I'd like to see a breakdown of installed panel costs. I'm guessing the cells aren't a big factor. There's a cottage industry of people charging quite a lot of money to do the install work, and the aluminum back panel, framework edges, and glass "must" cost at least as much as a standard external "storm" door of similar quality and dimensions despite having the annoying internal electrical connections and having to be waterproof. I'm guessing that the installed cost of a panel without cells would already be something like 90% of the cost of an actual working panel, so I donno if dropping cell costs is going to have much of an effect on the overall viability of solar.
Its analogous to automotive costs, where there's a fixation on the cost of union labor, ignoring the fact that the labor cost per vehicle is already only like one grand per vehicle, so even if a miracle robot assembled trucks for free with no mistakes no capex and no maintenance, a 4x4 crew cab pickup truck would only drop in price from $60K to $59K or whatever. I'm not sure if "public enemy #1" of the solar (or automotive) industry, at least in the popular press, is the real enemy.
I'd much rather see a java implementation using lots and lots of redstone. Then you could theoretically run minecraft on minecraft in infinite regression. This could cause the end of the world so I'd be careful.
That's actually a pretty good point, in that the review didn't even list what each chapter was about, but one of the chapters should be dealing with peculiar collision of cultures like never seen before, as per the above brilliant post/troll/whatever it is. Given "social" is in the title of the book you'd think moderation or lack thereof would be an interesting part of the book.
There's some interesting homonyms in the review, like "obvious" for "oblivious" and I don't even know what the "manifest" line WRT the price means.
It does strike me as a problem when intro level textbooks cost more than just hiring an unemployed grad student for a couple tutoring sessions. Soon, textbook prices will average over $250 each and at that point I believe I could personally individually tutor someone of average intelligence better than any textbook could teach them. Or at $50/hr I could search for, edit, print, and collate wikipedia articles for five hours, which would probably result in a better text than your average ghostwriter.
By the time textbooks exceed $500 each, probably another 5 years or so, instead of hiring a goofball like me you'll be able to hire actual authors, cutting out the middlemen completely. I believe bespoke textbooks are the wave of the future, and someone should start a dotcom to facilitate them.
Does python still use whitespace as part of control flow structures? Ugh. I don't want to be the guy who posts the equivalent of "mysql doesn't have transactions" over and over in 2013, but I can't be bothered to keep up with a language I don't use, either.
It is however a fact that Python at least USED TO BE in a really bad neighborhood, sandwiched in between COBOL and FORTRAN in the "compiler really cares a lot about whitespace" ghetto, even if they've fixed it since then. I'd rather write a million parenthesis in LISP.
You would probably find googling for N8VEM SBC v2 to be very interesting. S100 lives! as does a eurocard connector-ized version of the same idea, more or less.
I have the partially assembled system on my workbench. I need a nice blizzard to keep me inside soldering, that'll take care of it. Its all antique thru-hole instead of modern SMD which I find harder to work with and certainly much bigger but its no big deal.
Add in connector resistance
At least the n8vem design has a standard pc molex on the ecb cpu board. Don't need to, but you can dump power in that way. Very much like a modern graphics card having a dedicated power line rather than drawing current from the motherboard.
In the early 90s one of our mainframes blew a CPU, so the IBM CE replaced it while the system continued running. Zero reboot time because it wasn't rebooted. Much like you can swap hard drives in a NAS array while it runs.
There's really nothing new in IT. Couple years back a VMware image of mine got moved to another machine mostly seemlessly. Oh it was "frozen/down" for a minute or so but promptly unfroze on the new hardware. Not nearly as advanced as the mainframe was 20 years ago, but someday modern IT might be that advanced again... or maybe not, hard to say.
This will revolutionise electricity generation in such diverse fields as, uh... space craft and... um... space stations.
Aerospace uses non-flexible crystalline at about twice the power output, because what matters is more or less watts/Kg. For non-panel satellites with cells mounted right on the satellite body, what really matters is watts/sq meter.
Old enough to really enjoy the video game arcade but too old to be impressed with some dude in a chuckie costume posing for pictures. I'd guess about 10 yrs old. Then again for a toddler to maybe 5 yr old, seeing the mascot walk around seems pretty cool to them.
