The bad thing about Vista is the number of FUD and silly articles it continues to generate. Some would say if you don't like it, don't use it, and move on... clearly they are not in the majority.
As for what people rant about? Same thing as XP, but people forget so quickly. It gets put on PCs that run it like crap (just like those XP rigs with 128mb of ram back when XP was new) and like/dislike of the new look. People also talk about how it is infested with DRM though I have never figured out what that actually means. I guess the ability to play DRM protected content is now = to DRM. None of my media is protected by such junk and I am on Vista.
But yeah that sums up Vista. Lots of whining, not much reason:( I keep hoping it will pass, but no luck so far.
It is my home main rig. I use it to play games (higher end ones so I guess that is "serious"), do homework, and surf the net.
On do my work in XP, but not really because it needs it, but because I use my laptop for work and that is what is on it. It would probably crawl in Vista (Turion 64 X2 1.6Ghz, gig of ram, GeForce Go 6150) unlike my main (E6850 @ 3.2Ghz, 2gigs of ram, 8800GTS 640mb) so I have no plans to upgrade it even though I do like Vista better.
Make no mistake Vista is not a "GO UPGRADE NOW! DO IT!" kinda thing. If you want it get it, if you don't then pass it up. Until very recently I still had a machine running 2k. Microsoft won't show up and demand you upgrade. What I was saying is I don't get the point of these articles. They appear everywhere and I don't really see any reason for them or what is so wrong with Vista. Most of the stuff I read about it is FUD anyway and the drivers have matured to the point that gaming performance is almost equal to XP assuming you have a newer rig.
Now maybe if you mean like CAD work or something then I could be totally wrong. I wouldn't know about that.
My main rig is an ASUS P5N-E SLI mobo, Core 2 Duo E6850 @ 3.2, 2gigs Corsair TWINX PC6400 RAM, an eVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640mb video card. This goes to a 24" monitor so I run things at high res and I still get solid performance in all the games I play (BioShock even ran great in DX10).
I have read some people having issues with Creative drivers, but that has no impact on me. All the systems I built for others used onboard audio and I myself use the onboard coax out to my receiver.
I have only had two issues with the system. The first was a timing issue that would cause the system to freeze, this was not Vista specific. It would occur in XP also (was dual booting at the time) and the mild overclock fixed it for whatever reason.
The second issue is the system will not hibernate correctly. This is a driver issue with Vista only. It did not occur prior to my processor/mobo upgrade so I isolated it to being the crappy beta Asus driver for Vista.
Vista really isn't that bad. People can keep saying it is, but... well... it isn't. I keep building systems for people and they keep wanting Vista because it is "pretty" and it keeps running fine for them. I still have 2 rigs on XP (and I plan to keep it that way as they are slightly older hardware) but my main is on Vista.
What the hell is so wrong with it? I keep reading about how bad my performance should be and how nothing should work and it keeps all working. I guess I am magic. I like to think of it that way:P
On a side note, for speaking about Vista in a positive way I will report to the Slashdot gallows in the morning.
Well I also named Foobar. Most of the other software I use is cross platform. Gaim, Firefox, OpenOffice or more work related such as visual studio, Dreamweaver, and Photoshop. At any rate I have very few issues with the way 99% of the software I run on Windows works.
I was not trying to single out Apple, I was just saying that Windows does not make a developer write bad software. Plenty of good apps for Windows exist. I named applications I use in place of Apple's software that do play nice, not to single them out.
true... but when in Rome... Most PC apps I know are pretty damn annoying and do shit you never intended...
Everything you said was fitting of Justin Long and a white background. If all you ever did on a Windows box was install adware and Apple software please don't bother to comment on the operating system. Windows has a lot of issues. Pick on those; you have more than enough to choose from. However, please don't regurgitate ignorance as an excuse for Apple's horribly sub-par Windows ports. Windows does not make QuickTime suck, Apple does. VLC seems to work fine and dandy. Windows does not make iTunes suck, Apple does. Foobar runs fine on my rig. It very much is Apple and very much not Windows.
