Really great, but it's NOT plain HTML, and it doesn't give the publishing industry the suggestion from a standards body to cut off any region that threatens them.
No, my idea is never going to see the light of day, but perhaps the way to fight internet censorship is not to lobby and demonstrate, but to provide equal power of censorship to the producer and the consumer.
In other words, we need an/etc/hosts.deny for HTML on a per-file basis instead of.htaccess, independent of the server software. Of course, such a mechanism could be defeated by removing the host's reverse DNS entry, but the intent of the publisher regarding locale of publication could be easily discerned.
Then after the Australian government attacks the web again, the major sites can just shut them off for a few days to convey the world's collective displeasure.
I hear that the Aussies have a tremendous society, but their internet legislation over the past few years has left something to be desired.
When the time comes to oppose legislation on this issue, my representatives will be aware in no uncertain terms that, if they vote to impose a tax, I will never vote for them again.
All in all, perhaps the time has come for us to go on the offensive? Perhaps legislation mandating minimum royalty payments for artists would be enough of a slap in the face for the RIAA's members to bring something other than greed to their attention.
And a union of concerned artists and computer enthusiasts might be enough to take them down.
p.s. I use CD-Rs to backup smaller Oracle databases all the time. I see no reason to involve Hilary Rosen in that process in any way.
Bero has indeed claimed that Reiser experiences corruption at high loads, and it is you who have not done sufficient research. Please pay attention.
However, if the likes of Oracle has stress-tested Reiser and pronounced it good enough, Red Hat's protestations fall upon deaf ears. I myself would have preferred to see XFS or JFS, and we both know that bugs have never stopped Red Hat from making a production release before.
The next time you are insulting, try to be more literate.
Red Hat gives you the choice to use whatever file system you want.
Well, let's see... I might like to choose to install a system with Reiser, XFS, JFS, and I think that I'll take a little LVM with that, if that would be ok...
What? No XFS? No JFS? No LVM? Where is the choice here?
Red Hat is first a server OS, and they should provide a server-class filesystem. Based on benchmarks I've seen, ext3 doesn't cut it.
Red Hat's claims that Reiser goes corrupt are falling on increasingly deaf ears. Oracle dumped everybody but SUSE (Reiser and LVM), and you can be sure that Oracle has stress-tested ad-infinitum.
In the halcyon days of yore, Red Hat was first to market with glibc, and their steadfast refusal to integrate KDE forced TrollTech to open Qt.
This is no longer the Red Hat of high ideals and great technology. They have lost it, and I am migrating.
I know that SUSE is using the new LVM subsystem. It's amazing in that it's just like HP-UX - I just keep wondering where VxFS is.
Really, Red Hat's insistance upon ext3 has cost them dearly - Oracle going exclusively with SUSE, and SUSE using Reiser, really puts Red Hat's Reiser instability claims to the fire. I've used the XFS version from SGI, and the file system is just great. Why Red Hat didn't go with this, I will never be able to understand.
Because of the Oracle issue, I'm probably heading towards SUSE - just haven't had the time to research it and start the migrations. Red Hat has drug their feet on WAY too many issues for FAR too long.
This link: href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01 /07/22/ 0044234&mode=thread discusses the resignation of Alan Cox, a major force behind open software, from the USENIX organization for fear of unconstitutional seizure by the FBI while traveling in the US...
In my view, any person who has used or developed encyption technology is at risk of said seizures. This describes just about everybody in the IT/computer science profession - the FBI can take anyone they want. Unacceptable.
The DMCA moves us away from an open society in the direction of a police state. I do not want to live in such a society. If you halt this progression, you will have my vote. If you work against the people by enforcing the DMCA, my vote will fall against you. If enough of these outrageous constitutional violoations occur, I will seek resident status in another country where free speech rights have more governmental respect.
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The Itanium achieved some truely awesome SPEC-FP scores that made Sun look pretty bad. At FP, Itanium whales.
Itanium suffers from the same problems as the Pentium 4, in some ways, in that you can't ever branch. If you can find code that does this, and doesn't have many NOPs, the Itanium will perform very well. That doesn't describe much general-purpose code in the real world.
So, the crux of this is that Itaniums are faster at some things, just like the Pentium 4 is faster at some things. The risk is that these Intel processor applications are becomming highly specialized, and better general-purpose processors are available.