Kind of like how kids about that age don't believe in Santa anymore and are not going to do the "sit on his lap" thing, but they're still pretty cool with opening presents...
any similar emotion that might make me venture in again
Well, aside from clientele issues previously mentioned which boil down to, train your bartenders to not serve liquor to dirtbags, its basically an arcade/carnival/state fair/amusement park experience, indoors... I can see how you'd be very unhappy if someone tricked you into thinking its a gourmet suit and tie fine dining establishment, but its not much different or worse than the state/county fair carnival area experience.
Either that, or they will release Xbox 8 as an "upgrade".
Sigh.
Too late. More likely purchase Valve/steam and both "windows 9" and "xbox 9" will fundamentally be a ubuntu install with a linux steam client. The difference is "windows 9" installs on any old PC hardware, whereas "xbox 9" will be hardware with ubuntu/steam already installed and guaranteed working drivers etc. Port Office9 to a steam application, and let the dough roll in. There's no point paying devs to make something "like ubuntu" if ubuntu will release it for free, but there is money to be made in integration, training, support, etc. They'll have to walk the fine line between selling support contracts and putting out a great web presence.
Yes that's my point, there is too much traffic of that nature "out on the real inet" to bother with UNLESS you're using specific rules to filter just to "get" one guy.
Its a bit spammy, like reporting everyone who looked at your front door as a potential burglar. That might even work in the deepest back hills of Montana 200 miles from the nearest city. But the internet hasn't been like that since the early 90s, maybe earlier, so its like being on a busy Manhattan street and reporting every passerby who glances at your front office door as a crook.
Gonna have to explain that one further. Locally when the weather is bad, its by far the cheapest place to take the whole family for "fun" which also has a liquor license, so the local cops are continually breaking up fights between dirtbags, which is not exactly great PR so its driving everyone except the dirtbags away. "Oh you went to CeC last night, were the cops there?" Basically if mom and/or dad are prime dive bar customers, but they have the kids that weekend, they can go to CeC and get drunk while the kids play. On the other hand its actually a pretty nice place to visit early enough in the day before the parents get drunk. If they would just close around sundown or so it would result in much higher class/lower crime clientele. Also the local news rag is offended that they aren't paying for enough advertising, so they highlight every minor problem to "motivate" them to purchase more advertising...
I'm guessing the analogy is something like Atari is more fun when you're drunk/baked or ?
Governments shouldn't try to tax what they don't possess or control.
What about the substantial costs of identity theft? Obviously it costs.gov "something" every time a database of personal and/or financial data gets stolen. The amounts are exceeding what judgment proof skript kiddies could ever pay back. So a company in the business of gathering data which will cost various levels of.gov a substantial amount of money when the corporation system of security via obscurity or security via intimidation fails. The.gov should be able to collect some tax if corporate activity is creating a liability for them. No different than various road tax schemes or numerous environmental taxes/fees/permits. Cleanup costs money.
I would totally support this taxation idea WRT gathering "identity theft" grade data.
Most.gov have a very imperial view of what they possess and control anyway, regardless of whatever patriotic PR freedom campaign they indoctrinate their youth with. All people withing the borders are subjects to be used at the whim of the state. All property is owned by the state, go ahead and try not paying your taxes and see what happens to "your" property.
So you rely primarily on security thru obscurity and hope that genuine bad guys would never scan you? That's pretty scary.
The funniest part is I've been putting up with scans/etc since the early 90s and it doesn't take long to figure out that almost all of them come from compromised systems, usually from another country. A local guy easily traced almost by definition is on your side, because a real bad guy would be coming from a rooted machine in.cn or something essentially untraceable like that. In other words if you can find and talk to the guy in "minutes" as per the story, he's probably on your side or at worse is a hopeless noob script kiddie who's no more harmful or harmless than the other one million kiddies out there, so there's no sense messing with him.
The Cuban government (and some misinformed Americans) likes to blame the U.S. embargo on Cuba's woes, being poor with little hope of advancement.
I don't think its as simple as "become a lapdog of the USA and you'll be rich". Look at their neighbor Haiti.
Also I have long been interested in visiting Cuba, mostly because I live in a non-free country that won't allow me to visit (and whats forbidden is always really good, right?). Anyway a gross and inaccurate summary of Cuban Ag, post 1990s, is they make a hell of a lot more money exporting tobacco and citrus and cassava while spending a small amount of export money importing some rice. I mean they could via central control force all the tobacco / grapefruit / cassava farmers to grow rice instead, and then they'd quite easily "feed themselves", although they'd be much poorer overall. So why not do the world trade thing and get rich? Its kinda like how both MN and FL are better off when MN grows wheat and imports oranges as long as FL grows oranges and imports wheat. If you really want to see a place that is screwed with nearly 100% food imports, think Vegas.
