private universities can hold their students to any rules they want.... that has nothing to do with race or ethnicity stupid....
but since you bring it up... think they'd let ME into Smith college in massachusetts? (it's women only, by the way)
Men's only:
Hampden-Sydney College Morehouse College Wabash college Beth Medrash Govoha United Talmudical Seminary Holy Trinity Orthodox Seminary Talmudical Institute of Upstate New York
the list goes on into obscurity
Women only: Smith College University of Richmond's Westhampton College H. Sophie Newcomb Memorial College (until Katrina hit)
but no, no admissions board would admit to not allowing minorities in... but you're a fool if you think there isn't disparity in college enrollment and races....
by the way.. what does this have to do with the price of rice in china?
'Buddhism and Taoism are "freedom from religion" in every sense that matters to you people'
B & T are freedom FROM religion you said.... what is religion? since you clearly didn't read what i wrote.... try to follow along...
RELIGION: 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
buddhism and taoism are freedom from devotions, rituals, don't contain any moral code and don't govern the conduct of human affairs?
and what's that bullshit about "you people?" who are my people you ignorant ass.... you don't know who i am, you don't know what i believe.... but you use a phrase like "you people"
maybe you're not as progressive as you think you are... racist fuck....
i'm just going to stop there and not bother to read the rest of your reply, because clearly you're typing out of your ass.....
yeh ok, i lied, i had to read it.... curosity is a problem with me....
"Most of my education was private. Fun fact, though: I can capitalize properly. You clearly cannot. Looks like someone should've paid more attention to their public education."
my public education stopped in the 2nd grade, at which time the rest of my education was private... so, nice try, but you can't assume anything either:) "i can capitalize properly"
i don't care.. you want a cookie? don't cry to me about your religious oppression and then go all grammar nazi on me... hypocrite...
so you've read Thoreau.... have you ever actually read the Bill of Rights?
i'll start you off here with the first ammendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
did you catch that? it's subtle....
freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
you are free to practice whatever religion you want... but there's nothing in there saying others have to stop believing and practicing what they believe simply because YOU do not agree...
"When I pay my taxes, it is a deliberate and conscious choice made after careful consideration, not something I'm doing simply because I'm told."
*yawn* no, you pay your taxes because if you don't you'll be sharing a jail cell with richard hatch...
don't pretend otherwise....
yeh i've never read micheal whatever or ayn rand.... so i don't know where you were going with that...
"You seem to be advocating government"
no... though we've already established that you are ignorant, quick to snap judgements based on zero facts and you can capitalize correctly (i'm taking your word on that one, i'm not going to go through your posts with a fine toothed comb for grammar errors on a/. thread, i'm not an english professor...)
what i'm trying to claim, is that this political correctness bullshit that has pre-occupied this country is a waste of time and resources and it's all bullshit so pompous asses such as your privately educated self can feel good about yourselves... to claim our nation's founding fathers were secular atheists and that the freedoms they guaranteed include the freedom to not be forced to look at christmas trees or menorahs on city greens, or to have the ten commandments engraved in stone in our nation's seat of law is fucking ridiculous.
the united states of america was settled by religious men, it's founding fathers were relig
who has EVER forced you to acknowledge any god or God in the pledge of allegiance? "one nation, under dog..." "one nation, underwear..." insert any word or phrase you like.... "one nation, under canada..." i'd bet MONEY that no one in the government has EVER held a gun to your head and told you to recite "the pledge" and the "God" word or they'd blow your head off...
because if they did, and you held so fast to your beliefs as you claim, you wouldn't be alive to make your asinine reply.
the pledge was written by a baptist minister 118 years ago and "under God" has only been around since 1954.... hell, my parents are older than "under God" if you don't like it, get some like minded friends together, and petition to have it changed... quit your fucking bitching, get off your lazy ass and change YOUR country to reflect YOUR beliefs.... if you don't do anything to try to change it, you have no right to complain about it.
as for your second "argument" so what if your religion is polytheistic? i was raised in a monotheistic religion.... i still say "thank the gods" and "godsdamned ignorant liberal arts drop out dope-head burger flippers posting on slashdot"
all the time, twice on sundays.... why? because my God says i should have no other gods before Him, he doesn't say there AREN'T any other gods.... just that i shouldn't worship them.... so i'll take their names in vain all i want.... fuck apollo... he's a pussy, my God could kick his ass any day of the week.
