> (and not one with loads of irritating whitespacethank you very much).
If thats the only problem with Python (and until you are a bit more explicit, one can pretty much assume so), its gotta be a great language.
(Oh, BTW you are missing a whitespace there between the words "whitespace" and "thank")
This is good because people have started to notice (and say on the message boards) that some of the recent versions of Kino have started to become more buggy.
So Kino is becoming more and more like Cinelerra...
But how is this good?
*SCNR*
In addition, such a weapon is easy to detect and potentially intercept.
Umm, no. They are not easy to intercept - thats what makes ICBMs so unique.
Oh, and dont tell me about this stupid stuff like the ABL or Kinetic Energy Interceptors. They don not work and never will - at least not a against an ICBM from a country like China (theater missile defense might come true one day, but ICBM are a completely different issue.
Despite attempts at breaking into the instant messenging market, I believe AOL still rules the market, atleast here in the US. Yahoo, MSN, etc. didn't really decrease the market share of AIM. I doubt this Google IM thing will be any different.
In europe MSN is pretty much king and yahoo second. Almost no one uses AIM.
And which architecture was designed with the ability and the intention to bridge to those existing services?
Right - only Jabber.
Microsoft gets a bit of its own poison - embraced and extended by an open standard.
Then perl newbies / passer-byers take a look at it, don't understand it, and freak out and say that perl is crap.
And in a way they are right: Perl is crap for RAD by now compared to other languages. Then perhaps they're threatened because there's a huge community of smart perl programmers that manage to upstage them constantly.
Yeah, the zealots and their praises are probably one the main reason for the hate against perl. Its just not that good as the zealots claim. Thus people are disappointed. To zoom out on the issue a bit, I'm really sick and tired of this current movement in computer science where so many think that programming should be made into some kind of simple task that anyone can do.
That sounds so elitist it hurts. But yes, programming should be as easy as possible, but not easier. Hence you end up with languages like Java that hold your hand really really tight and refuse to let go. Is Grandma writing software really a good thing?
Grandma uses VisualBasic or PHP, but not Java. Oh, and its a lot better when Grandma writes software in Java than in PHP or Perl. Or should we save it for the people who at least have a passing familiarity with computers & networks; hell, someone who might even know a little bit about the basic mechanisms in a typical UNIX kernel?
No. Your Perlcode might even run on a Non-UNIX System - this is one of the reasons to use Perl, Python, Ruby or Java. ... it's a high speed highway, damnit, and my life is on the line!
So you prefer to use a very powerful old car without any safety measures, because "you can handle it". Yeah, right. Make no mistake - there's still an undergound of brilliant developers that understand their systems inside out and produce amazing, high performance code. Many of them are in the open source community. And we refuse to let go of our power tools. You may use whatever language you like, but expect a well-deserved ass kicking if you get in our face and try to tell us you know better.
Uhhh, Im scared. You really remind me of this guy:
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
Since I need to learn this language and do rapid development, which would be easiest to grasp and learn.
If you are starting something new use Python. that can be used to parse complicated log files and security scans
This is traditional Perl terrain because Perl is more or less Regexps and a little bit around it. However, in Python you can use regexps aswell and the stuff around it is much cleaner and easier to "grasp and learn". Perl has the motto "there is more than one way", which makes fast hacks easier and big projects and reading of other coders stuff harder. Contrast that with the Zen of Python:
http://www.python.org/doc/Humor.html#zen
As for GUI-Stuff. TkInter is a very easy to use standard GUI in Python. Of cause there are also bindings to other crossplatform toolkits like GTK and WxWindows.
The more I read about Perl, the more and more I want to learn Python.
Your gut-feeling is right there.
The standards for writing English in the Perl world are pretty high -- the core members of the Perl community have always cared a lot about clear writing
Yeah, right. Why should one obfuscate English, Perl offers much more possibilities to do so.
Thanks for your heavily technical argument. I will take your conciderations into account next time. And thanks for stating your opinion as that of the whole python community.
Oh, and thanks for missing the point.
it decided that/var/lib/portage was a read only filesystem.
You probably mean/var/tmp/portage. Now, ls, vi, top, df, mount etc etc etc all return I/O errors.
It always good to keep the emergency binaries around on a critical server:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~avenj/bins/ Any ideas why that would happen?
Not really. Esp. since portage doesnt write to the live system until the compile is complete (only in the merging step).
