They might not have the capability to put men in orbit, but they can send women. Amazon women. There was a documentary about it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0...
I wouldn't buy Ford or Nissan or Tesla. The point is, why own Tesla stock at this point? It is a cult. There is no justification for it. The financials are terrible. Their cars aren't "green". They are just expensive tech toys for the 1%. It makes no sense. The only "rational" people are the short sellers as they can potentially make a lot of money if the stock drops. How much higher could Tesla go? It already has a huge unjustified market cap.
"So far I haven't seen any indication that any established car makers have the ability to mass-produce a desirable (in particular, long-range) electric car and sell it at a profit"
Gee, I wonder why that is? Even Tesla can't manage it. Why would the other carmakers be able to? There is no need to mass produce EVs at this point. The market isn't there. Eventually EVs will likely take over the market, but that time isn't now. There is no "secret sauce" to an EV. Tesla is a niche producer of an expensive car line.
Wow. That explains a lot about you "investors". Tesla is MUCH more risky than Amazon. Amazon actually makes...money. Amazon doesn't have $10 billion in debt with bonds at junk status currently trading at 90 cents on the dollar. And no, I wouldn't buy Amazon either!
"*If* they need it, that capital would easily come from these sales figures and market share."
What? That isnt where the money comes from. It comes from convertible bonds (YOU). You should NOT BE INVESTING in individual stocks. You don't even know the basics.
There are 9 million cars registered in Texas. That means that 0.2% of all cars in Texas are Teslas. That is the main problem with Tesla fanboys: they have no concept of proportion. Chances are those 20k Teslas are in Austin and the other tech hubs.
Ask yourself this: why do you own Tesla stock at all? Why don't you own Nissan stock? They actually produce EVs that normal people can afford. It can't be the Tesla financials: they look terrible. It is almost like you guys are in a cult.
Oh you got one thing right: Elon will get his money from the capital markets. Guess where that money comes from? Convertible bonds. Do you know what they are? They convert to stock, which means YOUR STOCK will get diluted. And yeah, so typical with the Amazon comparison. Tesla is no Amazon. It is more like an Enron, complete with the egomaniac CEO who can't control his temper.
How do I know if the stock will go up or not? I have no idea. The stock is intrinsically worth about $0 at this point, but it is $291. Tesla has a market capitalization greater than GM. It makes no sense. My point is as an individual stockholder you guys are looking at the wrong thing. You are putting your money at a huge risk with very little additional upside and zero return in your investment until you sell. Do you think Tesla stock will double and go to $600? Then you "made" 100%. What if it goes bankrupt? You lost all your money. Is the risk worth potentially making 100%? That is nuts.
That makes no sense. How would "bears" drive the stock price down, especially if no one is selling? I can't believe you guys actually own individual stocks, especially risky ones like Tesla. People are saying that Tesla will need another round of financing because it is likely true. They are burning through cash and won't have any left. And according to Tesla they are looking at opening up more factories. Where is that capital coming from? Convertible bonds.
No thanks. I wouldn't short Tesla. You guys are way too irrational and it was way too risky. I wouldn't go long or short Tesla, no individual should, that is my point. I wouldn't purchase a Mercedes anything, not even sure why you brought that up. You guys are nuts.
Most likely what happened was that Tesla desperately threw together cars in their tent production line in order to desperately make some random production goal that Elon set in order to make the "shorts" pay up. The cars then sat there and can't be sold because they need to be reworked to fix the problems. You can take Teslas production and backlog numbers with a grain of salt. Most of their backlog, if there is one anymore, is looking for a $35k model, not the $50k+ models they are selling now. Since it is doubtful that Tesla is going to produce that $35k model then people are dropping out. There are only so many people that can afford a $50k+ EV car. That doesn't mean that EVs won't win out eventually.
The market segment they are talking about is 4% of car sales. Tesla "owns" 23% of that, so I guess the chances of you seeing one is small. You will see them mostly in tech valley California and DC and New York so rich people can virtue signal how much they care about the environment...in their car.
And especially this market segment. This narrow segment that Tesla is "winning" in represents about 4% of all vehicle sales. And they (supposedly) own 23% of that 4%. The sales numbers are doubtful, but even if true it makes no difference.
I don't know why people are so concerned about the "shorts". The shorts have "made" over $1.25 billion this month alone. You guys don't even know the basics.
