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Googling for ATM Master Passwords

default DOLLAR writes to mention an eWeek article following up on the ATM reprogramming scam pulled in Virginia Beach last week. A security researcher in New York has used a YouTube video, a few Google searches, and other legal methods to discover the master passwords to thousands of ATMs across the country. From the article: "Dave Goldsmith, founder and president of penetration testing outfit Matasano Security, in New York, did not say how he obtained the operator manual--which contains master passwords and other sensitive security information about the cash-dispensing machines--but an eWEEK investigation shows that a simple Google query will return a 102-page PDF file that provides a road map to the hack."

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  1. Giddy-up! by Logiksan · · Score: 5, Funny

    *runs off to Google and YouTube as fast as his little fingers will take him*

    1. Re:Giddy-up! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Don't bother- the PDF has already been removed from Google.

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    2. Re:Giddy-up! by russ1337 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well you can always find more interesting things by doing a Google search for: [Confidential "not for public release"] Like this

      This technique was posted on Boing Boing and Bruce Schneier a couple of weeks ago. Still. Plenty of good stuff out there.

    3. Re:Giddy-up! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Besides, I was wrong- only the PDF for THAT SPECIFIC MODEL has been removed. Operators manuals for hundreds of other ATMs still are up....

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    4. Re:Giddy-up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pdf is gone but there's still a 48mb Word doc online....

    5. Re:Giddy-up! by dan828 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Kids these days got it easy. In my day you had to spend hours digging though dumpsters, now you just click a couple of buttons. What is the world coming to?

    6. Re:Giddy-up! by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand how these intraweb tubes work.

      Google removed its link to the pdf, not the magnetic series of ones and series that make up the physical location of the actual pdf.

    7. Re:Giddy-up! by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      Way-Back Machine anyone?

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    8. Re:Giddy-up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My employer uses a data classification system with very characteristic classification markings and we routinely google for them to identify leaks. No, I'm not going to tell you any more. ;-)

    9. Re:Giddy-up! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you from HP?

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    10. Re:Giddy-up! by Takumi2501 · · Score: 3, Funny

      In the snow? Uphill both ways?

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    11. Re:Giddy-up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.wegrowbusiness.ca/manuals/Tranax_MB_Operator_M anual.pdf?GCE=489d2476c9728ab16cbde0a2acc438a5 Looks like the aformentioned manual in the article

    12. Re:Giddy-up! by EastcoastSix13 · · Score: 1

      Is the you tube video still around?

    13. Re:Giddy-up! by Romwell · · Score: 1

      Someone please mod this up ! The guy read my thoughts :)

    14. Re:Giddy-up! by DennisMichaelMathews · · Score: 1

      Just a story to share with or in a way to think off, "All ATMs in punjab were jammed and not in working condition. Because, sardarji's wife put her hairpin in machine when it said 'Enter your pin'", if we look closely folks, at the end of the day its goin to be our fault when we are setting up our password for any confediantly transactions. Alertness and a SECURE passwords should be given a 1st class priority in this case.;)

    15. Re:Giddy-up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i also like searching for:
      confidential sony filetype:ppt
      substitute any other company name as needed

    16. Re:Giddy-up! by nanoakron · · Score: 1

      Try 'FOIA Exempt'

      Suspiciously large showing from the EPA...

      -Nano.

    17. Re:Giddy-up! by erbbysam · · Score: 1

      wicked confidential: http://lockport-ny.com/Features/confidential.htm ... that's security for ya

    18. Re:Giddy-up! by mafilee · · Score: 1

      with google.. worlds is in your hand. Everything you need you can find easily using google. how to hack or crack or to cook you can find the way in google..just search and click the link..there you go, you find the destination.

    19. Re:Giddy-up! by TT074307 · · Score: 1

      Its seems like you only like google. Google is not the only one the search engine. Search engines like yahoo, msn and infoseek and etc also very good. It is very easy to use also. All the information that we need is given to us within few seconds. It really feels that the world is in our finger tips with one click without even moving anywhere from your sitting place. Wow...that's what i call technology.

    20. Re:Giddy-up! by it074813 · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the era of online banking !!

    21. Re:Giddy-up! by tt076860 · · Score: 1

      some people look this as a benefit to them and some people look it as a really disaster to them...

      so i believe there must be a good and a bad of something...

      technology can be good sometimes but sometimes it can bring disaster...

      i hate when my computer been infected by viruses...its really make me screwed up!!!

  2. The default password is... by Tackhead · · Score: 1
    "123420"

    (Man, I am so going to Gitmo if my joke turns out to be right.)

    1. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try 555555

    2. Re:The default password is... by Talondel · · Score: 5, Informative
    3. Re:The default password is... by jenkin+sear · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought it was up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start ...

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    4. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > "123420"

      That's the kind of password an ATM hacker would use on his luggage!

    5. Re:The default password is... by zenray · · Score: 4, Interesting

      001234 as stated in the link. But to be fair it also stated in very big bold type that this default master password should be changed. The fact the master password remains unchanged is a user error in the setup and not a design flaw. Every master password not changed was left that way by 'somebody'. That 'somebody' needs to sued (or beaten severly about the head and shoulders with a security clue stick) for allowing easy access to the money. Unless they were ordered by managment to leave it as defaulted.

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    6. Re:The default password is... by howard_coward · · Score: 1

      and i dont know how in the hellican.

    7. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so dumb. The default password for Verisign Credit Card readers at like 90% of the POS's is 166831. You can find it on google by typing in something like Verisign POS manual. Don't believe me? Hold the number 7 and the green yes button and then type that number!

    8. Re:The default password is... by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, should ATMs even come with a default password so that they can be hacked? Shouldn't reprogramming them require using some sort of physical/electronic key thats more difficult for people to get ahold of? If you can reprogram an ATM by walking up to it and typing in any code, regardless of whether it's the default password or not, then the ATM security is terrible. It's one thing to put a default password on a digital cable box for blocking channels, it's another matter entirely to put a default password on an ATM.

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    9. Re:The default password is... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows the access code is 42721.

      Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?

    10. Re:The default password is... by scovetta · · Score: 1

      There's a 'select' between the A and the Start.

      You should go back and play a couple hundred more hours of Contra (or Life Force).

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    11. Re:The default password is... by Inner_Child · · Score: 1

      Only if you want a two-player game.

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    12. Re:The default password is... by flooey · · Score: 1

      However, should ATMs even come with a default password so that they can be hacked? Shouldn't reprogramming them require using some sort of physical/electronic key thats more difficult for people to get ahold of?

      Like all security, it's a risk-versus-reward question. That would certainly offer better security in a perfect situation, but it could result in you being locked out of your own ATM if that key happens to get lost (or is with the president of the branch who's on vacation, or whatever), and it also means if the key is stolen it's a lot more expensive to lock the ATM back down (reissuing keys rather than just changing the password).

    13. Re:The default password is... by blanks · · Score: 1

      its u u d d l r l r a b select start
      or u u d d l r l r b a select start

      or u u d d l r l l r l b a select start
      or u u d d l r l l r l a b select start

      select was only for 2 player games, if you wanted only single player you wouldnt hit select.

    14. Re:The default password is... by xlr8ed · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's the combination to my luggage

    15. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's for mobile ATMs, they haven't been relea.. hey, how the !£$% did you get it?

    16. Re:The default password is... by cosmicj · · Score: 1
      hmm,.. this page http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XNLfY_rBtFYJ:ww w.tritonatm.com/en/service/technical_bulletins/05- 48.pdf+tritonatm.com+manual+password&hl=en&gl=us&c t=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a claims it's 6 zero's. ;-)

      Enter In Passwords This is a new screen that prompts the users to enter the Passwords so that the VEPP can verify the user. There are two passwords that are required to be entered. Factory default for these passwords is 000000.
    17. Re:The default password is... by Phillup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But to be fair it also stated in very big bold type that this default master password should be changed.

      Just to play devil's advocate...

      That box should have been on the damn cover of the instruction manual instead of 30 some odd pages back (page 19 + the "intro").

      Chances are, if it was right in your face... you'd change it.

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    18. Re:The default password is... by spacerog · · Score: 2, Informative
      That is the Triton manual. That machine requires a power cycle to get to the admin interface.

      Try this instead http://www.wegrowbusiness.ca/manuals/

      The Tranax Mini-Bank 1500 doesn't require a power cycle.

      - Space Rogue

    19. Re:The default password is... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But to be fair it also stated in very big bold type that this default master password should be changed. The fact the master password remains unchanged is a user error in the setup and not a design flaw.

      I would say that's incorrect. It should be a trivial matter for the software to be written to REQUIRE the default password to be changed before the machine will actually give out money. Rather like having to immediately change your password when you first login to an account. It's not a difficult concept, and while this is technically a 'lack' of a feature rather than a bug, it's certainly a flaw in design, and a pretty basic one at that.

    20. Re:The default password is... by slashnik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is clearly rubbish.

      Stating the bleeding obvious, ATMs contain cash.
      All ATM's have keys, combination locks or a mixture of the two.
      There is no good reason for the operator mode switch not to be locked away.

      Whoever makes these ATMs deserves all the bad publicity that they get.

    21. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap, it has a 'test dispense' mode that can be used after just entering the master password.
      Screw changing the value it thinks the dispensors hold just use the test mode, you can even enter how many notes you want......

      Which moron designed this thing, surely you should have to open the back and insert a security key to reprogram it as well as entering the password.

    22. Re:The default password is... by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      For those who don't get it: Konami Code

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    23. Re:The default password is... by manastungare · · Score: 1

      Atleast it wasn't on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying, "Beware of the Leopard".

    24. Re:The default password is... by BSonline · · Score: 1

      You have to press "Select" once before hitting start.

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    25. Re:The default password is... by Prometheus+Bob · · Score: 1

      They're called "terminals" and you're thinking of Verifone. =P

    26. Re:The default password is... by suparjerk · · Score: 1

      I am replying, assuming you are referring to Contra for the NES.

      In actuality, ending the code with "... B A select start" would indeed start the game with only one player. You had to enter the code while the title screen was still scrolling. By pressing select, it would immediately bring the title screen ... onscreen, and then pressing start afterwards would actually start the game, with the default selection being 1 player. If you wanted to start a 2 player game, you'd have to press select twice -- once to bring the title screen onscreen, and once to change to 2-player mode.

      I actually hardly ever pressed select. Pressing start twice would start a single player game with the code activated just fine. Select wasn't actually part of the code. As long as the "UUDDLRLRBA" was entered correctly, you could press either select or start.

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    27. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "test despense" doesn't send money to the exterior of the machine, it just sends it to an internal discard bin. I don't think there is any way of getting the machine to actually dispense cash in the admin mode.

    28. Re:The default password is... by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Whoever makes these ATMs deserves all the bad publicity that they get.

      Might it be Diebold, by any chance?

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    29. Re:The default password is... by initialE · · Score: 1

      Sure you can configure a default password for machines straight out of the factory, but it wouldn't be hard to program the ATM to require that the password be changed immediately. Like, you know, user accounts....