You don't 'turn on' a cable. How about 'start using'?
Try harder
Layer 1 - plug the damn thing in, "interface wtf0 enter no shut enter". Remove the testing loopback plugs, hopefully from each end. Unplug the OTDR and plug in the GBIC. Whatever.
Layer 2 - is kinda implementation dependent.
Layer 3 - "router bgp wtf enter neighbor wtf remote-as wtf" or if its already up, change your AS path regexes or route-maps to actually allow traffic to flow. Or change your prepending so instead of prepending your AS 50 times to force all traffic off the fiber, prepend 50 times to force all traffic off the satellite unless the fiber is down. 50 is a wee bit excessive of course.
I'm sure there's some collection of "humorous stupid networking tricks" out there, like if in a fit of insanity you're redistributing RIPv1 into BGP you could have some random internal machine start announcing your networks, or you could "down" a AS by intentionally flapping the interface using some automated process and then getting it route dampened and then activating the link means stopping the automated screwing it up process. It'll probably take more stupid networking tricks to get a +5 funny mod but I'm trying...
No in the biz I don't think "turn on" or "start using" was common terminology.
Assuming their Venezuelan peer didn't connect to them via satellite and does now connect via fiber, it should be simple to log into your nearest BGP speaking router and/or check a looking glass web interface for the cuban ISP AS number and see if it now has a path via the fiber instead of / in addition to the path via the existing satellite providers.
That's how you "don't speculate". Is there a BGP path over that fiber or not?
Of course if the path won't change if all that changes is layer 1/layer 2 from satellite to fiber.
This is assuming Cuba has enough traffic to warrant being a "real" ISP with BGP peers and full routes. I suspect they do?
I suspect a large part of that is you don't need to "figure out" all 3 or 4 dozen different card types, you can just by fiat say "we're using this set of simple cards tonight". As I recall the instructions even list a couple "noob combinations" that will give an interesting gaming experience without being complicated, and the play testing paid off because they actually did work.
This is another thing computer games are no good at. Nobody does a smooth tutorial, but live in person its pretty trivial to play dominion/pathfinder/Carcassone/whatever while skipping the "fancy rules" at the start and smoothly ramp up the complexity as you watch verbal and nonverbal signs of competence develop. This will screw up game balance, and there's some danger of making up your own rules, but its a smooth start. Nobody plays carcassone with all the scoring rules the first time, unless they want to spend longer trying to calc the score than playing the game.
"So you're trying to climb the cliff to the goblin fortress and you rolled only a 7 but your pathfinder climbing skill is +2 with a dex bonus (it's dex, right?) of +1 and a racial modifier of... but weather effects out of the GM manual (or was it core rulebook?) apply because its raining and on my map the DC for that segment of the climb is..."
"WTF this new game of yours is too complicated"
"... (makes GM judgement call to skip climbing skill checks while playing with noobs)... uh OK, we'll take a 20 on that, after a strenuous long climb you reach the top of the cliff and see 5 gobblins guarding their fortress, 2 at the door and 3 foot patrols, roll for initiative...."
That's remarkably cheap. Stabling around here costs an absolute minimum of about twice that, up to maybe 5 times that.
Acreage isn't free... one way or another you're paying at least twice that much to "someone" either a professional horse stable or prop tax or mortgage interest or whatever. There is considerable economy of scale WRT horse stabling farm so "doing it yourself" is probably going to cost more overall than just hiring out.
"Well, we can't afford to pay $150/month for our horse, so we bought a $500K minifarm and being rural we now have a 8 mpg stereotypical truck because the roads are bad, and prop taxes are now over $1000/month, but, hey, at least we aren't paying $150/mo stabling fee anymore"
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I'd like to see a breakdown of installed panel costs. I'm guessing the cells aren't a big factor. There's a cottage industry of people charging quite a lot of money to do the install work, and the aluminum back panel, framework edges, and glass "must" cost at least as much as a standard external "storm" door of similar quality and dimensions despite having the annoying internal electrical connections and having to be waterproof. I'm guessing that the installed cost of a panel without cells would already be something like 90% of the cost of an actual working panel, so I donno if dropping cell costs is going to have much of an effect on the overall viability of solar.