Well then as a stockholder you are looking at the wrong thing then. You can have all those things and still go out of business. The fact is that Tesla is $10 billion in debt and has a negative 90 P/E ratio. In addition, Tesla will need to go back to the capital markets to get more money. This means more convertible bonds, which means YOUR stock will be diluted further. You shouldn't be investing in individual stocks unless you really know what you are doing. Even then the risk is very high, because companies could be lying about their numbers (e.g. Enron). None of this should be a surprise. Tesla is down 20% in the last 12 months while the overall (bull) market has been up 12%.
Yes they do. But you are too entranced by shiny shit that you don't recognize it. And this is what you get: paying mega corporations every month so they can do whatever they want with your software, your computer, and your data. You are too stupid.
There is no reason to read any article on this topic. The headline says it all. This is totally expected as the interest in self-driving cars will eventually fade out. Just like it did in the 1970s and 80s. And the editors aren't paying attention at this point to whatever they post.
It is the part where the car does, you know, autonomous driving. You know, the kind where it doesn't require a human driver. Didn't you ever wonder why these "autonomous" cars always have at least TWO drivers in them? I guess everyone misses that part because, you know, progress is inevitable. Keep spending those billions though, autonomous driving is right around the corner!
Net profit for the year, EURm 3,662 (2015) 3,766 (2016) 3,048 (2017)
Number of employees (full-time equivalents) 29,815 (2015) 31,596 (2016) 30,399 (2017).
Their highest profit year is when the had the highest number of employees.
As for the current quarter: "The results were also buoyed by previously announced capital gains from the sales of its Danish life and pensions business and a stake in credit information agency UC." Oh yeah, but robots are taking over and stuff. Who comes up with this crap?
Yes you do. And that might not be possible to do. It isn't there yet, and it might never be. The next 20% needs to be solved. You guys are way too optimistic about this stuff.
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They might not have the capability to put men in orbit, but they can send women. Amazon women. There was a documentary about it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0...
I wouldn't buy Ford or Nissan or Tesla. The point is, why own Tesla stock at this point? It is a cult. There is no justification for it. The financials are terrible. Their cars aren't "green". They are just expensive tech toys for the 1%. It makes no sense. The only "rational" people are the short sellers as they can potentially make a lot of money if the stock drops. How much higher could Tesla go? It already has a huge unjustified market cap.
"So far I haven't seen any indication that any established car makers have the ability to mass-produce a desirable (in particular, long-range) electric car and sell it at a profit"
Gee, I wonder why that is? Even Tesla can't manage it. Why would the other carmakers be able to? There is no need to mass produce EVs at this point. The market isn't there. Eventually EVs will likely take over the market, but that time isn't now. There is no "secret sauce" to an EV. Tesla is a niche producer of an expensive car line.
Wow. That explains a lot about you "investors". Tesla is MUCH more risky than Amazon. Amazon actually makes...money. Amazon doesn't have $10 billion in debt with bonds at junk status currently trading at 90 cents on the dollar. And no, I wouldn't buy Amazon either!
"*If* they need it, that capital would easily come from these sales figures and market share."
What? That isnt where the money comes from. It comes from convertible bonds (YOU). You should NOT BE INVESTING in individual stocks. You don't even know the basics.
No idea what ZeroHedge is, but sorry snowflake I'll post whatever I want.
There are 9 million cars registered in Texas. That means that 0.2% of all cars in Texas are Teslas. That is the main problem with Tesla fanboys: they have no concept of proportion. Chances are those 20k Teslas are in Austin and the other tech hubs.
Ask yourself this: why do you own Tesla stock at all? Why don't you own Nissan stock? They actually produce EVs that normal people can afford. It can't be the Tesla financials: they look terrible. It is almost like you guys are in a cult.
Oh you got one thing right: Elon will get his money from the capital markets. Guess where that money comes from? Convertible bonds. Do you know what they are? They convert to stock, which means YOUR STOCK will get diluted. And yeah, so typical with the Amazon comparison. Tesla is no Amazon. It is more like an Enron, complete with the egomaniac CEO who can't control his temper.