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    30. Re:The default password is... by TheAlmightyChimp · · Score: 1

      In Australia at least one type has a demostrator card wich looks like and eftpos card and is required along with the access code before you can reprogram the atm

    31. Re:The default password is... by YGingras · · Score: 1
      I would say that's incorrect. It should be a trivial matter for the software to be written to REQUIRE the default password to be changed before the machine will actually give out money. Rather like having to immediately change your password when you first login to an account. It's not a difficult concept, and while this is technically a 'lack' of a feature rather than a bug, it's certainly a flaw in design, and a pretty basic one at that.

      It is worst than that. There is no visible clue that you switched to password prompt mode and nothing that makes it obvious that you made several attempts. You can just swipe a random plastic card and mess with the keys as long as you want. There should be flashing lights and a loud beep when you enter the magic combo to get the pass prompt. Worst design ever!
    32. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The low end (liquor store, bar, etc) ATM market is driven almost exclusively by price. They will do the absolute minimum for the law to put the ATM on the market. Why? Because it's cheapest.

      The risk vs. reward isn't big enough to put in any extra effort.

    33. Re:The default password is... by blanks · · Score: 1

      Yeah there are just the two codes that worked cor contra, the other two were codes that worked with other kanami games.  Useally any of those four codes could work on any of there games.

    34. Re:The default password is... by MartinB · · Score: 1
      Every master password not changed was left that way by 'somebody'. That 'somebody' needs to sued

      If they have the master password, can they not su already?
      Ba-dum tsch

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    35. Re:The default password is... by garwain · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ATM Terminals for my bank have the front keypad tied to transactions only. Want real access? then you have to get past the buildings security systems, into a locked room, unlock the back panel then unlock the cash drawers or enter a password to access the machine. (I was contracted to do the cabling when my branch added a 2nd machine.)

    36. Re:The default password is... by nastybastard · · Score: 1

      I thought it was 12345 -- The same combination I use on my luggage.

    37. Re:The default password is... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I've played Gradius a lot and I never input select for that code.

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    38. Re:The default password is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      is this how a chain of gas (petrol) stations in the UK had their credit card chip/pin system "broken" into and had to suspend its use and revert to signing paper? I can't recall the results of their investigation ever being made public!

    39. Re:The default password is... by Shadyman · · Score: 1

      So the combination is one, two, three, four, five. That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! That's the kinda thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

    40. Re:The default password is... by zootm · · Score: 1

      Been listening to the Moldy Peaches, have we?



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  3. Trivial search - and the password is.... by rblum · · Score: 3, Funny


    12345

    Oh wait. That's my ATM PIN.

    1. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by 1010110010 · · Score: 5, Funny

      1 2 3 4 5? That's the combination an idiot would have on his luggage!

    2. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by JesseL · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's the combination to my luggage!

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    3. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by syrinx · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That's the combination on my luggage!

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    4. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by simtel · · Score: 0, Redundant

      12345? Thats amazing - I have the same combination on my luggage!

    5. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by smithbp · · Score: 1

      12345? Aren't all ATM pins limited to 4 digits?

    6. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by aliendisaster · · Score: 1

      That actually was the default password on old Nokia phones. I made many a free calls by reprogramming the default emergency number from 911 to whatever I needed.

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    7. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by lomedhi · · Score: 1

      12345? Aren't all ATM pins limited to 4 digits?

      Seriously? No. Mine is more than that.

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    8. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by smithbp · · Score: 1

      "Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Well, no shit."

    9. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by pete6677 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      That was so funny - up until the 347th time someone posted it.

    10. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      no. my bank (RBC) allows pins between 4 and 8 digits long.

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    11. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by TT075819 · · Score: 1

      i'm looking for the davinci code, torrent password, i'm trying to encrypte it, but no way, if you know the password, please provide me

    12. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      I don't know why I never thought of that but it wouldn't surprise me if it worked.

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    13. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by lomedhi · · Score: 1

      Heh. A lot of them are limited to four digits, though, aren't they? I've heard several people mention so, and always thought it was pretty stupid, considering how we're always being told to choose long, complex passwords. Your ATM PIN is kind of an important one. Having to present the card itself for two-factor authentication helps, I guess, but each additional digit multiplies your security.

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    14. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by DarkAxi0m · · Score: 1

      When i got my last bank card, the 'guy' behind the counter said that most older machines are only need 4 numbers and ignore the rest, esp ones over seas. He told me this because he said that a lot of people are losing there cards from wrong pin numbers.

      i try it sometimes esp on machines that dont 'take' your card. Seems a fue of the ATM use let me just entre the 1st 4 of my 8ish digit pin, some let me enter the 1st 4 right and wrong numbers for the rest.

    15. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close!

      Actual PW's
      111111
      222222
      555555

      You just can't make this stuff up!

    16. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by madcow_bg · · Score: 1

      The third factor is that you have three tries, and then it dies forever.

      That said, it is good to have only four digits. The helpful thing is that to use it you have to provide a physical ID (the card itself).

    17. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by DJ+Rubbie · · Score: 1

      ... which can be stolen, or replicated by a card reader/writer.

      Watch out for unscrupulous cashiers that might double-swipe your bank card, once to send it to the bank, then the cashier's card reader... then s/he watches you enter in the pin. What happens next is quite predictable.

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    18. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by sam0737 · · Score: 1

      There is TSA required us to keep our luggage unlocked, I believe bank would remove our ATM pin soon, to save admin or to spot terrorists (read foreigner) entering ATM pin.

    19. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by foo074243 · · Score: 1

      better change your password. create strong password to save your account from sombody take over it. just go to this site to see how to create strong password: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/privacy/p assword.mspx

    20. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by hughk · · Score: 1

      I have a six-digit PIN on my ATM card but I live in Europe. When I come to the US I have no problems using the card to get money out. When presented with a foreign card, the PIN field length goes 'undefined' so instead of having a fixed 4-digit field, it is longer and requires an OK or something to terminate it.

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    21. Re:Trivial search - and the password is.... by dkf · · Score: 1

      1 2 3 4 5? That's amazing! That's the same combination as my luggage!

      (Memo to self: change combination on luggage...)

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  4. Please post a link by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    to that 105 page pdf file, please.

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  5. Casino by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently did IT for the largest casino company on the planet. I was dual-property and responsible for two casinos. The master code that would open the keyboxes and get you keys to anywhere in the casino was 654321. And people told each other all their passwords and such all the time.

    I couldn't believe it.

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    1. Re:Casino by sckeener · · Score: 1

      And people told each other all their passwords and such all the time.

      That is the nice thing about working at Chevron. We use smartbadges (+pin#) to log into our computers. The worst a user could do is give away their pin#. They usually don't give away their badges since those are used to access the floors too.

      Now if I could just get the users to lock their workstations. Even if they computer is set to lock when their badges are removed, I find computers unlocked with badges in the computer and with the user no where around.

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    2. Re:Casino by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I recently did IT for the largest casino company on the planet. I was dual-property and responsible for two casinos. The master code that would open the keyboxes and get you keys to anywhere in the casino was 654321. And people told each other all their passwords and such all the time.

      In that environment, they probably could have kept the lids to the keyboxes open and illuminated with flashing neon signs. Anyone foolish enough to try to pull off some sort of heist, with all those cameras and undercover security types, would end up meeting the same fate as the bozo who tries to swipe the dealer's chips -- jail if he's lucky, a trip to swim with the Nevada fishes if he's not.

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    3. Re:Casino by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Very true. The only inch of that casino not covered by cameras was the IT offices. Survailence wasn't allowed to look over my shoulder, because they could see passwords and sensitive data that way. We had cops, investigators and state regulators on property.

      Casinos prosecute is you steal $5 from them.

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    4. Re:Casino by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Supervisors would demand to know all of their employees passwords, people write their passwords at their desk, and the first thing anyone would tell me when they had a problem, was all their passwords.

      The IT Manager (a real twit) had all her passwords written at her desk, and she had full access to everything.

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    5. Re:Casino by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That's a perfect illustration of how technological devices are only a small part of security. Having solid policies that are actually followed means every bit as much, if not more. From TFA:

      "This isn't a vulnerability," Goldsmith explained. "It's someone exploiting a policy weakness, where ATM owners install these things and never change the default password."

      All that's in the PDF is the default password, following a warning in BIG BOLD TYPE saying that you need to change the default password before deploying the machine. Would they put in a new combination lock on their vault and leave a combo of 1-2-3? I should hope not...
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    6. Re:Casino by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      Hello fellow CVX employee! Richmond Refinery here...

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    7. Re:Casino by thewils · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sure big Tony will be along shortly to remove your kneecaps...

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    8. Re:Casino by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Yep, I couldn't agree more. And people who leave the default password likely aren't going to change their ways until they get robbed once.

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    9. Re:Casino by djdavetrouble · · Score: 2, Funny

      The master code that would open the keyboxes and get you keys to anywhere in the casino was 654321. And people told each other all their passwords and such all the time.

      And that is how it all happened.

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    10. Re:Casino by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      But our government insists that organized crime doesn't exist, while at the same time having a division to track organized crime! I'm so confused!

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    11. Re:Casino by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But what really confuses me is WHY is there access ability from the user keypad. I mean geez. There is a back panel on all ATMS that has a keylock for adding cash and programming the machine. Putting the ability to do ANYTHING but normal user functions from the front keypad just smacks of stupidity.

    12. Re:Casino by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      And people who leave the default password likely aren't going to change their ways until they get robbed once.

      You give people too much credit, I'd say twice.

    13. Re:Casino by miro2 · · Score: 1

      In this case, though, the policies of the manufacturer are equally at fault.

      Rather than have a single default password for all machines, the default password should be randomly set, and tied to the machine's serial number in an internal company database. The possibility of the entire database being released is much less likely than the possibility of a single 6-digit number being released.

    14. Re:Casino by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Funny

      "But our government insists that organized crime doesn't exist, while at the same time having a division to track organized crime! I'm so confused!"

      Well it is BECAUSE they have a division to track organized crime that it doesn't exist, just like how since there is a war on drugs, drug use is virtually non-existant anymore...

      Remember when you could go to a concert and see people smoking pot? Or you could find it in high schools, or any night club? Now it's almost impossible to find and if you did (besides being a criminal) it would cost in the thousands of dollars for just a gram of the stuff.

      Ah, the old days, the WOD eliminated that scourge once and for all... God bless America.

    15. Re:Casino by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      No No No if you have watched any CSI its a long walk in the desert not sleep with the fishes (lack on deep water you know in a... wait for it .... ... ....

      you mean you are actually waiting??

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    16. Re:Casino by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      No No No if you have watched any CSI its a long walk in the desert not sleep with the fishes

      Sorry, I'm a Law and Order (dun dun!) fan, myself. I've even been linked to the show by the media, so I'm kinda obligated.

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    17. Re:Casino by kv9 · · Score: 1

      The possibility of the entire database being released is much less likely than the possibility of a single 6-digit number being released.

      the joke writes itself...

