (Yes, Clinton signed NAFTA, I know. He also signed the DMCA. I hate him for it, because I'm not beholden to a party and I think for myself, unlike those that just blame everything on one guy...... hint hint)... anyway, free trade agreements made it easy to move jobs overseas and not be tarriffed on the goods coming back in.
Really, these are kind of one problem. Wages are low and there are no good jobs. The American Dream is a little broken, and I know who broke it. Hint, it's not immigrants. Yes, the government DID pass those laws, I'm glad you all noticed. Now.... WHY did they? Who asked them to? Who paid them to?
It's not Obama. Moneyed interests want more money. They did the logical thing and squeezed their workers. It just so happens that they're so big that their workers are .... Everyone in the country. So now we're fucked and they make more money.
If you want to blame something on Obama, lets get angry that he hasn't been pushing for the kinds of things that actually WOULD help the economy. He needs to push congress to regulate the banks. He needs to push congress to get some boots on the ground infrastructure projects going to help unemployment. He needs to stop making deals with people that won't work with him at all. He needs to grow a pair.
Yes, I hate CEOs. They don't do shit that any of us can't do. They don't deserve their pay. I work for a large company. The management have been driving it into the ground... I can do that. :D
Are you referencing the 1920's, where the rich had no limits and they gobbled up everything and the entire economy tanked(1929, great depression, etc), so we put limits on them, taxed them, built infrastructure, and we had a really good run afterward?
Ironically, I don't think you are. Those that do not learn from history looking like idiots on the internet indeed....
I don't care about range. It's a 5 mile drive to work. I'm fine. My household can easily have a gas car for long trips (seriously, why are people so hung up on range? A LOT of households have more than one car). My big thing is price. I'll buy when it's $15,000, in a heartbeat. Perhaps my first electric will be used. Works for me.
That may not be true. Cooperation is just as inborn a trait as assholism. I don't mean to paint a rosy picture, but please consider that most of the people still living on the planet under a tribal/primitive lifestyle are pretty calm and get along pretty well.
Natural selection works for the talkers as well as the fighters. Sometimes in the same individual.
Ever heard of presuming innocent before guilty? Ever heard of this strange process whereby we have a trial, present evidence, sort through the facts, THEN decide innocent or guilty? Ever heard of the sixth amendment to the US constitution?
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
That's why. We're supposed to be better than that. (we're NOT, but we're supposed to be damnit!)
Snowden is brave, and a hero. And I don't think, given his job, that he thought the US was the only one doing it. He probably would have leaked the shitty details on any other country too, if they'd have given them to a contractor working for the defense department. :D
I really like this. It's a good way to frame the discussion, and it's a discussion we really need to have as a country. I'd change it to "a good chunk of people", but yeah.
Are we, as a society, okay if a good chunk of people don't get BLANK. What are the repercussions of some people NOT having BLANK.
It's a good place to start, and I wish we'd start there instead of just throwing ideology.
I hear a lot of this same nonsense here in the USA. Immigrants coming in and ruining everything, they're on Welfare, They take all the jobs, they're culturally backwater, they're going to bankrupt the country, etc etc etc.
Meanwhile my nearest two neighbors are immigrants. They're nice people, hardworking. Their lawn is beautiful and I'm sure they shake their heads at the gringo next door. They're poor, sure, but that's not a crime(yet). They're nice people. I eat dinner with them sometimes. I help their kids with homework. I practice my spanish because it's interesting and polite, instead of ranting about how they need to learn english.
And you know what? They have some funny ideas. Some funny beliefs. They're very "old world" with their attitudes to a woman's place in the home. Eh. I know that'll get worked out with their kids. I try to get their daughters hooked on power tools as much as I can. You know how I know that? My dad was an immigrant. Swiss. And everything turned out fine.
People are people the world over. Most of them just want to be left alone, to do some meaningful work, to enjoy their family and their life, to raise children who do better than they did.
If immigrants to Sweden are having a hard time adjusting, perhaps it's because of shit attitudes on YOUR part. Perhaps you should take some time to show them what it means to be Swedish. Perhaps you should get to know them before throwing your racist rants all over the place.
People in the 'States scream about Big Government...
Oddly enough in most of Europe, with their big government that actually regulates industry, you see MORE competition in broadband, in cell service. Weird. Almost like businesses get too huge, start monopolistic practices, and NEED to be wacked with a stick once in a while.
Remember folks, there's a world outside the USA, and it works pretty well for a lot of things. Our culture/economy/law is not a universal Truth for the world.
I live off solar. It's fine. LED lighting is cheap enough and doesn't take a huge power draw. My huge power draw is the heater and the hot water heater. No problem. We have these things called Batteries... So I charge for a few hours to heat water for 15 mins. So what? It works fine. Solar panels are down around $1/watt, even for decent panels made somewhere without slave labor.
I live in Oregon. Clouds and night time aren't that bad. It does help that my home is Tiny though.
I don't see what this has to do with Obama.... ? Or are you saying that the opinion that there should be penalties for those who don't have solar panels is Obama Like? (Fuck I wish...)
As for the global warming denying... Assuming that global warming isn't real(it is though), you might get farther with politeness instead of calling us scum.
The bad news is, whatever you believe, the earth is getting warmer, and we are going to have to deal with the consequences. I wish you'd help instead of sitting in the corner scream about Obamasitic Lies.
Why bother? What resources are there? Helium3? Gravity? Is having gravity worth it? If he wants property rights, why not just build up a satellite hotel. There's nothing special about the moon. There's no magnetosphere to protect from radiation, correct? A floating satellite would get just as much solar power. If he wants to give people a chance to walk on the moon (that is something lots of people would pay for, so I guess the moon has THAT going for it), why not just ride down from the satellite?
I wonder... If I go on a space ride, do I own my exhilations? How about my shit and piss? Can I charge for them? That's valuable mass there, and someone will eventually use it to grow food in. Can I charge him? Or does he own it since he paid to have it "escape" the gravity of Earth?
Not that my opinion matters in the slightest, since I'm not rich, but I say.... No. He can't have the moon. It's a cultural heritage of the folks on Earth. Go mine an asteroid or something that no one gives a shit about. I think he can own the colony. He can own the ship, and the walls, and the shit, and the piss... but he can't own the moon. Unless he takes it by force. Then we're SOL.
I'll tell you why it's just video.... because Google cares about video, and google spends a TON on lobbying.
Which is really quite sick if you think about it. This is just another example of money buying laws. Sure, I agree with it, but.... It's still just money buying our laws.
Want your representatives to represent YOu instead of money? Get money out of politics. http://www.wolf-pac.com/
CNN? More credible than Newsmax? Uhm. Yes. And that says a lot about Newsmax.
Also, Crutchy? I looked at your comments. You're a racist, and a genderist. In the last week you spouted the "women are asking for it with those clothes" line, and in THIS discussion, you felt it necessary to bust out the N word.
Perhaps you should think about your attitudes and your life.