Welp, I think this is just one of those things thats gotten me to realize I need to avoid contributing to the consoles completely.
I refuse to buy another sony product for multiple reasons, the most important to this discussion is the fact that I went through 3 of them in a year or so, but you all know of the plethora of reasons Sony needs to die.
I understand not wanting to maintain the servers forever, but not giving anyway for people to continue on is unacceptable, just like DRM that requires a server.
I've been pondering canceling my GameFly account anyway and the dvd drive in my xbox is getting louder and louder so its probably about to go anyway, so I'm guessing when it bites the dust I'll just stop with the consoles completely and continue to game on my PC.
Fortunately one of the side effects of getting older and starting a family is that I don't get much time to game anyway so losing out on games on a console probably isn't going to be that noticeable.
Sigh... I feel like such a grumpy old man... more and more I think I sound like my grumpy old man, good thing I like him. I've started to enjoy fishing more too... yep, time to stop caring about consoles.
Just for reference, Mitnick was an idiotic douche bag with less skill than todays average script kiddie, please don't ever reference him as if he had skills again, he didn't.
Mine came from digikey, well actually spare parts I had that came from digikey...
I originally planned to order 3 from sparkfun myself, but realizing the ones they had weren't really powerful enough for what I wanted and that I'd be far happier with one board instead of 3, I threw my together with spare parts I cobbled together.
I actually made the stepper controllers without using anyone elses reference design.
You're right though, I certainly was going to buy that component from sparkfun, but the software side of the CNC machine is the part I actually want to be part of, so building all the electronics myself was part of my goal.
Of course, I started the CNC project off as a way to mill circuit boards... by the time the project was well underway, I just switched to printing/transfering/etching with UV sensitive boards. Now the CNC does more woodwork than metal or PCBs, though I have created some neat shapes for circuit boards with it.
I suppose its easier to buy the bits you don't care about building, but as I said originally, the people who care that its open are likely the same people who want to build their own or save money, contrary to what you say, buying the parts from Digikey was still cheaper than buying from sparkfun if you exclude my time, which I don't count because the whole project was meant to waste my time:) If you count the time I spent gathering, designing, etching, assembling, programming and testing... well, I probably spent 10-20 times more on my boards than the sparkfun boards... but that would have been boring.
At CD pressing houses? Maybe admins of some content delivery network used to send the software to the users?
Lets face reality here, a pirated copy of a piece of software doesn't cost the producer anything unless they are providing the distribution of the software.
When I go pirate a copy of say... Windows from my friend, he is out some time and money. Microsoft on the other hand isn't out of anything. The did not have money disappear from their bank account, they just didn't have more go in.
So lets assume there is no more pirated software, and these companies now get a portion of that 51 billion... how is that going to create more jobs? The same people that made the program when it was pirated are still going to be capable of making it with no piracy.
I can only possibly imagine the thought is that the money would be used to create new software and thus hire people for that task, except it wouldn't. The software market is pretty much saturated already. There aren't that many NEW apps to be made, just rehashes and improvements on what we already have.
In short, I fail to see how piracy is going to effect employement rates unless someone goes out of business due to pirated software. I'd love for someone to show me an example of that happening. Enough people buy software (like companies who can't afford to dick around and get sued into oblivion for pirating) anyway, if they aren't, then your product was going to fail with or without piracy.
Products with high piracy rates are the same ones that turn in a freaking fortune in profite. God knows how many apps I've made that few people bought (cause they sucked:) and NO ONE PIRATED.
Again, I'd really like some facts to backup the FUDge packing they want us to take.
Cause both Russia and the United States have detonated plenty of nukes underground? They aren't exactly talking about doing something new, this has been done LITERALLY a hundred times before.
You put it deep enough down and in a 'special' hole designed to contain it. I'm sure you can find videos have underground nuclear tests all over the web.
I admit, I do very little to 'save the environment' other than not directly contaminating it by flat out littering.
With that said, I could not agree with you more. It never ceases to amaze me how the loudest idiots shouting about saving the environment know so little about the damage they themselves are causing.
My sister-in-law is 'an activist'. Not in the sense that she goes out and does anything about it, she just likes to talk about it like she has a clue. Regardless of how many times you point out evidence directly contradicting her retarded assumptions she'll keep on believing them because her political team is using it as a battle cry at the time.
There is very little point attempting to convince extremists they might be a little off, its best to just ignore them like most everyone else does, or embarrass them until they shut up.
