It would be good if the bottom line wasn't pushed down, and if the upper classes were sold in a non-discriminatory way, at fixed prices. The problem is that it's not going to happen that way, it'll just turn into a sell-to-the-highest-bidder situation, where companies will be out-paying each other to get priority over each other's traffic. It'll be a way for ISPs to sell their stuff twice instead of increasing their capacity. Let's say now they charge you a dollar for 1GB of traffic through a 10mbps link, instead of increasing their capacity to sell you 10GB over a 100mbps link at $ 0.7, they'll just charge $1 for 1GB through a up-to-10mbps link, then charge you another dollar to prioritize your traffic over all the torrents and other crap, and then another dollar to prioritize you a bit more. They will be essentially charging you several times for what you are already getting now.
Of course, they'll manage to screw over some people even worse, particularly anyone in need of low-latency communications (think VoIP, etc).
It makes perfect sense, both within QoS terminology and in plain english.
Example:
"I will put my best effort into helping you build a house. My very best effort, I'll use most of my free time to help you, and I might even skip work a day or too to help you out".
"I have signed a contract with you to finish building your house by July 23th. I've already allocated the necessary resources to make it happen by that date".
There you go, "best effort", and a contract, which is by definition "above best effort".
Same thing with the mail. Regular mail is "best effort". We'll do our best effort with the current resources to deliver your letter ASAP. Priority mail, OTOH, means dedicated resources to get certain subset of letter to their destinations within an allocated time.
Not that I agree with this situation, just pointing out that language wasn't an issue.
GMail has that feature, it was exactly the same. You can use + after your username. Also, dots don't count, so you can give name.lastname when your real email is namelastname or if your account is abc123@gmail.com you can give out a.b.c123@gmail.com. Then you can filter that out anyway you want.
The dots feature is useful because when giving an email to an actual person instead of a corporation, giving out username+thisisspam@gmail.com is not an option. But giving him user.name@gmail.com is stealthy, and still allows you to filter out stuff.
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I know of all the reasons to keep the projects separate, and I know it's not going to happen. All I'm saying is that it's a bad use of our limited resources, and I was specifically telling this to some guy complaining about how a software that was born within GNU/Linux wasn't developing FreeBSD-specific functionality.
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None of them. I believe we need to cooperate. We need to make all Free Software licenses compatible with each other, not necessarily by changing them, just by adding special clauses allowing linking to other FS licenses.
Nobody needs to let go their ideals. We just have to realize how similar our ideals are, and how different are THEIRS, and then together fight against THEM instead of individually fight each other. We have more things uniting us than separating us.
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WRONG. Based on that definition, BSD4 was Unix. FreeBSD isn't Unix either, it's just *Nix, or Unix-like. Why? Just because none of them put up with the stupid, bureaucratic and expensive certification process. Otherwise, they are POSIX-compliant. Regarding the "personal insult" bullshit, I'm not saying that GNU/Linux or FreeBSD or any other OS has to disappear. I said merge. They've won their battles, and we've won ours, and it's time we join forces. And, please read where all of this began: He was complaining about Xfce's latest version being focused mostly on GNU/Linux. Well, of course it is. Free Software has a small userbase, and we work very hard to keep it going. Porting everything to 20 different platforms is stupid. If we ever want to become truly mainstream, we need all the people we can get to jump on the same boat. It's time to put our differences aside. Of course, it's not going to happen, but that doesn't mean we have to stop asking for it.
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I will tell you what can be done to fix this issue:
Merge. Free Software is powerful, but not that powerful, and we are split. Thousands of distros, Linux + 3 flavors of BSD, Android, ChromeOS, plus countless other half-dead projects like Hurd. We need to stop being dicks about it and merge it all down. A single Free Unix. Then we can have a few flavors of it, for example: Desktop, Server, Lightweight, Mobile, Realtime (but all coming from the same codebase). Then we would be unstoppable. But, instead, we have 100 variants of every possible component of a free system. We don't have a single professional linear video editor, but we have 30 that are getting there, sometime in the future, each with its own coders and users. Instead of having a single awesome WM (very customizable to each people's needs), we have 10 and they all are incomplete. r I know this has been said over and over, but it's still our biggest issue and it's worth repeating it.
