IM? They don't. Unlike the massive amount of retards that IM all sorts of shit, this are intelligent people who probably just use the old tried and true method of calling them up on the radio or yelling down the hall if its onboard.
IMs - Email for those who don't realize nothing they do is so important that someone else has to know/answer RIGHT NOW!@%!@%!@%!@%@#^@#^!
Whys that? Because the terminal window on your monitor takes less energy to display? Nope, thats not true without using an LED display (not LED backlight, the entire thing has to be LED or it doesn't make a difference).
You think that just displaying a GUI consumes energy? Please provide a citation. Any GUI on a modern OS doesn't require any processing power for displaying something on the screen that is static. You update the screen to current and it sits there.
Outlook isn't constantly drawing the entire display for each frame of your monitors refresh, the video card is, and it works the exact same way regardless of using the command line or a gui app, especially since you probably would end up using a terminal client on a system running in GUI mode and not traditional text console mode anyway.
Then couple in the additional wasted time from the incredibly niave and out of touch with reality since you have the idea that YOUR mail client is some how more efficient than theres.
Its cute that you have tunnel vision and are a retarded fanboy rather than having any sort of logical thought on the issue.
Good job, you've once again reassured my previous experiences that contrary to popular belief, MIT produces nothing but ignorant douche bags who think they know a lot more than they actually do.
It would be insightful if it were talking about something else.
Using the command line to read email is hardly a 'good' way to go about it.
It works and is usable for some, but even most shell users use 'a gui' like Pine or the like.
Its cute that you think you're bad ass cause you and the parent suggested the command line, but it just shows you're trying too hard to be something you aren't.
There are times to use the command line, and times when it is more efficient. Reading your daily email isn't one of those times, regardless of how cool you think it makes you to do so.
You aren't old school, you're just dumb and inefficient.
Congratulations NASA, you've caught up with 1978!
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I was doing this 20 years ago with UUCP and/or sendmail.
HELO mx1.ground.nasa.gov EXTN QUIT
Push queued mail on demand to the orbiting mail server. Cron up the EXTN trigger or setup sendmail (which its happy to do) to handle the queuing whever you want.
Guess what, it works with exchange too!
I guess NASA spends its money on aeronautical engineers and not computer system admins. I'd be willing to bet that I could do it cheaper and more reliably even with exchange than there method, in their constraints of bandwidth and available connection time.
First off, Android isn't impressing anyone, don't try that crap.
The other two are used on more phones by more companies and have been around longer they have bigger groups that enjoy them.
If you watch the trends however, its not staying that way.
iPhone won't be the top smart phone, they aren't trying to be. But it IS massively popular.
I did vote with my wallet, and I don't care if I have root on my phone, I want it to work, not dick around with it and have it break in the middle of a call. Contrary to popular belief most people could give a fuck about that sort of thing, even if the very disconnected from reality slashdot crowd yells loudly about it.
Thats because you aren't likely to be the poor bastard who gets stuck with a broken computer because someone decided to tell the world about it.
This sort of thing is wrong.
I realize it appears to be the only way to solve the problem, but two wrong doesn't make a right. Find another way, 6 billion people on the planet and no one can figure out a better way to get vendors to fix problems than putting millions of PCs at risk? We can make the Internet but we can't solve this problem without being douche bags? Really?
However, just because he picks someone apart doesn't really make any difference in the quality of the news presented by that person.
I regularly pick apart the points that Stewart makes. He leaves out context and other things that have subtle but important meaning in the context of the clip in order to make it funny.
Thats fine, I know what he's doing.
What bothers me is that people like yourself seem to take his implications as fact without considering the rest of the situation.
The point he implies is almost always truthful and a valid point, but when you put most of the stuff he does in context, its not nearly as insane as he makes it out to be.
This is the difference between an intelligent educated person and most of the population of the planet. Most people think that either Fox news or (all the others) are biased.
