Actually, my first experience with Linux was totally end-user. I bought the Yggdrasil Plug-and-Play Linux (first release- the plain white book with green print on the cover), plugged it into my 486 with the 1x CD-ROM drive and a Sound Blaster Pro, and it booted up, running off the CD. I remember that it played music on my sound card as it came up to the login prompt.
That was in 1993.
It took some time for it to sink in what I had, but it was definitely an end-user experience, not a techie thing at all. Of course I graduated to Slackware when I finally figured out what I was doing. . . The early Yggdrasil was a great demo-version, though, for it's time.
All good stuff, mind you, but I can't help but remember back when I bought an Atari 600. It came on the market bigtime. The thing is, the project was cancelled a few months later. So all that was ever avaiable for the machine was the keyboard/cpu thing. No software, no peripherals, no support of any kind.
That could happen again with the K7. The CPU by itself is just a fancy piece of metal and ceramic (plastic??). Since this isn't a plug-in replacement, it will require chipset and motherboard support. It will require foundry capacity to produce it. Intel has monstrous foundry capacity to compete with. Some would even say their production capacity is one of Intel's main strengths.
It's important to remember that David required backup from God to take down Goliath. AMD doesn't have anything like that behind them.
Heck, if it becomes fast enough, maybe you can compile two kernels at once! Or four! It's such an exciting prospect. End users all over the planet will discover how fast they can compile their kernel and their daily productivity will soar.
I don't think the previous writer meant to say that at all.
Every culture has differences. Many traditional cultures have what might be viewed as a more 'open' attitude about sex, but you'd quickly find they have their own taboos, which I am certain you'd object to at least as much as the 'puritanical' culture we live in.
Don't patronize other cultures by treating them like "the pure innocent happy natives" we could be if we just had more orgies. It's offensive.
You should seriously be considering DR-DOS as an alternative. It can be downloaded and freely installed on computers in non-profit settings. It's a good plug-in replacement for DOS on that older gear ('286 and earlier). It's downloadable from Caldera.
Linux is of course an alternative, but sometimes it might be teaching the wrong lesson to have a big complex OS on equipment around children. They're bound to want to do things to the machine, and something plain like DOS is far more tolerant of the twice (or four times) a day a kid unplugs the machine. Kids don't need to learn early that computers are big scary things that had better be touched only very carefully. That isn't the world they'll be moving out into as adults.
Unless each room is going to be equipped with a Linux sysadmin, all I can see happening with Linux in a young children's classroom is failure and eventually a "keep your hands off, kids" protective attitude by the adults involved.
there are likely to be two classes of people (ala Shockwave Rider by John Brunner) - those in the know and the poor.
There was a short piece in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago that I scanned, turned into PDF and sent to friends and relatives. It talked about 'computer literacy' efforts, and that it would be a serious mistake to waste resources teaching kids specific skills (i.e. how to use MS Office, or browse the WWW) with today's tools, because it's such an ever changing world that all that knowledge will be obsolete by the time the kids reach adulthood.
I think the point being made is correct, and that it's far more important to teach children basic skills, including some exposure to computers and probably some programming. I also think it's a serious error to spend huge amounts of money on computing equipment to "get every classroom onto the Internet" when there are immediate needs for basic textbooks, etc. which to my mind should be a far higher priority (but then, consultants don't grab all kinds of money wiring a classroom so textbooks can be installed).
Yes, there are definitely companies much worse that Microsoft~1. One thing that I can't get at all is why the government should be defending one of two big bloated all-encompassing WWW browser companies (Netscape) against the other. It seems to me like two giants fighting. And the rest of us getting stomped.
Almost certainly not the NT 2000 development team.
Remember, it's a big company, and they doubtless have departments for all sorts of diverse tasks. I doubt if the department that develops NT 2000 and the department that develops the MSCE curriculum are even in the same building.
So it's come to the point where "Anonymous Coward" can send in a submission about a website and get tons of publicity by it being made into a News Article on Slashdot?
In a "pure capitalism" world, the GPL would only be worth the paper it was printed on. And there would be 1200 or so forks to the source. Novell, Apple, Microsoft and IBM would all be pushing their own flavors of Linux.
If you're gonna take down 'the system,' remember that your stuff is open game too.
I'd predict, since it's likely on campus at Redmond, that they have no need to contract any MSCE's to run the test site. I suspect the NT2000 development team is involved.
This isn't a Linux Advocacy newsgroup. This is a place for us all to batt around ideas. I use Linux, NetBSD, Solaris, OS/2, NT, Win95, Win98 and DOS on a regular basis at my job and at home. (the project I work on includes a Makefile that runs a build on both OS/2 and Solaris across a network- scary, eh?)