I only had problems with that when I ran out of disc space on/var, but even then portage aborted before merging.
Parrot was a joke
but it isnt anymore. And BTW I dont care about Perl too much. But I do like the idea of a language-agnostic VM not owned by Sun or trying to catch up with Microsofts.Net.
a) you are talking abou a experimental installer
b) GLI is not a top priority project
c) SuSE, XandrOS and Linspire use the same libreiserfs as gentoo
d) libreiserfs likes to eat partitions (read the parted homepage - there is a big, fat warning about this there)
e) I have seen libreiserfs eat a partition (and dont tell me it was because its a "gentoo-libreiserfs" - it was from ubuntu)
f) Take a look at the design of GLI - its very well planned, done and executed so far - using UML , a clean seperation of front and backend etc.
g) so STFU
It's fine for small stuff, scripts and little apps, but anything larger and you're lost in a sea of interpreted code.
Wrong. Better inform yourself before you try again. FYI, you can still code for Python and compile...
I know, but you seemed to have missed that bit. Anyways, Python is a cool language. I'm helping out with a Python-derivative language called Boo, check it out here.
Better work on something useful.
yeah, because all beggars behave the same; never has it happened that someone chose differently and did not give in to crime.
Some of them will chose to starve. However, some of them will riot if they have no alternative. This is a establishes a balance of power - an asymmetric nash equilibrium. This is why people rarely starve even in societies where there is no formal social system.
The comparison with IP (which I didnt come up with) is farfetched, because one rarely needs IP for survival. So the position of the equlibrium is shifted... [lots of nonsense]... fucking idiot. it's people like you who ruin this world.
There has always been a balance of idiots like you and idiots like me. None of these will ruin the world.
The farmer is just paying his contribution to the social security system. If farmers dont grant beggars a small amount of their crop to keep them alive, the beggars will become violent - everybody looses.
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Its really pretty usefull.> (and not one with loads of irritating whitespacethank you very much).
If thats the only problem with Python (and until you are a bit more explicit, one can pretty much assume so), its gotta be a great language.
(Oh, BTW you are missing a whitespace there between the words "whitespace" and "thank")
This is good because people have started to notice (and say on the message boards) that some of the recent versions of Kino have started to become more buggy. ...
So Kino is becoming more and more like Cinelerra
But how is this good?
*SCNR*
In addition, such a weapon is easy to detect and potentially intercept.
Umm, no. They are not easy to intercept - thats what makes ICBMs so unique.
Oh, and dont tell me about this stupid stuff like the ABL or Kinetic Energy Interceptors. They don not work and never will - at least not a against an ICBM from a country like China (theater missile defense might come true one day, but ICBM are a completely different issue.
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Despite attempts at breaking into the instant messenging market, I believe AOL still rules the market, atleast here in the US. Yahoo, MSN, etc. didn't really decrease the market share of AIM. I doubt this Google IM thing will be any different.
In europe MSN is pretty much king and yahoo second. Almost no one uses AIM.
And which architecture was designed with the ability and the intention to bridge to those existing services?
Right - only Jabber.
Microsoft gets a bit of its own poison - embraced and extended by an open standard.
Then perl newbies / passer-byers take a look at it, don't understand it, and freak out and say that perl is crap.
... it's a high speed highway, damnit, and my life is on the line!
And in a way they are right: Perl is crap for RAD by now compared to other languages.
Then perhaps they're threatened because there's a huge community of smart perl programmers that manage to upstage them constantly.
Yeah, the zealots and their praises are probably one the main reason for the hate against perl. Its just not that good as the zealots claim. Thus people are disappointed.
To zoom out on the issue a bit, I'm really sick and tired of this current movement in computer science where so many think that programming should be made into some kind of simple task that anyone can do.
That sounds so elitist it hurts. But yes, programming should be as easy as possible, but not easier.
Hence you end up with languages like Java that hold your hand really really tight and refuse to let go. Is Grandma writing software really a good thing?
Grandma uses VisualBasic or PHP, but not Java. Oh, and its a lot better when Grandma writes software in Java than in PHP or Perl.
Or should we save it for the people who at least have a passing familiarity with computers & networks; hell, someone who might even know a little bit about the basic mechanisms in a typical UNIX kernel?
No. Your Perlcode might even run on a Non-UNIX System - this is one of the reasons to use Perl, Python, Ruby or Java.