... that someone has suggested setting off an underground nuke to close an oil well?
And the scary part is what? You think its going to catch fire? Its not like it has a readily available supply of oxygen to burn with.
... finding out that the Soviets did this all the time?
And it worked well. Theres more radiation between the surface of the ocean and the ocean floor where this is happening in the water alone than there is in the bomb.
... finding out that the USSR was so careless they had six "petrocalamities" worth trying this trick on?
I can think of 4 off the top of my head that happened in the states right now. I'd be willing to bet Russia had far more than the ones you've heard about here, and I know we have.
... finding out that there's an actual word for an oil accident of this size?
Anyone can make up words, which is why we have retarded things called 'blogs' and 'tweets'
Considering they've already lost far more in production costs and upcoming cleanup costs than the price of redrilling, I myself find it REALLY hard to believe they aren't doing everything they can to get this under control NOW.
Every day that goes by they are losing so much money due to the leakage its not even close to being funny. The little bit of production loss while waiting to get a drill out there and redrill is nothing.
So we're going to run native x86 code on x86 using software based fault detection...
Given that hardware based detection is hard enough to do right and still most OSes fuck it up from time to time, what on the Earth makes you think that going back to Windows 2/3.x style code is a good idea?
You can call it firmware, software, or magic, doesn't change the fact that its still a severely limited OS. Calling it some other name doesn't actually change anything but the name you call it.
I still think ChromeOS needs to disappear, but I have to admit you've brought up good counter arguments. I'll still have to agree with the original point that its going to cause consumer confusion and frustration. I also realize that I'm not a normal user and probably want too many things that just aren't on the web yet... unless someone can find me a full CAD/CAM/CNC controller solution done in HTML5 (Obviously not the target market) then I could switch my shop computer to ChromeOS and be happy.
I realize thats an extreme case, but I think you're still going to have that problem for normal users. It won't be the lack of CAD software, but there's going to be 'something' for a long time I think.
Indeed, by default work created for an employer belongs to the employer
Thats from the summary... the guy already knows the answer, he just doesn't want to accept it and is hoping slashdot can give him some way to get around the agreement he made with his employer.
Good job there buddy, you've just shown the world you have no intention of keeping your word or honoring your obligations.
f you're a contractor, you own your work but if you're an employee, they do) BUT THEY DO NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT, AND THEY DO NOT OWN YOUR PRIOR WORK.
Not sure what country you live in, but in most cases if you're hired to do work, the employer gives you a specific task and you work on it, the employer pays you for it, the copyright automatically transfers to the employer, its an assumption the law makes in order to cut down on a bunch of paperwork.
Only on slashdot would it be assumed to be any other way.
BTW verbal agreements are worth the paper they're written on
Wrong. In most states in the US and many other countries around the world verbal agreements are just as enforcable as a written contract. All you need is proof, such as a recording or a wittness. This is why cell phone companies require you to call in and listen to their agreements and press 1 or whatever before you sign the paper contract as well. Verbal contracts are VERY enforcable. As long as you can prove your side (or they can prove theirs).
BTW, crap like this is why i *NEVER* sign an employment agreement without carefully looking at the clauses to do with ownership of work.
Common sense is why you shouldn't sign anything you haven't read and understood completely. Doing otherwise makes you an idiot.
You and most other commercial developers who actually need to eat.
I only release my work under a BSD license for this very reason.
It means my boss doesn't give a shit what I write at home as long as its not related to our core business. He rests safe in the knowledge that any thing I make at home and use at work is safe to be used at work.
It also means I get contributions back from professional developers at other businesses who use my code (and our companies code, some of which is BSD/Apache/MIT licensed).
If we used (L)GPL, no one would want anything to do with our code, and everyone would be poorer for it.
You can try, then when you go to court, the judge will smack you in the face for trying to sneak around your legal obligations.
When you write something on your own with clear knowledge of the requirement for your employment, using knowledge you gained FROM your employment, you have a really HARD time trying to convince the court that it really was 'your' work.
The government and courts have been dealing with people far sneakier than you for several thousand years.
Editors shouldn't moderate, considering you can only post a limited number of times per day and that your karma has an affect on the number of times.
What editors should do is ban the users doing this sort of thing rather than moderating. Its going to be one or two users in almost every case causing the flood.
Of course, thats just my two cents and I've never been involved in a discussion site as popular as slashdot, especially one catering to a bunch of geeks and nerds who LOVE to get around things they aren't supposed to be able to get around. With that in mind, every time I think about writing a message to the slashdot group about something I think sucks, I tend to sit back and shut up. They have far more experience than I.