As you implied, SMP performance is extremely important to people who buy Sun.
In this case, you wouldn't care much how an individual processor performed; you are most concerned with the performace of, say, a 32-way system and it's ability to quickly shuttle data between processors, memory, and disk.
Our beloved Athlon only scales to 2-way, and it's SMP architecture is now being entirely redesigned with the NUMA hypertransport.
Sun probably suffers in raw MHz and SPEC scores because they put so much effort into the SMP aspects.
And, of course, Sun outsells some (arguably) better technology (Power, Alpha) because they are much more open and their service organization is superior.
No, Itanium is VLIW. It has some benefits of RISC.
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While it may be up for some debate, CISC processors are known primarily for opcodes of variable length (some instructions are one word, some two, some three, etc.). They are also known for an overly-rich instruction set and a smaller number of registers.
RISC processors are known for uniform length of opcodes, a library of instructions that has been tuned to optimize compiler output, no direct operations on memory other than load/store, and a larger number of registers (sometimes allocated in clumps like the Sparc register windows).
VLIW (which Intel calls Epic) is also known for uniform length of opcodes, but gathers several opcodes into a bundle and executes the bundle all at once. The Itanium executes 3 instructions at a time in this way. The Itanium's main weakness is that it cannot execute these "bundles" out-of-order, and it relies upon compile-time analysis for most of its optimization when the least is known about the executible code.
AFAIK, both the Pentium 3/4 and the Athlon still have out-of-order RISC processors at the core, and translation units that move x86 code into the native code. Cyrix was the last vendor to make a real x86-CISC processor, but it couldn't scale much beyond 400MHz, so VIA killed it.
The original Pentium had something similar to the VLIW idea in that it had two parallel execution units for executing two instructions at once (super-scalar), but the second execution unit got switched off if there was a dependency between the group of two instructions.
I heard some rumor about Oracle pushing an ERP solution at RedHat that involved WinNT, which started the bad blood between them.
Then, out comes RedHat Database, which would surely cause Oracle some displeasure even if it is no competetive threat.
Perhaps even a larger concern is Suse's use of ReiserFS. Red Hat has been screaming that fsck and other user-level tools for ReiserFS are tremendously substandard, and that ReiserFS corrupts itself under heavy load, to say nothing of the NFS problems (I don't know if these are fixed).
(Gee it would be nice to know which JFS RedHat is going to choose before I install any more XFS versions - perhaps it really will be ext3 after all.)
Why is Oracle coming to a different conclusion about ReiserFS? Granted, it's not that hard to restore a corrupted Oracle data file, but why have any question of risk?
As I am not a US citizen, I do not have any rights to change anything in your country, although your power and attitude does influence what I can do. So I'm asking you guys to not sit back and relax reading your bill of rights but to stand up and try to do something with your alleged freedoms. If you think that such a thing cannot be done, please stop ranting about your freedoms as with that attitude you show that you do not have the freedom you think you enjoy.
I guess that I believe that you have a right to do anything that you have the ability to do - if you have the ability to bring my country to its knees, then you have a right to it. Of course, we then have the right to hunt you down and dismember you... (not that I personally would ever think of such a dark purpose for such an enlightened scholar as yourself)
I think this attitude is common to many US citizens, and is a particular facet of the "American Dream." Violence has always been part of this dream - we still idolize Andrew Jackson, for example, even though he brought calamity upon native americans. We hold reverence for a lot of butchers. We're admired simply because we've been on the winning side in a few major conflicts, among some other reasons.
Justifyable moral violence in the US is a delicate balance between butchery and good PR spin control within the confines of the nation. This doesn't make us good or bad; it just gives us a particular place and role to play for world events.
Well, the CIA hasn't butchered American civilians.
Remembering Waco, that's the job of the ATF.
Objectively, there was a tremendous conflict of interest in Florida that went entirely unaddressed. The world is still laughing at us. There are lots of issues behind the Florida election that the American press refuses to cover - the Brittish press is the place to start on the Bush/Gore election scandal.
Personally, I do consider myself a conservative, but let's face it, Bush is a troll. He is not concillatory in the slightest, even though his mandate was not as strong as his opponent in the context of the popular vote. Vindictive revenge is all that he shows to those who stand against him; he takes no prisoners. And yes, I voted for the bastard.
