we can talk about it all you want. when the numbers change, it will actually matter. I'm all for progress, but badmouthing such tried and proven things like C/C++ in favor of fancy-scripting-du-jour, just ain't cool my friend. and all that because some people cant't handle the complexity. tough shit. IT ain't easy.
Perhaps you should actually learn the history of Linux before you open your mouth and prove your ignorance to the world.
practice what you preach. Linus named it "Freax" -- it was his friend Ari Lemmke, the FTP admin where the code was hosted, that named it "Linux". calling him "the community" is a bit pushing it.
Well, maybe you should be. C is a horrible language to use for writing an entire application with. Plenty of safe, higher-level languages with simple to use FFIs exist that are much better suited to such things.
you keep telling yourself that. meanwhile, in the real world, C/C++ will remain the workhorse of the IT industry.
On second thought I would have to agree that the majority of PHP flaws are due to unskilled programming.
exactly. yet the flamy blurb seems to be contradicting itself:
Basic security issues are not addressed sufficiently by the developers. Zeev Suraski, Zend's CTO of course disagrees and points his finger at inexperienced programmers. But given the number of remote code execution holes in PHP apps this year, Esser might have a point. And he plans to continue his quest for security holes in PHP.
so it's the apps, stupid. how many buffer overflows do we find every day in C/C++ applications? lots. yet I dont hear many people slamming the language. the only serious problem with PHP is the low barrier to entry, which allows every droolmonkey with a text editor to start coding.
but my point was that it is yet another CD, and presumably another unnecessary contribution to landfill eventually
i appreciate the care you have for our wounded environment *coughyougreeniebastardcough*, but you can run it off USB. stick. also, my 9cm/240M tiny cdrw from 2003 that has slackware-live on it (that's what it was called back then) still works and i can fry something else on it anytime.
``NetBSD installs in 2 minutes''
Wow. Ubuntu doesn't even _boot_ in that.
it takes 2 minutes because it has to unpack 62M of.tgz-s for the 3.1 release (full base install, no X, GENERIC kernel). you probably spend more time fiddling around the installer menus, than actually installing the OS.
depending how much shit you got in rc.local, NetBSD will also boot in half an hour if you want it to. but after you install it you'll reach the login in a few seconds. i don't know exactly, i haven't timed it, but it can't be more than 15. seconds.
The BSD release trees have always been sluggish but only because they insist that packages be as stable as reasonably possible.
that "sluggishness" can also be considered a feature. some people don't like the upgrade treadmill, and if the new "features" might introduce bugs they choose to stick with their sta[b]le installs. i still run 2.0.2 on the "serious" boxen for example. so even the BSDs can be too fast sometimes.
What do I get by installing this that I can't get in a 2 year-old Gentoo Linux installation? The BSD's have always been a bit of an enigma to me. Could someone enlighten me?
firs of all, nobody is trying to make you switch. the BSDs aren't out to conquer the world (AFAIK), they just try to make proper operating systems.
proper package management with pkgsrc (your beloved portage? that's where it gets its roots)
the ability to run the same configuration on dozens of different archs (that might not sound like much, if you only run i386, but there's people with lots of different gear out there)
a clean, small, stable base system which includes everything you need to get your server going in a few minutes (literally, NetBSD installs in 2 minutes, even on old hardware) -- you can build on top of that, with pkgsrc or prebuilt binary packages
run your favorite proprietary applications through the emulation layer (compat Linux, compat WIN32, etc)
pretty much everyone I talk to online, from total linux nerd to VB hackers, all agree that whatever MS's other failings, VS7 is pretty sweet.
that's probably the most wretched piece of blasphemy i've ever seen coming out of a slashdotter's (slashbot's? don't want to offend) greasy little fingers.
The download page picks a random mirror. Linking directly to the file would put all of the load on a single mirror.
no, it would not:
# host releases.mozilla.org releases.mozilla.org has address 64.50.236.52 releases.mozilla.org has address 64.50.238.52 releases.mozilla.org has address 130.239.18.158 releases.mozilla.org has address 130.239.18.159 releases.mozilla.org has address 155.98.64.83 releases.mozilla.org has address 216.165.129.134 releases.mozilla.org has address 216.165.129.141
Isn't this standard procedure for most country TLDs?
same thing in Romania. swearwords, etc. are a no-no. for example pula.ro (slang for penis, dick, schlong...) is still free after all these years. and i bet it gets rejected every week.
His writing was unhelpful, unproductive, unprofessional immature, and downright slanderous.
yet, his style always produces results, while perhaps offending some prudes. can you really blame him for that? i know i can't. RMS usually is very polite when crusading, and still people talk shit. i'm glad FOSS fellows like these are around, which just do their thing, and don't pay attention to the naysayers. i wish him the best of luck in this endeavour.
Well, PCs support it. That a pretty significant market.
if you look at OpenBSD's mission statement you'll see that their goal is to build a free secure stable operating system -- and not cater to the needs of whiny people that sound like broken records. you honestly think that OBSD/i386 users will feel left out because their toy didn't come on a DVD and flee to some sort of Fedora/Ubuntu point-click-drool affair? dollars to donuts, they gonna do a netinstall like any normal person while waiting for the CDs to come in the mail.
Slashdot Mirror
As a point of comparison, C was invented around 1972, while the Ford Pinto came out in 1971.
thanks for the car analogy.
we can talk about it all you want. when the numbers change, it will actually matter. I'm all for progress, but badmouthing such tried and proven things like C/C++ in favor of fancy-scripting-du-jour, just ain't cool my friend. and all that because some people cant't handle the complexity. tough shit. IT ain't easy.