I have wondered that myself. My car was broken into about 4 years ago. I lost about 200 CDs (yeah yeah I shouldn't have my whole collection in my car...) and while my CD player and my audio system that were stolen were covered by my insurance, my CDs were not. They told me I had to file that under homeowners insurance... which I don't have... because I don't have a home... I have an apartment. Now I have 'pirated' most all of these albums back. I still have the CD cases to prove I owned them. If I really purchased a license, then this wouldn't matter... right? I mean all I lost was some plastic covered foil and I retain my rights to the audio... I think.
On the other hand if I never owned these albums at all, shouldn't the RIAA be after whoever robbed my car while resupplying me with new copies of those CDs?:)
All kidding aside, I have often wondered about the legality of what I did.
Now if you excuse me I have to run before the DMCA Death Squads gets here.
Not that I don't love WarCraft (because I do, all of them... even WoW), but shouldn't Westwood's Dune 2 have been in its place? Was it as good a game as even WC1? No, but I am not sure a WarCraft 1 would have existed (at least in that form) without Dune 2.
I mean I use Windows and while I don't drive an American car I am all for getting our auto industry out of the shitter, but c'mon... Ford + Microsoft = works well? I just don't see that happening...
Given that everything around me came from something, I would hardly call the existence of a deity implausible. Science has yet to offer anything about where this all came from (I am not talking about the big bang, I am talking about where all matter came from) so if my choices are a god or "it was just all always here", the god one strikes me as more logical. If you think it was just always there or something else, then more power to you. Show me proof. I am always open to criticism of my belief, if I closed my mind then I would be admitting I didn't have much faith in the first place. I am not sure why non-religious people always assume that science and religion are mutually exclusive. I mean if you do think they are then you have to throw out a whole lot of science (big bang included) as they were worked on by individuals that believed in a god.
Oh wait, this is Slashdot! DEATH TO THE BACKWARD THINKING GOD-FANATICS:P I kid, I kid.
In all seriousness, I downloaded IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles from Direct2Drive the other day just for nostalgia purposes (and I have wanted to see if the service is any good), and I clicked the installer and I have no idea what Vista was doing, but it damn near brought my PC to a hault for a good 10 minutes before it gave me the stupid "ok" prompt. I thought the thing was infected with a virus or something, but no it was just Vista doing who knows what with a 3.4ghz dual core processor for over 10 minutes...
Say what? I could be wrong, but last I heard a Mercedes is still the #1 at keeping its value over time.
That said, I drive a Honda Accord lol. Maybe what you wanted to say is not that they are crap, and not that they don't hold value, but that if Joe Consumer can get a Honda with very similar features (mp3 disk player, leather seats, sunroof etc) for 1/2 what the 'benz costs he is more likely to take the less expensive option. Unless he just cares about labels.
Maybe I have some different version of Vista than you... Im running the old MSDN download of ultimate. I have never seen the prompt come up for running regedit or copying to the programs folder. Infact my annoyance is that it DOESN'T prompt me at all and just doesn't let the software run. Example? WinRAR. I right click and tell it to extract. It just does nothing. I have to open the program to get the prompt and it works fine. WoW wants to update? It will run and crap out on the update. I have to right click and run as admin. That said this is what we asked for. Windows has historically been full of security holes, that said the majority of issues have come from users. So Microsoft has added in an annoying way to make sure you know what your doing. The problem is that users will continue to be stupid and just disable the feature or just always click yes and it will accomplish little to nothing IMO.
I think they must mean buggy and not supported. Because I have been using itunes to synch to my ipod through vista since I got my MSDN copy back in early November with minimal issues (mostly just the new security crap being picky). Now I dunno if it has issues playing music as itunes eats disgusting amounts of memory and I play my music through Winamp, but the transfer bit works fine. Can't say for sure about Quicktime. I hate it so I don't have it installed. Now an app that I love that won't work in Vista is WinRAR. The new security crap simply won't allow me to just do the right click unzip. This annoys me to no end...
Hmm, did they change that? Last thing I read said: Zune accomplishes this amazingly stupid feat by wrapping shared music in a proprietary layer of DRM, regardless of what format the original content may be in.
