I have a DRM-free Linux laptop waiting for Zune. I've eschewed the iPod and the Creative Nomad as well as the evil socialist Cowan x5 waiting for this!
I don't think your comment should elicit any pro or anti macintosh rants. Apple's requests for chips from IBM were a very small part of their overall business.
In fact, IIRC, the IBM folks were more than happy to be rid of the Apple peeps, because they were so picky about their designs. IBM decided it would be better to have other customers.
Yeah, yeah, I remember being on Gopher and WAIS back at school. I then remember some BBS having this Mosaic thingy, which I downloaded and seemed to work well. It reminded me of the Hypercard things I was doing a few years previous.
Oh, and as for that client-side scripting....bah!:P
Well, this is draining into a GTK discussion, but I've yet to see a GTK theme engine that doesn't look "blurry" and/or "fuzzy" as well as lacking any brightness. In addition, I've yet to see anyone implement a decent File Open/Save dialog box in a GTK app.
Believe it or not, I use Google's Picasa. They have a dotwine version which works well in *nix. I just can't get FSpot to do anything other than display photos.
Valid comment. (I cannot believe they marked you as flame bait for this.)
There aren't that many Mono users out there yet because of a few reasons. First off, the GIMP toolkit looks like crap. (That's a fact, not an opinion.) The only Mono GUI app I've seen is F-Spot, which I won't use due to its poor UI.
Now that Winforms are supported, maybe peeps on the Wintendo side of things can get a decent looking GUI app built in Mono. I suppose we *nix folks would be stuck with GTK+ apps, but then at least some people would get looks.
I would love to get myself off of the wierdo-language constructs of Java and into C#/Mono, but couldn't until now, without relinquishing some serious L&F qualities.
Again the SDI folks seem to think I like to work only in ways they dictate. Yes, I can have multiple windows open across multipile screens. However, I don't. I'm right now working on a system with a 24" widescreen monitor with KDE set to 1920x1200. However, I have one window - opera - maximized so I can focus on it. The only other "application" I have running is Pan, which is minimized in the task tray. Kicker?
I - like most other people I know - only work on one task at a time. I can very quickly switch tasks using Alt+Tab. I do not want multiple windows of the same application cluttering up my screen(s), no matter what.
Let's take a look at your arguments...
1. Use multiple displays. you can span the parent window across all the displays, but this is cheating, and doesn't accomplish much, as you can't use more than one program in this way.
I don't have the option of multiple displays for the most part. Most of my work is done on my laptop with a 1024x768 display. Most people also don't have multiple displays. I used to but then traded it in for the 24" monitor.
When I did have mulitple displays, I never spanned an app across multiple windows. I would maximize one app in the left display and have maybe one or two others in the right.
2. Work between applications on a single display. Yes you can task switch, but it is much more practical to have your entire workflow on screen, if you can't do this with an SDI, you haven't got enough display real estate.
When I'm working on a graphics app. That's all I'm doing. There are no other items to distract me. I don't need to have my "workflow" up to annoy me. When I'm done with my file, I save it, open Konqueror and ftp it uup to the web, or print it or do something. Using the SDI model, I'm forced to close down three or four windows in order to guess which one will actually kill the app.
3. Partition application across Pages. This isn't doable with an MDI, period. Often times you need to use the same application for multiple tasks, it is often handy to sticky the main Gimp toolbox and floaters, and move between Pages when you change tasks.
Again, you're assuming people actually USE multiple pages. Some do, I'm sure. I do not. I actually do not work with anybody who actually does use multiple pages either in *nix or Wintendo. Null argument.
4. Arrange windows efficiently. As you have all your windows trapped inside one stupid box (which btw, doesn't serve any function), you can't put other windows in the gaps, as as soon as you go to work.
When I have only one MDI app to open, I don't need to "arrange windows efficiently" because they're arranged for me. Look at Opera or NetBeans or - dare say it - MS Visual Studio. Very nicely organized UI.
Now, I'm not trying to tell you that you must use a MDI interface. I'm just trying to tell them that I would like one and that the majority of us would also like the option.
Oh, wait, I was just trying to troll. Nevermind.:)
And this is the typical response I get. Instead of giving me options (hello? open source?) I am told to (a) live with it or (b) change how I work because "we think we know better than you."
I think there's a future at small software company in Redmond for people like that.
I think GIMP is a fantastic cross-platform photo manipulation tool. I had been using and advocating it for awhile now. In fact, all the logos on my sites were done with the GIMP Script-Fu routines.