    18. Re:Casino by Technician · · Score: 1

      All that's in the PDF is the default password, following a warning in BIG BOLD TYPE saying that you need to change the default password before deploying the machine. Would they put in a new combination lock on their vault and leave a combo of 1-2-3? I should hope not...

      Also in the PDF is the mention of the need for the power interruption to get to the top level menu to enter a password. Somehow I think the ATM should have a LOUD beep that sounds for 10 seconds on power up like a really bad Windows start up sound. Then the staff could be attentive to something is going on with the ATM.

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      The truth shall set you free!
    19. Re:Casino by kevinadi · · Score: 1

      This proves that having a mafia backing is infinitely more secure than complicated password will ever be.

    20. Re:Casino by splatterboy · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you live but here in New York it's very 'existant'... and affordable.

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      "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." ~The Honorable Daniel Patrick Moynihan
    21. Re:Casino by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 2, Funny

      Irony, n: Somewhat like iron. See Goldy, Silvery.

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    22. Re:Casino by itschy · · Score: 1
      Somehow I think the ATM should have a LOUD beep that sounds for 10 seconds on power up like a really bad Windows start up sound

      Mirabilis ICQ has had this for ages!
    23. Re:Casino by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      um, yah my sig is kind of a disclaimer ;) (also responding to parent)

    24. Re:Casino by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Does "the only inch of that casino not covered" include bathrooms? coz that could make for some interesting lawsuits, especially when someone leaks the video of a celebrity taking a piss.

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      Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
  6. Aha! by The+Grey+Clone · · Score: 4, Funny

    We've finally found that mysterious step 2!

    1. Re:Aha! by LMacG · · Score: 1

      obHolyGrail: 3, sir.

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      Slightly disreputable, albeit gregarious
  7. Responsability by corroncho · · Score: 2

    We live in the Age of Information. Almost anyone can't post almost anything and make it available to just about everyone (how's that for ambiguos). This is great power. And with great power come great repsonsability (bet you didn'see that coming).

    I think the problem may lie in he fact that too many companies don't teach their employees the difference between the internet and their intranet.
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    1. Re:Responsability by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      So if my Uncle Ben is already dead, I can use all this stuff from Google, right?

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      Who is John Cabal?
    2. Re:Responsability by gorckat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't you mean, "With great power comes great repostability"?

    3. Re:Responsability by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Almost anyone can't post almost anything and make it available to just about everyone

      I think it's the other way around.

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      William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
  8. We're rich!! We're rich!!! by queenb**ch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Phhhtttt!!!

    That's to all of you who made fun of us geeks!

    *Rude Hand Gesture*

    That's for every bully who ever shoved someone into a locker during PE.

    Due to our superior ability to manipulate poorly secured cash dispensing devices, we shall now rule the world!

    First the treasury...then the military. World domination cannot be far behind.

    2 cents,

    QueenB

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    HDGary secures my bank :/
  9. Nine Days.... by Mr.Scamp · · Score: 5, Funny

    The machine gave $20's for $5's for NINE days after it was reprogrammed before someone commented on it. God Bless America.

    1. Re:Nine Days.... by Poruchik · · Score: 1

      Maybe they thought that they had good (Slashdot) karma.

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    2. Re:Nine Days.... by k2dbk · · Score: 1

      They only complained because they read on /. that it was supposed to give out $50 bills, not $20s (instead of $5s).

    3. Re:Nine Days.... by chad.koehler · · Score: 1

      How may people actually get amounts of money where $5 bills would be the most appropriate denomintation?

      $5 - jackpot!
      $10 - NOPE
      $15 - Becomes 30$ jackpot!
      $20 - NOPE
      ...

    4. Re:Nine Days.... by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

      Ugh. One time my bank's ATM gave me an extra $20. I dutifully stepped into the lobby and told the receptionist. She said another company services the ATM's, so I should fill out this little three-line ATM discrepancy form to let that other company know. She said they'd audit the machine at the end of the week and sort out any issues. Next week, they credited my account $20. wotta system....

    5. Re:Nine Days.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "The machine gave $20's for $5's for NINE days after it was reprogrammed before someone commented on it. God Bless America."

      Just curious...what would you do? If an ATM gave me $100 instead of $10, I'd take it....if they caught the error and had proof of it, I'd give it back, but, until then, it is their problem, not mine.

      Do you give back money when the teller gives you too much?

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    6. Re:Nine Days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in fact, I do.

      And I also expect cashiers, gas station attendants, et al. to notify ME when I pay too much on accident, and I believe that they usually do.

      It's the least you could do to return the courtesy.

    7. Re:Nine Days.... by rkanodia · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, actually. What the hell is wrong with you?

    8. Re:Nine Days.... by cp.tar · · Score: 1
      Do you give back money when the teller gives you too much?

      If an ATM gave me too much money, I'd take it; if they can prove anything, good for them.

      In a shop, though, I even return to the shop to pay for the stuff I wasn't billed for by accident.

      However, I don't return any extra money in the students' mess. They should be paying me anyway at least some of the time.

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      Ignore this signature. By order.
    9. Re:Nine Days.... by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes.

      It's called honesty and ethics.
      But if you leve your car door unlocked, and someone takes it, I'm sure you won't mind, since it was your 'fault'.

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    10. Re:Nine Days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. What are you, some kind of jerk?

    11. Re:Nine Days.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ......If an ATM gave me $100 instead of $10, I'd take it.........

      You think since the commandment "Thou shalt not steal" along with nine others is not allowed to be posted in or on public property it is now OK to be a thief?

      Nevertheless, the One who gave these rules still sees you and in the last Judgment you WILL hear from Him. Then it won't matter what any human court had to say on the subject.

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      All theory is gray
    12. Re:Nine Days.... by not-enough-info · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But if you leve your car door unlocked, and someone takes it, I'm sure you won't mind, since it was your 'fault'.

      If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?

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    13. Re:Nine Days.... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1
      The machine gave $20's for $5's for NINE days after it was reprogrammed before someone commented on it.

      Probably because a total of three people-including the thief- got $5 bills out of an ATM during that time period. Seriously, when was the last time you got $25 out of an ATM. Most don't dispense anything but $20's these days.

    14. Re:Nine Days.... by avonhungen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the fact that most people understand that their banks would never consider returning that "honesty and ethics" factors into the equation. I for one have been forced to "prove" all my bank's errors before they paid me back. They've never approached me first.

      I think I hear that soapbox cracking...

    15. Re:Nine Days.... by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      Banks aren't public property.

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      Stupidity is like nuclear power, it can be used for good or evil. And you don't want to get any on you.
    16. Re:Nine Days.... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I think the fact that most people understand that their banks would never consider returning that "honesty and ethics" factors into the equation.

      Indeed. As they say - "Turnabout is fair play."

      I have never once had a representative of corporate america ever come to me and say, "you made a mistake and gave us too much money, here is your money back." But I have had more cases than I can count of a corporation screwing up and blaming me - oh wait, there was that one time I did get refund. Prudential Car Insurance sent me a refund on a check they deposited 3 months prior -- and a month after they cancelled my insurance for non-payment.

      In this country, the corporations have redefined the term "ethics" to mean "CYA, so you don't get sued"- when no one reported the error with the ATM, the bank got exactly the ethics and honesty that they have been preaching.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    17. Re:Nine Days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called honesty and ethics.

      No, it's just like any other business transaction.. if they make a mistake, then I just collected a $15 "idiot tax". Try harder to fix the machine correctly next time, dudes. Or, hey, just take it out of my savings account, it's not like banks don't audit this shit all the time.

      But if you leve your car door unlocked, and someone takes it, I'm sure you won't mind, since it was your 'fault'.

      What does this mean, exactly? Of course it's my fault if someone takes it, I left the door unlocked. I had a simple way of reducing the changes of theft: lock the door. If I forget, then I'm pretty stupid, because cars are expensive. And if a stranger asks me for a stick of bubble gum and I give him my car keys instead, that's REALLY stupid.

      Summary: if an ATM gives you too much money, take it. You won't go to hell.

    18. Re:Nine Days.... by reason · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've twice deposited more than I thought I had into an ATM and had the bank credit my account with the full amount (instead of the amount I entered) and write me a letter to let me know of my error. And yes, I know I'm not careful enough with money.

    19. Re:Nine Days.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....Banks aren't public property.....

      Of course not. So then it's OK to steal from them?

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      All theory is gray
    20. Re:Nine Days.... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Bank or Credit Union? I expect that behaviour from credit unions since they aren't suppossed to have a profit motive (although the really big CU's seem to think they are banks and act accordingly, like CEFCU for one).

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    21. Re:Nine Days.... by Vryl · · Score: 1

      I've twice deposited more than I thought I had into an ATM and had the bank credit my account with the full amount

      And how many times have you deposited more than you thought and had some slimebag steal it?

      If you are a fucking moron, and your story seems to prove it, there is a good chance you have done this more often than 2wice.

    22. Re:Nine Days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But if you leve your car door unlocked, and someone takes it, I'm sure you won't mind, since it was your 'fault'.

      Thanks for that obligatory car analogy, the world feels safer, better place now.

    23. Re:Nine Days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I absolutely would give the money back if the teller gives me too much because the teller is responsible for their own till and if it is short they may have consequences to face. An ATM on the other hand, if a person is responsible for the error that results in you getting extra money, you returning the money likely wouldn't affect whether they were disiplined/fired or not.

    24. Re:Nine Days.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After years of depreciation I had determined that my car was worth less than the amount of insurance I'd already paid on it, and half the amount it was insured for, so I decided it would be great if someone stole it. So for a month or two I didn't bother locking it for a while, no one stole it, however every now and then I found 5 argentinian pesos in my center console (I live on the other side of the planet from argentina). I think someone (from argentina) had been sleeping in it, and was leaving me the odd worthless bit of currency as a symbolic thankyou.

      So the moral of the story is, you try to do a bad deed, you end up doing good.... life can be cruel.

    25. Re:Nine Days.... by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

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    26. Re:Nine Days.... by willutah · · Score: 1

      Won't the banks be able to trace the people who pulled the extra cash out and prosecute them?

    27. Re:Nine Days.... by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > You think since the commandment "Thou shalt not steal" along with nine others is not allowed to be posted in or on public property it is now OK to be a thief?

      You think since the commandment "Thou shalt hold no gods before me" along with nine others is not allowed to be posted in or on public property it is now OK to be a non-Christian?

      Kinda steals your holy thunder, that. This is the reason why the Ten Commandments don't belong in public places. Good work making it so easy to demonstrate.

      Virg

    28. Re:Nine Days.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ......This is the reason why the Ten Commandments don't belong in public places.....

      OK, lets then post the other nine and more importantly OBEY them.

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      All theory is gray
    29. Re:Nine Days.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Ah...but, that is not theft. I did not break in, and take something. They gave me more than I wanted, but, that is not theft. I just accepted what they gave me.