That is only on shared files, yes. However that is still forced DRM, something Vista does not have at this time.
in my view, comes from DRM protected media, not an OS that supports DRM technology. Your mp3 and video collection doesn't magically become DRM protected the second you boot up Vista... This sounds like FUD to me. Now if we were talking about Zune, I could see a real point (as it does change your media).
I didn't intend my post to sound like "well they should change computer science to save it". I can see how people would read it that way and that was my fault. Looking at what all people posted it is obvious that I didn't explain what I was trying to say in enough detail. What I intended to say with my post was maybe it is not dying out, maybe the people who didn't really want that degree just aren't applying anymore and we are now seeing the real numbers. I was using myself as an example. I wasn't really ready for college I don't guess. Why UT? Because my friends were going there and I wouldn't have to leave my hometown. Why computer science? Because I had no idea what I wanted to do, but I always loved programming so why not comp sci? I wouldn't call my choices smart. Because of my switch in majors I am going to graduate a year later than I would have. I was just saying perhaps more people like myself who don't want that degree aren't going for it anymore - that the degree was not right for me, not that the program itself should change.
Nice job calling someone an idiot when you can't even understand what was typed. That was the entire point of my post. It might be dying because people who were signing up for it aren't getting what they wanted out of it. That is to say it was just not right for them. I still have to take math classes, I understand why I have to take them. However I don't want a math degree, nor do I have any use for one. I know I am not alone. I went into comp sci at the University of Tennessee along with 2 of my friends. They both ended up in business, I went to a dual major including web development and graphic design. The point of my post was not to chat about my life, I was just using a personal example that related to the story. I guess I will have to note that next time for people like you who can't figure it out.
then they might be failing because they are more math degrees than what I would consider "computer science". That is why I changed my major to web development here. I didn't want a math degree and that is exactly what I was getting.
Great post. I tried using Linux for several years only to finally realize that well... I didn't WANT to use Linux. I develop websites and I was sitting there trying all these Linux tools for what I do only to hate them. I then spent all this time messing around with Crossover (which in all fairness worked pretty well) thinking... why am I doing this? I am going through added layers and to get reduced performance just because I think I should use Linux. I never had any security, virus, or malware issues with Windows, why was I trying to switch?
That is not to say that Linux can't be a great OS. I still use it running Slackware on my home file/backup server. It also has great software support... for some people. I am just not one of them. My critial apps include things like Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Fireworks, and Indesign. I never found a replacement for those on Linux - and I tried many many things. None of them worked better for me. If something doesn't work better, why switch to it?
I fully support OSS, but I do so from my Windows machine and that is the way I like it. I use Firefox, OpenOffice, Filezilla, and Maguma Open Studio - I just do so from the comfort of my Windows machine. Leave Linux to those that need it. Most every OS has upsides and downsides, their is no reason to try and force yourself to use something that doesn't work. Just stick with what works for you. Linux will continue to do just fine either way. Maybe in time it will be suited for every user's needs, but right now no OS is.
Reset the permissions? I've been running multiple OS X systems since 10.0, and I've never had to "reset the permissions" even once. I'm not even sure I know where to look to do something like that. WTF is he talking about?
Not that I doubt you or dislike Macs (if they weren't so, IMO, overpriced for the power I would love to pick up a Mac), but you can't really judge what the average idiot does on a Mac anymore than you can on Windows. For example I have never had any trouble with viruses on any of my Windows machines. That doesn't really mean windows doesn't have issues with such things.
Now I have no idea what reset the permissions on Appletalk is, so maybe that really is a non-factor in OSX. Only times I have ever used a Mac was in the graphic design programs at university. Just throwing out that you can't really judge overall system issues based on your experience (particularly if you are computer savy). I felt someone should say this because whenever this flamewar comes up people on both sides say "but never happens on my system"! Which really only proves that the problem is between the keyboard and the chair 99% of the time.
