L0pht =! @Stake
and is hasn't for a long time. I think there is only one original L0pht person left at @snake.
It is unlikely any of the L0pht folks, or anyone not currently employed there will get anything out of this deal. All the money will most likely end up in the pockets of the VC. I know I don't get squat. (Anyone got a cool job they need filled? or even an uncool one?)
No one at L0pht ever said we could shut down the Internet with "the push of a button". It was 30 minutes. Using a router reset vulnerability that would cascade and confuse the major backbone providers, which has since been patched.
I tried to resurect HNN earlier this year but it seems no one was interested. or maybe I didn't advertise it well enough either way the traffic was abysml and I couldn't afford to keep it going. The WMA was taken over by Freaks Mac Archives long ago.
I submitted this exact same story to/. about 12 hours ago and it was regected. Maybe becuase I wasn't too polite in my descriptions of certian companies. Hmmmm, sounds familiar.
What has been most interesting is to see technology advance and realize that "Hey, L0pht thought of that 5 years ago." But due to lack of funds we could never make it happen. Of course after we got the money we no longer had control and can only sit back and watch as other people devloped our ideas. Sigh.
Not only is this a known issue, as others have posted, it is also rather old. The US Congress was told about this same thing five years ago. This is just a new spin on the same idea. The net hasn't come crashing down in the last five years and I doubt that it will in the next five.
Didn't the L0pht's website run off an old Mac SE for a long time?
Ummm, No. You are confused. The Whacked Mac Archives which was run by the L0pht was run on a Mac SE for a short time. The actuall L0pht website started out on a Sun box originally (Sparc5 I think) before it was moved to a generic Pentium box with a clock crystal from a video card making it run at something like 137.5MHz with OpenBSD.
When the WMA was on an MacSE everything went through a 128K dialup ISDN line. Needless to say the computer was not the bottleneck. The WMA eventually moved to a Mac IIci and then to a Quadra 610 and finally resided on a 6100.
If your looking for a trip down memory lane you can still visit the mothballed WMA just without the files. Two risky to host the files these days not to mention bandwidth costs.
On 24 January 1978, COSMOS 954, a Soviet nuclear-powered surveillance satellite, crashed in the Northwest Territories. The crash scattered a large amount of radioactivity over a 124,000 square kilometre area in Canada's north, stretching southward from Great Slave Lake into northern Alberta and Saskatchewan.
At the time then President Carter called called for an agreement with the Soviets to prohibit earth-orbiting satellites with atomic radiation material in them. Unfortunately this was never enforced.
$250K come on. Phalease. Thats not even one drop in the proverbial bucket for Micro$oft. See this for what it is, nothing more than a media grab.
This will get lots and lots of press and generate hundreds of 'leads' each of which will need to be tracked down, wasting the FBIs time. In the meantime M$ looks all nicey nice, like they actually care or something. I would be very very surprised if this actually has any effect on virus writers, the number of viruses, or how effective the FBI is.
Whether Microsoft had a hand in his demise "will be forever impossible to ascertain," Geer said. "One might say communication wasn't necessary. There's a school of thought that says that a phone call wasn't needed. The more powerful you are, the less likely you are to have to pick up the phone. At most, you could call it plausible deniability."
I am surprised that Dan has decided to publicly say anything. This would seem to indicate his relutcance to pursue the matter in court. Or maybe he just hasn't spoken to a lawyer yet. Or is this opening slavo?
Before the obvious referances are made let me just say (again) that what @stake has become is in no way related to what L0pht was. I think there is only one of us left (Weld), everyone else has seen the writing on the wall and moved on. I just hope Dan is able to put this behind him soon and move on as well.
I realized this two days after the 'merger'. Of course by then it was to late.
It is not possible to take seven people with little to no formalized structure (no matter how effeciant that structure is) and apply standard business principals and expect anything resembling the original organization.
I'm not surprised they didn't tell you anything. They didn't tell me anything either.
A big part of the secret was not to upset anyone else. Immediately from the start I had been seperated from the rest of the original L0pht folks. My guess is to make it easier to let me go later on. If they had kept us together and tried to fire one of us it would not have gone so smoothly. The old divide and conquer strategy.