Its analogous to automotive costs, where there's a fixation on the cost of union labor, ignoring the fact that the labor cost per vehicle is already only like one grand per vehicle, so even if a miracle robot assembled trucks for free with no mistakes no capex and no maintenance, a 4x4 crew cab pickup truck would only drop in price from $60K to $59K or whatever. I'm not sure if "public enemy #1" of the solar (or automotive) industry, at least in the popular press, is the real enemy.
I'd much rather see a java implementation using lots and lots of redstone. Then you could theoretically run minecraft on minecraft in infinite regression. This could cause the end of the world so I'd be careful.
That's actually a pretty good point, in that the review didn't even list what each chapter was about, but one of the chapters should be dealing with peculiar collision of cultures like never seen before, as per the above brilliant post/troll/whatever it is. Given "social" is in the title of the book you'd think moderation or lack thereof would be an interesting part of the book.
There's some interesting homonyms in the review, like "obvious" for "oblivious" and I don't even know what the "manifest" line WRT the price means.
It does strike me as a problem when intro level textbooks cost more than just hiring an unemployed grad student for a couple tutoring sessions. Soon, textbook prices will average over $250 each and at that point I believe I could personally individually tutor someone of average intelligence better than any textbook could teach them. Or at $50/hr I could search for, edit, print, and collate wikipedia articles for five hours, which would probably result in a better text than your average ghostwriter.
By the time textbooks exceed $500 each, probably another 5 years or so, instead of hiring a goofball like me you'll be able to hire actual authors, cutting out the middlemen completely. I believe bespoke textbooks are the wave of the future, and someone should start a dotcom to facilitate them.
Does python still use whitespace as part of control flow structures? Ugh. I don't want to be the guy who posts the equivalent of "mysql doesn't have transactions" over and over in 2013, but I can't be bothered to keep up with a language I don't use, either.
It is however a fact that Python at least USED TO BE in a really bad neighborhood, sandwiched in between COBOL and FORTRAN in the "compiler really cares a lot about whitespace" ghetto, even if they've fixed it since then. I'd rather write a million parenthesis in LISP.
I would imagine this will primarily serve to ostracize the xbox port even further away from mainstream minecrafting.
You would probably find googling for N8VEM SBC v2 to be very interesting. S100 lives! as does a eurocard connector-ized version of the same idea, more or less.
http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/
I have the partially assembled system on my workbench. I need a nice blizzard to keep me inside soldering, that'll take care of it. Its all antique thru-hole instead of modern SMD which I find harder to work with and certainly much bigger but its no big deal.
Add in connector resistance
At least the n8vem design has a standard pc molex on the ecb cpu board. Don't need to, but you can dump power in that way. Very much like a modern graphics card having a dedicated power line rather than drawing current from the motherboard.
In the early 90s one of our mainframes blew a CPU, so the IBM CE replaced it while the system continued running. Zero reboot time because it wasn't rebooted. Much like you can swap hard drives in a NAS array while it runs.
There's really nothing new in IT. Couple years back a VMware image of mine got moved to another machine mostly seemlessly. Oh it was "frozen/down" for a minute or so but promptly unfroze on the new hardware. Not nearly as advanced as the mainframe was 20 years ago, but someday modern IT might be that advanced again... or maybe not, hard to say.
This will revolutionise electricity generation in such diverse fields as, uh... space craft and... um... space stations.
Aerospace uses non-flexible crystalline at about twice the power output, because what matters is more or less watts/Kg. For non-panel satellites with cells mounted right on the satellite body, what really matters is watts/sq meter.
Now you need flexible cells for ... um...
Old enough to really enjoy the video game arcade but too old to be impressed with some dude in a chuckie costume posing for pictures. I'd guess about 10 yrs old. Then again for a toddler to maybe 5 yr old, seeing the mascot walk around seems pretty cool to them.
Kind of like how kids about that age don't believe in Santa anymore and are not going to do the "sit on his lap" thing, but they're still pretty cool with opening presents...
any similar emotion that might make me venture in again
Well, aside from clientele issues previously mentioned which boil down to, train your bartenders to not serve liquor to dirtbags, its basically an arcade/carnival/state fair/amusement park experience, indoors... I can see how you'd be very unhappy if someone tricked you into thinking its a gourmet suit and tie fine dining establishment, but its not much different or worse than the state/county fair carnival area experience.