I am well aware of the definition of Banana Republic. With Bush's ties to oil, the similarities grow disturbing indeed.
Scopes remains a great example of what this culture ultimately thinks of science and reason: they are great things unless they interfere with our inhibitions. I guess that I am an addict of reason in most ways, and I don't like to see it abused.
For some, America used to be a great place to live. The rise of the special interests and their power to pervert the law of the land pretty much took care of that. DMCA is just the beginning...
And no, I don't think people should be so vicious with one another in the context of political dialog such as this conversation...
...that thousands of Florida voters were turned away from the polls because their names closely matched convicted felons due to a "fuzzy database search?" You also realize that this technology was applied mostly in counties where the average income was low?
Say, Russia, where a former KGB thug became president and is trying to suppress independent media (makes W. look stellar).
And this is different from ex-CIA director George Bush Sr. or his thug son in what way?
Oh, yes, GW Bush used his connections to steal the national election, then watched California plunge into the worst energy crisis of the decade while doing nothing because they didn't vote for him?
And we haven't degenerated into a banana republic? Hello?!
Or the Third World, where US companies- freed from our watchful government and Constitution- have dissidents murdered (Nigeria) or ethnic minorities massacred (Myanmar) by the local despots to pave the way for new pipelines.
Ever heard of Jimmy Hoffa?
I'll admit the US record on civil rights and liberties is spotty at best. In few cases, however, has the moral high ground failed to win.
Scopes monkey trial?
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Someone here obviously hasn't been paying attention.
My government's unconstitutional enforcement of the DMCA is only one example of the blatant disregard for the rights and liberties of both US Citizens and foreign nationals.
We are no longer the land of the free. For your own safety, stay out.
Microsoft would be much more vulnerable to competing authentication servers than ICANN would be to alternate root DNS servers, for example. A major fork of.NET could be accomplished not only by the Linux enthusiast community, but also by IBM, SGI, or any of the other powerful corporations now ostensibly on our "side" (politics certainly makes strange bedfellows).
I am not a GNOME developer, and there is a great deal that I do not understand about what is going on. However, I still haven't seen any applications that use ORBIT, and I don't see CORBA or Java having a substantial impact on Linux or GNOME applications.
But then again, I don't know what I'm talking about...
When sap-db, Postgres, and Interbase are open and (mostly) ANSI SQL 92-compliant, isn't it time for the MySQL community to take the hint?
Sybase 11.0.3.3 has also been free on Linux for a very long time. MySQL has yet to catch up to this level of functionality, and yet I still know people who swear by MySQL.
I'm not up on this issue, but it seems to me that MySQL is in the midst of an angry code-fork.
I remember that Jackson remarked that he was looking forward to seeing his conclusions reviewed by others.
I also remember that Jackson endured a tremendous amount of beligerent behavior from Microsoft, and some outright lies (something about a video of IE being faster than Netscape, but IE was on a 33.6 modem while Netscape got a 28.8 behind the scenes).
I think Jackson realized that he was no longer in a position where it was even possible for him to be objective, so he threw the book at Microsoft, then tainted his own verdict to force a review.
He might actually be rather pleased at the moment that his findings of fact and law are to stand. I hope these documents condemn Microsoft to severe punishment, regardless of the competence of the prosecutors.
From what I understand, IBM was manufacturing Alpha processors for DEC/Compaq.
Does IBM have any rights to Alpha technology that would allow it to continue the manufacture of these chips? In the agreement with Cyrix, IBM was allowed to manufacture its own x86 designs based upon Cyrix.
Any possibility that IBM could acquire Alpha Processor, Inc., and provide us with low-cost Alphas?
Or, wonder of wonders, is there any possibility that we could see inexpensive PowerPC motherboards from IBM?
Please, somebody just give me an alternative to IA64!
The IDE model is extremely inexpensive, and the dual processor 1U netra is under $5000, I think.
No, this is not an e10k, and you can't partition it, but it is a solaris machine nonetheless.
Also, solaris is available for FREE for intel and sparc, so there can't be any argument about accessibility for Solaris. The source effort must have failed for other reasons, which I guess to be lack of enthusiasm.