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    30. Re:Nine Days.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "It's called honesty and ethics. But if you leve your car door unlocked, and someone takes it, I'm sure you won't mind, since it was your 'fault'."

      Well, the car analogy doesn't really hold up as the same. In that case, you would still be breaking and entering and taking something from someone.

      But, just standing there with your hand out after making a request for money...and just accepting what they willingly give you...is not theft.

      Honesty? Well, I don't think it is dishonest...accepting what they give me is not lying. However, it would fail the 'ethical' test....but, I'm not that concerned on that one.

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    31. Re:Nine Days.... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Of course it's my fault if someone takes it, I left the door unlocked. I had a simple way of reducing the changes of theft: lock the door.

      If I steal your car by breaking a window, is it still you fault for not reinforcing your windows? Is it still your fault if I cut the roof off?

      Your argument fails the common sense sniff test. It is never the victim's fault - only the perpetrator of the crime is responsible.

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    32. Re:Nine Days.... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      The original article was a little light on specifics, but I think the point of the article may have been that the ATM thought it had _only_ fives in it, so a withdrawal of $20 would be 4x $20's instead of 4x $5's.

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    33. Re:Nine Days.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....They gave me more than I wanted, but, that is not theft. I just accepted what they gave me......

      Taking or accepting something that is not yours, that the giver gives you in error, is theft at worst or at least dishonest, which is a form of lie, also on the 10 commandment list. It is not a gift from them to you. If you lose your wallet on the street you'd be glad to get it back with everything still in it. So then you also make the people happy by giving back whatever you KNOW is not really yours. Do to others as you would like it done to you.

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    34. Re:Nine Days.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      If someone freely gives me something, then it is mine.

      No theft or lie there. I did not receive this extra money by dishonesty or deception on my part.

      Ethical? No, not really, but, not dishonest, and not a lie, I have made no deceptive statements before or after receiving money. I don't believe silence can be a 'lie'.

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    35. Re:Nine Days.... by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      No. It's okay for the owner to display the ten commandments in them. Read the GP.

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    36. Re:Nine Days.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....If someone freely gives me something, then it is mine....

      Do you know the meaning of error? They made an error, which of they had not, means you would not have gotten the money. Taking anything that is not honestly yours, either by gift or earned is in EFFECT the same as stealing it. It doesn't matter WHAT you choose to call it. They did NOT knowingly give you that money and you did not earn it by providing a good or service to them, therefore it is not yours to keep.

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    37. Re:Nine Days.... by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Good core point, but instead of the fluffy religious bullshit, I'd settle for "stealing is wrong."

    38. Re:Nine Days.... by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > OK, lets then post the other nine and more importantly OBEY them.

      Yeah, because "thou shalt not worship graven images" or perhaps "honor the Sabbath and keep it holy" aren't exclusionary in the least.

      Get lost. Your rules don't belong in public places, since the majority of them apply to your own religion. Do you even know them? You can feel free to obey them if you like, but leave them in your church, unless you're willing to accept and obey the rules of other religions as well. Until you can grasp that, you're just a religious bigot.

      Virg

    39. Re:Nine Days.... by reason · · Score: 1

      Bank.

  10. Testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    penetration testing outfit Matasano Security

    If I was man enough to own a penetration testing outfit I would not call it Matasano Security.

  11. Google query by szembek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what was his "simple Google query"?

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    1. Re:Google query by Talondel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know what his was, but the one I used was:

      atm operator manual

      It returned a fair number of, well, ATM Operator Manuals in .pdf format. Most seemed to include the default master operator password. Took me about 3 minutes.

    2. Re:Google query by szembek · · Score: 1

      Nevermind, I see somebody posted it.

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    3. Re:Google query by lixee · · Score: 1

      It's a proof-of-concept. Yet, the exploit predates it.

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    4. Re:Google query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nevermind, I see somebody posted it.
      I'm sorry, I can't see it. Where is it?
    5. Re:Google query by MDMurphy · · Score: 2, Informative

      This will work:

      Tranax Mini-Bank "Transaction Setup" .ca

      All from the article, they even put the quotes around "transation setup" for you. Didn't see .ca but did mention it was a Canadian reseller.

    6. Re:Google query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removed. But God bless Google Cache :)

    7. Re:Google query by El_nino_raj · · Score: 1

      what was the other legal method used by the security researcher?

  12. That reminds me... by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    If Mel Brooks is going to make a Spaceballs cartoon, why stick it where it will be never seen, with the 100-mpg engine and the ark of the covenant?

  13. WOW by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow that is cool, it was a quick search and I found it!

    It says that to enter the management screen you hold the key and press one. Then the default UID is 00 and the default password is 12345 so you should enter 0012345 into the prompt.

    I am off to the ATM down stairs. I could use a little extra cash.

    1. Re:WOW by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      I am off to the ATM down stairs. I could use a little extra cash.

      Make sure you smile for the camera :-)

    2. Re:WOW by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      No need, A little tape and some paper. Approach from the side and slap it on.

    3. Re:WOW by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      Ive never seen those private atms with a camera pointed at them. Perhaps the store or bar has a camera, but if they are the ones I always see that charge you 1.25 per transaction, they dont. The ones with cameras are the ones in the bank.

      Still I don't know If I will personally try this hack as yes, its pretty damned illegal. All those times those machines charged me a 1.25 convience fee however... hmm. Paybacks a bitch.

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    4. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I am off to the ATM down stairs. I could use a little extra cash.


      Good idea. Smile for the camera when you are down there.

    5. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make sure you don't use your own ATM card either...

    6. Re:WOW by davidmcn · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, I assumed that you were joking about the password, I was thinking there is no way the default password could be 0012345....then low and behold, right there in the doc, there it is....

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      Memories become legend, Legend fades to myth, and even myth is forgotten by the time that age comes again.-Robert Jordan
    7. Re:WOW by Anon-Admin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      $1.25????

      Heck the ones around here charge $2.25 and then your bank adds another $1.75 for the transaction.

      If the ATM is in a remote location or a special event the ATM charge goes up. The last gun show I went to, the ATM was charging $9.56 per transaction. If I could have left and came back with out having to pay the $15 door fee I would have gotten the money from some where else.

    8. Re:WOW by MooUK · · Score: 1

      In the UK, in my experience, ALL ATMs owned by a bank do not charge you, and I don't know any bank which charges you either. There are ATMs that are operated by other entities for profit, which tend to have a charge. I avoid those for obvious reasons.

    9. Re:WOW by jtaylor00 · · Score: 1

      You should use PNC Bank if it is in your area. All transactions on thier ATM's are free, and if you have more than a $2,500 average daily balance in your checking, they will reimburse you for fees incurred while using non-PNC ATM's.

    10. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to post as AC so you can't be tracked down...

    11. Re:WOW by Firehed · · Score: 1

      What, ski masks too good for you?

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    12. Re:WOW by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      No, I am just a cheep bastard :)

    13. Re:WOW by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Try an ATM on the floor of a casino. I think they'd take up to $50 for a single transaction. I should have snapped a pic of that, it was pretty funny/sad.

    14. Re:WOW by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1
      you hold the key and press one
      Which one? Will the ANY key work?
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    15. Re:WOW by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I took a double-take at the cash machines in Vegas because I initially thought that. That's only for a cash advance on credit, though. If you were just using it to withdraw cash from your account it was a relatively normal fee structure, something like $2 for every $100 withdrawn or whatever. This was in the MGM Grand in May, so I doubt it's changed since then.

    16. Re:WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ski mask = "suspect is estimated to be {height} tall, weigh {weight}, and wearing a pocket protector."

      tape over camera = "and we trust them to make our voting machines?"

    17. Re:WOW by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Just remember to put a sticky note over the security camera. =)

  14. the google query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Search for: atm operator manual filetype:pdf

    1. Re:the google query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what, no link?! ... pfffft

  15. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US dollar is a fictional currency anyway. In fact, why don't we all go out and steal some 'potential' right fucking now?

    Ha!

    1. Re:So what? by omega9 · · Score: 1

      The US dollar is a fictional currency anyway

      This is different from other world currencies.... how? From your Wikipedia link: Although fractional-reserve banking is near universal,...

      Besides that, how exactly is it justification for currency theft? Are you usually this incorrect in your arguements?

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    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > how exactly is it justification for currency theft?

      It's not theft if I'm borrowing it against my future potential.

  16. "Gawd, Idiots!" by patrixmyth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here I was thinking that the problems with voting machines had to be intentional, since ATM's were so much better secured. Now that I find out that a keystroke combination on the interface of an ATM will bring up a GUI to reprogram the machine, protected only by a default password, I can rest assured that the world is not as shrouded in conspiracy as I feared. It's just full of very very very (very very very very very) stupid people. Now, watch as one of these aforementioned idiots elected to public office blames this on Google.

    --
    "Don't you know you're going to shock the monkey?"- Peter Gabriel
    1. Re:"Gawd, Idiots!" by Phillup · · Score: 1

      Now that I find out that a keystroke combination on the interface of an ATM will bring up a GUI to reprogram the machine, protected only by a default password

      Hm... diebold makes ATMs... and voting machines.

      You don't suppose they reused some of the code do you?

      Anybody know how to pull up the interface on a diebold ATM!?

      (You can bet your ass I'd try it on the voting machine!)

      --

      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    2. Re:"Gawd, Idiots!" by gewalker · · Score: 1

      ref: Hanlon's Razor

      "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    3. Re:"Gawd, Idiots!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Here I was thinking that the problems with voting machines had to be intentional, since ATM's were so much better secured.

      Yeah, in hindsight, it's so obvious! Instead of "they got ATMs right, so they should be able to get this right, too", it's "they screwed this up, so they probably screwed up ATMs, too, but no one's noticed yet." If I'd just made that leap, I could have had a successful bank-robbing career...but the cat's out of the bag now...

    4. Re:"Gawd, Idiots!" by jabelar · · Score: 1

      That's why I'm not afraid of conspiracies. Conspiracy theories require a group of smart people, and what's the chance of that?

    5. Re:"Gawd, Idiots!" by avonhungen · · Score: 1

      Kills me every time i see this. Please don't compare e-voting to atms anymore. The crucial functional difference is that ATM transactions can (and are) traced back to a specific person. Votes are (supposed to be) anonymous once they are cast.

      Think about that for a few seconds. It's a massive difference.

    6. Re:"Gawd, Idiots!" by kevinadi · · Score: 1

      The world is full of idiots that is controlled by the rich & powerful that'll exploit each and every single one of them. There is no conspiracy, it's just that the rich & powerful are friends with one another. You can expect them to do what you would do to help your friends, but affecting more people negatively in the process.

      It seems that the human race haven't evolved enough yet. Why do people believe we're a straight descendant of God when every day we do what chimps would do to protect its banana. If this is not a proof of evolution I don't know what is.

  17. Why dont you require a hardware key? by martonlorand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even basic Cash registers require a key to be plugged in turned to to step into manager or some other mode. Why wouldnt those ATM-s require that the case would be open and a key sticked in to go in programming mode... Can you do a memory owerflow hack into the software ower the keyboard? >Othervise I dont understand how could you get the machine out of normal state and put it in programming mode. If it is build in the software - dude - fire the security and software development team... Thats just crazy to have a possibility like that without some harware security check...