HOWEVER - I am still sick of the horrendous UI that is presented to me. No matter how many times I argue with the developers and the "holier than thou" Gnome community, I cannot see their reasoning for a trashy un-comforting UI. Make a MDI interface and they will come. I see no reason why they couldn't have a two-option interface. SDI for the really geeky people and MDI for us normal users.
GIMPShop was a nice step in the right direction. Now, fix the bloody UI and the File Open/Save dialog (talk about garbage!) and you'd have a decent app.
Oh, wait - Krita is out. Oh - it doesn't work on Windows, and I still use Windows once in a while. Bummer.
Okay, guys, mark me down as a troll. I've said what I feel. GIMP could be a great tool, if only the developers would get off their respective high horses and listen to us normal users.
Honestly, I've been using SUSE for a few years now as my full-time system. I couldn't tell you that I was using reiser except for the fact that I read up on this.
In other words, for most of us everyday SUSE users, I doubt a switch from Reiser to EXT or JFS or whatever will mean anything. As long as my system works and works faster than Wintendo, I'm happy.
Very simple to figure out how to hack these machines. Put Joe User on the system and in five minutes, I guarantee you the home page will be set to a pr0n site and the next thing you know, all his bases are belong to us.
As the other guy mentioned 333 were bugs. From the article... 1,222 changes have gone into the release between 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 and 333 bugs have been marked as closed.
So basically they fixed 300 bugs and added 900 features. I'd be willing to bet that many of those are language enhancements that will never be seen by anyone except testers, since most peeps will be using KDE with one language.
I can't wait for the Gnome camp to come out of hibernation now and start spouting how evil KDE is and how they need to die, yada...yada...yada...
You know, first it was some Chinese emporer trying to burn the bamboo parchment, then it was Nixon trying to erase tapes (remember those?) from his private discussions. Then it is Ley trying to shred documents and emails. Now it is congressman trying to hide behind the idea that the net is fleeting.
My guess is that in fifty or so years, some senator will be brought down not knowing the two way VOIP product was archiving everything at some central server.
Maybe he should have talked to Senator Gore, who invented the thing. He'd know where all the super sekret filez are kept.
I agree with that assessment. However, I think the sensationalizing of these reports - in order to stroke the egos of a few uber h4xx0rz - is a bad idea and prone to turn off more voters than necessary. Simply stating that there may be flaws wiht any given voting system is poor judgement. Stating that there are flaws and that steps have been taken to rectify them - as in Los Angeles County - is better.
This kind of sensationalist crap just really makes me sick. Free clue, everyone: YOU CAN HACK ANY VOTING SYSTEM OUT THERE!!!
I wish people would concentrate on why it is - at least here in California - close to 70% of the people eligible to vote simply don't. To me, that is a far worse issue than some pathetic attempt at switching votes.
Wow, I read this article. I see if I were to buy a Zune, I'd be able to share songs and unlimited pictures with all my friends and co-workers. That is so very incredible. I can genuinely see this as a category killer. I mean, just like my Palm Pilot (I currently have a Zire 72) which has this IR transfer thingy. I've found it so useful. In fact, since I've owned a Palm - about eight years - I've used that, um....
Well, I'll have to give it a go. My 10.1 laptop is pretty much FUBAR right now, and I need to reinstall. I may as well go with this, since I'm interested in such things as http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/linux_dvd_scooby .jpg DVD playback and http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/desktop+mp3 .jpg MP3 playback. I can do it on SUSE but I'd love to have an officially supported player so that the Men In Black don't show up at my door. (It freaked me out enough, when a bunch showed up at work the other week. Turned out to be a visit by Michael Chertoff for somethingoranother in the building next door.)
As I said, I'd been jaded by the bad press about Lindows/Linspire, but if it is a solid distro with good hardware support and easy administration, that's what I want. My 64-year-old mother's been using SuSE 9.2 for over a year now. If this works, I might get her to migrate to Linspire as well. She finds administring even with YaST very challenging.
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I have a DRM-free Linux laptop waiting for Zune. I've eschewed the iPod and the Creative Nomad as well as the evil socialist Cowan x5 waiting for this!
Say it isn't so!!!
I don't think your comment should elicit any pro or anti macintosh rants. Apple's requests for chips from IBM were a very small part of their overall business.