Perhaps you should actually learn the history of Linux before you open your mouth and prove your ignorance to the world.
practice what you preach. Linus named it "Freax" -- it was his friend Ari Lemmke, the FTP admin where the code was hosted, that named it "Linux". calling him "the community" is a bit pushing it.
Well, maybe you should be. C is a horrible language to use for writing an entire application with. Plenty of safe, higher-level languages with simple to use FFIs exist that are much better suited to such things.
you keep telling yourself that. meanwhile, in the real world, C/C++ will remain the workhorse of the IT industry.On second thought I would have to agree that the majority of PHP flaws are due to unskilled programming.
exactly. yet the flamy blurb seems to be contradicting itself:Basic security issues are not addressed sufficiently by the developers. Zeev Suraski, Zend's CTO of course disagrees and points his finger at inexperienced programmers. But given the number of remote code execution holes in PHP apps this year, Esser might have a point. And he plans to continue his quest for security holes in PHP.
so it's the apps, stupid. how many buffer overflows do we find every day in C/C++ applications? lots. yet I dont hear many people slamming the language. the only serious problem with PHP is the low barrier to entry, which allows every droolmonkey with a text editor to start coding.i also can't believe they left colossus out. tsk tsk tsk.
but my point was that it is yet another CD, and presumably another unnecessary contribution to landfill eventually
i appreciate the care you have for our wounded environment *coughyougreeniebastardcough*, but you can run it off USB. stick. also, my 9cm/240M tiny cdrw from 2003 that has slackware-live on it (that's what it was called back then) still works and i can fry something else on it anytime.
I just carry around disc#1 of the current Slackware set, which I use to boot from.
SLAX
Has Netcraft confirmed this?
jason dixon confirmed the other one
``NetBSD installs in 2 minutes'' Wow. Ubuntu doesn't even _boot_ in that.
it takes 2 minutes because it has to unpack 62M of .tgz-s for the 3.1 release (full base install, no X, GENERIC kernel). you probably spend more time fiddling around the installer menus, than actually installing the OS.
depending how much shit you got in rc.local, NetBSD will also boot in half an hour if you want it to. but after you install it you'll reach the login in a few seconds. i don't know exactly, i haven't timed it, but it can't be more than 15. seconds.
The BSD release trees have always been sluggish but only because they insist that packages be as stable as reasonably possible.
that "sluggishness" can also be considered a feature. some people don't like the upgrade treadmill, and if the new "features" might introduce bugs they choose to stick with their sta[b]le installs. i still run 2.0.2 on the "serious" boxen for example. so even the BSDs can be too fast sometimes.
What do I get by installing this that I can't get in a 2 year-old Gentoo Linux installation? The BSD's have always been a bit of an enigma to me. Could someone enlighten me?
firs of all, nobody is trying to make you switch. the BSDs aren't out to conquer the world (AFAIK), they just try to make proper operating systems.
second, you get:
and many more. you can read in detail on the project's feature page. that being said:
10:49:47 (1.15 MB/s) - `i386cd-3.0.2.iso' saved [209747968]
you mean like they did with search?
This is a dealbreaker for me - back to Firefox 2.5.0.7.
you'll need 1.21 Jiggawatts!!1 for that.
pretty much everyone I talk to online, from total linux nerd to VB hackers, all agree that whatever MS's other failings, VS7 is pretty sweet.
that's probably the most wretched piece of blasphemy i've ever seen coming out of a slashdotter's (slashbot's? don't want to offend) greasy little fingers.
/goes to wash eyeballs
The download page picks a random mirror. Linking directly to the file would put all of the load on a single mirror.
no, it would not:
Isn't this standard procedure for most country TLDs?
same thing in Romania. swearwords, etc. are a no-no. for example pula.ro (slang for penis, dick, schlong...) is still free after all these years. and i bet it gets rejected every week.
ftrules:
One disadvantage is that it deals with whole file systems
NetBSD's dump supports files too, not just filesystems.
Just to clarify my original point... try searching for '@' in the PHP online manual, you'll get no matches
http://php.net/@
who cares? i think you've pretty much answered your own question.
His writing was unhelpful, unproductive, unprofessional immature, and downright slanderous.
yet, his style always produces results, while perhaps offending some prudes. can you really blame him for that? i know i can't. RMS usually is very polite when crusading, and still people talk shit. i'm glad FOSS fellows like these are around, which just do their thing, and don't pay attention to the naysayers. i wish him the best of luck in this endeavour.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/12/intel_csi_ low/
CSI: Santa Clara
can't wait for all the cheesy forensic chipset adventures!
The possibility of the entire database being released is much less likely than the possibility of a single 6-digit number being released.
the joke writes itself...
Well, PCs support it. That a pretty significant market.
if you look at OpenBSD's mission statement you'll see that their goal is to build a free secure stable operating system -- and not cater to the needs of whiny people that sound like broken records. you honestly think that OBSD/i386 users will feel left out because their toy didn't come on a DVD and flee to some sort of Fedora/Ubuntu point-click-drool affair? dollars to donuts, they gonna do a netinstall like any normal person while waiting for the CDs to come in the mail.
OpenBSD is the new NetBSD?
perhaps you meant the old NetBSD? with 17 supported platforms (as opposed to 60) it aint king of portability.