    1. Re:Why dont you require a hardware key? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Effectively, I think many do. The article said some machines require access to switches found behind the front panel of the machine - which you're not going to be able to get at without unlocking it first.

    2. Re:Why dont you require a hardware key? by Phillup · · Score: 1

      Why wouldnt those ATM-s require that the case would be open and a key sticked in to go in programming mode...

      Hold on, let me adjust my tin foil...

      There, much better now.

      Maybe some country asked them to do it this way so their agents could have a fallback method of getting some quick cash?

      Just thinking out loud here...

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      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    3. Re:Why dont you require a hardware key? by Technician · · Score: 1

      Can you do a memory owerflow hack into the software ower the keyboard? >Othervise I dont understand how could you get the machine out of normal state and put it in programming mode.

      From the PDF.. Unplug the machine. Plug it in. In the first 30 seconds the top level menu is displayed. Hold the CTRL key and press one.. If this is not done the machine enters the customer mode so no intervention is needed after a brief power outage to begin serving customers.

      I know; It's easier to just ask Slashdot. Someone will have read the manual.

      Oh by the way this applies.. RTFM!

      --
      The truth shall set you free!
    4. Re:Why dont you require a hardware key? by coopex · · Score: 1

      Baskin Robbins cash register (the touchscreen ones), at least where I worked only require a 4 digit password, which is routinely given out to employees because they need to use to to close when the manager isn't there, which was pretty much every night where I worked.

      --
      The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
  18. You know what comes next.... by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    .... is the screams of "you can find anything on the Internet, therefore the Internet is evil" from those who are looking for any excuse to clamp down on what's on the net (or Jack Thompson).

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    This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
  19. Re:We're rich!! We're rich!!! by lomedhi · · Score: 5, Funny

    2 cents,

    Please enter a multiple of $5 or $20.

    --
    Did you say "insightful" or "inciteful"?
  20. Has to be said by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    Are the ATM's made by Diebold by any chance?

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    What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
    1. Re:Has to be said by szembek · · Score: 3, Informative

      No but this one is: http://www.diebold.com/ficcdsvdoc/TechPubs/books/T P-820327-001/tp-820327-001-1.htm that one is. Diebold actually makes really good atms in my opinion. At least as far as the end user interface is considered. The ones my bank uses have a lot of nice features: - can dispense change to the penny - can scan/cash/deposit checks - doesn't make you hit OK after you put in your pin (aren't they all 4 chars long?) - doesn't keep your card until the end of the transaction so you forget it

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      nothing
    2. Re:Has to be said by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      Curious that your machines dispense change. After reading TFA, I wondered, 'what kind of ATM dipenses 5 dollar bills'? The only ones I remember using dispense nothing smaller than 10's.

      I mean, I can just picture Joe Sixpack wandering up and hitting the authorization to charge him $1 or $2 just to take out 5 bucks. Then again, I was at a strip club once before I was married and they charged like $7 for ATM withdrawals. Since you'd already paid the cover charge and burned all your beer money on lap dances, they kind of had a captive audience. To their credit though, on the bank statement it read something like "transaction fee by XYZ entertainment group" so a spouse or SO reviewing your statement didn't know it was an ATM fee for a strip club. :p Ah, technology.

      --
      What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
    3. Re:Has to be said by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      I understand that the Diebold voting machine (and associated division) was purchased from another company, not designed by the ATM group.

      --
      Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
    4. Re:Has to be said by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      do the same default passwords work on there voteing Machines?

    5. Re:Has to be said by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "aren't they all 4 chars long?"

      no.
      I had one that was 12 digits long.
      Some banks use 6.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    6. Re:Has to be said by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      TD/Canada Trust just replaced their old, 90's-era, OS/2-running ATMs with those Diebold pieces of utter garbage.

      They are SLOW. REALLY slow. Like running Windows XP on a P2-300. Godawful slow.

      And they ask SO MANY MORE questions. And they don't have the short cut "enter-means-okay".

      I used to be able to complete an ATM withdrawal in well under 20 seconds. Now it's more like 45. It's bloody ridiculous.

      Plus I'm afraid that these American Diebold machines are going to cheat me out of my money somehow. They already stole an election, I figure my paycheque is small potatoes by comparison.

      --

      Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
    7. Re:Has to be said by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      doesn't make you hit OK after you put in your pin (aren't they all 4 chars long?)

      I was in a foreign country and using an ATM there. It required that I enter a 6 digit PIN, but at least I didn't have to hit enter. Too bad I only have a 4 digit PIN. But most there would require "enter" after, and they'd work with 4 or 6 digits.

    8. Re:Has to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I use Bank of America here in the US and they replaced all of the old, monochrome screen'ed ATMs in my city with new, color ones. They do seem to be running some derivative of Windows because the damned thing always makes this annoying *DING* sound when money, a receipt slip, or card is being returned... it's really annoying. And it sounds JUST like one of the old Windows error bings. I also hate the sound because it's like the ATM is saying "HEY, everyone look over here! THIS GUY IS GETTING MONEY, ROB HIM!". Not only that, but they are much slower. It's all very annoying indeed.

      Also, Diebold can't get election machines right, so I don't trust my ATM. I always get a receipt, and double-check that against what I deposited and what my online balance says.

    9. Re:Has to be said by lposeidon · · Score: 0

      i think those have blank passwords.

      --
      Lizard "Never let them set limits on your mind!"
    10. Re:Has to be said by lburdet · · Score: 1
      because this from your linked Diebold service manual is safer??


      Spin the dial left (counterclockwise) until the letters EC appear on the display.

      Enter 5-0-2-5-5-0 on the electronic lock keypad.

    11. Re:Has to be said by szembek · · Score: 1

      These ones actually don't charge a fee at all. Your bank might charge you to use another ATM, but this bank's ATM doesn't apply a surcharge even if you aren't a member. I have used a variety of other diebold ATMs that aren't as good though. It's just that this model in particular seems to be pretty nice.

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      nothing
  21. all you need by Thansal · · Score: 1
    All you probably need are the make and model of what ever ATM you want the "master password" for. Punch that into google and you can probably find a operators manual rather quickly.

    FTFA:
    "If you get your hand on this manual, you can basically reconfigure the ATM if the default password was not changed. My guess is that most of these mini-bank terminals are sitting around with default passwords untouched,"


    yup, peopel don't change the default password and are surprised when some one "hacks" their ATM/account/atmosphear shield.
    --
    Do Or Do Not, There Is No Spoon, There Is Only Zuul. Everything in the above post is probably opinion.
  22. Most important sentence... by PsychosisC · · Score: 1

    FTA:
    "If you get your hand on this manual, you can basically reconfigure the ATM if the default password was not changed." (Emphasis mine)

    The article is about the ease with which one can find the operators manual.. which is a shame, because it entirely misses the point. "ATM Installers use the default password!" is more appropriate.

    1. Re:Most important sentence... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Exactly, because if you don't change the default password, then it doesn't matter how hard the manual is to get, because somebody is going to get it. Maybe somebody else who also has the same kind of ATM. It's stupid not to change the password in this situation.

      --

      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
  23. there's enough clues in the article..... by nblender · · Score: 4, Informative
    For this one you have to carefully RTFA. You actually have to do it. Not just pretend. A simple google search, plus some whois sleuthing to confirm you have the right one, will turn up a company that currently has it's "support.html" disabled (404), but the wayback machine has an old (2005) copy of "support.htm" which has a list of error codes, FAQ, etc, for the machine in question. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that someone put the manual up for download at some point.

    No, I don't have the manual. I don't really care either, it was an interesting academic exercise.

    1. Re:there's enough clues in the article..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, I don't have the manual. I don't really care either, it was an interesting academic exercise.

      But you felt necessary to point that out because you're afraid of something happening otherwise, aren't you? Is it fun living in that kind of place?

  24. WTF?? by astanley218 · · Score: 1

    I think Tranax deserves a serious WTF! here. I haven't seen a soda machine in 10 years that didn't require a key to be in place BEFORE any "master override" codes could be entered, but the money machine is wide open? WTF?!?!

    1. Re:WTF?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I agree with you. Why don't they use some physical key or switch on the inside to be able to do this. You could even have numbered keys and an algorithm to have a different code for each numbered key.

      Crazy. I had a similar trick on the copy machines at my uni during college. They had card counters for each copy, but the administrator code was just the copy machine model number with an extra 0 behind it (I tried 0000 1234 etc first of course). After that you could just disable the card reader, or change the unit needed for double/one sided printing, or create bogus accounts in the machine on which copies could be credited (and afterwards delete these accounts). In they end they got rid of the machines though, as they were not financially viable :) Biggest disadvantage was that the new copy machines were actually pretty crappy in handling :(

    2. Re:WTF?? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      that reminds me of something with the recent coke-brand bottle machines. if you hit the right sequence of the buttons (which i forget), it'll display how much money is in the machine, in the change and collection bins, along with the number of bottles left in each slot.

      --
      upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
  25. the trademark for the company in question ... by non · · Score: 1

    is "Where Money Comes From."

    --
    ...vividly encapsulates that post-Watergate/pre-punk/coked-up moment when you could trust no one, least of all yourself.
  26. Information Wants to be FREE! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    So, money is just more information too, right?

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:Information Wants to be FREE! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be- but sadly it is. Which is why I'm for commodity based money, that is restricted to citizen use.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    2. Re:Information Wants to be FREE! by TT075819 · · Score: 1

      No money no talk. No ATM no 'googling'

    3. Re:Information Wants to be FREE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, money is just more information too, right?

      Relax, it's a victimless crime... like punching someone in the dark.

    4. Re:Information Wants to be FREE! by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      "Mortimer, we're back."

      --
      What?
  27. Putting the master password in the manual? by vinn01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who here thinks that putting the default master password in the manual is a good idea?

    This reminds me the of backdoor password that Nortel had for one of its more common PBX's. At least they didn't put it the manual. But it got passed around enough to land on Usenet (in reponse to a problem that a customer was having). In that case, it was worse. It was not a "default" password, it was hardcoded.

    Another day, another brain dead corporate password mistake....

    1. Re:Putting the master password in the manual? by jumpingfred · · Score: 1

      Where else would you put it? You have basically two choices. 1) no default password or 2) a default password.

    2. Re:Putting the master password in the manual? by shawnce · · Score: 1

      If the default password exists why shouldn't it be in the manual? If it exists bad folks will know about it one way or another eventually. It is better to have it clearly documented and ideally in your face when you do first setup. ...having a default password isn't the problem, it not changing the default password...

    3. Re:Putting the master password in the manual? by vinn01 · · Score: 1

      Bingo! I think you hit the correct answer - no defult password.

      How my computer systems have a default password? None that are secure. You have to set the root password yourself as part of the install.