'none of whom should be called "God?"'
right, because by convention "God" (capital G) is reserved to mean the Jewish-Christianish-Islamish etc... God, as opposed to your average run of the mill gods... so use a small "g" and add an "s" at the end.... "under gods" OR, figure out which god is the god of the USA, and say "under god" meaning under that particular god.... like... Athena is the god(dess) of Athens.... so... you'd pledge to her "one greek state, under god(dess)"
thirdly.... if you don't practice religion then "God" is a word that doesn't mean anything to you... what harm is there in saying it?
freedom of religion in this country is not a joke, YOU are a joke.
have you (assuming you live in the US) ever been outside of the US? have you ever been to a country where MILLIONS of people were slaughtered simply for their religious beliefs?
have you ever stood on the edge of a mass grave reeking with the stench of hundreds of decomposing bodies whose only crime was that they call God "Allah" not "Yahweh?"
i have... and until you've been there, you don't know what discrimination and persecution are, get off your fucking horse you ignorant asshole, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
BYU isn't a public university.... they can make any rules they want... call Gordon College in Massachusetts and ask about their admission policies and the contracts their students sign... whether they live on OR off campus.
i'm sure Providence College has similar policies... that's what religious education institutions do.
if you live in Utah and you don't like the laws, work to change them, if you can't change them, move to another state...
THAT'S WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY!!
once you move out of your mom's basement, you can live anywhere and do anything you want!
Franklin also invented the glass harmonica which was banned due to it's demonic sounds and he flew kites in lightning storms and was a patron of every whorehouse in France... you can't take one quote out of context and use it as the basis of an entire argument... well.. maybe YOU can because you're a fucking moron... as i'll show next...
Buddhism and Taoism aren't systems of beliefs? really? honestly?
re·li·gion  /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ [ri-lij-uhn] –noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice. 7. religions, Archaic. religious rites. 8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
"sects without dogma... blah blah"
Dogma is "a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle." (go buy a dictionary, put the iPhone down you sheep)
"we don't believe anything!"
that in itself is a belief....
a great philosopher once said "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
my tax dollars go to wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, public welfare programs, social security and were GREATLY wasted affording YOU a public education which you clearly gained NOTHING from.... what's the difference between my tax dollars going to all of those things i may or may not believe in, and my tax dollars going to support the Church of the FSM? here's a hint, there is none...
now i'm going to crack one of my economics text books... the government doesn't PRODUCE ANYTHING, the government doesn't GENERATE anything.... it is a sink.... and the government will tax us on anything and everything it can... why? because that's how it acquires the capital to keep itself in power.
the question you are TOTALLY MISSING (as the mindless sheep you are)
is WHY WOULD YOU GIVE ANY OF YOUR "tax dollars" TO THE GOVERNMENT?
no, the whole point of the establishment clause is the government can't say "the official religion of the United States of America is southern baptist and whoever disagrees with southern baptist teachings is going to be put to death"
the government can't pick favorites, you're absolutely correct...
but the government can (and does) support every established religion (tax exempt status)
personally i find evangelical christians distasteful... if i found radical Islamists less distasteful i'd move to Iran... luckily i can deal with those who disagree with me, as long as i have the freedom to believe what i believe... and in THIS country, i do....
ok, go read about the Pilgrims.... the Puritans who fled the CofE so they could do their own thing...
then go check out the constitution of Connecticut, from which the US Constitution was modeled...
MOST of the founding father were evangelical christians... if i had some spare time i could quote which ones, but i have a life.. mostly all of them no doubt owned slaves... which is hard to reconcile with most interpretations of the Christian religions, hence this deist movement...
the FIRST ACT of the First Continental Congress was to open with a prayer:
"O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, (yadda yadda) look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee.
To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care... All this we ask in the name and through the merits of (wait for it)
Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior." (entire text here http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html )
Sounds Christian to me.
Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were... the general principles of Christianity... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?"
The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.
read it here: http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
nope, the Sith were a race of aliens..... the "always there are two" you refer to are the Dark Lords of the Sith... or the Sith Lords, always there are two, a master and an apprentice....
doesn't mean there are ONLY two.... just that there are always two...
wow.... stereotype much? sounds like a racial slur, please comment back letting me know what country you're from so i can ignorantly disparage all of your people as well.
Pssst..... not to be an asshole here.... but this country was FOUNDED, by christians.... we are guaranteed freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.....
their hardware has always been proprietary, why would you expect their software/services to not be? who cares if apple (yet again) cuts their nose off to spite their face.... screw 'em.... the kool-aid drinking Jobs worshipers will buy it because they don't know any better, the rest of us will get a PC based tablet and continue to make fun of "them"
Slashdot Mirror
US Citizen != US Born
there, fixed that for ya....
if you're born in the US, or born to at least one parent who is a US Citizen, then you are a US Citizen....
...In Love and War.
"legal basis for use of the drones"
Really?
private universities can hold their students to any rules they want....
that has nothing to do with race or ethnicity stupid....
but since you bring it up...
think they'd let ME into Smith college in massachusetts? (it's women only, by the way)
Men's only:
Hampden-Sydney College
Morehouse College
Wabash college
Beth Medrash Govoha
United Talmudical Seminary
Holy Trinity Orthodox Seminary
Talmudical Institute of Upstate New York
the list goes on into obscurity
Women only:
Smith College
University of Richmond's Westhampton College
H. Sophie Newcomb Memorial College (until Katrina hit)
but no, no admissions board would admit to not allowing minorities in... but you're a fool if you think there isn't disparity in college enrollment and races....
by the way.. what does this have to do with the price of rice in china?
oi....