And don't tell me that there is a single valid reason why FreeBSD should exist as a separate operating system, because there isn't (and the fact that people like Theo and Linus are jerks doesn't count).
Religion pisses me off more than you can imagine. But Astrology... oh, Astrology is even worse. How can stupidity reach such amazing levels as to allow religion, astrology and such other crap to exist in the year 2011?
You should respect us because of all those reasons. And because we keep your backups, including that embarrassing slashfic about your boss and optimus prime you keep writing.
No, It's not a more appropriate statement, because there is actually enough hard evidence of the contrary.
Religious types first said god created the earth. When science discovered that the earth is just a little rock traveling through the universe, religious idiots changed their speech to say that their imaginary friend also created the universe.
It's fucking stupid, and it doesn't even deserve to be treated with respect.
Religion is mental illness, and if you are going to try and disprove with science every hallucination, you might want to start with those voices in many people's heads.
god is not within the subject matter of physics, or chemistry, or philosophy. god is something that Neurology and Psychology will have to deal with.
Not true. You see, we know exactly how god was invented. We have traced historically the entire story of just about every god on this earth, and we know with an incredible accuracy how each myth got started. We also understand, through psychology, why man needs to create a god.
So, if the only proposition FOR the existence of a god comes from this stories, and we know for a fact that they are false, then any argument FOR the existence of a god, even the initial proposition, is rendered false.
There is no god. And yes, we can be 100% sure of that.
So, are you saying that doing a show is unethical because you just might have seen footage of that show before?
Also, EVERY SINGLE SHOW Carlin ever did HAD A FREAKING CLEAR NAME. It's understandable to get pissed of at a comedian that pretends to have a new show, but instead just reuses material. Carlin NEVER DID THAT. Each show was written entirely by him, each had a clear name, and was packed tight of nothing but new material. He only reused little pieces of material that were very popular, like "Modern Man" and the "Publicity" sketch, or "There is no god".
So, if you are too fucking stupid to check the name of the show you are going to see, and realize you have seen it already... well, that's not the comedian's fault, you know?.
The Character assassination plot on Assange was a major success. He's been in jail not so long, and the story is slowly going cold. Nobody is discussing it so eagerly anymore. Also, Julian's public image went down. Regardless of whether what The Guardian is saying is true or not, 30 days ago virtually nobody on/. would have bought the Guardian's story. Or we would've at least questioned it, not taking it as fact.
Julian is in jail. Nobody believes in him anymore. Wikileaks is dead, and nobody even noticed. The CIA pulled yet another successful operation on its own people and the world, and the press took care of cleaning up after them. And nobody gives a fuck.
I see very few people here that understand this. As usual, we are a minority, but when even in/., when everybody here is a minority, you can only see a minority of the minority display any kind of reasoning skills, you can tell something's fucked up.
I find it so funny when religious types try to sound academical. And I make a huge mistake by trying to disprove your delusions with logic.
You are just a deranged lunatic that believes in mythical creatures, and it's not logic's business to deal with your delusions, I'll leave that to psychologists.
See, now you have nailed it: You feel nervous about it.
That's all this is about. You idiots have no actual understanding of this issue, you haven't reached an ethical decision, you aren't on higher moral ground. You just feel nervous about it, because you are all fucking pussies, and try to push everyone around and change our ways because you refuse to get a fucking shrink.
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It would be good if the bottom line wasn't pushed down, and if the upper classes were sold in a non-discriminatory way, at fixed prices. The problem is that it's not going to happen that way, it'll just turn into a sell-to-the-highest-bidder situation, where companies will be out-paying each other to get priority over each other's traffic. It'll be a way for ISPs to sell their stuff twice instead of increasing their capacity. Let's say now they charge you a dollar for 1GB of traffic through a 10mbps link, instead of increasing their capacity to sell you 10GB over a 100mbps link at $ 0.7, they'll just charge $1 for 1GB through a up-to-10mbps link, then charge you another dollar to prioritize your traffic over all the torrents and other crap, and then another dollar to prioritize you a bit more. They will be essentially charging you several times for what you are already getting now.