The problem is that most people are right. Jon Stewart is biased, if you can't see that you're such a retarded fanboy that you need to be terminated immediately. Of course, Stewart is in no way unique. The morons who say 'Oh will its Fox news they are biased!' or 'Oh its CNN they are biased' are just that, morons too stupid to realize that its not that XXX news is biased, its that EVERYONE IS FREAKING BIASED TO THEIR OWN BELIEFS and it takes a conscious effort to look beyond your bias and try to understand the point of view of the other side, which, even when you don't think you agree, 9 times out of 10 what the other side is saying has merit and shouldn't be totally written off even if you don't disagree with everything it says.
There is no excuse for being ignorant in this respect, if you're too stupid to realize 'your political party' or 'your news channel' isn't just as fucked up as the other side, you deserve the ass raping your get because you're an ignorant fanboy who doesn't deserve freedom, you aren't responsible enough to survive with it.
Firefox on Linux drags along at a speed slow enough for you to think someone is intentionally sabotaging it.
Resign code the distribute to themselves?
There are several layers of protection in Windows Update, multiple SSL certificates have to be validated. Any of which can be revoked at a moments notice, and since you have to be online to update, you know a CRL check is going to work.
Contrary to popular belief, some people at MS do have a clue.
Most of Firefox's slowness is XPCOM, not the renderer. Pluging WebKit in won't fix the underlying problem, which they have been trying to address, although it seems like they have one snail doing the work.
XPCOM was overused. Too many things were made into XPCOM objects (with all the massive associated overhead that goes with it) and as a result jumping between XPCOM components all the time, C to JS to C to XPConnect to actual function, on practically EVERY FUNCTION CALL, tends to make things a little slower than they need to be
So basically, you crap up their machine with a bunch of shit they don't need and/or will have a hard time using since its not consistent with any other app they use.
Good job, you've recreated the same kind of crap setup you claim to be fixing.
Whining is not mutually exclusive with doing something about it.
Contrary to popular belief, people can't multitask. Any time spent whining really is time you aren't spending working on solving the problem. They are in fact, mutually exclusive.
Yes, it is, because when they announced the Jetpack stuff, they also told us all that standard extensions were going away and we'd all have to adapt to the Jetpack API.
abit of stuffing most of its weight into a pile of processes hidden under the catch-all name of "svchost.exe"
No it doesn't, you don't know what you're talking about.
with additional chunks hidden in the OS itself.
Those are called shared libraries, and every OS worth its salt uses them. I'm sorry you think its logical for Windows to reimplement and reload a web browser in every application that uses one (which is most now days) rather than sharing them. Sadly, again, this is something that every half way decent OS does, including whatever you're fanboying for, I'm sure.
As a sysadmin, I love the fact that I get far better diagnostic info from Firefox when something isn't working right (especially in troubleshooting certificate errors).
As a general rule, when I start talking about being a sysadmin, I'm well past any diagnostic capabilities the browser has and I've already probably pulled out tcpdump and/or dig. If you mean web developer tools, then sure, Firefox has some neat stuff.
So insofar as the 'bloat' goes, I don't mind that as much, given the featureset.
Sadly, I don't think you even understand why its bloated.
I'm sure if you offered Apple $1000 for a legal copy of OS X, they'd probably be willing to do it. The difference is, you think the buyer gets to set the price and if the seller doesn't agree then the buyer gets to steal it.
Fortunately for the rest of the world, pretty much no one agrees with them or you.
Its nice that you think others shouldn't be told what they can do with their stuff. I think you shouldn't be able to do anything with your stuff that I don't approve of. I think you should leave your car at my house so I can drive it whenever I want. I also want free roam of your home. I want to be able to use any of your stuff whenever I want actually. How do you feel about that?
You don't get to tell others what they get to do with their stuff, regardless of how mentally retarded you are.
The editor I plan to start writing tomorrow is already at v2.0, and of course Kdenlive ( http://www.kdenlive.org/ ) is probably just as useful to most people even if its not 100% feature equivalent.
Who do I have to suck of get my software slashvertised? Its a commercial product so I'm willing to pay also.
Really? Its just a phone. Its not particularly impressive. The only thing it has that you can't find on a hundred other phones is probably the silkscreened 'Google' on it, otherwise there is nothing unique about this phone.