    4. Re:Putting the master password in the manual? by brainnolo · · Score: 1

      Given that ATM are not sold in mass distribution they could simply program each with a random password and give it to their customer. It's at least better than a default password written on the manual, and working for every machine. This way, even if customer is not going to change it, it is less likely to be broken.
      This said, the reason you should be able to administer it from the outside and not only from an internal panel with an hardware key + pin is beyond me.

    5. Re:Putting the master password in the manual? by Phillup · · Score: 1

      Where else would you put it?

      I would have put it on the cover of the manual.

      Right out in front so everyone in the world could see it.

      Maybe that way... it would have a good chance of getting changed.

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      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    6. Re:Putting the master password in the manual? by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      Until Solaris/10, Jumpstart installs had "no password" as the default password for root, IIRC.

      Oracle has used "scott/tiger" as the default [example] login/password since about 1979. Ditto for the DBA, system/change_on_install.

      You don't often hear of Oracle DBs getting cracked because of this, because most DBAs are at least smart enough to realize that EVERYBODY knows the default passwords...

      --

      Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
  28. The Manual in Question by GenTaco · · Score: 3, Informative

    Honestly people, it isn't too hard to find this manual, the article gives you all the info you need. And no, the manual has not been pulled down from the site...yet.

    Try the following search terms:

    Tranax 1500 Manual inurl:pdf (and then check the 6th result)

    1. Re:The Manual in Question by GenTaco · · Score: 1, Informative
    2. Re:The Manual in Question by British · · Score: 1

      From the manual:

      Defaults:
      Master = 555555
      Service = 222222
      Operator = 111111

      Hey, that's the combination to my luggage!

  29. This kind of thing is everywhere by Billosaur · · Score: 1

    Forget ATMs; the way people post personal information about themselves so freely on the Internet, combined with the average user's lack of imagination, means that I can probably go to any social netwroking site, get a user's site id and some basic information about them (birthday, fav color, dog's name, etc.) and with a little luck, find that they use that information as usernames/passwords for on-line banking, Amazon, etc.

    When it comes to the security of information, avergae people are stupid.

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    GetOuttaMySpace - The Anti-Social Network
  30. Re:Wrong manual by uufnord · · Score: 3, Informative
  31. ATM Machines??????? by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    default DOLLAR writes to mention an eWeek article following up on the ATM reprogramming scam pulled in Virginia Beach last week. A security researcher in New York has used a YouTube video, a few Google searches, and other legal methods to discover the master passwords to thousands of ATMs across the country. From the article: "Dave Goldsmith, founder and president of penetration testing outfit Matasano Security, in New York, did not say how he obtained the operator manual--which contains master passwords and other sensitive security information about the cash-dispensing machines--but an eWEEK investigation shows that a simple Google query will return a 102-page PDF file that provides a road map to the hack." How fool he would be? Why don't he just use his brain to crack into some world range business companies rather than into ATM machines in certain places.

  32. Not Really by Bob+4knee · · Score: 1
    It is a manufacturer/vender problem if the manual is to be believed:
    Passwords MUST be 6 digits in length, use of anything other than a 6 digit password may cause the passwords to revert back to factory default.
    If this was a computer, and if I try to set my password to t&!rd17, it defaults to the default. If it's just a numeric keypad, and I use one digit more or one digit less than 6, it defaults back? Pure genius.
    1. Re:Not Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If this was a computer, and if I try to set my password to t&!rd17, it defaults to the default. If it's just a numeric keypad, and I use one digit more or one digit less than 6, it defaults back? Pure genius.

      If you can't be bothered to follow the directions in order to secure your tens of thousands of dollars, then you shouldn't be working on ATMs. Is it stupid to have the password be a fixed length? Yup. But it's stupider to know the rules for a password and put in something that doesn't meet the rules.

    2. Re:Not Really by Bob+4knee · · Score: 1

      Howzabout if I try to change the password to an "illegal" 7 or 8 digit password it doesn't make the change. e.g. the previous password remains in effect. Maybe even a warning "failed to change password--selection too long". Quietly restoring the default is ludicrous

    3. Re:Not Really by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "If you can't be bothered to follow the directions in order to secure your tens of thousands of dollars, then you shouldn't be working on ATMs."

      Probably not, but if you can't come up with a security model better than "revert to default" when a user fat-fingers a password change, then you sure as fuck shouldn't be working in security.

  33. I'm surprised it took so long to realize... by Ken+Hall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in the early 80's I worked for a company that did third-party service for all sorts of computer-related stuff. We serviced at least two different lines of ATM machines, for competing companies. We had test machines in our training center for the service guys to play with.

    Hardware wise, they were the most complicated, Rube-Goldberg-esque contraptions you can imagine. The card readers and bill handlers were the worst. The bill handlers had to be calibrated using real money, so the repair center kept several hundred dollars in cash locked in a safe at all times, and replaced it weekly (the handlers didn't like old bills).

    The group I was in was responsible for tracking the software problem reports that came in from the field, and forwarding them to the manufacturers. While I found some of the bugs downright hysterical, or just plain bizarre, others were scary enough to make you consider avoiding the machines alltogether.

    Doesn't look like they've learned anything in 20 years.

    1. Re:I'm surprised it took so long to realize... by VENONA · · Score: 1

      Well, at least some of them don't require real money for testing, but a fake that looks nothing like real currency. Maybe all of them, for all I know. On the other hand, the machines are network-aware, instead of communicating via serial technologies and MUXes. And they're no longer running OS/2 (which I think was the the largest single reason IBM supported it for so long).

      On balance, I'd say that overall ATM security is *worse* now than it was twenty years ago.

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      What you do with a computer does not constitute the whole of computing.
  34. Skimming by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    This kind of crime is increasing all over the world.Many out there are still using magnetic stripe at the ATM to get consumer data and the pin. Why is skimming so prevalent? Because it's easy,we just need to leave a skimming device on an ATM for only 30 to 45 minutes. By the time an FI detects anything, the skimming device and the criminals are long gone. Jitter is a security feature in this case, but it helps only for simple skimmers.Jitter is very effective, but jitter is not all NCR recommends.The Fraudulent Device Inhibitor which automatically sends an alert to the FI when one of its ATMs has been tampered with. The inhibitor also prevents cards-trapping. NCR's Intelligent Fraud Detection plays a similar role in that it detects changes to the ATM's fascia and actually prevents a skimming attack. Anyhow the best way is to make the ATM the least attractive target.

  35. all your... by mrroot · · Score: 1

    all your cash are belong to us

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    I Heart Sorting Networks
  36. Key Badges by BobBoring · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Use to be we'd just wander through the cubage and when we had collected two or three "abandoned" cards from machines, we'd copy the faces of the cards. Then we'd give them to department supervisors for security violation write ups. We'd keep the copy to make sure the supervisors write them up. We suspended the accounts after two violations. If the offenders didn't have a Letter of Counciling on file in 10 working days, we had to write up the supervisors and suspend their accounts until their up-chain managers filed the right paper work to re-enable the account.

    After a couple of years of irregularly spaced walk throughs of the cube farm and countless email 'reminders' about computer security we gave that up.

    We got tire of being called the 'net nazis' and worse.

    Now we just take the badge out of the machine and walk it down to the security desk and tell them we found the on the floor in the bathroom. If we feel bitchy we trash the card or shred them then the 'somebody else problem' effect kicks in.

    1. Re:Key Badges by renehollan · · Score: 1
      You needed to change the security "nazi" policy somewhat.


      We used to have random walkthroughs looking for confidential documentation that was not locked up, among other things.


      Not only were offenders cited, but those who maintained clean records for some period of time were rewarded.

      --
      You could've hired me.
    2. Re:Key Badges by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      You were using the wrong kind of pressure. At one place I worked if people left there machines unlocked we'd change their
      screen backgrounds to Barney as a first warning and to some random image from hotmale.com (Note: Not the Microsoft webmail service!)
      any time after that.

      My work environment is safe enough to leave my iPod on my desk for an hour at lunch but I still lock my screen to get a cup of water from the cooler
      thats 30 feet from my cube.

    3. Re:Key Badges by sporkme · · Score: 1

      In my experience, rewarding expected performance tends to slaughter exceptional performance. See: Wendy's effect. Once you had all the slackers fired or whipped into shape, everyone would be rewarded all the time. See: law of diminishing returns.

    4. Re:Key Badges by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 1
      The only way I know to handle this is through top management buyin for policies with teeth. Not "some notice in a file", subtracted pay and/or firing. For everyone, including managers. The day the company fire a high level manager for violation is the day everybody starts actually following those policies.

      Eivind.

      --
      Doubting the existence of evolution is like doubting the existence of China: It just shows that you're uninformed.
    5. Re:Key Badges by haystor · · Score: 1

      Would I be allowed physical defense against your physical attack of my environment?

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    6. Re:Key Badges by BobBoring · · Score: 1

      I do contract security work for a Gov'm't agency. The Letter of Counciling (LOC) is a type of military letter of reprimand. In the skiff, the secure computing area, you can be sent to Ft. Leavenworth Kansas for up to five years for doing what the "Gomer Pyles" do weekly in the cubefarm. LOC's are a death kiss depending on your MOS. An 11Bravo can get a bunch of 'em and not get in too much trouble. A 96Bravo or 98Golf will get his clearance pulled and become an 11Bravo.

      Getting your key badge "Controlled Access Card" , smart card Military issued ID, back after we shredded it is a major PITA. But the problem isn't mine anymore. The problem devolves to the member in question having to explain to his superiors why he 'lost' his card three times this year. The best thing they could do is admit they left it unattended in their computer and someone took it. They worse thing they can do is lie.

      We did get an O-3 article 15'd for lying over this one. We'd turned his card into his DoD civilian boss. When he couldn't get back on post after lunch without the CAC card he called his boss for an escort to get him back on post to go to pass and ID. The boss had his card but didn't tell him. Once he was back in the office he told a story about getting mugged and dropping his wallet with the ID in it. He rode the story down in flames.

    7. Re:Key Badges by renehollan · · Score: 1
      In my experience, rewarding expected performance tends to slaughter exceptional performance.

      Sure, but is there a difference between locking up confidential information, and locking it up tighter than Fort Knox?

      Probably not, in most circumstances like this.

      It's not so much that there's a wide gap between expected and exceptional as much as there is a wide gap between adequate and inadequate.

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      You could've hired me.
  37. Re:We're rich!! We're rich!!! by nephillim · · Score: 0

    First you get the money,
    Then you get the SUGAR,
    Then you get the power,
    then you get the women!
    One of the few paths that leads to / ends with a REAL woman in the life of a nerd :(

  38. Can't say I am surprised at the comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashbots always struck me as being the immoral and greedy types.

    1. Re:Can't say I am surprised at the comments... by Technician · · Score: 1

      Slashbots always struck me as being the immoral and greedy types.

      If that were the case, then nobody would be posting due to the rush to the local ATM.

      Not the list of good solutions suggested.

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  39. Re:How if the default password is... by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    888888.

