After all the snide comments I've made, I think maybe a serious discussion about what MS posted.
Firstly, with all due respect to Mr.Tovalds, Linux was just as much a social engineering experiment as it was computer code. I venture a well educated guess that if Linus was trying to build a company with a profit motive and share holders, Linux would not have been a commerically viable product. Indeed, its taken years of open source to make it so at any level on any platform. The motive purely makes Microsoft do and say things the Linux community had no motivation to say. No one's livelihood hung in the balance. Let's not forget feeding yourself with the work you produce vs. feeding the common knowledge. A HUGE difference in motivational karma.
Everyone is getting their cyber-panties in a twist over data MS published. Folks, Look around you...you're bombarded with this sludge every day in every facet of your life. Why should MS suddenly be expected to produce research that would denigrate it's product offering? Please see the first paragraph on motive. Short of a flower made with only a Supreme Being's hand, there is nothing flawless! MS, Linux, Apple...
It's nothing but relativity. The tools are relative and take on value to how you evaluate and use them. No one sets those rules for you! The Business School prophets theorize and speculate based on historical business models. Ones that worked vs. ones that didn't. So they try to "predict" future performance based on past success. The quintessential "what have you done for me lately" paradox. Your chosen platform is only as good as your ability and resources to exploit its benefit! So the Windows vs. Linux comparison is totally absurd based purely on the varibles one has to master in order for any of them to achieve usefulness.
So please... Relax. Don't believe the hype. Think and do the research yourself. If it works for you... then that's the better solution.
Over and out!
You truly need to appreciate the functional appreciation of the marketing function of organizations
yeah. you don't have to worry about success or failure when you give it away. Not exactly the same business rules Microsoft operates under. It's amazing what you can do when you don't have to turn a profit!
-duh-
This is so inane I have to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding at the banality of some of these posts!
Forget cost.
Forget evil empire.
Forget performance.
Forget all that left wing, liberal dribble, rage against the machine bull shit.
All you long winded gasbags out there, take a collective breath and listen!
It's nothing but usability. When Linux makes a consumer interface people will use at home...then, and ONLY then, will Microsoft feel the pain of competition.
Step away from the browser and start writing code boy!
Linux...been there...then I grew up and picked a operating system I can build a business on. Makes a great OS for servers and web pages though. Wow! OoooH! Long live bricks and clicks! dot com's are dead forever! Rest in pieces!
"if we can tone down the rabid fandom that scares a lot of "normal" people away!"
Bravo! Another person who "gets" it! Carry on man! More rejoicing! Here! Here!
Now here is a person of true vision! Bravo!
Someone who gets it! Whoo hoo! There is great rejoicing in Hoo'Ville! Tell your boss you deserve a raise! What am I saying! With brilliance like that, you are probably working for yourself! Carry on man!
The Optimist says the glass is half full
The Pessimist says the glass is half empty
The Marketing Manager says you need to resize your glass.
Dumbed down for the Trolls to understand.
"Smart enough to understand Linux...but not smart enough to comprehend common sense." -Linus Torvalds
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Yep...punch one up and put an end to this money flushing toilet circumnavigating the planet.
10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1...bye now!
Look, I'm not a MicroSoft zealot by any means but I have over 300 clients using our application on both Linux, Apple X and Windows variants.
Linux far and away brings a higher cost to the client because the service channel is not wide spread enough to for a client to find a local support person. While we make more money, it also costs us more because a client can usually find a local MS guy who is professional enough...meaning...he above puberty, shaves, speaks, reads and writes well enough to be credible.
Linus Tovalds is a brilliant mind and I love the Open Source model...but come on people! Stop wishing MS away! Build a better desktop and they will GO AWAY! The rest is pure rubbish!
Yep, Just some more liberal pablum for the masses! I just love the idea of working hard to pay more taxes so my government can spread the wealth I earned to people who lacked the sack to get out of their stoned comas long enough to become gainfully employed.
Liberals are destroying America with this unadulterated BS!. This is the Weapon of Mass Destruction we REALLY should be rooting out and killing!
WHoa There fella!~
"If anything america has some of the strictest policies, and by far the rudest and most arrogant immigration staff around"
We'll duh Captain Obvious! There job, a job I personally WANT to them to be obnoxious in doing is to keep people OUT of the county when they try to be here illegally.
One of the things we Americans MUST do is stop this insanity of illegal immigration and SECURE OUR BORDERS. I am an immigrant! My family came to this country LEGALLY! We spent the money, cried the tears and shed the blood.