Its not particularly impressive from a CPU power standpoint. Nothing special about the display. Not a lot of storage space. The OS isn't really all that impressive. I'm not really sure what this is supposed to have over other smart phones. There better be something far more impressive than 'it runs android' or they should just put a 'I'm a google fanboy' sticker on it like the stickers they include with Apple products.
I have a distinct feeling that Android and OpenMoko are going to be kissing cousins that only a few people have ever seen in the wild.
As an Apple fanboy I can assure you that this is unacceptable.
When I bought my iPhones on release days everything worked flawlessly!
I didn't have any problems with them not being able to activate it, or not being able to determine that my account was eligible, or not being able to process my fucking perfectly valid credit card, or not allowing me to use a different card because it didn't have my middle initial on it...
Nope... never had any iPhone problems, so why should Google get any slack?!?!!
In all seriousness however, its even harder to do things right one your very first try. I'd cut them some slack as well. Of course, this is what, the 3rd or 4th Android phone thats been released, and they've been involved directly with all of them so they probably should know what they are doing.
Whats most likely however is that this launch really went just fine and that what we're seeing is just an example of how the Internet can blow things out of proportion because the product was far too over hyped to start with.
Considering she wrote 3 nexus one articles in one day I would assume a nexus one, but either way, its unlikely she has any idea what she's talking about as she probably spent more time talking about the phone than using or talking on the phone.
Obviously she isn't anyone you'd want to listen to for any advice on anything.
So was your point that she does or doesn't own a nexus one? I don't see any articles on that page about other phones so I must presume thats what she has,
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IM? They don't. Unlike the massive amount of retards that IM all sorts of shit, this are intelligent people who probably just use the old tried and true method of calling them up on the radio or yelling down the hall if its onboard.
IMs - Email for those who don't realize nothing they do is so important that someone else has to know/answer RIGHT NOW!@%!@%!@%!@%@#^@#^!
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Whys that? Because the terminal window on your monitor takes less energy to display? Nope, thats not true without using an LED display (not LED backlight, the entire thing has to be LED or it doesn't make a difference).
You think that just displaying a GUI consumes energy? Please provide a citation. Any GUI on a modern OS doesn't require any processing power for displaying something on the screen that is static. You update the screen to current and it sits there.
Outlook isn't constantly drawing the entire display for each frame of your monitors refresh, the video card is, and it works the exact same way regardless of using the command line or a gui app, especially since you probably would end up using a terminal client on a system running in GUI mode and not traditional text console mode anyway.
Then couple in the additional wasted time from the incredibly niave and out of touch with reality since you have the idea that YOUR mail client is some how more efficient than theres.
Its cute that you have tunnel vision and are a retarded fanboy rather than having any sort of logical thought on the issue.
Good job, you've once again reassured my previous experiences that contrary to popular belief, MIT produces nothing but ignorant douche bags who think they know a lot more than they actually do.
It would be insightful if it were talking about something else.
Using the command line to read email is hardly a 'good' way to go about it.
It works and is usable for some, but even most shell users use 'a gui' like Pine or the like.
Its cute that you think you're bad ass cause you and the parent suggested the command line, but it just shows you're trying too hard to be something you aren't.
There are times to use the command line, and times when it is more efficient. Reading your daily email isn't one of those times, regardless of how cool you think it makes you to do so.
You aren't old school, you're just dumb and inefficient.
I was doing this 20 years ago with UUCP and/or sendmail.
HELO mx1.ground.nasa.gov
EXTN
QUIT
Push queued mail on demand to the orbiting mail server. Cron up the EXTN trigger or setup sendmail (which its happy to do) to handle the queuing whever you want.
Guess what, it works with exchange too!
I guess NASA spends its money on aeronautical engineers and not computer system admins. I'd be willing to bet that I could do it cheaper and more reliably even with exchange than there method, in their constraints of bandwidth and available connection time.
Seriously, I ran a FIDOnet hub, its not hard. :)
Just for reference, this is not true.
The SDK and emulator are free, you only pay to use the app store or install arbitrary code onto your own devices.