:)
/. thread, i'm not an english professor...)
'Buddhism and Taoism are "freedom from religion" in every sense that matters to you people'
B & T are freedom FROM religion you said....
what is religion? since you clearly didn't read what i wrote.... try to follow along...
RELIGION: 1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
buddhism and taoism are freedom from devotions, rituals, don't contain any moral code and don't govern the conduct of human affairs?
and what's that bullshit about "you people?"
who are my people you ignorant ass....
you don't know who i am, you don't know what i believe.... but you use a phrase like "you people"
maybe you're not as progressive as you think you are... racist fuck....
i'm just going to stop there and not bother to read the rest of your reply, because clearly you're typing out of your ass.....
yeh ok, i lied, i had to read it.... curosity is a problem with me....
"Most of my education was private. Fun fact, though: I can capitalize properly. You clearly cannot. Looks like someone should've paid more attention to their public education."
my public education stopped in the 2nd grade, at which time the rest of my education was private... so, nice try, but you can't assume anything either
"i can capitalize properly"
i don't care.. you want a cookie? don't cry to me about your religious oppression and then go all grammar nazi on me... hypocrite...
so you've read Thoreau.... have you ever actually read the Bill of Rights?
i'll start you off here with the first ammendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
did you catch that? it's subtle....
freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
you are free to practice whatever religion you want...
but there's nothing in there saying others have to stop believing and practicing what they believe simply because YOU do not agree...
"When I pay my taxes, it is a deliberate and conscious choice made after careful consideration, not something I'm doing simply because I'm told."
*yawn* no, you pay your taxes because if you don't you'll be sharing a jail cell with richard hatch...
don't pretend otherwise....
yeh i've never read micheal whatever or ayn rand.... so i don't know where you were going with that...
"You seem to be advocating government"
no... though we've already established that you are ignorant, quick to snap judgements based on zero facts and you can capitalize correctly (i'm taking your word on that one, i'm not going to go through your posts with a fine toothed comb for grammar errors on a
what i'm trying to claim, is that this political correctness bullshit that has pre-occupied this country is a waste of time and resources and it's all bullshit so pompous asses such as your privately educated self can feel good about yourselves... to claim our nation's founding fathers were secular atheists and that the freedoms they guaranteed include the freedom to not be forced to look at christmas trees or menorahs on city greens, or to have the ten commandments engraved in stone in our nation's seat of law is fucking ridiculous.
the united states of america was settled by religious men, it's founding fathers were relig
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/03/11/05-17257.pdf
ok... first of all...
who has EVER forced you to acknowledge any god or God in the pledge of allegiance? "one nation, under dog..." "one nation, underwear..." insert any word or phrase you like.... "one nation, under canada..." i'd bet MONEY that no one in the government has EVER held a gun to your head and told you to recite "the pledge" and the "God" word or they'd blow your head off...
because if they did, and you held so fast to your beliefs as you claim, you wouldn't be alive to make your asinine reply.
the pledge was written by a baptist minister 118 years ago and "under God" has only been around since 1954.... hell, my parents are older than "under God" if you don't like it, get some like minded friends together, and petition to have it changed... quit your fucking bitching, get off your lazy ass and change YOUR country to reflect YOUR beliefs.... if you don't do anything to try to change it, you have no right to complain about it.
as for your second "argument" so what if your religion is polytheistic? i was raised in a monotheistic religion.... i still say "thank the gods" and "godsdamned ignorant liberal arts drop out dope-head burger flippers posting on slashdot"
all the time, twice on sundays.... why?
because my God says i should have no other gods before Him, he doesn't say there AREN'T any other gods.... just that i shouldn't worship them.... so i'll take their names in vain all i want.... fuck apollo... he's a pussy, my God could kick his ass any day of the week.
'none of whom should be called "God?"'
right, because by convention "God" (capital G) is reserved to mean the Jewish-Christianish-Islamish etc... God, as opposed to your average run of the mill gods... so use a small "g" and add an "s" at the end.... "under gods" OR, figure out which god is the god of the USA, and say "under god" meaning under that particular god.... like... Athena is the god(dess) of Athens.... so... you'd pledge to her "one greek state, under god(dess)"
thirdly.... if you don't practice religion then "God" is a word that doesn't mean anything to you... what harm is there in saying it?
freedom of religion in this country is not a joke, YOU are a joke.
have you (assuming you live in the US) ever been outside of the US? have you ever been to a country where MILLIONS of people were slaughtered simply for their religious beliefs?
have you ever stood on the edge of a mass grave reeking with the stench of hundreds of decomposing bodies whose only crime was that they call God "Allah" not "Yahweh?"
i have... and until you've been there, you don't know what discrimination and persecution are, get off your fucking horse you ignorant asshole, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
BYU isn't a public university.... they can make any rules they want...
call Gordon College in Massachusetts and ask about their admission policies and the contracts their students sign...
whether they live on OR off campus.
i'm sure Providence College has similar policies... that's what religious education institutions do.
if you live in Utah and you don't like the laws, work to change them, if you can't change them, move to another state...