So you prefer to use a very powerful old car without any safety measures, because "you can handle it". Yeah, right.
Make no mistake - there's still an undergound of brilliant developers that understand their systems inside out and produce amazing, high performance code. Many of them are in the open source community. And we refuse to let go of our power tools. You may use whatever language you like, but expect a well-deserved ass kicking if you get in our face and try to tell us you know better.
Uhhh, Im scared. You really remind me of this guy: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
Since I need to learn this language and do rapid development, which would be easiest to grasp and learn.
If you are starting something new use Python.
that can be used to parse complicated log files and security scans
This is traditional Perl terrain because Perl is more or less Regexps and a little bit around it. However, in Python you can use regexps aswell and the stuff around it is much cleaner and easier to "grasp and learn". Perl has the motto "there is more than one way", which makes fast hacks easier and big projects and reading of other coders stuff harder. Contrast that with the Zen of Python: http://www.python.org/doc/Humor.html#zen
As for GUI-Stuff. TkInter is a very easy to use standard GUI in Python. Of cause there are also bindings to other crossplatform toolkits like GTK and WxWindows. The more I read about Perl, the more and more I want to learn Python.
Your gut-feeling is right there.
The standards for writing English in the Perl world are pretty high -- the core members of the Perl community have always cared a lot about clear writing
Yeah, right. Why should one obfuscate English, Perl offers much more possibilities to do so.
Thanks for your heavily technical argument. I will take your conciderations into account next time. And thanks for stating your opinion as that of the whole python community.
Oh, and thanks for missing the point.
it decided that /var/lib/portage was a read only filesystem. /var/tmp/portage. /var, but even then portage aborted before merging.
You probably mean
Now, ls, vi, top, df, mount etc etc etc all return I/O errors.
It always good to keep the emergency binaries around on a critical server: http://dev.gentoo.org/~avenj/bins/
Any ideas why that would happen?
Not really. Esp. since portage doesnt write to the live system until the compile is complete (only in the merging step).
I only had problems with that when I ran out of disc space on
Parrot was a joke .Net.
but it isnt anymore. And BTW I dont care about Perl too much. But I do like the idea of a language-agnostic VM not owned by Sun or trying to catch up with Microsofts
Although you gotta admit the new baselayout is really nice - esp. the new /etc/init.d/net.*
... while homebrew distributions will fail to qualify./
..'nough said ...
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions
a) you are talking abou a experimental installer
b) GLI is not a top priority project
c) SuSE, XandrOS and Linspire use the same libreiserfs as gentoo
d) libreiserfs likes to eat partitions (read the parted homepage - there is a big, fat warning about this there)
e) I have seen libreiserfs eat a partition (and dont tell me it was because its a "gentoo-libreiserfs" - it was from ubuntu)
f) Take a look at the design of GLI - its very well planned, done and executed so far - using UML , a clean seperation of front and backend etc.
g) so STFU
... but it will also allow unattended installs ...
It might be that you have not anough RAM. I had a machine swapping itself to dead on a glibc compile ...
Please file a bug about the screensaver, if there isnt one already. http://bugs.gentoo.org/
Have you used libreiserfs via parted?
I can assume you it is "teh suck".
You compiled with an ancient as-of-2005.0 portage tree? Then its pretty much you own fault, if you dont rsync ...
GLI Roadmap
It's fine for small stuff, scripts and little apps, but anything larger and you're lost in a sea of interpreted code. ...
Wrong. Better inform yourself before you try again.
FYI, you can still code for Python and compile
I know, but you seemed to have missed that bit.
Anyways, Python is a cool language. I'm helping out with a Python-derivative language called Boo, check it out here.
Better work on something useful.
A real good book about GM'ing?
yeah, because all beggars behave the same; never has it happened that someone chose differently and did not give in to crime. ... ... fucking idiot. it's people like you who ruin this world.
Some of them will chose to starve. However, some of them will riot if they have no alternative. This is a establishes a balance of power - an asymmetric nash equilibrium. This is why people rarely starve even in societies where there is no formal social system.
The comparison with IP (which I didnt come up with) is farfetched, because one rarely needs IP for survival. So the position of the equlibrium is shifted
[lots of nonsense]
There has always been a balance of idiots like you and idiots like me. None of these will ruin the world.
The farmer is just paying his contribution to the social security system. If farmers dont grant beggars a small amount of their crop to keep them alive, the beggars will become violent - everybody looses.