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The bad thing about Vista is the number of FUD and silly articles it continues to generate. Some would say if you don't like it, don't use it, and move on... clearly they are not in the majority. As for what people rant about? Same thing as XP, but people forget so quickly. It gets put on PCs that run it like crap (just like those XP rigs with 128mb of ram back when XP was new) and like/dislike of the new look. People also talk about how it is infested with DRM though I have never figured out what that actually means. I guess the ability to play DRM protected content is now = to DRM. None of my media is protected by such junk and I am on Vista. But yeah that sums up Vista. Lots of whining, not much reason :( I keep hoping it will pass, but no luck so far.
It is my home main rig. I use it to play games (higher end ones so I guess that is "serious"), do homework, and surf the net. On do my work in XP, but not really because it needs it, but because I use my laptop for work and that is what is on it. It would probably crawl in Vista (Turion 64 X2 1.6Ghz, gig of ram, GeForce Go 6150) unlike my main (E6850 @ 3.2Ghz, 2gigs of ram, 8800GTS 640mb) so I have no plans to upgrade it even though I do like Vista better. Make no mistake Vista is not a "GO UPGRADE NOW! DO IT!" kinda thing. If you want it get it, if you don't then pass it up. Until very recently I still had a machine running 2k. Microsoft won't show up and demand you upgrade. What I was saying is I don't get the point of these articles. They appear everywhere and I don't really see any reason for them or what is so wrong with Vista. Most of the stuff I read about it is FUD anyway and the drivers have matured to the point that gaming performance is almost equal to XP assuming you have a newer rig. Now maybe if you mean like CAD work or something then I could be totally wrong. I wouldn't know about that.
My main rig is an ASUS P5N-E SLI mobo, Core 2 Duo E6850 @ 3.2, 2gigs Corsair TWINX PC6400 RAM, an eVGA GeForce 8800 GTS 640mb video card. This goes to a 24" monitor so I run things at high res and I still get solid performance in all the games I play (BioShock even ran great in DX10). I have read some people having issues with Creative drivers, but that has no impact on me. All the systems I built for others used onboard audio and I myself use the onboard coax out to my receiver. I have only had two issues with the system. The first was a timing issue that would cause the system to freeze, this was not Vista specific. It would occur in XP also (was dual booting at the time) and the mild overclock fixed it for whatever reason. The second issue is the system will not hibernate correctly. This is a driver issue with Vista only. It did not occur prior to my processor/mobo upgrade so I isolated it to being the crappy beta Asus driver for Vista.
Vista really isn't that bad. People can keep saying it is, but... well... it isn't. I keep building systems for people and they keep wanting Vista because it is "pretty" and it keeps running fine for them. I still have 2 rigs on XP (and I plan to keep it that way as they are slightly older hardware) but my main is on Vista.
:P
What the hell is so wrong with it? I keep reading about how bad my performance should be and how nothing should work and it keeps all working. I guess I am magic. I like to think of it that way
On a side note, for speaking about Vista in a positive way I will report to the Slashdot gallows in the morning.
Well I also named Foobar. Most of the other software I use is cross platform. Gaim, Firefox, OpenOffice or more work related such as visual studio, Dreamweaver, and Photoshop. At any rate I have very few issues with the way 99% of the software I run on Windows works.
Well Microsoft just paid them twice that, so yeah I think they are ok./ 1646226&from=rss
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/18
I was not trying to single out Apple, I was just saying that Windows does not make a developer write bad software. Plenty of good apps for Windows exist. I named applications I use in place of Apple's software that do play nice, not to single them out.
true... but when in Rome... Most PC apps I know are pretty damn annoying and do shit you never intended...
Everything you said was fitting of Justin Long and a white background. If all you ever did on a Windows box was install adware and Apple software please don't bother to comment on the operating system. Windows has a lot of issues. Pick on those; you have more than enough to choose from. However, please don't regurgitate ignorance as an excuse for Apple's horribly sub-par Windows ports. Windows does not make QuickTime suck, Apple does. VLC seems to work fine and dandy. Windows does not make iTunes suck, Apple does. Foobar runs fine on my rig. It very much is Apple and very much not Windows.