First off, Android isn't impressing anyone, don't try that crap.
The other two are used on more phones by more companies and have been around longer they have bigger groups that enjoy them.
If you watch the trends however, its not staying that way.
iPhone won't be the top smart phone, they aren't trying to be. But it IS massively popular.
I did vote with my wallet, and I don't care if I have root on my phone, I want it to work, not dick around with it and have it break in the middle of a call. Contrary to popular belief most people could give a fuck about that sort of thing, even if the very disconnected from reality slashdot crowd yells loudly about it.
Thats because you aren't likely to be the poor bastard who gets stuck with a broken computer because someone decided to tell the world about it.
This sort of thing is wrong.
I realize it appears to be the only way to solve the problem, but two wrong doesn't make a right. Find another way, 6 billion people on the planet and no one can figure out a better way to get vendors to fix problems than putting millions of PCs at risk? We can make the Internet but we can't solve this problem without being douche bags? Really?
I love Jon Stewart, he's funny as hell.
However, just because he picks someone apart doesn't really make any difference in the quality of the news presented by that person.
I regularly pick apart the points that Stewart makes. He leaves out context and other things that have subtle but important meaning in the context of the clip in order to make it funny.
Thats fine, I know what he's doing.
What bothers me is that people like yourself seem to take his implications as fact without considering the rest of the situation.
The point he implies is almost always truthful and a valid point, but when you put most of the stuff he does in context, its not nearly as insane as he makes it out to be.
This is the difference between an intelligent educated person and most of the population of the planet. Most people think that either Fox news or (all the others) are biased.
The problem is that most people are right. Jon Stewart is biased, if you can't see that you're such a retarded fanboy that you need to be terminated immediately. Of course, Stewart is in no way unique. The morons who say 'Oh will its Fox news they are biased!' or 'Oh its CNN they are biased' are just that, morons too stupid to realize that its not that XXX news is biased, its that EVERYONE IS FREAKING BIASED TO THEIR OWN BELIEFS and it takes a conscious effort to look beyond your bias and try to understand the point of view of the other side, which, even when you don't think you agree, 9 times out of 10 what the other side is saying has merit and shouldn't be totally written off even if you don't disagree with everything it says.
There is no excuse for being ignorant in this respect, if you're too stupid to realize 'your political party' or 'your news channel' isn't just as fucked up as the other side, you deserve the ass raping your get because you're an ignorant fanboy who doesn't deserve freedom, you aren't responsible enough to survive with it.
Resign code the distribute to themselves?
There are several layers of protection in Windows Update, multiple SSL certificates have to be validated. Any of which can be revoked at a moments notice, and since you have to be online to update, you know a CRL check is going to work.
Contrary to popular belief, some people at MS do have a clue.
Most of Firefox's slowness is XPCOM, not the renderer. Pluging WebKit in won't fix the underlying problem, which they have been trying to address, although it seems like they have one snail doing the work.
XPCOM was overused. Too many things were made into XPCOM objects (with all the massive associated overhead that goes with it) and as a result jumping between XPCOM components all the time, C to JS to C to XPConnect to actual function, on practically EVERY FUNCTION CALL, tends to make things a little slower than they need to be
Its not intentional, but the performance loss you see on OS X and more so, Linux is in a non-trival part due to the crappiness of GCC's optimizer.
Me thinks your estimates are far more than a little inaccurate.
I know of no one outside of a Google employee that runs Linux on any device they own.
None of the non-tech savvy have a Linux based router, and the tech-savvy people I know that use something custom use a BSD.
I've yet to come across a Linux based WAP or router in the real world.
Sure all your linux friends may use one, but that isn't exactly an unbiased comparison.
So basically, you crap up their machine with a bunch of shit they don't need and/or will have a hard time using since its not consistent with any other app they use.
Good job, you've recreated the same kind of crap setup you claim to be fixing.
No it doesn't.
You want it to be.
However, as the market has shown, it doesn't have to be and it can be very successful without being 'open' as you define it.
Most of the rest of the world doesn't have some ideological battle against the man to fight, they just want their phone to work.