Consider your time at @stake a valuble lesson. never again will you allow yourself to be brainwashed when they tell you that their company is different, that they will suceed where others have failed, that they will change the world. Remember it _ALL_ about the dollar. Anything else just gets in the way.
- SR
Sure wish I had seen this earlier instead of 300+ replies later. Oh well, I guess thats what happens when you stick your head inside a Hobbit hole for three years and don't come out.
I feel I must reitterate L0phT =! @stake. Please do not confuse what I consider to be the good work of the L0pht with the corporate nonense that is @stake.
As for Dan and everyone else that works there they should have seen the writing on the wall three years ago when they fired my poor ass. Remember me, Space Rogue? HNN? All Gone. Why? I can only speculate but I think they felt that a critical mouthpiece would not be a good thing. Sound familiar? Hard to get someone to sign a big contract if you might call them names the next day.
Dan is a remarkable person. His mind works like no other person I have ever met. Don't feel sorry for him. Trust me, he is in a better place now.
Microsoft has continued its embrace, extend and I assume, extinguish policy with regards to information security. How? By hiring several of the people who were critical of the organization. Yes, that means previous @stake, Guardent, Foundstone, etc employees. That also means hackers, all who now work for the Giant in Redmond. Keep your enemies close. What better way to silence your critics than to hire them. Then you can keep them silent until they no longer pose a threat and dispose of them quietly at a later time when no one is looking.
Oh well, life goes on, the Internet is as insecure as ever, companies are still able to hide thier vulnerability, risks are not taken seriously and hackers still roam free. Nothing has changed, and nothing will until such time that people stop trusting everything that is spoon feed by anyone looking to make a buck. Yeah, I'm cynical. Sue me.
Whish I had seen this thread earlier. Oh well if you make it to Boston be sure to check out the following:
MIT Computer Flea Market while you are there you will surely meet somone who will be willing you to help you explore the MIT Steam tunnels but before you go be sure to walk down the street to were Alexandar Graham Bell invented the telephone.
Slashdot Mirror
Mudge no longer works at @Stake. Hasn't for years. And he started using his real name well before that. Pieter Zatko. If you were wondering.
- SR www.spacerogue.net
L0pht =! @Stake
and is hasn't for a long time. I think there is only one original L0pht person left at @snake.
It is unlikely any of the L0pht folks, or anyone not currently employed there will get anything out of this deal. All the money will most likely end up in the pockets of the VC. I know I don't get squat. (Anyone got a cool job they need filled? or even an uncool one?)
No one at L0pht ever said we could shut down the Internet with "the push of a button". It was 30 minutes. Using a router reset vulnerability that would cascade and confuse the major backbone providers, which has since been patched.
I tried to resurect HNN earlier this year but it seems no one was interested. or maybe I didn't advertise it well enough either way the traffic was abysml and I couldn't afford to keep it going. The WMA was taken over by Freaks Mac Archives long ago.
I submitted this exact same story to /. about 12 hours ago and it was regected. Maybe becuase I wasn't too polite in my descriptions of certian companies. Hmmmm, sounds familiar.
What has been most interesting is to see technology advance and realize that "Hey, L0pht thought of that 5 years ago." But due to lack of funds we could never make it happen. Of course after we got the money we no longer had control and can only sit back and watch as other people devloped our ideas. Sigh.
- SR
http://www.spacerogue.net
See here and here.
- Space Rogue
Ummm, No. You are confused. The Whacked Mac Archives which was run by the L0pht was run on a Mac SE for a short time. The actuall L0pht website started out on a Sun box originally (Sparc5 I think) before it was moved to a generic Pentium box with a clock crystal from a video card making it run at something like 137.5MHz with OpenBSD.
When the WMA was on an MacSE everything went through a 128K dialup ISDN line. Needless to say the computer was not the bottleneck. The WMA eventually moved to a Mac IIci and then to a Quadra 610 and finally resided on a 6100.