What American needs is at every immigration post, a US Marine Recon company, locked and loaded, an anyone trying to get into the country illegally, goes straight back! Or to jail. Their choice.
Not some middle aged gray haired ex-school teacher!
Nice and Courteous? Please...spare me!
Regardless of the supposed freedoms this moron possesses...how stupid do you have to be given the political climate to pull a stunt like this.
Nothing suits me more that to see the Freedom of Speech-ers finally pay the price for what they say when it endangers the rest of us.
Feel sorry for this asshat?
He'll have lots of time to read the Constitution while he's sitting in prison. I say give him the twenty years!
And how's it not stealing?
What ever happened to joining a band, playing YOUR music until your fingers bled, eating hand sandwiches and playing s*%thole bars with chicken wire in hopes that you'll get heard, signed and stikin' filthy rich?
Let me see how some of you think...someone goes to our show...records MY stuff without MY permission...even adopts it as their own...passes it around like the very social disease living within their bodies...and now it's everywhere, maybe even on one of the media megagiants radio stations. And I live my American Dream how?? By not making one red cent off the fruits of my labor and creativity? Yeah, tell you what...go to your job, work your ass off and don't get paid for what you do and tell me that's not stealing!
You know...what I described is the music people buy. Those band exist today...Seattle, Virginia, New Jersey, New York, Texas. They don't want your agilation You know the bands on VH-1's "Behind the Music". You've brought that music at least twice. Once on vinyl and again remastered on CD.
The new bands have even MORE incentive because the media lasts much longer and is of greater quality. Its not the huge record companies that hurt...its guys like me...playing in a band...with people liking our music.
Wanna hear our music? [it doesn't matter what band I'm in] Buy a blow torch...cut open that hermetically sealed vault you call a wallet, fish out some presidential flash cards that YOU'VE WORKED FOR and pay the cover charge, buy a ticket, or buy the CD! We got to eat too!
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Open source is not free. Some freeware is free but not open source. Symantical difference but crucial to the point.
After all the snide comments I've made, I think maybe a serious discussion about what MS posted. Firstly, with all due respect to Mr.Tovalds, Linux was just as much a social engineering experiment as it was computer code. I venture a well educated guess that if Linus was trying to build a company with a profit motive and share holders, Linux would not have been a commerically viable product. Indeed, its taken years of open source to make it so at any level on any platform. The motive purely makes Microsoft do and say things the Linux community had no motivation to say. No one's livelihood hung in the balance. Let's not forget feeding yourself with the work you produce vs. feeding the common knowledge. A HUGE difference in motivational karma. Everyone is getting their cyber-panties in a twist over data MS published. Folks, Look around you...you're bombarded with this sludge every day in every facet of your life. Why should MS suddenly be expected to produce research that would denigrate it's product offering? Please see the first paragraph on motive. Short of a flower made with only a Supreme Being's hand, there is nothing flawless! MS, Linux, Apple... It's nothing but relativity. The tools are relative and take on value to how you evaluate and use them. No one sets those rules for you! The Business School prophets theorize and speculate based on historical business models. Ones that worked vs. ones that didn't. So they try to "predict" future performance based on past success. The quintessential "what have you done for me lately" paradox. Your chosen platform is only as good as your ability and resources to exploit its benefit! So the Windows vs. Linux comparison is totally absurd based purely on the varibles one has to master in order for any of them to achieve usefulness. So please... Relax. Don't believe the hype. Think and do the research yourself. If it works for you... then that's the better solution. Over and out! You truly need to appreciate the functional appreciation of the marketing function of organizations
yeah. you don't have to worry about success or failure when you give it away. Not exactly the same business rules Microsoft operates under. It's amazing what you can do when you don't have to turn a profit! -duh- This is so inane I have to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding at the banality of some of these posts!
Forget cost. Forget evil empire. Forget performance. Forget all that left wing, liberal dribble, rage against the machine bull shit. All you long winded gasbags out there, take a collective breath and listen! It's nothing but usability. When Linux makes a consumer interface people will use at home...then, and ONLY then, will Microsoft feel the pain of competition. Step away from the browser and start writing code boy! Linux...been there...then I grew up and picked a operating system I can build a business on. Makes a great OS for servers and web pages though. Wow! OoooH! Long live bricks and clicks! dot com's are dead forever! Rest in pieces!