THAT'S WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY!!
once you move out of your mom's basement, you can live anywhere and do anything you want!
Franklin also invented the glass harmonica which was banned due to it's demonic sounds and he flew kites in lightning storms and was a patron of every whorehouse in France... you can't take one quote out of context and use it as the basis of an entire argument... well.. maybe YOU can because you're a fucking moron... as i'll show next...
Buddhism and Taoism aren't systems of beliefs? really? honestly?
re·li·gion  /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ [ri-lij-uhn]
–noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8.
Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
"sects without dogma... blah blah"
Dogma is "a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle." (go buy a dictionary, put the iPhone down you sheep)
"we don't believe anything!"
that in itself is a belief....
a great philosopher once said "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
my tax dollars go to wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, public welfare programs, social security and were GREATLY wasted affording YOU a public education which you clearly gained NOTHING from.... what's the difference between my tax dollars going to all of those things i may or may not believe in, and my tax dollars going to support the Church of the FSM? here's a hint, there is none...
now i'm going to crack one of my economics text books... the government doesn't PRODUCE ANYTHING, the government doesn't GENERATE anything.... it is a sink.... and the government will tax us on anything and everything it can... why? because that's how it acquires the capital to keep itself in power.
the question you are TOTALLY MISSING (as the mindless sheep you are)
is WHY WOULD YOU GIVE ANY OF YOUR "tax dollars" TO THE GOVERNMENT?
no, the whole point of the establishment clause is the government can't say "the official religion of the United States of America is southern baptist and whoever disagrees with southern baptist teachings is going to be put to death"
the government can't pick favorites, you're absolutely correct...
but the government can (and does) support every established religion (tax exempt status)
personally i find evangelical christians distasteful... if i found radical Islamists less distasteful i'd move to Iran... luckily i can deal with those who disagree with me, as long as i have the freedom to believe what i believe... and in THIS country, i do....
name 5 others where that's possible...
right....
... All this we ask in the name and through the merits of
... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
ok, go read about the Pilgrims.... the Puritans who fled the CofE so they could do their own thing...
then go check out the constitution of Connecticut, from which the US Constitution was modeled...
MOST of the founding father were evangelical christians... if i had some spare time i could quote which ones, but i have a life.. mostly all of them no doubt owned slaves... which is hard to reconcile with most interpretations of the Christian religions, hence this deist movement...
the FIRST ACT of the First Continental Congress was to open with a prayer:
"O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, (yadda yadda) look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee.
To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care
(wait for it)
Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior."
(entire text here http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html )
Sounds Christian to me.
Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were
John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?"
The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.
read it here: http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
Still sounds like a Christian nation.
QED motherfucker
nope, the Sith were a race of aliens.....
the "always there are two" you refer to are the Dark Lords of the Sith... or the Sith Lords,
always there are two, a master and an apprentice....
doesn't mean there are ONLY two....
just that there are always two...
"You Americans"
wow.... stereotype much? sounds like a racial slur, please comment back letting me know what country you're from so i can ignorantly disparage all of your people as well.
Pssst..... not to be an asshole here....
but this country was FOUNDED, by christians....
we are guaranteed freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.....
and also with you
Anyone who chooses to live in an HOA controlled area deserves what they get....
no one is going to tell me what to do with/on my own property....
my home is my castle... cross the moat, and i'll behead you!
does the count for my 50-60 year old neighbor who insists on sunning herself wearing as little as possible?
*shudder*
yeh, you know, the guys who invented computers, robots, floppy disks, cell phone... etc....
their hardware has always been proprietary, why would you expect their software/services to not be?
who cares if apple (yet again) cuts their nose off to spite their face.... screw 'em....
the kool-aid drinking Jobs worshipers will buy it because they don't know any better, the rest of us will get a PC based tablet and continue to make fun of "them"
actually, those of us born in the '70s likely started out with BBSs and compuserve and other such... we'd probably be the "dial-up" generation...
my wife says it exists... so it must....
thank the gods i use comcast?
our technician will come at your location to guide you.
Sounds messy, and they're worried about US offending people? make sure he cleans up after himself when he's done...
in a row?
BURN him!!!!
I AM SPAR... errr... Johannes Buchner!