  40. Ready-Set -Go by Analogy+Man · · Score: 4, Funny
    However, should voting machines even come with a default password so that they can be hacked? Shouldn't reprogramming them require using some sort of physical/electronic key thats more difficult for people to get ahold of? If you can reprogram a voting machine by walking up to it and typing in any code, regardless of whether it's the default password or not, then the voting machine security is terrible. It's one thing to put a default password on a digital cable box for blocking channels, it's another matter entirely to put a default password on a voting machine.

    Which one gets fixed first!

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    1. Re:Ready-Set -Go by johnsmith_12345 · · Score: 1

      The Diebold machines do have a phisical key...
      the Problem is that any vending machine key will open it.
      It was on here a few days ago.

    2. Re:Ready-Set -Go by narzy · · Score: 1

      Man I wish I had mod points right now, this comment is so spot on it's funny. bravo analogy man.

    3. Re:Ready-Set -Go by freakmn · · Score: 1

      Which will be fixed first, the voting machines, or the ATM's? That's a no-brainer. The one that gets officials elected, and the one that provides the very essence of what makes our government work. The ATM, of course!

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  41. Movie Quote by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket when he discovers that Private Pyle's footlocker is unlocked:

    "If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?"

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  42. Pretty sad... by Anubis333 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This is just a joke, as Red Octane made their name copying Konami game products and controllers. Guitar Hero is just a rip off of Konami Guitar Freaks, 8 years too late. People tend to forget that Red Octane existed for years selling knock of DDR dance pads...

    1. Re:Pretty sad... by Anubis333 · · Score: 1

      What a weird cookie/cache error, this was posted to the guitar hero lawsuit thread.

  43. think of the children .. er .. ATM passwords by Slashdiddly · · Score: 1

    I bet if AG Gonzales had his way, the feds would have been able to intercept the hack searches and nab the bastard researcher before he revealed the secrets to the world. What a boon for security that would be! /sarcasm

    1. Re:think of the children .. er .. ATM passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't forget the bit where they torture him with waterboarding and guard dogs.

  44. Bank Error in Your Favor! by unsigned+integer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Collect $200. Pass Go!

  45. Little Alex... by LaRoach · · Score: 1

    ...always used 655321...

  46. ATM Industry Association warned them. by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in Feb 2005, the ATM Industry Association released a memo or press announcement, found here:

    http://www.gasa-cognito.com/media/GASA-ATMIA%20Fra ud%20Alert1.pdf#search=%22atm%20master%20password% 22

    It specifically warned the industry that their passwords were getting out and to tell the banks to CHANGE them.

    Frankly, I have zero sympathy for the bank that lost cash.

    And not much respect for the idiots that did not report it. What, did they think the banks would never find out what happened? That when they did find out, they would not 'correct' the accounts?

    Either report it, or get yourself an untraceable card and return.

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  47. What software? by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    what software does he used to get those passwords? would you please downloaded for me the right sofware by doing a Google search?

    1. Re:What software? by Cctoide · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, I'll get right to that right after we get you the software that will let you uplink to NORAD.

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    2. Re:What software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already sent an internet across the tubes on friday and it still wasnt there on monday. Google must be clogging up the tubes!

    3. Re:What software? by freakmn · · Score: 2, Funny
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  48. Password encryption by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    1 2 3 4 5 must be encrpted with caeser cipher with shift 3 key

  49. Re:Perfect by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    who knows....maybe...

  50. You did it all wrong. Here, I corrected for you. by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 1

    I recently did IT for the largest casino company on the planet. I was dual-property and responsible for two casinos. The master code that would open the keyboxes and get you keys to anywhere in the casino was 654321. And people tol^@#^NO CARRIER

  51. Many Years of Slashdot by gewalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Finally, "News I Can Use"

    1. Re:Many Years of Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish I had a mod point - 'cause thats funny!

  52. Reminder to everyone: by Ty_Webb · · Score: 2

    Stealing is wrong.

    1. Re:Reminder to everyone: by SnotBob · · Score: 0

      So is not changing your passwords. But it's ok, I'm just going to retrieve the money to protect it from the bad guys so it's not really stealing.

  53. No password needed.. by TT075819 · · Score: 1

    default password can be avoided by not asking any password from the users.there should be no password insertion required but instead a hyter tech solution must be implemented. a user's irish have to be scanned before any transaction being done in any ATM.a user will be required to undergo a irish scanning process when they want to open a new account in any banks.the data need to be stored in the user's respective database.the database mmust be up to date and unauthorize people cannot access those databases.later,before money transaction is done,the user's scanned irish would be compared with the data stored in his or her database. thus,any security threads like googling and hacking can be controlled or avoided.only the respective user can do the transaction process.

    1. Re:No password needed.. by avenj · · Score: 4, Funny

      That may work for the Irish, but what if you're Russian?

    2. Re:No password needed.. by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1

      Or they could have the users carry around cards with magnetic strips on them and remember a PIN. Oh, yeah, and put the admin-mode button behind a lock. Ya know, like the money?

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    3. Re:No password needed.. by TrickyRick · · Score: 1

      >default password can be avoided by not asking any password from the users.there should be no >password insertion required but instead a hyter tech solution must be implemented. a user's irish >have to be scanned before any transaction being done in any ATM.a user will be required to undergo >a irish scanning process when they want to open a new account in any banks.the data need to be >stored in the user's respective database.the database mmust be up to date and unauthorize people >cannot access those databases.later,before money transaction is done,the user's scanned irish would >be compared with the data stored in his or her database. thus,any security threads like googling >and hacking can be controlled or avoided.only the respective user can do the transaction process.

      How are you going to scan someones irish if they aren't Irish?

      If you mean iris. You probably really mean retina.

    4. Re:No password needed.. by Inigo+Montoya · · Score: 1

      If you're Russian you have to slow down and let the Irish scan you. These things take time, for God's sake.

    5. Re:No password needed.. by Vulturejoe · · Score: 1

      Simple. Then the irish scan you.

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    6. Re:No password needed.. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      From reading the manual earlier it looks like you have to input -1 to actually get to the login screen, and I haven't seen a control key on any ATM keypads in a while. It sounds like there's another one inside the case.

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    7. Re:No password needed.. by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      That's the control key, /. treated it as HTML.

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    8. Re:No password needed.. by CowardWithAName · · Score: 1

      Sure, retinal scanners are more popular and well-known, but iris scanning is possible too.

      http://ctl.ncsc.dni.us/biomet%20web/BMIris.html

    9. Re:No password needed.. by NickFitz · · Score: 1

      No, look at the diagram a few pages earlier showing the mapping of key names to the customer-accessible buttons; the CTRL key is the button on the bottom right.

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  54. NO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know what machines you have used, but I had a horrible experience with a Diebold ATM.

    I walk up to it, put my card in, type my PIN, type the amount of money I want, and press Enter. Everything seems to be working fine; it spits out my card and a receipt, and I sit there waiting for the money. After about 10 seconds, I am a little worried. There is nothing to indicate any problems on the screen, so I look at the receipt. ON THE RECEIPT it says "Please enter amount in $20 increments." (I wanted $50). At the time that totally blew my mind. I had never even heard of such a thing before. I've used plenty of ATMs that require amounts in certain increments, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them indicated so on the screen before completing the transaction.

    1. Re:NO. by dave562 · · Score: 1

      I must be the biggest idiot in the world because until reading this discussion I thought that the ONLY increments you could get money out of an ATM in were $20s.

  55. Electronic Voting by homebrewmike · · Score: 1

    Folks keep saying "Look how secure the ATMs are, we should be able to do something similar for voting."

    Well, looks like the ATMs aren't that secure afterall, now are they? Sure - it's a Admin Error - but if admin errors occur with ATMs, seems electronic voting systems would be just as vulnerable.

    Now, that's not so say that I'm completely against electronic voting - with the right checks and balances, such as a voter receipt and open source code, it would probably make things as reliable as the current system.

    The Open-Vote people must be doing cartwheels. 'Course, their Webserver appears to be slag.

    Now... it's off to the ATM before it's empty.

    1. Re:Electronic Voting by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      I would never say ATMs are secure. The only ones I would trust are the ones attached directly to bank buildings. Many of the smaller, independent ones use dial-up connections (have you heard the modem tones?), and an associate of mine knew of some small operators who were tired of paying per call connection charges and simply hooked them up to dedicated DSL connections. In many smaller convenience stores I've visited, I could see the network connection or phone jack. It would not take much to tap those connections...

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  56. $5 bills? by erikdotla · · Score: 1

    What kind of ATM gives out $5 bills?

    I've never used one that didn't give only $20s.

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    1. Re:$5 bills? by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      They can be programmed to handle other denominations, just like pop machines can be programmed to take other amounts. I've seen a few machines that offer multiples of $10, but they are not common. The $20 increment allows more cash to be available in the machine while using the same volume of bills.

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    2. Re:$5 bills? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ATMs give out $5.00 bills in areas where the use the word "pop". ATM machines in Las Vegas dispense $100 bills as well as $20's

    3. Re:$5 bills? by merchant_x · · Score: 1

      In rural areas, where $5 is not considered to be a completly insignificant amount of money. Places where the average yearly salary is barely over $20k. The ATM fees are also usually lower, say $0.25 to $0.75.

    4. Re:$5 bills? by adamstew · · Score: 1

      There is actually an ATM by my house that dispenses all bills AND change...You can actually ask for $36.92...and you'll get:

      1 x $20
      1 x $10
      1 x $5
      1 x $1
      3 x $0.25
      1 x $0.10
      1 x $0.05
      2 x $0.01

      It's crazy...

    5. Re:$5 bills? by ab762 · · Score: 1
      The hack, of course, relies on what is possible, not what is usual... You get extra money by progamming the machine to believe it has $5 and no $20; you could program the machine to believe it had $100 when it actually had $20, but that would get reported fast!

      Royal Bank of Canada used to do $5 and $20, which was fairly useful. Now it's almost all $20. Some Canadian banks give $50 and $20; a fifty is hard enough to break that I avoid these or select an amount such as $80.

    6. Re:$5 bills? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's one ATM near me that gives $5, $10, $20 and $50 bills. Messed me up the first time I used it.

  57. What are the chances? by twoshoes · · Score: 1

    I would have just run the PURGE command page 90. But, this guy must have looked at page 93 and changed the parameters for the Cassette. I'll bbl... Going to go look to see if there is a Triton ATM machine around me and cross my fingers it's this model and then prey to God (or Satan) that the default password hasn't been changed.

  58. For anyone too lazy to search for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:For anyone too lazy to search for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That link returns a 'not found'... Anyone managed to grab the PDF before they pulled it?

  59. I Smell a Class Action Coming to a Court Near You by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    I've already heard one attorney talking about this. Can't be the only one.