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Really great, but it's NOT plain HTML, and it doesn't give the publishing industry the suggestion from a standards body to cut off any region that threatens them.
No, my idea is never going to see the light of day, but perhaps the way to fight internet censorship is not to lobby and demonstrate, but to provide equal power of censorship to the producer and the consumer.
It's all about checks and balances.
Lets just say we put in a new tag like this:
<meta noread=".au,In other words, we need an /etc/hosts.deny for HTML on a per-file basis instead of .htaccess, independent of the server software. Of course, such a mechanism could be defeated by removing the host's reverse DNS entry, but the intent of the publisher regarding locale of publication could be easily discerned.
Then after the Australian government attacks the web again, the major sites can just shut them off for a few days to convey the world's collective displeasure.
I hear that the Aussies have a tremendous society, but their internet legislation over the past few years has left something to be desired.
When the time comes to oppose legislation on this issue, my representatives will be aware in no uncertain terms that, if they vote to impose a tax, I will never vote for them again.
All in all, perhaps the time has come for us to go on the offensive? Perhaps legislation mandating minimum royalty payments for artists would be enough of a slap in the face for the RIAA's members to bring something other than greed to their attention.
And a union of concerned artists and computer enthusiasts might be enough to take them down.
Bero has indeed claimed that Reiser experiences corruption at high loads, and it is you who have not done sufficient research. Please pay attention.
However, if the likes of Oracle has stress-tested Reiser and pronounced it good enough, Red Hat's protestations fall upon deaf ears. I myself would have preferred to see XFS or JFS, and we both know that bugs have never stopped Red Hat from making a production release before.
The next time you are insulting, try to be more literate.
Well, let's see... I might like to choose to install a system with Reiser, XFS, JFS, and I think that I'll take a little LVM with that, if that would be ok...
What? No XFS? No JFS? No LVM? Where is the choice here?
Red Hat is first a server OS, and they should provide a server-class filesystem. Based on benchmarks I've seen, ext3 doesn't cut it.
Red Hat's claims that Reiser goes corrupt are falling on increasingly deaf ears. Oracle dumped everybody but SUSE (Reiser and LVM), and you can be sure that Oracle has stress-tested ad-infinitum.
In the halcyon days of yore, Red Hat was first to market with glibc, and their steadfast refusal to integrate KDE forced TrollTech to open Qt.
This is no longer the Red Hat of high ideals and great technology. They have lost it, and I am migrating.
I know that SUSE is using the new LVM subsystem. It's amazing in that it's just like HP-UX - I just keep wondering where VxFS is.
Really, Red Hat's insistance upon ext3 has cost them dearly - Oracle going exclusively with SUSE, and SUSE using Reiser, really puts Red Hat's Reiser instability claims to the fire. I've used the XFS version from SGI, and the file system is just great. Why Red Hat didn't go with this, I will never be able to understand.
Because of the Oracle issue, I'm probably heading towards SUSE - just haven't had the time to research it and start the migrations. Red Hat has drug their feet on WAY too many issues for FAR too long.
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discusses the resignation of Alan Cox, a major force behind open software, from the USENIX organization for fear of unconstitutional seizure by the FBI while traveling in the US...
The Itanium achieved some truely awesome SPEC-FP scores that made Sun look pretty bad. At FP, Itanium whales.
Itanium suffers from the same problems as the Pentium 4, in some ways, in that you can't ever branch. If you can find code that does this, and doesn't have many NOPs, the Itanium will perform very well. That doesn't describe much general-purpose code in the real world.
So, the crux of this is that Itaniums are faster at some things, just like the Pentium 4 is faster at some things. The risk is that these Intel processor applications are becomming highly specialized, and better general-purpose processors are available.
As you implied, SMP performance is extremely important to people who buy Sun.
In this case, you wouldn't care much how an individual processor performed; you are most concerned with the performace of, say, a 32-way system and it's ability to quickly shuttle data between processors, memory, and disk.
Our beloved Athlon only scales to 2-way, and it's SMP architecture is now being entirely redesigned with the NUMA hypertransport.
Sun probably suffers in raw MHz and SPEC scores because they put so much effort into the SMP aspects.
And, of course, Sun outsells some (arguably) better technology (Power, Alpha) because they are much more open and their service organization is superior.