The classic hacker book publisher O'Reilly
I wonder how O'Reilly feels about being labeled this way?
If you think they're unhappy, just wonder how 2600 feels...
Either that, or they will release Xbox 8 as an "upgrade".
Sigh.
Too late. More likely purchase Valve/steam and both "windows 9" and "xbox 9" will fundamentally be a ubuntu install with a linux steam client. The difference is "windows 9" installs on any old PC hardware, whereas "xbox 9" will be hardware with ubuntu/steam already installed and guaranteed working drivers etc. Port Office9 to a steam application, and let the dough roll in. There's no point paying devs to make something "like ubuntu" if ubuntu will release it for free, but there is money to be made in integration, training, support, etc. They'll have to walk the fine line between selling support contracts and putting out a great web presence.
Yes that's my point, there is too much traffic of that nature "out on the real inet" to bother with UNLESS you're using specific rules to filter just to "get" one guy.
Its a bit spammy, like reporting everyone who looked at your front door as a potential burglar. That might even work in the deepest back hills of Montana 200 miles from the nearest city. But the internet hasn't been like that since the early 90s, maybe earlier, so its like being on a busy Manhattan street and reporting every passerby who glances at your front office door as a crook.
"ET, now only on the Apple iPad"
It's also why people go to Chuck E. Cheese's.
Gonna have to explain that one further. Locally when the weather is bad, its by far the cheapest place to take the whole family for "fun" which also has a liquor license, so the local cops are continually breaking up fights between dirtbags, which is not exactly great PR so its driving everyone except the dirtbags away. "Oh you went to CeC last night, were the cops there?" Basically if mom and/or dad are prime dive bar customers, but they have the kids that weekend, they can go to CeC and get drunk while the kids play. On the other hand its actually a pretty nice place to visit early enough in the day before the parents get drunk. If they would just close around sundown or so it would result in much higher class/lower crime clientele. Also the local news rag is offended that they aren't paying for enough advertising, so they highlight every minor problem to "motivate" them to purchase more advertising...
I'm guessing the analogy is something like Atari is more fun when you're drunk/baked or ?
Governments shouldn't try to tax what they don't possess or control.
What about the substantial costs of identity theft? Obviously it costs .gov "something" every time a database of personal and/or financial data gets stolen. The amounts are exceeding what judgment proof skript kiddies could ever pay back. So a company in the business of gathering data which will cost various levels of .gov a substantial amount of money when the corporation system of security via obscurity or security via intimidation fails. The .gov should be able to collect some tax if corporate activity is creating a liability for them. No different than various road tax schemes or numerous environmental taxes/fees/permits. Cleanup costs money.
I would totally support this taxation idea WRT gathering "identity theft" grade data.
Most .gov have a very imperial view of what they possess and control anyway, regardless of whatever patriotic PR freedom campaign they indoctrinate their youth with. All people withing the borders are subjects to be used at the whim of the state. All property is owned by the state, go ahead and try not paying your taxes and see what happens to "your" property.
So you rely primarily on security thru obscurity and hope that genuine bad guys would never scan you? That's pretty scary.
The funniest part is I've been putting up with scans/etc since the early 90s and it doesn't take long to figure out that almost all of them come from compromised systems, usually from another country. A local guy easily traced almost by definition is on your side, because a real bad guy would be coming from a rooted machine in .cn or something essentially untraceable like that. In other words if you can find and talk to the guy in "minutes" as per the story, he's probably on your side or at worse is a hopeless noob script kiddie who's no more harmful or harmless than the other one million kiddies out there, so there's no sense messing with him.
from people who are his authority figures and who he assumed were there to help protect him
A college / university being excessively paternalistic / coddling of its students almost all of the time? Naah, never happen.
The Cuban government (and some misinformed Americans) likes to blame the U.S. embargo on Cuba's woes, being poor with little hope of advancement.
I don't think its as simple as "become a lapdog of the USA and you'll be rich". Look at their neighbor Haiti.
