I don't know because I haven't tried it under wine, but that still doesn't explain why it's possible to turn off the pre-loading in windows (and it makes a difference) if - according to what you say - there is no pre-loading and it's *a myth* (like all great myths, I bet there's a Wagner opera about it).
MS Office still loads faster on my Inspiron 2600 running Slackware Current using CrossoverOffice than OpenOffice. I don't see Wine running until I click the button to start an app. So is it still preloading in my RAM in that case?
Nope, but the article and my previous post were talking about OO.o *2.0* pre-release loading times. It's well known that OO.o 1.x loads slowly and that this aspect needed to be addressed.
Besides, I never said that MS Office loaded slowly (it has other flaws, though), just that if you compared OO.o NOT pre-cached with MS Office pre-cached, you were not doing a fair comparison.
On my laptop with a slow 4200 rpm hard drive AbiWord takes about 2 seconds and MS Word takes about the same.
Abiword is very lightweight and far from being as feature-full as OO.o . If it does everything you want, you might as well stick with it, though.
As for MS Office, it loads that fast because it pre-loads in RAM at startup. You can do the same trick with OO.o and it'll load in a second. The loading times in the original article were WITHOUT the pre-load.
Thank-you for saying nothing in a vaguely insulting manner. I still don't know what your opinion on these things has to do with anything since I was talking about how *I* was doing, but whatever.
I'm doing fine with Kolourpaint in KDE. I don't have heavy duty graphics-editing needs, though.
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Photoshop? Try paying for it on a student's bank account..
Heh, I've stopped using GIMP because I discovered Kolourpaint in KDE. I don't need anything more than that for now, and I suspect that a lot of users would be happy with it too.
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That's true, but I think that the reason why people will be more inclined to do PR job for OSS is because they don't feel (as?) exploited and that it's easier to love the products when you agree with the philosophy behind them.
People are not just excited about the products, they are also excited by the whole movement.. and they feel part of it. Something that rarely happens with proprietary solutions.
When you have a good product like Opera and you do promo for them, your are basically lining someone's pockets with your effort and are telling people to use something that they have to pay for or suffer ads.
When you recommend another good product like Firefox/Mozilla, you are helping the net be safer from spyware/viruses, are encouraging open standards and telling microsoft that they should start working on IE again (which is a good thing), and you are helping the mozilla community by bringing them users, potential developpers/graphic artists/documentation translators, etc, and you are helping the open source community in general by raising awareness.
Granted, by promoting Opera you also promote better standards and security, but you are just removing control from MS and putting it in the hands of Opera Inc. With open source, it's almost impossible to take hostage almost the whole net the way that MS did with IE.
Well, the fact that Firefox is FREE and OPEN SOURCE probably has something to do with it. I haven't seen this community give quite as much exposure to Opera...
Come on now, fanatism isn't good on any side, but saying that AMD is producing cheap knock offs and not putting money in R&D?
Cheap knock off? EMT64
R&D? Just look at the Opteron/A64, man. x86-64, on die memory controller, Cool'N'Quiet and low wattage (hello, Prescott? Yeah, Intel's designs are SO good). AMD's partnership with IBM. etc. Itanium might be really cool on paper or if you don't have to pay for it, but in real life, it just totally failed.
And all that for less money per performance/unit than Intel chips.
This thing sounds great, but before it is really useful it needs to be out there in sufficient numbers.
I hope that distros will start installing it by default on their default gaim version.
I have no doubt that having more people use OSS is a good thing, and even if they never migrate to Linux (something they probably wouldn't have done in the first place), it's a good thing that they are using Mozilla, OO.o and co. instead of proprietary solutions.
That's a very fast CPU and a (I assume) laptop hard-drive. In that case I really doubt that you are waiting much, if at all, for the CPU during the startup phase of the program.
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Linus shows one more time that he's an intelligent and well spoken individual. A good spokesperson for open source, that's for sure.
Anybody can imagine Ballmer or Gates giving honest answers like that to an interviewer?
I don't know because I haven't tried it under wine, but that still doesn't explain why it's possible to turn off the pre-loading in windows (and it makes a difference) if - according to what you say - there is no pre-loading and it's *a myth* (like all great myths, I bet there's a Wagner opera about it).
THERE IS NO PRELOADING on Word. This is a myth.
How come you can turn it off with msconfig, then?
