Another thing to look at is that both the EU and the US also do software patents. Isn't it wonderful. Occasional anti-trust lawsuits which don't work followed by ramming software patents down everyone's throats.
Man, the 2.6 kernel rules!!! I can't beleive it. They must have been some crappy code in 2.4 because everything is twice as fast in 2.6.
Course there's crappy code in 2.4. There's millions of lines of SCO code in there:-)
Is this whole episode dragging on just to save some face for Darl McBride? Is this now about SCO or about McBride?
McBride's reputation will be shot after this. He's going to be finished (I hope!) in the industry after this. He's just desperately looking for a way out after getting into such a horrible mess.
I'm pretty sure this open letter is going to be followed by some "magnanimous" gesture on the part of SCO. Like deciding not to follow the case further in the 'interest of the community' or some such thing.
All the previous SCO statements have been openly confrontational but this was far more diplomatic. Still stupid but definitely diplomatic.
"It is likely that this new effort requires international cooperation, because it aims to develop open-source operating systems for nontraditional uses."
Linux gives them the freedom to move innovate and experiment. Something that can never happen in the closed source world of Windows. The intent is not to compete but innovate on the open source platform and find local solutions for local problems.
"The group included representatives from universities and from regional companies like Sharp and Toshiba.
All three countries already have thriving Linux software developer communities--especially for embedded Linux, the operating system used in devices such as television set-top boxes and industrial machines."
I believe the role of the government will be a supporting one (No trillions of GDP to be thrown in) since this idea was first proposed by univeristies and local industry and they're the ones to carry it forward.
Microsoft will just have to suck it up and innovate to ensure that they're right choice because they're better. Or as you say they should run crying to the US govt. Can't compete fair and square can they?
According to McBride, virtually every bit of code that allows Linux kernel 2.4 (or later) to function as an enterprise class, scalable operating system was derived directly or indirectly from Unix System V. SCO obtained rights to System V from Novell.
"Take away the code in question and you're left with Linux 2.2," McBride said.
This is the most ridiculous statement most often repeated by McBride. 2.2 was pretty damn good and so is 2.6, which is most definitely enterprise class and free of SCO code. It's fairly obvious that whatever code was supposed to be directly or indirectly quote unquote "helping Linux become enterprise class" was unimportant enough to be dumped from 2.6 without hurting or degrading any of its enterprise capabilities.
This SGI action is now just SCO running desperately looking for a graceful exit that will also massage their ego's a reasonable bit. They just don't get it do they?
It's been more than 24 hours to the last SCO story. Is lightbulbs and new kernel releases the best we can do?
I believe it's time for Cowboyneal to start sponsoring SCO's crack habit now M$ is going to make a quiet exit after their lame ass attempt at destroying Linux and the GPL.
Isn't there something wrong if you have to compile a configuration file? Config files are supposed to be flat text files that anyone can read and understand. There's something seriously wrong if there's so many warning signs attached to mail server configuration.
I've run into custom cf files where it took me some time to track down and only partially understand the changes to the rules. In qmail and postfix, I could just look at the configuration files even on systems where I hadn't set things up and know exactly what was happening and how.
No way can M4 be used as an example to see how easy sendmail can be. And what's with cf file versioning?!?
I know sendmail can be just as secure as any other mailer provided the updates are installed but it is a big help to have a secure by default mail server running.
My point is simply that U.S. companies should be much less shortsighted about shipping jobs, money and expertise overseas. Those kind of 'investments' can come back to haunt you, in so many ways.
"McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry."
"SCO's legal theory, explained in slide 6, is that the AT&T Unix license compelled all of these companies to assign to AT&T, and later SCO, all derived works that they created incorporating the Unix source code. Here is the key clause on slide 6:
Such right to use includes the right to modify such SOFTWARE PRODUCT and to prepare derivative works based on such SOFTWARE PRODUCT, provided the resulting materials are treated hereunder as part of the original SOFTWARE PRODUCT.
Under SCO's theory, if any code created by a Unix licensee ever touches Unix, SCO owns that code from then on, and can deny its creator the right to make use of it for any other purpose."
Wow! And M$ cribs about the GPL being a viral license.
It looks like stupid licenses like this are signed by major corporates all the time. Wonder why they crib about the GPL being a viral license then? At least the GPL keeps things free.
His approach is *way* too complicated. If there has to be legal way of music distribution, which takes care of the musician then it has to be simple. Think iTunes. Low prices, good music selection, ability to copy vs. BuyMusic's horrendous strategy to treat people like idiots and make them jump through hoops for their entertainment.
Who's going to manage Snapster 2? Negotiate fair pricing with the record labels/artists? All this will require infrastructure and people to manage the distribution channel. Those people will need to be paid and held accountable. Is there going to be just one Snapster Inc. or a hundred? How do you pick one?
This is like using a sledgehammer to drive in a nail. This can never be the answer.
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Another thing to look at is that both the EU and the US also do software patents. Isn't it wonderful. Occasional anti-trust lawsuits which don't work followed by ramming software patents down everyone's throats.
Man, the 2.6 kernel rules!!! I can't beleive it. They must have been some crappy code in 2.4 because everything is twice as fast in 2.6. Course there's crappy code in 2.4. There's millions of lines of SCO code in there :-)
Is this whole episode dragging on just to save some face for Darl McBride? Is this now about SCO or about McBride?