If your looking for a trip down memory lane you can still visit the mothballed WMA just without the files. Two risky to host the files these days not to mention bandwidth costs.
- Space Rogue
Has everyone already forgotten about Cosmos 954?
At the time then President Carter called called for an agreement with the Soviets to prohibit earth-orbiting satellites with atomic radiation material in them. Unfortunately this was never enforced.And for a little history of Nukes in space.
- SR
$250K come on. Phalease. Thats not even one drop in the proverbial bucket for Micro$oft. See this for what it is, nothing more than a media grab.
This will get lots and lots of press and generate hundreds of 'leads' each of which will need to be tracked down, wasting the FBIs time. In the meantime M$ looks all nicey nice, like they actually care or something. I would be very very surprised if this actually has any effect on virus writers, the number of viruses, or how effective the FBI is.
- SR
I am surprised that Dan has decided to publicly say anything. This would seem to indicate his relutcance to pursue the matter in court. Or maybe he just hasn't spoken to a lawyer yet. Or is this opening slavo?
Before the obvious referances are made let me just say (again) that what @stake has become is in no way related to what L0pht was. I think there is only one of us left (Weld), everyone else has seen the writing on the wall and moved on. I just hope Dan is able to put this behind him soon and move on as well.
- SRspacerog AT spacerogue DOT net
Please, Please, Please
@stake =! L0pht
I realized this two days after the 'merger'. Of course by then it was to late.
It is not possible to take seven people with little to no formalized structure (no matter how effeciant that structure is) and apply standard business principals and expect anything resembling the original organization.
- SR
I'm not surprised they didn't tell you anything. They didn't tell me anything either. A big part of the secret was not to upset anyone else. Immediately from the start I had been seperated from the rest of the original L0pht folks. My guess is to make it easier to let me go later on. If they had kept us together and tried to fire one of us it would not have gone so smoothly. The old divide and conquer strategy. Consider your time at @stake a valuble lesson. never again will you allow yourself to be brainwashed when they tell you that their company is different, that they will suceed where others have failed, that they will change the world. Remember it _ALL_ about the dollar. Anything else just gets in the way. - SR
Sure wish I had seen this earlier instead of 300+ replies later. Oh well, I guess thats what happens when you stick your head inside a Hobbit hole for three years and don't come out.
I feel I must reitterate L0phT =! @stake. Please do not confuse what I consider to be the good work of the L0pht with the corporate nonense that is @stake.
As for Dan and everyone else that works there they should have seen the writing on the wall three years ago when they fired my poor ass. Remember me, Space Rogue? HNN? All Gone. Why? I can only speculate but I think they felt that a critical mouthpiece would not be a good thing. Sound familiar? Hard to get someone to sign a big contract if you might call them names the next day.
Dan is a remarkable person. His mind works like no other person I have ever met. Don't feel sorry for him. Trust me, he is in a better place now.
Microsoft has continued its embrace, extend and I assume, extinguish policy with regards to information security. How? By hiring several of the people who were critical of the organization. Yes, that means previous @stake, Guardent, Foundstone, etc employees. That also means hackers, all who now work for the Giant in Redmond. Keep your enemies close. What better way to silence your critics than to hire them. Then you can keep them silent until they no longer pose a threat and dispose of them quietly at a later time when no one is looking.
Oh well, life goes on, the Internet is as insecure as ever, companies are still able to hide thier vulnerability, risks are not taken seriously and hackers still roam free. Nothing has changed, and nothing will until such time that people stop trusting everything that is spoon feed by anyone looking to make a buck. Yeah, I'm cynical. Sue me.
- SR
They have a sales contact listed on their website but what are they selling?
How can they afford to give away FREE everything with no Ads or Spyware? What is the catch?
Please don't tell me that not everything is about money because it is.
- SR
Whish I had seen this thread earlier. Oh well if you make it to Boston be sure to check out the following:
MIT Computer Flea Market while you are there you will surely meet somone who will be willing you to help you explore the MIT Steam tunnels but before you go be sure to walk down the street to were Alexandar Graham Bell invented the telephone.
Then of course is the Boston Museum of Science.
- SR