While it may be up for some debate, CISC processors are known primarily for opcodes of variable length (some instructions are one word, some two, some three, etc.). They are also known for an overly-rich instruction set and a smaller number of registers.
RISC processors are known for uniform length of opcodes, a library of instructions that has been tuned to optimize compiler output, no direct operations on memory other than load/store, and a larger number of registers (sometimes allocated in clumps like the Sparc register windows).
VLIW (which Intel calls Epic) is also known for uniform length of opcodes, but gathers several opcodes into a bundle and executes the bundle all at once. The Itanium executes 3 instructions at a time in this way. The Itanium's main weakness is that it cannot execute these "bundles" out-of-order, and it relies upon compile-time analysis for most of its optimization when the least is known about the executible code.
AFAIK, both the Pentium 3/4 and the Athlon still have out-of-order RISC processors at the core, and translation units that move x86 code into the native code. Cyrix was the last vendor to make a real x86-CISC processor, but it couldn't scale much beyond 400MHz, so VIA killed it.
The original Pentium had something similar to the VLIW idea in that it had two parallel execution units for executing two instructions at once (super-scalar), but the second execution unit got switched off if there was a dependency between the group of two instructions.
"We're thinking a modest fine and several years' probation..."
One can only hope.
I heard some rumor about Oracle pushing an ERP solution at RedHat that involved WinNT, which started the bad blood between them.
Then, out comes RedHat Database, which would surely cause Oracle some displeasure even if it is no competetive threat.
Perhaps even a larger concern is Suse's use of ReiserFS. Red Hat has been screaming that fsck and other user-level tools for ReiserFS are tremendously substandard, and that ReiserFS corrupts itself under heavy load, to say nothing of the NFS problems (I don't know if these are fixed).
(Gee it would be nice to know which JFS RedHat is going to choose before I install any more XFS versions - perhaps it really will be ext3 after all.)
Why is Oracle coming to a different conclusion about ReiserFS? Granted, it's not that hard to restore a corrupted Oracle data file, but why have any question of risk?
There is more here than meets the eye.
As I am not a US citizen, I do not have any rights to change anything in your country, although your power and attitude does influence what I can do. So I'm asking you guys to not sit back and relax reading your bill of rights but to stand up and try to do something with your alleged freedoms. If you think that such a thing cannot be done, please stop ranting about your freedoms as with that attitude you show that you do not have the freedom you think you enjoy.
I guess that I believe that you have a right to do anything that you have the ability to do - if you have the ability to bring my country to its knees, then you have a right to it. Of course, we then have the right to hunt you down and dismember you... (not that I personally would ever think of such a dark purpose for such an enlightened scholar as yourself)
I think this attitude is common to many US citizens, and is a particular facet of the "American Dream." Violence has always been part of this dream - we still idolize Andrew Jackson, for example, even though he brought calamity upon native americans. We hold reverence for a lot of butchers. We're admired simply because we've been on the winning side in a few major conflicts, among some other reasons.
Justifyable moral violence in the US is a delicate balance between butchery and good PR spin control within the confines of the nation. This doesn't make us good or bad; it just gives us a particular place and role to play for world events.
It's bad for tourism, though.
Well, the CIA hasn't butchered American civilians.
Remembering Waco, that's the job of the ATF.
Objectively, there was a tremendous conflict of interest in Florida that went entirely unaddressed. The world is still laughing at us. There are lots of issues behind the Florida election that the American press refuses to cover - the Brittish press is the place to start on the Bush/Gore election scandal.
Personally, I do consider myself a conservative, but let's face it, Bush is a troll. He is not concillatory in the slightest, even though his mandate was not as strong as his opponent in the context of the popular vote. Vindictive revenge is all that he shows to those who stand against him; he takes no prisoners. And yes, I voted for the bastard.
I am well aware of the definition of Banana Republic. With Bush's ties to oil, the similarities grow disturbing indeed.
Scopes remains a great example of what this culture ultimately thinks of science and reason: they are great things unless they interfere with our inhibitions. I guess that I am an addict of reason in most ways, and I don't like to see it abused.
For some, America used to be a great place to live. The rise of the special interests and their power to pervert the law of the land pretty much took care of that. DMCA is just the beginning...
And no, I don't think people should be so vicious with one another in the context of political dialog such as this conversation...