I will say however, timothy and kdawson should be removed.
Oh he could save himself years of pain and just buy a license to Windows 7 Media Center, the frustration of dealing with MythTV for a couple hours taught me that sometimes its well worth paying the MS tax.
Mark me as a troll but MythTV is crap.
I will say that the version number does seem to be a good match for its current state of being.
The problem is, it implement a whole bunch of stuff... like crap. Nothing in it has any polish or completeness. Its simply a collection of source thrown together by a random collection of people on the Internet. Like most OSS projects everyone working on it does a little bit of code to get their own itch scratched and thats where it ends.
They also tend to have the developers too lazy to fix bugs submitted, instead claiming they are unfixable. Took me about 20 minutes to fix the problem after waiting months for them to decide it was unfixable. I hadn't even been running Myth for months at that point. And no, I'm enough of an asshole not to submit the patch, you get what you give and all that.
Sorry guys, but MythTV is an absolutely shitty project. The idea is great, the majority of the developers and project handlers involved are worthless.
Its a damn shame too, its really not that difficult of a task to accomplish. Its the only thing that supports network recording across multiple machines that I've seen, however having not directly tried that, I'm inclined to believe that doesn't likely work either.
Most of its problems are from the developers themselves, which are typical OSS devs. They are right. You are wrong. Doesn't matter what the topic is or why. Basically anyone who doesn't tell them they are gods among devs isn't worth their time and if what you want doesn't suit their agenda it doesn't matter.
Yes this is a rant/flame. Yes the MythTV devs pissed me off in multiple ways so I have a grudge against them. Yes, I am most certainly biased against MythTV. I didn't start that way though, when I found it I thought I found the holy grail for my TV recording needs. The following experiences turned me into an absolute hater of Myth and everyone involved with it.
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Have you seen Linda? I think you'd be better off drinking the bottle of Scotch yourself if you plan on joining her in the hot tub.
Welp, I think this is just one of those things thats gotten me to realize I need to avoid contributing to the consoles completely.
I refuse to buy another sony product for multiple reasons, the most important to this discussion is the fact that I went through 3 of them in a year or so, but you all know of the plethora of reasons Sony needs to die.
I understand not wanting to maintain the servers forever, but not giving anyway for people to continue on is unacceptable, just like DRM that requires a server.
I've been pondering canceling my GameFly account anyway and the dvd drive in my xbox is getting louder and louder so its probably about to go anyway, so I'm guessing when it bites the dust I'll just stop with the consoles completely and continue to game on my PC.
Fortunately one of the side effects of getting older and starting a family is that I don't get much time to game anyway so losing out on games on a console probably isn't going to be that noticeable.
Sigh ... I feel like such a grumpy old man ... more and more I think I sound like my grumpy old man, good thing I like him. I've started to enjoy fishing more too ... yep, time to stop caring about consoles.
Just for reference, Mitnick was an idiotic douche bag with less skill than todays average script kiddie, please don't ever reference him as if he had skills again, he didn't.
Mine came from digikey, well actually spare parts I had that came from digikey ...
I originally planned to order 3 from sparkfun myself, but realizing the ones they had weren't really powerful enough for what I wanted and that I'd be far happier with one board instead of 3, I threw my together with spare parts I cobbled together.
I actually made the stepper controllers without using anyone elses reference design.
You're right though, I certainly was going to buy that component from sparkfun, but the software side of the CNC machine is the part I actually want to be part of, so building all the electronics myself was part of my goal.
Of course, I started the CNC project off as a way to mill circuit boards ... by the time the project was well underway, I just switched to printing/transfering/etching with UV sensitive boards. Now the CNC does more woodwork than metal or PCBs, though I have created some neat shapes for circuit boards with it.
I suppose its easier to buy the bits you don't care about building, but as I said originally, the people who care that its open are likely the same people who want to build their own or save money, contrary to what you say, buying the parts from Digikey was still cheaper than buying from sparkfun if you exclude my time, which I don't count because the whole project was meant to waste my time :) If you count the time I spent gathering, designing, etching, assembling, programming and testing ... well, I probably spent 10-20 times more on my boards than the sparkfun boards ... but that would have been boring.
Getting vasectomies reversed is rather trivial and is far easier and safer than tubal ligation.
Tired cliche?