McBride's reputation will be shot after this. He's going to be finished (I hope!) in the industry after this. He's just desperately looking for a way out after getting into such a horrible mess.
How difficult is it to carry the latest boot cd of any popular Linux distribution? You'll have support for all filesystems.
Ideal benchmark would be to put these servers on the net, put the latest $CO press release on em and watch as they are slashdotted :-)
I'm pretty sure this open letter is going to be followed by some "magnanimous" gesture on the part of SCO. Like deciding not to follow the case further in the 'interest of the community' or some such thing.
All the previous SCO statements have been openly confrontational but this was far more diplomatic. Still stupid but definitely diplomatic.
Bye Bye SCO. RIP.
"It is likely that this new effort requires international cooperation, because it aims to develop open-source operating systems for nontraditional uses."
Linux gives them the freedom to move innovate and experiment. Something that can never happen in the closed source world of Windows. The intent is not to compete but innovate on the open source platform and find local solutions for local problems.
"The group included representatives from universities and from regional companies like Sharp and Toshiba. All three countries already have thriving Linux software developer communities--especially for embedded Linux, the operating system used in devices such as television set-top boxes and industrial machines."
I believe the role of the government will be a supporting one (No trillions of GDP to be thrown in) since this idea was first proposed by univeristies and local industry and they're the ones to carry it forward.
Microsoft will just have to suck it up and innovate to ensure that they're right choice because they're better. Or as you say they should run crying to the US govt. Can't compete fair and square can they?
According to McBride, virtually every bit of code that allows Linux kernel 2.4 (or later) to function as an enterprise class, scalable operating system was derived directly or indirectly from Unix System V. SCO obtained rights to System V from Novell.
"Take away the code in question and you're left with Linux 2.2," McBride said.
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This is the most ridiculous statement most often repeated by McBride. 2.2 was pretty damn good and so is 2.6, which is most definitely enterprise class and free of SCO code. It's fairly obvious that whatever code was supposed to be directly or indirectly quote unquote "helping Linux become enterprise class" was unimportant enough to be dumped from 2.6 without hurting or degrading any of its enterprise capabilities.
This SGI action is now just SCO running desperately looking for a graceful exit that will also massage their ego's a reasonable bit. They just don't get it do they?
Don't see anything in the changelog about removing ugly-ass Unix code claimed by SCO to be their own ... :-)
It's been more than 24 hours to the last SCO story. Is lightbulbs and new kernel releases the best we can do?
I believe it's time for Cowboyneal to start sponsoring SCO's crack habit now M$ is going to make a quiet exit after their lame ass attempt at destroying Linux and the GPL.
Isn't there something wrong if you have to compile a configuration file? Config files are supposed to be flat text files that anyone can read and understand. There's something seriously wrong if there's so many warning signs attached to mail server configuration.
I've run into custom cf files where it took me some time to track down and only partially understand the changes to the rules. In qmail and postfix, I could just look at the configuration files even on systems where I hadn't set things up and know exactly what was happening and how.
No way can M4 be used as an example to see how easy sendmail can be. And what's with cf file versioning?!?
I know sendmail can be just as secure as any other mailer provided the updates are installed but it is a big help to have a secure by default mail server running.
My point is simply that U.S. companies should be much less shortsighted about shipping jobs, money and expertise overseas. Those kind of 'investments' can come back to haunt you, in so many ways.
You mean like Osama Bin Laden?
"McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry."
... That's what they've set out to do :-)
http://www.humorix.org/articles/may03/sco.shtml
Well
"SCO's legal theory, explained in slide 6, is that the AT&T Unix license compelled all of these companies to assign to AT&T, and later SCO, all derived works that they created incorporating the Unix source code. Here is the key clause on slide 6:
Such right to use includes the right to modify such SOFTWARE PRODUCT and to prepare derivative works based on such SOFTWARE PRODUCT, provided the resulting materials are treated hereunder as part of the original SOFTWARE PRODUCT. Under SCO's theory, if any code created by a Unix licensee ever touches Unix, SCO owns that code from then on, and can deny its creator the right to make use of it for any other purpose."
Wow! And M$ cribs about the GPL being a viral license.
It looks like stupid licenses like this are signed by major corporates all the time. Wonder why they crib about the GPL being a viral license then? At least the GPL keeps things free.
Is is just me or does this look like the umpteenth re-run of Groundhog Day
Will SCO ever break out of the loop? Will the SCO jokes never stop?
His approach is *way* too complicated. If there has to be legal way of music distribution, which takes care of the musician then it has to be simple. Think iTunes. Low prices, good music selection, ability to copy vs. BuyMusic's horrendous strategy to treat people like idiots and make them jump through hoops for their entertainment. Who's going to manage Snapster 2? Negotiate fair pricing with the record labels/artists? All this will require infrastructure and people to manage the distribution channel. Those people will need to be paid and held accountable. Is there going to be just one Snapster Inc. or a hundred? How do you pick one? This is like using a sledgehammer to drive in a nail. This can never be the answer.
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Who the fuck keeps a 20gb root partition!?! It's probably all the admin's porn.