In fact, IIRC, the IBM folks were more than happy to be rid of the Apple peeps, because they were so picky about their designs. IBM decided it would be better to have other customers.
Yeah, yeah, I remember being on Gopher and WAIS back at school. I then remember some BBS having this Mosaic thingy, which I downloaded and seemed to work well. It reminded me of the Hypercard things I was doing a few years previous. Oh, and as for that client-side scripting....bah! :P
I thought he brought it out in the '70s. Hmm!
Learn something new every day...
I'd like to mark this story as -1, troll. Can I do that?
/me shakes head
What a waste of space!
Well, this is draining into a GTK discussion, but I've yet to see a GTK theme engine that doesn't look "blurry" and/or "fuzzy" as well as lacking any brightness. In addition, I've yet to see anyone implement a decent File Open/Save dialog box in a GTK app.
'nuff said.
Believe it or not, I use Google's Picasa. They have a dotwine version which works well in *nix. I just can't get FSpot to do anything other than display photos.
Valid comment. (I cannot believe they marked you as flame bait for this.)
There aren't that many Mono users out there yet because of a few reasons. First off, the GIMP toolkit looks like crap. (That's a fact, not an opinion.) The only Mono GUI app I've seen is F-Spot, which I won't use due to its poor UI.
Now that Winforms are supported, maybe peeps on the Wintendo side of things can get a decent looking GUI app built in Mono. I suppose we *nix folks would be stuck with GTK+ apps, but then at least some people would get looks.
I would love to get myself off of the wierdo-language constructs of Java and into C#/Mono, but couldn't until now, without relinquishing some serious L&F qualities.
I'd really like to see it. I bet it goes something like, "what's this stupid web thingy anyway? I bet it'll never make it to version 2.0..."
...one person responded to the question, "do you download music?"
The answer was, "no."
To the question, "have you bought any music?" the answer was, "no"
To the question, "why?" the answer was, "because there's nothing worth buying or downloading."
This poll has a margin of error or 50%.
Thank you all!
I'd comment, but I'm kind of blurry eyed from 12 hours of straight non-stop news feeds and blog reading.
Again the SDI folks seem to think I like to work only in ways they dictate. Yes, I can have multiple windows open across multipile screens. However, I don't. I'm right now working on a system with a 24" widescreen monitor with KDE set to 1920x1200. However, I have one window - opera - maximized so I can focus on it. The only other "application" I have running is Pan, which is minimized in the task tray. Kicker?
I - like most other people I know - only work on one task at a time. I can very quickly switch tasks using Alt+Tab. I do not want multiple windows of the same application cluttering up my screen(s), no matter what.
Let's take a look at your arguments...
1. Use multiple displays. you can span the parent window across all the displays, but this is cheating, and doesn't accomplish much, as you can't use more than one program in this way.
I don't have the option of multiple displays for the most part. Most of my work is done on my laptop with a 1024x768 display. Most people also don't have multiple displays. I used to but then traded it in for the 24" monitor.
When I did have mulitple displays, I never spanned an app across multiple windows. I would maximize one app in the left display and have maybe one or two others in the right.
2. Work between applications on a single display. Yes you can task switch, but it is much more practical to have your entire workflow on screen, if you can't do this with an SDI, you haven't got enough display real estate.
When I'm working on a graphics app. That's all I'm doing. There are no other items to distract me. I don't need to have my "workflow" up to annoy me. When I'm done with my file, I save it, open Konqueror and ftp it uup to the web, or print it or do something. Using the SDI model, I'm forced to close down three or four windows in order to guess which one will actually kill the app.
3. Partition application across Pages. This isn't doable with an MDI, period. Often times you need to use the same application for multiple tasks, it is often handy to sticky the main Gimp toolbox and floaters, and move between Pages when you change tasks.
Again, you're assuming people actually USE multiple pages. Some do, I'm sure. I do not. I actually do not work with anybody who actually does use multiple pages either in *nix or Wintendo. Null argument.
4. Arrange windows efficiently. As you have all your windows trapped inside one stupid box (which btw, doesn't serve any function), you can't put other windows in the gaps, as as soon as you go to work.
When I have only one MDI app to open, I don't need to "arrange windows efficiently" because they're arranged for me. Look at Opera or NetBeans or - dare say it - MS Visual Studio. Very nicely organized UI.
Now, I'm not trying to tell you that you must use a MDI interface. I'm just trying to tell them that I would like one and that the majority of us would also like the option.