How do I know if the stock will go up or not? I have no idea. The stock is intrinsically worth about $0 at this point, but it is $291. Tesla has a market capitalization greater than GM. It makes no sense. My point is as an individual stockholder you guys are looking at the wrong thing. You are putting your money at a huge risk with very little additional upside and zero return in your investment until you sell. Do you think Tesla stock will double and go to $600? Then you "made" 100%. What if it goes bankrupt? You lost all your money. Is the risk worth potentially making 100%? That is nuts.
That makes no sense. How would "bears" drive the stock price down, especially if no one is selling? I can't believe you guys actually own individual stocks, especially risky ones like Tesla. People are saying that Tesla will need another round of financing because it is likely true. They are burning through cash and won't have any left. And according to Tesla they are looking at opening up more factories. Where is that capital coming from? Convertible bonds.
No thanks. I wouldn't short Tesla. You guys are way too irrational and it was way too risky. I wouldn't go long or short Tesla, no individual should, that is my point. I wouldn't purchase a Mercedes anything, not even sure why you brought that up. You guys are nuts.
Most likely what happened was that Tesla desperately threw together cars in their tent production line in order to desperately make some random production goal that Elon set in order to make the "shorts" pay up. The cars then sat there and can't be sold because they need to be reworked to fix the problems. You can take Teslas production and backlog numbers with a grain of salt. Most of their backlog, if there is one anymore, is looking for a $35k model, not the $50k+ models they are selling now. Since it is doubtful that Tesla is going to produce that $35k model then people are dropping out. There are only so many people that can afford a $50k+ EV car. That doesn't mean that EVs won't win out eventually.
The market segment they are talking about is 4% of car sales. Tesla "owns" 23% of that, so I guess the chances of you seeing one is small. You will see them mostly in tech valley California and DC and New York so rich people can virtue signal how much they care about the environment...in their car.
Poor snowflakes. They can't handle facts. Don't worry, Elon is taking you to Mars soon.
And especially this market segment. This narrow segment that Tesla is "winning" in represents about 4% of all vehicle sales. And they (supposedly) own 23% of that 4%. The sales numbers are doubtful, but even if true it makes no difference.
I don't know why people are so concerned about the "shorts". The shorts have "made" over $1.25 billion this month alone. You guys don't even know the basics.
Well then as a stockholder you are looking at the wrong thing then. You can have all those things and still go out of business. The fact is that Tesla is $10 billion in debt and has a negative 90 P/E ratio. In addition, Tesla will need to go back to the capital markets to get more money. This means more convertible bonds, which means YOUR stock will be diluted further. You shouldn't be investing in individual stocks unless you really know what you are doing. Even then the risk is very high, because companies could be lying about their numbers (e.g. Enron). None of this should be a surprise. Tesla is down 20% in the last 12 months while the overall (bull) market has been up 12%.
Yes they do. But you are too entranced by shiny shit that you don't recognize it. And this is what you get: paying mega corporations every month so they can do whatever they want with your software, your computer, and your data. You are too stupid.
There is no reason to read any article on this topic. The headline says it all. This is totally expected as the interest in self-driving cars will eventually fade out. Just like it did in the 1970s and 80s. And the editors aren't paying attention at this point to whatever they post.
It is the part where the car does, you know, autonomous driving. You know, the kind where it doesn't require a human driver. Didn't you ever wonder why these "autonomous" cars always have at least TWO drivers in them? I guess everyone misses that part because, you know, progress is inevitable. Keep spending those billions though, autonomous driving is right around the corner!
Lets see the video. Oh, it is some virtual "model"? Carry on then.
Net profit for the year, EURm 3,662 (2015) 3,766 (2016) 3,048 (2017)
Number of employees (full-time equivalents) 29,815 (2015) 31,596 (2016) 30,399 (2017).
Their highest profit year is when the had the highest number of employees.
As for the current quarter: "The results were also buoyed by previously announced capital gains from the sales of its Danish life and pensions business and a stake in credit information agency UC." Oh yeah, but robots are taking over and stuff. Who comes up with this crap?
Right. Because one thing is possible, all things are possible. I can't wait for my unicorn made out of gold (on Mars).
Yes you do. And that might not be possible to do. It isn't there yet, and it might never be. The next 20% needs to be solved. You guys are way too optimistic about this stuff.
That is the same trick that Tesla has been using. Eventually investors figure it out, the stock falls, then the lawsuits start.