Perp walk for even suggesting this! OK, I got a cell right next to Martha Stewart for you. one prison bitch next to another.
"if we can tone down the rabid fandom that scares a lot of "normal" people away!" Bravo! Another person who "gets" it! Carry on man! More rejoicing! Here! Here!
Now here is a person of true vision! Bravo! Someone who gets it! Whoo hoo! There is great rejoicing in Hoo'Ville! Tell your boss you deserve a raise! What am I saying! With brilliance like that, you are probably working for yourself! Carry on man!
Slashdot self destructing! Sounds like Nirvana to me!The trolls would have to go back to Apple!
The Optimist says the glass is half full The Pessimist says the glass is half empty The Marketing Manager says you need to resize your glass. Dumbed down for the Trolls to understand. "Smart enough to understand Linux...but not smart enough to comprehend common sense." -Linus Torvalds
Yep...punch one up and put an end to this money flushing toilet circumnavigating the planet. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1...bye now!
I love you man! I have great fun offending athiests, naturalists, leftists...you get the picture.
Forget about the servers! The real cost is desktops! Linux has to beat them at their own game. They invented the damn thing, after all!
Step away from the Molson you knob!
Look, I'm not a MicroSoft zealot by any means but I have over 300 clients using our application on both Linux, Apple X and Windows variants. Linux far and away brings a higher cost to the client because the service channel is not wide spread enough to for a client to find a local support person. While we make more money, it also costs us more because a client can usually find a local MS guy who is professional enough...meaning...he above puberty, shaves, speaks, reads and writes well enough to be credible. Linus Tovalds is a brilliant mind and I love the Open Source model...but come on people! Stop wishing MS away! Build a better desktop and they will GO AWAY! The rest is pure rubbish!
And Darwin was wrong! Evolution does not weed out the weak! Instead they become our elected officials and college professors!
Yep, Just some more liberal pablum for the masses! I just love the idea of working hard to pay more taxes so my government can spread the wealth I earned to people who lacked the sack to get out of their stoned comas long enough to become gainfully employed. Liberals are destroying America with this unadulterated BS!. This is the Weapon of Mass Destruction we REALLY should be rooting out and killing!
WHoa There fella!~ "If anything america has some of the strictest policies, and by far the rudest and most arrogant immigration staff around" We'll duh Captain Obvious! There job, a job I personally WANT to them to be obnoxious in doing is to keep people OUT of the county when they try to be here illegally. One of the things we Americans MUST do is stop this insanity of illegal immigration and SECURE OUR BORDERS. I am an immigrant! My family came to this country LEGALLY! We spent the money, cried the tears and shed the blood. What American needs is at every immigration post, a US Marine Recon company, locked and loaded, an anyone trying to get into the country illegally, goes straight back! Or to jail. Their choice. Not some middle aged gray haired ex-school teacher! Nice and Courteous? Please...spare me!
Regardless of the supposed freedoms this moron possesses...how stupid do you have to be given the political climate to pull a stunt like this. Nothing suits me more that to see the Freedom of Speech-ers finally pay the price for what they say when it endangers the rest of us. Feel sorry for this asshat? He'll have lots of time to read the Constitution while he's sitting in prison. I say give him the twenty years!
And how's it not stealing? What ever happened to joining a band, playing YOUR music until your fingers bled, eating hand sandwiches and playing s*%thole bars with chicken wire in hopes that you'll get heard, signed and stikin' filthy rich? Let me see how some of you think...someone goes to our show...records MY stuff without MY permission...even adopts it as their own...passes it around like the very social disease living within their bodies...and now it's everywhere, maybe even on one of the media megagiants radio stations. And I live my American Dream how?? By not making one red cent off the fruits of my labor and creativity? Yeah, tell you what...go to your job, work your ass off and don't get paid for what you do and tell me that's not stealing! You know...what I described is the music people buy. Those band exist today...Seattle, Virginia, New Jersey, New York, Texas. They don't want your agilation You know the bands on VH-1's "Behind the Music". You've brought that music at least twice. Once on vinyl and again remastered on CD. The new bands have even MORE incentive because the media lasts much longer and is of greater quality. Its not the huge record companies that hurt...its guys like me...playing in a band...with people liking our music. Wanna hear our music? [it doesn't matter what band I'm in] Buy a blow torch...cut open that hermetically sealed vault you call a wallet, fish out some presidential flash cards that YOU'VE WORKED FOR and pay the cover charge, buy a ticket, or buy the CD! We got to eat too!