I have wondered that myself. My car was broken into about 4 years ago. I lost about 200 CDs (yeah yeah I shouldn't have my whole collection in my car...) and while my CD player and my audio system that were stolen were covered by my insurance, my CDs were not. They told me I had to file that under homeowners insurance... which I don't have... because I don't have a home... I have an apartment. Now I have 'pirated' most all of these albums back. I still have the CD cases to prove I owned them. If I really purchased a license, then this wouldn't matter... right? I mean all I lost was some plastic covered foil and I retain my rights to the audio... I think.
:)
On the other hand if I never owned these albums at all, shouldn't the RIAA be after whoever robbed my car while resupplying me with new copies of those CDs?
All kidding aside, I have often wondered about the legality of what I did.
Now if you excuse me I have to run before the DMCA Death Squads gets here.
How did this get modded up? Have you seen Gears on a SD TV?
What Xbox game looks just like that?
Not that I don't love WarCraft (because I do, all of them... even WoW), but shouldn't Westwood's Dune 2 have been in its place? Was it as good a game as even WC1? No, but I am not sure a WarCraft 1 would have existed (at least in that form) without Dune 2.
I mean I use Windows and while I don't drive an American car I am all for getting our auto industry out of the shitter, but c'mon... Ford + Microsoft = works well? I just don't see that happening...
Given that everything around me came from something, I would hardly call the existence of a deity implausible. Science has yet to offer anything about where this all came from (I am not talking about the big bang, I am talking about where all matter came from) so if my choices are a god or "it was just all always here", the god one strikes me as more logical. If you think it was just always there or something else, then more power to you. Show me proof. I am always open to criticism of my belief, if I closed my mind then I would be admitting I didn't have much faith in the first place. I am not sure why non-religious people always assume that science and religion are mutually exclusive. I mean if you do think they are then you have to throw out a whole lot of science (big bang included) as they were worked on by individuals that believed in a god.
:P I kid, I kid.
Oh wait, this is Slashdot! DEATH TO THE BACKWARD THINKING GOD-FANATICS
In all seriousness, I downloaded IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles from Direct2Drive the other day just for nostalgia purposes (and I have wanted to see if the service is any good), and I clicked the installer and I have no idea what Vista was doing, but it damn near brought my PC to a hault for a good 10 minutes before it gave me the stupid "ok" prompt. I thought the thing was infected with a virus or something, but no it was just Vista doing who knows what with a 3.4ghz dual core processor for over 10 minutes...
Say what? I could be wrong, but last I heard a Mercedes is still the #1 at keeping its value over time.
That said, I drive a Honda Accord lol. Maybe what you wanted to say is not that they are crap, and not that they don't hold value, but that if Joe Consumer can get a Honda with very similar features (mp3 disk player, leather seats, sunroof etc) for 1/2 what the 'benz costs he is more likely to take the less expensive option. Unless he just cares about labels.
Maybe I have some different version of Vista than you... Im running the old MSDN download of ultimate. I have never seen the prompt come up for running regedit or copying to the programs folder. Infact my annoyance is that it DOESN'T prompt me at all and just doesn't let the software run. Example? WinRAR. I right click and tell it to extract. It just does nothing. I have to open the program to get the prompt and it works fine. WoW wants to update? It will run and crap out on the update. I have to right click and run as admin. That said this is what we asked for. Windows has historically been full of security holes, that said the majority of issues have come from users. So Microsoft has added in an annoying way to make sure you know what your doing. The problem is that users will continue to be stupid and just disable the feature or just always click yes and it will accomplish little to nothing IMO.
I think they must mean buggy and not supported. Because I have been using itunes to synch to my ipod through vista since I got my MSDN copy back in early November with minimal issues (mostly just the new security crap being picky). Now I dunno if it has issues playing music as itunes eats disgusting amounts of memory and I play my music through Winamp, but the transfer bit works fine. Can't say for sure about Quicktime. I hate it so I don't have it installed. Now an app that I love that won't work in Vista is WinRAR. The new security crap simply won't allow me to just do the right click unzip. This annoys me to no end...
No, it doesn't. The files are not altered.