This site, and the discussions on this site, are often OpenSource and Free Software oriented. That is all fine and well. I sure wouldn't waste my time coming here if this was just another Ziff-Davis scene.
I've never heard anybody at the management level of this Website say it was a Linux only site.
You can buy the "lite" version of Interix for $99 (or you could, the intro offer might not be available any longer). It doesn't bring you to a C:\ prompt, it brings you to a/bin/tcsh, because Interix is an entire POSIX compliant API layer for NT. You also get GCC, and you can compile and run X11 apps on Interix. The "lite" version doesn't come with Motif or an X Server, but the more expensive "full" version does. You install a telnetd as a 'service' and it also has an ftpd that works pretty well. And you can port over and build bash and all sorts of Unix code.
It seems sorta odd funny to open up an Xterm (with a tcsh prompt) or various other x apps on your NT box and display it on your Linux desktop, but I have done such things with Interix. All the 'standard' X apps are there too, i.e. xclock, xeyes, etc.
I believe they are still giving away a time-limited 'demo' version if you want to evaluate it. It just requires a serial number (probably being passed around in the warez scene) to unlock it permanently. I bought a copy myself.
For a time (from early on, actually) Be ran on Apple's hardware. But Apple has clearly and publicly shut Be out of their hardware for the forseeable future (not releasing any hardware specs, and openly showing hostility towards Be). I think even the Be enthusiasts have written off the Apple hardware and PPC port. (feel free to correct me if you're closer to the pulse on this matter- hey, I wouldn't mind learning different).
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My turntable makes 33-1/3 revolutions each minute. How many revolutions does your hard drive make each minute?
Keep on spinning around, dude.
In which country is a ten year old boy getting "boned" legal?
What about erotic depictions of seven year olds?
I find anything of the nature repulsive, and I suspect the same would be said in many of the countries aforementioned.
Actually, maybe the justice department should look into it. It seems these people are only distributing Netscape, and not also IE on the CD.
(just kidding, obviously there is no IE for Linux to put on the CD)
Actually, my first experience with Linux was totally end-user. I bought the Yggdrasil Plug-and-Play Linux (first release- the plain white book with green print on the cover), plugged it into my 486 with the 1x CD-ROM drive and a Sound Blaster Pro, and it booted up, running off the CD. I remember that it played music on my sound card as it came up to the login prompt.
That was in 1993.
It took some time for it to sink in what I had, but it was definitely an end-user experience, not a techie thing at all. Of course I graduated to Slackware when I finally figured out what I was doing. . . The early Yggdrasil was a great demo-version, though, for it's time.
Amazon is almost NEVER the cheapest. Tell us something new.
Amazon is just the spammest. Links in the face everywhere.
All good stuff, mind you, but I can't help but remember back when I bought an Atari 600. It came on the market bigtime. The thing is, the project was cancelled a few months later. So all that was ever avaiable for the machine was the keyboard/cpu thing. No software, no peripherals, no support of any kind.
That could happen again with the K7. The CPU by itself is just a fancy piece of metal and ceramic (plastic??). Since this isn't a plug-in replacement, it will require chipset and motherboard support. It will require foundry capacity to produce it. Intel has monstrous foundry capacity to compete with. Some would even say their production capacity is one of Intel's main strengths.
It's important to remember that David required backup from God to take down Goliath. AMD doesn't have anything like that behind them.
Heck, if it becomes fast enough, maybe you can compile two kernels at once! Or four! It's such an exciting prospect. End users all over the planet will discover how fast they can compile their kernel and their daily productivity will soar.
Don't you really mean it will be like the NEC V-20 old days?
The '486 is relatively new.
I don't think the previous writer meant to say that at all.
Every culture has differences. Many traditional cultures have what might be viewed as a more 'open' attitude about sex, but you'd quickly find they have their own taboos, which I am certain you'd object to at least as much as the 'puritanical' culture we live in.
Don't patronize other cultures by treating them like "the pure innocent happy natives" we could be if we just had more orgies. It's offensive.
You should seriously be considering DR-DOS as an alternative. It can be downloaded and freely installed on computers in non-profit settings. It's a good plug-in replacement for DOS on that older gear ('286 and earlier). It's downloadable from Caldera.
Linux is of course an alternative, but sometimes it might be teaching the wrong lesson to have a big complex OS on equipment around children.
They're bound to want to do things to the machine, and something plain like DOS is far more tolerant of the twice (or four times) a day a kid unplugs the machine. Kids don't need to learn early that computers are big scary things that had better be touched only very carefully. That isn't the world they'll be moving out into as adults.