If it needed to be open with no lockin, then it would be or they'd lose money.
You guys really need to wake up and smell reality. Learn the difference between 'It needs' and 'I want' at the very least.
Contrary to popular belief, people can't multitask. Any time spent whining really is time you aren't spending working on solving the problem. They are in fact, mutually exclusive.
I'm not sure what OS you use, but Chrome looks native on the OSes I run it on, its hard to care about something that doesn't exist.
Yes, it is, because when they announced the Jetpack stuff, they also told us all that standard extensions were going away and we'd all have to adapt to the Jetpack API.
Wait a second, they haven't done that.
No it doesn't, you don't know what you're talking about.
Those are called shared libraries, and every OS worth its salt uses them. I'm sorry you think its logical for Windows to reimplement and reload a web browser in every application that uses one (which is most now days) rather than sharing them. Sadly, again, this is something that every half way decent OS does, including whatever you're fanboying for, I'm sure.
As a general rule, when I start talking about being a sysadmin, I'm well past any diagnostic capabilities the browser has and I've already probably pulled out tcpdump and/or dig. If you mean web developer tools, then sure, Firefox has some neat stuff.
Sadly, I don't think you even understand why its bloated.
I'm sure if you offered Apple $1000 for a legal copy of OS X, they'd probably be willing to do it. The difference is, you think the buyer gets to set the price and if the seller doesn't agree then the buyer gets to steal it.
Fortunately for the rest of the world, pretty much no one agrees with them or you.
Its nice that you think others shouldn't be told what they can do with their stuff. I think you shouldn't be able to do anything with your stuff that I don't approve of. I think you should leave your car at my house so I can drive it whenever I want. I also want free roam of your home. I want to be able to use any of your stuff whenever I want actually. How do you feel about that?
You don't get to tell others what they get to do with their stuff, regardless of how mentally retarded you are.
The editor I plan to start writing tomorrow is already at v2.0, and of course Kdenlive ( http://www.kdenlive.org/ ) is probably just as useful to most people even if its not 100% feature equivalent.
Who do I have to suck of get my software slashvertised? Its a commercial product so I'm willing to pay also.
Really? Its just a phone. Its not particularly impressive. The only thing it has that you can't find on a hundred other phones is probably the silkscreened 'Google' on it, otherwise there is nothing unique about this phone.
Its not particularly impressive from a CPU power standpoint. Nothing special about the display. Not a lot of storage space. The OS isn't really all that impressive. I'm not really sure what this is supposed to have over other smart phones. There better be something far more impressive than 'it runs android' or they should just put a 'I'm a google fanboy' sticker on it like the stickers they include with Apple products.
I have a distinct feeling that Android and OpenMoko are going to be kissing cousins that only a few people have ever seen in the wild.
As an Apple fanboy I can assure you that this is unacceptable.
When I bought my iPhones on release days everything worked flawlessly!
I didn't have any problems with them not being able to activate it, or not being able to determine that my account was eligible, or not being able to process my fucking perfectly valid credit card, or not allowing me to use a different card because it didn't have my middle initial on it ...
Nope ... never had any iPhone problems, so why should Google get any slack?!?!!
In all seriousness however, its even harder to do things right one your very first try. I'd cut them some slack as well. Of course, this is what, the 3rd or 4th Android phone thats been released, and they've been involved directly with all of them so they probably should know what they are doing.
Whats most likely however is that this launch really went just fine and that what we're seeing is just an example of how the Internet can blow things out of proportion because the product was far too over hyped to start with.
Really? You don't even support phones you sell? I can understand not supporting phones that others sell, but you won't even service what you sell?
I'll add that to my list of reasons never to visit such shitty countries, the retarded cold that you guys live in being the biggest reason of course.
Considering she wrote 3 nexus one articles in one day I would assume a nexus one, but either way, its unlikely she has any idea what she's talking about as she probably spent more time talking about the phone than using or talking on the phone.
Obviously she isn't anyone you'd want to listen to for any advice on anything.
So was your point that she does or doesn't own a nexus one? I don't see any articles on that page about other phones so I must presume thats what she has,