Also I have long been interested in visiting Cuba, mostly because I live in a non-free country that won't allow me to visit (and whats forbidden is always really good, right?). Anyway a gross and inaccurate summary of Cuban Ag, post 1990s, is they make a hell of a lot more money exporting tobacco and citrus and cassava while spending a small amount of export money importing some rice. I mean they could via central control force all the tobacco / grapefruit / cassava farmers to grow rice instead, and then they'd quite easily "feed themselves", although they'd be much poorer overall. So why not do the world trade thing and get rich? Its kinda like how both MN and FL are better off when MN grows wheat and imports oranges as long as FL grows oranges and imports wheat. If you really want to see a place that is screwed with nearly 100% food imports, think Vegas.
You don't 'turn on' a cable. How about 'start using'?
Try harder
Layer 1 - plug the damn thing in, "interface wtf0 enter no shut enter". Remove the testing loopback plugs, hopefully from each end. Unplug the OTDR and plug in the GBIC. Whatever.
Layer 2 - is kinda implementation dependent.
Layer 3 - "router bgp wtf enter neighbor wtf remote-as wtf" or if its already up, change your AS path regexes or route-maps to actually allow traffic to flow. Or change your prepending so instead of prepending your AS 50 times to force all traffic off the fiber, prepend 50 times to force all traffic off the satellite unless the fiber is down. 50 is a wee bit excessive of course.
I'm sure there's some collection of "humorous stupid networking tricks" out there, like if in a fit of insanity you're redistributing RIPv1 into BGP you could have some random internal machine start announcing your networks, or you could "down" a AS by intentionally flapping the interface using some automated process and then getting it route dampened and then activating the link means stopping the automated screwing it up process. It'll probably take more stupid networking tricks to get a +5 funny mod but I'm trying...
No in the biz I don't think "turn on" or "start using" was common terminology.
Just ask them if it is active. Don't speculate
Assuming their Venezuelan peer didn't connect to them via satellite and does now connect via fiber, it should be simple to log into your nearest BGP speaking router and/or check a looking glass web interface for the cuban ISP AS number and see if it now has a path via the fiber instead of / in addition to the path via the existing satellite providers.
That's how you "don't speculate". Is there a BGP path over that fiber or not?
Of course if the path won't change if all that changes is layer 1/layer 2 from satellite to fiber.
This is assuming Cuba has enough traffic to warrant being a "real" ISP with BGP peers and full routes. I suspect they do?
warmed to Dominion very quickly
I suspect a large part of that is you don't need to "figure out" all 3 or 4 dozen different card types, you can just by fiat say "we're using this set of simple cards tonight". As I recall the instructions even list a couple "noob combinations" that will give an interesting gaming experience without being complicated, and the play testing paid off because they actually did work.
This is another thing computer games are no good at. Nobody does a smooth tutorial, but live in person its pretty trivial to play dominion/pathfinder/Carcassone/whatever while skipping the "fancy rules" at the start and smoothly ramp up the complexity as you watch verbal and nonverbal signs of competence develop. This will screw up game balance, and there's some danger of making up your own rules, but its a smooth start. Nobody plays carcassone with all the scoring rules the first time, unless they want to spend longer trying to calc the score than playing the game.
"So you're trying to climb the cliff to the goblin fortress and you rolled only a 7 but your pathfinder climbing skill is +2 with a dex bonus (it's dex, right?) of +1 and a racial modifier of ... but weather effects out of the GM manual (or was it core rulebook?) apply because its raining and on my map the DC for that segment of the climb is ..."
"WTF this new game of yours is too complicated"
"... (makes GM judgement call to skip climbing skill checks while playing with noobs) ... uh OK, we'll take a 20 on that, after a strenuous long climb you reach the top of the cliff and see 5 gobblins guarding their fortress, 2 at the door and 3 foot patrols, roll for initiative ...."
That's remarkably cheap. Stabling around here costs an absolute minimum of about twice that, up to maybe 5 times that.
Acreage isn't free... one way or another you're paying at least twice that much to "someone" either a professional horse stable or prop tax or mortgage interest or whatever. There is considerable economy of scale WRT horse stabling farm so "doing it yourself" is probably going to cost more overall than just hiring out.
"Well, we can't afford to pay $150/month for our horse, so we bought a $500K minifarm and being rural we now have a 8 mpg stereotypical truck because the roads are bad, and prop taxes are now over $1000/month, but, hey, at least we aren't paying $150/mo stabling fee anymore"
We have plenty of excess horses from wanna be horsey people. Turns out owning a horse is quite expensive...