Of course, they'll manage to screw over some people even worse, particularly anyone in need of low-latency communications (think VoIP, etc).
It makes perfect sense, both within QoS terminology and in plain english.
Example:
"I will put my best effort into helping you build a house. My very best effort, I'll use most of my free time to help you, and I might even skip work a day or too to help you out".
"I have signed a contract with you to finish building your house by July 23th. I've already allocated the necessary resources to make it happen by that date".
There you go, "best effort", and a contract, which is by definition "above best effort".
Same thing with the mail. Regular mail is "best effort". We'll do our best effort with the current resources to deliver your letter ASAP.
Priority mail, OTOH, means dedicated resources to get certain subset of letter to their destinations within an allocated time.
Not that I agree with this situation, just pointing out that language wasn't an issue.
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Damn. Where's my sarcasm sign when I need it ....
GMail has that feature, it was exactly the same. You can use + after your username. Also, dots don't count, so you can give name.lastname when your real email is namelastname or if your account is abc123@gmail.com you can give out a.b.c123@gmail.com. Then you can filter that out anyway you want.
The dots feature is useful because when giving an email to an actual person instead of a corporation, giving out username+thisisspam@gmail.com is not an option. But giving him user.name@gmail.com is stealthy, and still allows you to filter out stuff.
I know of all the reasons to keep the projects separate, and I know it's not going to happen. All I'm saying is that it's a bad use of our limited resources, and I was specifically telling this to some guy complaining about how a software that was born within GNU/Linux wasn't developing FreeBSD-specific functionality.
None of them. I believe we need to cooperate. We need to make all Free Software licenses compatible with each other, not necessarily by changing them, just by adding special clauses allowing linking to other FS licenses.
Nobody needs to let go their ideals. We just have to realize how similar our ideals are, and how different are THEIRS, and then together fight against THEM instead of individually fight each other. We have more things uniting us than separating us.
WRONG. Based on that definition, BSD4 was Unix. FreeBSD isn't Unix either, it's just *Nix, or Unix-like. Why? Just because none of them put up with the stupid, bureaucratic and expensive certification process. Otherwise, they are POSIX-compliant.
Regarding the "personal insult" bullshit, I'm not saying that GNU/Linux or FreeBSD or any other OS has to disappear. I said merge. They've won their battles, and we've won ours, and it's time we join forces. And, please read where all of this began: He was complaining about Xfce's latest version being focused mostly on GNU/Linux. Well, of course it is. Free Software has a small userbase, and we work very hard to keep it going. Porting everything to 20 different platforms is stupid. If we ever want to become truly mainstream, we need all the people we can get to jump on the same boat. It's time to put our differences aside. Of course, it's not going to happen, but that doesn't mean we have to stop asking for it.
I will tell you what can be done to fix this issue:
Merge. Free Software is powerful, but not that powerful, and we are split. Thousands of distros, Linux + 3 flavors of BSD, Android, ChromeOS, plus countless other half-dead projects like Hurd. We need to stop being dicks about it and merge it all down. A single Free Unix. Then we can have a few flavors of it, for example: Desktop, Server, Lightweight, Mobile, Realtime (but all coming from the same codebase). Then we would be unstoppable. But, instead, we have 100 variants of every possible component of a free system. We don't have a single professional linear video editor, but we have 30 that are getting there, sometime in the future, each with its own coders and users. Instead of having a single awesome WM (very customizable to each people's needs), we have 10 and they all are incomplete.
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I know this has been said over and over, but it's still our biggest issue and it's worth repeating it.
And don't tell me that there is a single valid reason why FreeBSD should exist as a separate operating system, because there isn't (and the fact that people like Theo and Linus are jerks doesn't count).
Yeah, that's the bad thing about astrology.