Unless each room is going to be equipped with a Linux sysadmin, all I can see happening with Linux in a young children's classroom is failure and eventually a "keep your hands off, kids" protective attitude by the adults involved.
there are likely to be two classes of people (ala Shockwave Rider by John Brunner) - those in the know and the poor.
There was a short piece in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago that I scanned, turned into PDF and sent to friends and relatives. It talked about 'computer literacy' efforts, and that it would be a serious mistake to waste resources teaching kids specific skills (i.e. how to use MS Office, or browse the WWW) with today's tools, because it's such an ever changing world that all that knowledge will be obsolete by the time the kids reach adulthood.
I think the point being made is correct, and that it's far more important to teach children basic skills, including some exposure to computers and probably some programming. I also think it's a serious error to spend huge amounts of money on computing equipment to "get every classroom onto the Internet" when there are immediate needs for basic textbooks, etc. which to my mind should be a far higher priority (but then, consultants don't grab all kinds of money wiring a classroom so textbooks can be installed).
You don't have a clue about how business is conducted, do you?
You'd be laughed right out of any corporate boardroom in America with an attitude like that.
Yes, there are definitely companies much worse that Microsoft~1. One thing that I can't get at all is why the government should be defending one of two big bloated all-encompassing WWW browser companies (Netscape) against the other. It seems to me like two giants fighting. And the rest of us getting stomped.
Almost certainly not the NT 2000 development team.
Remember, it's a big company, and they doubtless have departments for all sorts of diverse tasks. I doubt if the department that develops NT 2000 and the department that develops the MSCE curriculum are even in the same building.
So it's come to the point where "Anonymous Coward" can send in a submission about a website and get tons of publicity by it being made into a News Article on Slashdot?
Seems ridiculous.
In a "pure capitalism" world, the GPL would only be worth the paper it was printed on. And there would be 1200 or so forks to the source. Novell, Apple, Microsoft and IBM would all be pushing their own flavors of Linux.
If you're gonna take down 'the system,' remember that your stuff is open game too.
I've been switching to more and more Solaris boxes with Samba at work
That must mean you're providing rock-solid servers to more and more Windows 9x and NT desktop machines, right?
Everybody has known for quite some time that Unix makes a pretty darn good server platform. Sounds like you support a lot of Windows desktop machines.
I'd predict, since it's likely on campus at Redmond, that they have no need to contract any MSCE's to run the test site. I suspect the NT2000 development team is involved.
This isn't a Linux Advocacy newsgroup. This is a place for us all to batt around ideas. I use Linux, NetBSD, Solaris, OS/2, NT, Win95, Win98 and DOS on a regular basis at my job and at home. (the project I work on includes a Makefile that runs a build on both OS/2 and Solaris across a network- scary, eh?)
This site, and the discussions on this site, are often OpenSource and Free Software oriented. That is all fine and well. I sure wouldn't waste my time coming here if this was just another Ziff-Davis scene.
I've never heard anybody at the management level of this Website say it was a Linux only site.
You can buy the "lite" version of Interix for $99 (or you could, the intro offer might not be available any longer). It doesn't bring you to a C:\ prompt, it brings you to a /bin/tcsh, because Interix is an entire POSIX compliant API layer for NT. You also get GCC, and you can compile and run X11 apps on Interix. The "lite" version doesn't come with Motif or an X Server, but the more expensive "full" version does. You install a telnetd as a 'service' and it also has an ftpd that works pretty well. And you can port over and build bash and all sorts of Unix code.
It seems sorta odd funny to open up an Xterm (with a tcsh prompt) or various other x apps on your NT box and display it on your Linux desktop, but I have done such things with Interix. All the 'standard' X apps are there too, i.e. xclock, xeyes, etc.
I believe they are still giving away a time-limited 'demo' version if you want to evaluate it.
It just requires a serial number (probably being passed around in the warez scene) to unlock it permanently. I bought a copy myself.
http://www.interix.com
For a time (from early on, actually) Be ran on Apple's hardware. But Apple has clearly and publicly shut Be out of their hardware for the forseeable future (not releasing any hardware specs, and openly showing hostility towards Be). I think even the Be enthusiasts have written off the Apple hardware and PPC port. (feel free to correct me if you're closer to the pulse on this matter- hey, I wouldn't mind learning different).
The whole world is watching, but what they're seeing is "Not-Microsoft." That's a far cry from "Linux."
Provoking a revolution?
Get up on one foot and spin around in the air.
There, you're revolving.
My apologies to the drug impaired who fall on their faces attempting the above manouvre.
"Big Money" ?
That would be things like a sack of pennies worth fifty bucks, as opposed to a little fifty dollar bill. Right?
(or were you throwing bromides around?)