Hmm, did they change that? Last thing I read said:
Zune accomplishes this amazingly stupid feat by wrapping shared music in a proprietary layer of DRM, regardless of what format the original content may be in.
That is only on shared files, yes. However that is still forced DRM, something Vista does not have at this time.
in my view, comes from DRM protected media, not an OS that supports DRM technology. Your mp3 and video collection doesn't magically become DRM protected the second you boot up Vista... This sounds like FUD to me. Now if we were talking about Zune, I could see a real point (as it does change your media).
I didn't intend my post to sound like "well they should change computer science to save it". I can see how people would read it that way and that was my fault. Looking at what all people posted it is obvious that I didn't explain what I was trying to say in enough detail. What I intended to say with my post was maybe it is not dying out, maybe the people who didn't really want that degree just aren't applying anymore and we are now seeing the real numbers. I was using myself as an example. I wasn't really ready for college I don't guess. Why UT? Because my friends were going there and I wouldn't have to leave my hometown. Why computer science? Because I had no idea what I wanted to do, but I always loved programming so why not comp sci? I wouldn't call my choices smart. Because of my switch in majors I am going to graduate a year later than I would have. I was just saying perhaps more people like myself who don't want that degree aren't going for it anymore - that the degree was not right for me, not that the program itself should change.
Nice job calling someone an idiot when you can't even understand what was typed. That was the entire point of my post. It might be dying because people who were signing up for it aren't getting what they wanted out of it. That is to say it was just not right for them. I still have to take math classes, I understand why I have to take them. However I don't want a math degree, nor do I have any use for one. I know I am not alone. I went into comp sci at the University of Tennessee along with 2 of my friends. They both ended up in business, I went to a dual major including web development and graphic design. The point of my post was not to chat about my life, I was just using a personal example that related to the story. I guess I will have to note that next time for people like you who can't figure it out.
then they might be failing because they are more math degrees than what I would consider "computer science". That is why I changed my major to web development here. I didn't want a math degree and that is exactly what I was getting.
Great post. I tried using Linux for several years only to finally realize that well... I didn't WANT to use Linux. I develop websites and I was sitting there trying all these Linux tools for what I do only to hate them. I then spent all this time messing around with Crossover (which in all fairness worked pretty well) thinking... why am I doing this? I am going through added layers and to get reduced performance just because I think I should use Linux. I never had any security, virus, or malware issues with Windows, why was I trying to switch?
That is not to say that Linux can't be a great OS. I still use it running Slackware on my home file/backup server. It also has great software support... for some people. I am just not one of them. My critial apps include things like Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Fireworks, and Indesign. I never found a replacement for those on Linux - and I tried many many things. None of them worked better for me. If something doesn't work better, why switch to it?
I fully support OSS, but I do so from my Windows machine and that is the way I like it. I use Firefox, OpenOffice, Filezilla, and Maguma Open Studio - I just do so from the comfort of my Windows machine. Leave Linux to those that need it. Most every OS has upsides and downsides, their is no reason to try and force yourself to use something that doesn't work. Just stick with what works for you. Linux will continue to do just fine either way. Maybe in time it will be suited for every user's needs, but right now no OS is.
So they are saying Linux is the Walmart Windows are they? FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Reset the permissions? I've been running multiple OS X systems since 10.0, and I've never had to "reset the permissions" even once. I'm not even sure I know where to look to do something like that. WTF is he talking about?
Not that I doubt you or dislike Macs (if they weren't so, IMO, overpriced for the power I would love to pick up a Mac), but you can't really judge what the average idiot does on a Mac anymore than you can on Windows. For example I have never had any trouble with viruses on any of my Windows machines. That doesn't really mean windows doesn't have issues with such things.
Now I have no idea what reset the permissions on Appletalk is, so maybe that really is a non-factor in OSX. Only times I have ever used a Mac was in the graphic design programs at university. Just throwing out that you can't really judge overall system issues based on your experience (particularly if you are computer savy). I felt someone should say this because whenever this flamewar comes up people on both sides say "but never happens on my system"! Which really only proves that the problem is between the keyboard and the chair 99% of the time.