...that thousands of Florida voters were turned away from the polls because their names closely matched convicted felons due to a "fuzzy database search?" You also realize that this technology was applied mostly in counties where the average income was low?
You should try to understand more yourself.
Say, Russia, where a former KGB thug became president and is trying to suppress independent media (makes W. look stellar).
And this is different from ex-CIA director George Bush Sr. or his thug son in what way?
Oh, yes, GW Bush used his connections to steal the national election, then watched California plunge into the worst energy crisis of the decade while doing nothing because they didn't vote for him?
And we haven't degenerated into a banana republic? Hello?!
Or the Third World, where US companies- freed from our watchful government and Constitution- have dissidents murdered (Nigeria) or ethnic minorities massacred (Myanmar) by the local despots to pave the way for new pipelines.
Ever heard of Jimmy Hoffa?
I'll admit the US record on civil rights and liberties is spotty at best. In few cases, however, has the moral high ground failed to win.
Scopes monkey trial?
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Someone here obviously hasn't been paying attention.
My government's unconstitutional enforcement of the DMCA is only one example of the blatant disregard for the rights and liberties of both US Citizens and foreign nationals.
We are no longer the land of the free. For your own safety, stay out.
I have had entirely enough of this new adversarial stance of theirs.
Let me just delete /opt/Acrobat4... Their UNIX software sucks anyway. The rest of it isn't much better.
Any software company that enforces or relies upon the DMCA should go on our blacklist!
Microsoft would be much more vulnerable to competing authentication servers than ICANN would be to alternate root DNS servers, for example. A major fork of .NET could be accomplished not only by the Linux enthusiast community, but also by IBM, SGI, or any of the other powerful corporations now ostensibly on our "side" (politics certainly makes strange bedfellows).
I am not a GNOME developer, and there is a great deal that I do not understand about what is going on. However, I still haven't seen any applications that use ORBIT, and I don't see CORBA or Java having a substantial impact on Linux or GNOME applications.
But then again, I don't know what I'm talking about...
When sap-db, Postgres, and Interbase are open and (mostly) ANSI SQL 92-compliant, isn't it time for the MySQL community to take the hint?
Sybase 11.0.3.3 has also been free on Linux for a very long time. MySQL has yet to catch up to this level of functionality, and yet I still know people who swear by MySQL.
I'm not up on this issue, but it seems to me that MySQL is in the midst of an angry code-fork.
Folks, it's time to switch.
I remember that Jackson remarked that he was looking forward to seeing his conclusions reviewed by others.
I also remember that Jackson endured a tremendous amount of beligerent behavior from Microsoft, and some outright lies (something about a video of IE being faster than Netscape, but IE was on a 33.6 modem while Netscape got a 28.8 behind the scenes).
I think Jackson realized that he was no longer in a position where it was even possible for him to be objective, so he threw the book at Microsoft, then tainted his own verdict to force a review.
He might actually be rather pleased at the moment that his findings of fact and law are to stand. I hope these documents condemn Microsoft to severe punishment, regardless of the competence of the prosecutors.
...how long will it take to work it down with (measly) banner ad revenue?
How many people will be let go?
Is Raster and/or Mandrake still working for VA, by the way?
Tremendous condolances, in any case. It's hard watch a dream die.
From what I understand, IBM was manufacturing Alpha processors for DEC/Compaq.
Does IBM have any rights to Alpha technology that would allow it to continue the manufacture of these chips? In the agreement with Cyrix, IBM was allowed to manufacture its own x86 designs based upon Cyrix.
Any possibility that IBM could acquire Alpha Processor, Inc., and provide us with low-cost Alphas?
Or, wonder of wonders, is there any possibility that we could see inexpensive PowerPC motherboards from IBM?
Please, somebody just give me an alternative to IA64!
You put our favorite news engine in the middle of a routing mess that the network engineers had been warning you about for months?
What were you thinking?
You must be able to find a nice, comfortable colocation site somewhere.
The IDE model is extremely inexpensive, and the dual processor 1U netra is under $5000, I think.
No, this is not an e10k, and you can't partition it, but it is a solaris machine nonetheless.
Also, solaris is available for FREE for intel and sparc, so there can't be any argument about accessibility for Solaris. The source effort must have failed for other reasons, which I guess to be lack of enthusiasm.