MS Office still loads faster on my Inspiron 2600 running Slackware Current using CrossoverOffice than OpenOffice. I don't see Wine running until I click the button to start an app. So is it still preloading in my RAM in that case?
Nope, but the article and my previous post were talking about OO.o *2.0* pre-release loading times. It's well known that OO.o 1.x loads slowly and that this aspect needed to be addressed.
Besides, I never said that MS Office loaded slowly (it has other flaws, though), just that if you compared OO.o NOT pre-cached with MS Office pre-cached, you were not doing a fair comparison.
On my laptop with a slow 4200 rpm hard drive AbiWord takes about 2 seconds and MS Word takes about the same.
Abiword is very lightweight and far from being as feature-full as OO.o . If it does everything you want, you might as well stick with it, though.
As for MS Office, it loads that fast because it pre-loads in RAM at startup. You can do the same trick with OO.o and it'll load in a second. The loading times in the original article were WITHOUT the pre-load.
The problem with the internet is that the irony often gets lost in the binary translation.
Hey, I wasn't defending the system.. Just saying that it doesn't have to be the way that wall street wants it to be.
Capitalism can include cooperation, not just competition.
Not half as much as paying AND using Windows, Office, etc.
I'm also glad to learn that he's better.
It might be corny, but I don't know the guy and yet I thought about his health a couple of times a week during this whole episode.
Hope that he has fully recovered soon!
Oh, and Slackware rules!
Thank-you for saying nothing in a vaguely insulting manner. I still don't know what your opinion on these things has to do with anything since I was talking about how *I* was doing, but whatever.
I'm doing fine with Kolourpaint in KDE. I don't have heavy duty graphics-editing needs, though.
Photoshop? Try paying for it on a student's bank account..
Heh, I've stopped using GIMP because I discovered Kolourpaint in KDE. I don't need anything more than that for now, and I suspect that a lot of users would be happy with it too.
That's true, but I think that the reason why people will be more inclined to do PR job for OSS is because they don't feel (as?) exploited and that it's easier to love the products when you agree with the philosophy behind them.
People are not just excited about the products, they are also excited by the whole movement.. and they feel part of it. Something that rarely happens with proprietary solutions.
I think it's relevant.
When you have a good product like Opera and you do promo for them, your are basically lining someone's pockets with your effort and are telling people to use something that they have to pay for or suffer ads.
When you recommend another good product like Firefox/Mozilla, you are helping the net be safer from spyware/viruses, are encouraging open standards and telling microsoft that they should start working on IE again (which is a good thing), and you are helping the mozilla community by bringing them users, potential developpers/graphic artists/documentation translators, etc, and you are helping the open source community in general by raising awareness.
Granted, by promoting Opera you also promote better standards and security, but you are just removing control from MS and putting it in the hands of Opera Inc. With open source, it's almost impossible to take hostage almost the whole net the way that MS did with IE.
Well, the fact that Firefox is FREE and OPEN SOURCE probably has something to do with it. I haven't seen this community give quite as much exposure to Opera...
Come on now, fanatism isn't good on any side, but saying that AMD is producing cheap knock offs and not putting money in R&D?
Cheap knock off? EMT64
R&D? Just look at the Opteron/A64, man. x86-64, on die memory controller, Cool'N'Quiet and low wattage (hello, Prescott? Yeah, Intel's designs are SO good). AMD's partnership with IBM. etc. Itanium might be really cool on paper or if you don't have to pay for it, but in real life, it just totally failed.
And all that for less money per performance/unit than Intel chips.
That's interesting and would be quite cool, but I don't know how realistic it would be.
:D
Hell, you can even throw Apple into the mix and have them design the desktop software that IBM will use. That'd make the deal even more interesting
This thing sounds great, but before it is really useful it needs to be out there in sufficient numbers. I hope that distros will start installing it by default on their default gaim version.
I wish.
I'm a lowly law-school student, not a programmer.
I have no doubt that having more people use OSS is a good thing, and even if they never migrate to Linux (something they probably wouldn't have done in the first place), it's a good thing that they are using Mozilla, OO.o and co. instead of proprietary solutions.
Seems like a good and fairly straightforward plan... So much so that it's a wonder that nobody has tried to implement it yet :?
Either that or MS bribed them.
Love FireFox, but I prefer Konq right now. Soon enough you'll be able to use KHTML or Gecko in it anyway...
That's a very fast CPU and a (I assume) laptop hard-drive. In that case I really doubt that you are waiting much, if at all, for the CPU during the startup phase of the program.