Like you'd know, no one on slashdot has touched a girl, let alone gets married to one.
All these comments and no one pointed out how unlikely it is that:
AmberBlackCat is a guy pretending to be a girl
AmberBlackCat claims to have a friend
AmberBlackCat claims that friend is a girl
Whats the likelyhood of all 3 of those applying to the same person ... ON SLASHDOT?
Yea, I didn't think so.
At CD pressing houses? Maybe admins of some content delivery network used to send the software to the users?
Lets face reality here, a pirated copy of a piece of software doesn't cost the producer anything unless they are providing the distribution of the software.
When I go pirate a copy of say ... Windows from my friend, he is out some time and money. Microsoft on the other hand isn't out of anything. The did not have money disappear from their bank account, they just didn't have more go in.
So lets assume there is no more pirated software, and these companies now get a portion of that 51 billion ... how is that going to create more jobs? The same people that made the program when it was pirated are still going to be capable of making it with no piracy.
I can only possibly imagine the thought is that the money would be used to create new software and thus hire people for that task, except it wouldn't. The software market is pretty much saturated already. There aren't that many NEW apps to be made, just rehashes and improvements on what we already have.
In short, I fail to see how piracy is going to effect employement rates unless someone goes out of business due to pirated software. I'd love for someone to show me an example of that happening. Enough people buy software (like companies who can't afford to dick around and get sued into oblivion for pirating) anyway, if they aren't, then your product was going to fail with or without piracy.
Products with high piracy rates are the same ones that turn in a freaking fortune in profite. God knows how many apps I've made that few people bought (cause they sucked :) and NO ONE PIRATED.
Again, I'd really like some facts to backup the FUDge packing they want us to take.
Cause both Russia and the United States have detonated plenty of nukes underground? They aren't exactly talking about doing something new, this has been done LITERALLY a hundred times before.
You put it deep enough down and in a 'special' hole designed to contain it. I'm sure you can find videos have underground nuclear tests all over the web.
So I'm guessing you know absolutely nothing about what we learned from the numerous underground nuclear detonations that the US and USSR have done?
I admit, I do very little to 'save the environment' other than not directly contaminating it by flat out littering.
With that said, I could not agree with you more. It never ceases to amaze me how the loudest idiots shouting about saving the environment know so little about the damage they themselves are causing.
My sister-in-law is 'an activist'. Not in the sense that she goes out and does anything about it, she just likes to talk about it like she has a clue. Regardless of how many times you point out evidence directly contradicting her retarded assumptions she'll keep on believing them because her political team is using it as a battle cry at the time.
There is very little point attempting to convince extremists they might be a little off, its best to just ignore them like most everyone else does, or embarrass them until they shut up.
And the scary part is what? You think its going to catch fire? Its not like it has a readily available supply of oxygen to burn with.
And it worked well. Theres more radiation between the surface of the ocean and the ocean floor where this is happening in the water alone than there is in the bomb.
I can think of 4 off the top of my head that happened in the states right now. I'd be willing to bet Russia had far more than the ones you've heard about here, and I know we have.
Anyone can make up words, which is why we have retarded things called 'blogs' and 'tweets'
Considering they've already lost far more in production costs and upcoming cleanup costs than the price of redrilling, I myself find it REALLY hard to believe they aren't doing everything they can to get this under control NOW.
Every day that goes by they are losing so much money due to the leakage its not even close to being funny. The little bit of production loss while waiting to get a drill out there and redrill is nothing.
I'd also like to point out it failed.
You do realize you can do .NET development in and for Linux ... RIGHT?
So we're going to run native x86 code on x86 using software based fault detection ...
Given that hardware based detection is hard enough to do right and still most OSes fuck it up from time to time, what on the Earth makes you think that going back to Windows 2/3.x style code is a good idea?
You can call it firmware, software, or magic, doesn't change the fact that its still a severely limited OS. Calling it some other name doesn't actually change anything but the name you call it.
I've owned several blackberries and palm devices, I've developed several apps for the Palm OS.
I barely used either device as they both suck ass.
Just owning something and developing for it doesn't make you a user.
You're still right though, his post was rather ignorant, but its not impossible to own and develop for a platform you don't use.
I still think ChromeOS needs to disappear, but I have to admit you've brought up good counter arguments. I'll still have to agree with the original point that its going to cause consumer confusion and frustration. I also realize that I'm not a normal user and probably want too many things that just aren't on the web yet ... unless someone can find me a full CAD/CAM/CNC controller solution done in HTML5 (Obviously not the target market) then I could switch my shop computer to ChromeOS and be happy.