Oh, wait, I was just trying to troll. Nevermind. :)
And this is the typical response I get. Instead of giving me options (hello? open source?) I am told to (a) live with it or (b) change how I work because "we think we know better than you."
I think there's a future at small software company in Redmond for people like that.
I think GIMP is a fantastic cross-platform photo manipulation tool. I had been using and advocating it for awhile now. In fact, all the logos on my sites were done with the GIMP Script-Fu routines.
HOWEVER - I am still sick of the horrendous UI that is presented to me. No matter how many times I argue with the developers and the "holier than thou" Gnome community, I cannot see their reasoning for a trashy un-comforting UI. Make a MDI interface and they will come. I see no reason why they couldn't have a two-option interface. SDI for the really geeky people and MDI for us normal users.
GIMPShop was a nice step in the right direction. Now, fix the bloody UI and the File Open/Save dialog (talk about garbage!) and you'd have a decent app.
Oh, wait - Krita is out. Oh - it doesn't work on Windows, and I still use Windows once in a while. Bummer.
Okay, guys, mark me down as a troll. I've said what I feel. GIMP could be a great tool, if only the developers would get off their respective high horses and listen to us normal users.
Honestly, I've been using SUSE for a few years now as my full-time system. I couldn't tell you that I was using reiser except for the fact that I read up on this.
In other words, for most of us everyday SUSE users, I doubt a switch from Reiser to EXT or JFS or whatever will mean anything. As long as my system works and works faster than Wintendo, I'm happy.
Oh, and for the record - I think OJ did it.
Very simple to figure out how to hack these machines. Put Joe User on the system and in five minutes, I guarantee you the home page will be set to a pr0n site and the next thing you know, all his bases are belong to us.
As the other guy mentioned 333 were bugs. From the article... 1,222 changes have gone into the release between 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 and 333 bugs have been marked as closed.
So basically they fixed 300 bugs and added 900 features. I'd be willing to bet that many of those are language enhancements that will never be seen by anyone except testers, since most peeps will be using KDE with one language.
I can't wait for the Gnome camp to come out of hibernation now and start spouting how evil KDE is and how they need to die, yada...yada...yada...
This is surprising. I was always under the impression that all government computers were infected by bots.
Oh, wait - my bad. I thought it said that all government computers were operated by bots.
Nevermind.
You know, first it was some Chinese emporer trying to burn the bamboo parchment, then it was Nixon trying to erase tapes (remember those?) from his private discussions. Then it is Ley trying to shred documents and emails. Now it is congressman trying to hide behind the idea that the net is fleeting.
My guess is that in fifty or so years, some senator will be brought down not knowing the two way VOIP product was archiving everything at some central server.
Maybe he should have talked to Senator Gore, who invented the thing. He'd know where all the super sekret filez are kept.
[soapbox]
I agree with that assessment. However, I think the sensationalizing of these reports - in order to stroke the egos of a few uber h4xx0rz - is a bad idea and prone to turn off more voters than necessary. Simply stating that there may be flaws wiht any given voting system is poor judgement. Stating that there are flaws and that steps have been taken to rectify them - as in Los Angeles County - is better.
[/soapbox]This kind of sensationalist crap just really makes me sick. Free clue, everyone: YOU CAN HACK ANY VOTING SYSTEM OUT THERE!!!
I wish people would concentrate on why it is - at least here in California - close to 70% of the people eligible to vote simply don't. To me, that is a far worse issue than some pathetic attempt at switching votes.
Remember: The real risk to your vote is apathy.
Wow, I read this article. I see if I were to buy a Zune, I'd be able to share songs and unlimited pictures with all my friends and co-workers. That is so very incredible. I can genuinely see this as a category killer. I mean, just like my Palm Pilot (I currently have a Zire 72) which has this IR transfer thingy. I've found it so useful. In fact, since I've owned a Palm - about eight years - I've used that, um....
I seem to remember this information coming to light about a year or more ago. In fact, here is a MSNBC article on it from March '05.
Did I miss something?
Bueller... Bueller?
LOL!
Um, what's SSH? What's Lynx? I don't see it under All Programs - Accessories - Communications
Can I get to that under My Computer / My Pictures?
As I said, I'd been jaded by the bad press about Lindows/Linspire, but if it is a solid distro with good hardware support and easy administration, that's what I want. My 64-year-old mother's been using SuSE 9.2 for over a year now. If this works, I might get her to migrate to Linspire as well. She finds administring even with YaST very challenging.