As Carlin said once ... every time a bunch of religious folks want to kill each other, I'm a happy guy!
Religion pisses me off more than you can imagine. But Astrology ... oh, Astrology is even worse. How can stupidity reach such amazing levels as to allow religion, astrology and such other crap to exist in the year 2011?
Congratulations. You just posted what's probably the best /. comment in the last 5 years.
It is absolutely wrong.
Passwords should be stored only in two places: Your head, and the safe.
You should respect us because of all those reasons. And because we keep your backups, including that embarrassing slashfic about your boss and optimus prime you keep writing.
You keep your passwords in a network share? Are you schizophrenic or just incompetent?
I hope that file is fucking well encrypted ... but even in that case, it's just a bad idea.
And thanks for all the fish.
No, It's not a more appropriate statement, because there is actually enough hard evidence of the contrary.
Religious types first said god created the earth. When science discovered that the earth is just a little rock traveling through the universe, religious idiots changed their speech to say that their imaginary friend also created the universe.
It's fucking stupid, and it doesn't even deserve to be treated with respect.
Religion is mental illness, and if you are going to try and disprove with science every hallucination, you might want to start with those voices in many people's heads.
god is not within the subject matter of physics, or chemistry, or philosophy. god is something that Neurology and Psychology will have to deal with.
Not true. You see, we know exactly how god was invented. We have traced historically the entire story of just about every god on this earth, and we know with an incredible accuracy how each myth got started. We also understand, through psychology, why man needs to create a god.
So, if the only proposition FOR the existence of a god comes from this stories, and we know for a fact that they are false, then any argument FOR the existence of a god, even the initial proposition, is rendered false.
There is no god. And yes, we can be 100% sure of that.
So, are you saying that doing a show is unethical because you just might have seen footage of that show before?
Also, EVERY SINGLE SHOW Carlin ever did HAD A FREAKING CLEAR NAME. It's understandable to get pissed of at a comedian that pretends to have a new show, but instead just reuses material. Carlin NEVER DID THAT. Each show was written entirely by him, each had a clear name, and was packed tight of nothing but new material. He only reused little pieces of material that were very popular, like "Modern Man" and the "Publicity" sketch, or "There is no god".
So, if you are too fucking stupid to check the name of the show you are going to see, and realize you have seen it already ... well, that's not the comedian's fault, you know?.
Do you see what's going on here?
The Character assassination plot on Assange was a major success. He's been in jail not so long, and the story is slowly going cold. Nobody is discussing it so eagerly anymore. Also, Julian's public image went down. Regardless of whether what The Guardian is saying is true or not, 30 days ago virtually nobody on /. would have bought the Guardian's story. Or we would've at least questioned it, not taking it as fact.
Julian is in jail. Nobody believes in him anymore. Wikileaks is dead, and nobody even noticed. The CIA pulled yet another successful operation on its own people and the world, and the press took care of cleaning up after them. And nobody gives a fuck.
I see very few people here that understand this. As usual, we are a minority, but when even in /., when everybody here is a minority, you can only see a minority of the minority display any kind of reasoning skills, you can tell something's fucked up.
Yes, Nice work indeed. Copyright sucks, and I have no respect for that law whatsoever. If laws are unethical, it's our duty to break them.
You are schizophrenic.
I find it so funny when religious types try to sound academical. And I make a huge mistake by trying to disprove your delusions with logic.
You are just a deranged lunatic that believes in mythical creatures, and it's not logic's business to deal with your delusions, I'll leave that to psychologists.
That goes against the definition of existing.
If you can't relate to it in anyway, if you can't measure it, or interact with it in any way, then it doesn't exist.
That whole "it's another plane of existence" is just nice words, it doesn't mean what you think it does.
See, now you have nailed it: You feel nervous about it.
That's all this is about. You idiots have no actual understanding of this issue, you haven't reached an ethical decision, you aren't on higher moral ground. You just feel nervous about it, because you are all fucking pussies, and try to push everyone around and change our ways because you refuse to get a fucking shrink.