I realize thats an extreme case, but I think you're still going to have that problem for normal users. It won't be the lack of CAD software, but there's going to be 'something' for a long time I think.
loophole.
Thats from the summary ... the guy already knows the answer, he just doesn't want to accept it and is hoping slashdot can give him some way to get around the agreement he made with his employer.
Good job there buddy, you've just shown the world you have no intention of keeping your word or honoring your obligations.
So basically you said 'must' then contridicted it with a very clearly 'not must' statement. Good job, you cleared up nothing.
Not sure what country you live in, but in most cases if you're hired to do work, the employer gives you a specific task and you work on it, the employer pays you for it, the copyright automatically transfers to the employer, its an assumption the law makes in order to cut down on a bunch of paperwork.
Only on slashdot would it be assumed to be any other way.
Wrong. In most states in the US and many other countries around the world verbal agreements are just as enforcable as a written contract. All you need is proof, such as a recording or a wittness. This is why cell phone companies require you to call in and listen to their agreements and press 1 or whatever before you sign the paper contract as well. Verbal contracts are VERY enforcable. As long as you can prove your side (or they can prove theirs).
Common sense is why you shouldn't sign anything you haven't read and understood completely. Doing otherwise makes you an idiot.
You and most other commercial developers who actually need to eat.
I only release my work under a BSD license for this very reason.
It means my boss doesn't give a shit what I write at home as long as its not related to our core business. He rests safe in the knowledge that any thing I make at home and use at work is safe to be used at work.
It also means I get contributions back from professional developers at other businesses who use my code (and our companies code, some of which is BSD/Apache/MIT licensed).
If we used (L)GPL, no one would want anything to do with our code, and everyone would be poorer for it.
You can try, then when you go to court, the judge will smack you in the face for trying to sneak around your legal obligations.
When you write something on your own with clear knowledge of the requirement for your employment, using knowledge you gained FROM your employment, you have a really HARD time trying to convince the court that it really was 'your' work.
The government and courts have been dealing with people far sneakier than you for several thousand years.
Editors shouldn't moderate, considering you can only post a limited number of times per day and that your karma has an affect on the number of times.
What editors should do is ban the users doing this sort of thing rather than moderating. Its going to be one or two users in almost every case causing the flood.
Of course, thats just my two cents and I've never been involved in a discussion site as popular as slashdot, especially one catering to a bunch of geeks and nerds who LOVE to get around things they aren't supposed to be able to get around. With that in mind, every time I think about writing a message to the slashdot group about something I think sucks, I tend to sit back and shut up. They have far more experience than I.
I will say however, timothy and kdawson should be removed.
Oh he could save himself years of pain and just buy a license to Windows 7 Media Center, the frustration of dealing with MythTV for a couple hours taught me that sometimes its well worth paying the MS tax.
Mark me as a troll but MythTV is crap.
I will say that the version number does seem to be a good match for its current state of being.
The problem is, it implement a whole bunch of stuff ... like crap. Nothing in it has any polish or completeness. Its simply a collection of source thrown together by a random collection of people on the Internet. Like most OSS projects everyone working on it does a little bit of code to get their own itch scratched and thats where it ends.
They also tend to have the developers too lazy to fix bugs submitted, instead claiming they are unfixable. Took me about 20 minutes to fix the problem after waiting months for them to decide it was unfixable. I hadn't even been running Myth for months at that point. And no, I'm enough of an asshole not to submit the patch, you get what you give and all that.
Sorry guys, but MythTV is an absolutely shitty project. The idea is great, the majority of the developers and project handlers involved are worthless.
Its a damn shame too, its really not that difficult of a task to accomplish. Its the only thing that supports network recording across multiple machines that I've seen, however having not directly tried that, I'm inclined to believe that doesn't likely work either.
Most of its problems are from the developers themselves, which are typical OSS devs. They are right. You are wrong. Doesn't matter what the topic is or why. Basically anyone who doesn't tell them they are gods among devs isn't worth their time and if what you want doesn't suit their agenda it doesn't matter.
Yes this is a rant/flame. Yes the MythTV devs pissed me off in multiple ways so I have a grudge against them. Yes, I am most certainly biased against MythTV. I didn't start that way though, when I found it I thought I found the holy grail for my TV recording needs. The following experiences turned me into an absolute hater of Myth and everyone involved with it.