  60. Small problem: still have to use your credit card by FrenchSilk · · Score: 2

    With the exploit described in TFA, you run a big risk of getting caught unless you have an untraceable credit/debit card. You can tell the machine to dispense the twenties as if they were fives, but it doesn't give out any money until you swipe a valid credit/debit card. So, you are going to be on the short list of suspects once you get your paltry sum of ill-gotten gains. And if you go to the well more than once, you will probably be promoted to the number one suspect. And anyone who took the money and ran will most likely have their account dinged for the extra money they took without reporting the windfall. So, unless you can get an untraceable credit card, you aren't likely to be able to keep your swag.

  61. Social Engineering works even better by slowbad · · Score: 1
    Call the closest local branch to an ATM that ate your card and see how many DAYS it takes for them to respond?

    Or report that it randomly dispenses $20 bills every two minutes and see how SECONDS it takes for a response.

    How about phishers putting up a false 2' wall, bogus ATM, and card reader that said "temporarily out-of-service"
    AFTER reading the magnetic strip and skimming/scamming your pin?

    1. Re:Social Engineering works even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How about phishers putting up a false 2' wall, bogus ATM, and card reader that said "temporarily out-of-service" AFTER reading the magnetic strip and skimming/scamming your pin?
      Actually the card reader loop goes just outside the main card insertion point, is about 1/8" thick, reads the card and transmits the track data wirelessly to a computer nearby. Meanwhile a thin false top overlays the pin pad and collects your pin. Your transaction works just fine. Today. Tomorrow your checking account is empty.
      BTW the Secret Service takes a very seriously dim view of this sort of thing.
      For the best in social engineering of this sort, I offer up two:
      • Sign on a night deposit drop that said "out of order" and a portable night drop box placed next to it. You know, the kind of box businesses drop their entire day's take into? Guess what? Bank had no idea what the depositors were talking about.
      • Device that looked sort of like an ATM with a card reader, but the signage offered to clean people's mag stripes for free and improve their readability. Also happened to collect the track data at the same time.
  62. Re:Small problem: still have to use your credit ca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy who just did it used a pre-paid debit card.. Those are easy to get. RTFA before crafting such an eloquent response ;0]

  63. And what you have to remember by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that voting and ATM machines have very different security requirements. An ATM needs only be secure against people breaking in to it. So presuming the bank isn't stupid enough to leave the password as default, it accomplishes that pretty well. It doesn't need to be secure from the bank. The bank can lie to the ATM machine or tamper with its data if they want, it's just not in their interest. However voting machines are different. Here the data needs to be secure against tampering from everyone, including the people who are responsible for the machine. That's a whole different design.

    But basically what happened is Diebold just applied ATM design to voting machine design. This would be probably be fine if you could trust the people that owned the voting machines (the government) to be honest. But you can't so it is worthless.

  64. Re:Small problem: still have to use your credit ca by FrenchSilk · · Score: 1

    Ouch! I missed that point in TFA. No more speed-reading TFAs.

  65. an opportunity like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ..."I find computers unlocked with badges in the computer and with the user no where around."...and you fail to set goatse as their default wallpaper, screensaver and window theme manager??

  66. Yeah.. but... by IvanD · · Score: 0

    Does it run lin.... nevermind I guess not. I guess they missed the service pack 2 on that one.

  67. Might as well have been a buffer overflow... by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

    What the hell? Didn't we learn like 20 years ago that in-band signalling is a security nightmare? Why was this guy able to reprogram the ATM without opening up the case?

  68. Sweet revenge! by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

    I don't want to steal anything... I just want to get back all those $1.50 withdrawal fees =)

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  69. Diebold by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Global Election Systems

  70. It now pays to RTFM! by morie · · Score: 1

    Once you googled it...

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  71. Google powerful enough?? by vz3phyre · · Score: 1

    in years to come, the government agent can just google on the net to find terrorist. Wait! I want to give the service name: GOOGLE HUNT ;)

    1. Re:Google powerful enough?? by gnork · · Score: 1

      It's already there, just use it.

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    2. Re:Google powerful enough?? by TT076877 · · Score: 1

      Yeah,too powerful until abuses of the power becomes critical..

  72. Why is this "insightful"? authorized voting fraud by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    Voting machines are most obviously _designed_ to be tampered with because of multiple issues
    discussed all other net such as the total lack of cryptography to secure voting results.

    Pressing CTRL-1 on a Triton ATM to bring up it's management login screen is nowhere near the
    total lack of security in comparison to a voting machine and there is no magic key sequence
    to get the cash dispenser to empty the cash in the ATM into your greedy hands. Why even if
    you got into the Dispenser test diag the dispenser would not send the cash to the exit gate but
    instead send it to reject cassette. The only thing you could potentially do IF you had the password
    was to reconfigure the cash denominations of the individual cassettes turning a $20 bill into a $5.
    I didn't really look all that hard into the manual but there seems no way to change the keys in the
    security module to hijack the terminal from its host.

    Of course there are even better ways of handling security issue here such as somebody here suggested that
    the ATM refuses to perform withdrawal operations with the default password in place. Other ATMs require
    pin verification from a special operator card to enter management functions and still others do not allow
    any management functions from the customer screen at all, but only from a rear control panel or from an
    attached notebook.

    All in all ATMs are worlds ahead of the Electionstealer 2000 voting terminals. Transactions with the host are
    secured by a security module (looks like a mobile phone SIM Card) which calculates cryptographic checksums and
    the host authenticates likewise to the terminal. You can depend that if they built that kind of protection into
    voting machines then to make sure only authorized voting fraud occurs.

    So please spare us the "very very very stupid people"...

  73. Only After Nine Days did the Bank know by Unclenefeesa · · Score: 1

    Strange, How people lack so much decency. A similar incident happened in Beirut where an employee mixed up 2 different bills. However, the first customer to get extra cash came back in the morning and returned them. This kind of lets you know what kind of decent/indecent society you live in.

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  74. Why steal this way? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    It's much easier to charge some soccer mom $200 to install her wireless access point and PC card than it is to steal $200 from an ATM...

  75. Blame Tom Collins... by FirstNoel · · Score: 1

    He rewired the ATM
    at the Food Emporium,
    To provide an honorarium
    to anyone with the code.

    This is old news...the idea has been around since Rent.

    Sean D.

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  76. Re:Small problem: still have to use your credit ca by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

    EXACTLY. I was trying to figure out how knowing the default ATM code would help. I've been doing alot of testing with Diebold and NCR ATMs lately and all (okay, most) of the transactions for a bank need to be approved, ONLINE. A valid card with a valid account attached needs to be used. So you can either be blindingly stupid and withdraw 20s instead of 5s on your OWN account, or rip of someone else's debit/credit card, in which case you'd also need their PIN, which is the SERIOUS crime.

    I'm not saying having default ATM passwords in the open is good, just that its not a panacea of crime this Slashdot headline suggests.

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  77. Re:Small problem: still have to use your credit ca by CheShACat · · Score: 1

    yeah, but really all you have to do is reprogram the thing, then wait for one or two people to visit before you make your sting. You could even make your first transaction for a normal amount, then make a second immediately afterwards as if you've just realised your luck!

  78. Re:Small problem: still have to use your credit ca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're missing the point. You change the machine to think that the $20 bills are $5 bills. Then when you withdraw $20, you get what the machine thinks are four $5 bills, but are actually four $20 bills.

  79. The power of search engines by TT076877 · · Score: 1

    The issue is how can the operator manual which contains master passwords and sensitive security information about the ATM can be legally obtained?!!It should be highly confidential!!Just imagine how easy it is to find sensitive security information using search engines.Just by typing simple four-word Google search engine query,one can found instructions on how to hack and take control of the machines.**Can I just google Donald's Trump 'master password'?**

    1. Re:The power of search engines by fareluna · · Score: 1

      yeah,sure!!people do anything when money is the matters.

    2. Re:The power of search engines by tt076860 · · Score: 1

      what is going on??

    3. Re:The power of search engines by it074813 · · Score: 1

      Well the era of taking over an ATM just by googling has come, soon to come is the era of taking over critical financial information of companies and individual by doing the same. Search engine is taking over our lives. Start finding an alternative dear earthlings.

    4. Re:The power of search engines by it074813 · · Score: 1

      BONN, Sept 5 (AFP) - A German computer hacker was jailed for three and a half years Friday for decrypting credit card security codes and spending the proceeds, and then passing on his know-how over the Internet. A sample of newspaper article showing how google can end up being a powerful search tool.

  80. Mod parent BACK UP, something IS the hell wrong!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something very much is the hell wrong with the GP, so much so that the question was BEGGING to be asked. Modding this user down was excessive, stupid, and several other negative adjectives I'm not really interested enough to come up with right now.

  81. Proof that geeks are evil by pooman10288 · · Score: 1

    About 80 percent of us here find this great and then did the search ourselves. That's what makes geeks so awesome we could all hang out and talk about stealing stuff without hitting anybody. We are the peaceful theives and deserve to be left alone, so as our "great" government can keep searching for terrorists and serial killers. stop worrying about the hackers and worry about our so called terrorists

  82. Re:We're rich!! We're rich!!! by El_nino_raj · · Score: 1

    want to be rich without being cought up.try by using pre-paid debit card to make withdrawals.

  83. what an idoit by neowhitehat · · Score: 1

    the person who reported the malfunction is a class A moron.

  84. Use luggage locks TSA can open by Guru2Newbie · · Score: 1

    There are luggage locks sold to which TSA already has the master keys. That way you can keep 'em locked, but the TSA can rifle through your wife's lingerie and sex toys as much as they want, take some joke pictures wearing/using them, then lock up your luggage afterwards.

  85. huh? by n00bsaib0t · · Score: 1

    wat the heck? just googling can find ways to hack the ATMs?? then wats the point having password and all the security software installed in it? it just like u put a bag full of money at the sidewalk, and founded by a passerby and he took it~ Noob

  86. master password? by Mr.BoBo-TT074226 · · Score: 1

    why?? why must there be a master password for atm?? does that means that they can just take our money??and how come can it be exposed through the internet?unexceptable....

    1. Re:master password? by nerdy808 · · Score: 1

      hey Mr.BoBo! live ur life up to the real world.There are master password for atm.Thats why it being an issue here...so,better give ur money to me...hahaha...its not save to kept it on the bank...=p

  87. Re:Small problem: still have to use your credit ca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's worse than you think. Let me give you 5 reasons:
    Point 1> You can turn some ATMs on in "Test Mode" which will approve every transaction without needing to be online. They record the card, but a Wal-Mart gift card or ANY card with a magnetic strip will work. No problem with being anonymous there.
    Point 2> Why bother reprogramming the ATM? Many of these ATMs are using standard phone (POTS) phone systems for communication. Break down the syntax and you discover the difference between "Get Cash" and "Phtbtt!" is a 0 and a 1. The only encrypted portion of the communication is the PIN, not the authorization. Just intercept the phone communication with your handy laptop, plug in that essential 1 and empty the ATM with your prepaid phone card.
    Point 3> Many of the cameras out there are fake. Get one prepaid card or steal one card and then it's not that hard to be untracable.
    Point 4> Sometimes there are other bugs. People have walked away with thousands and thousands of dollars from ATMs with bugs. Usually, they are unprosecuted.
    Point 5> If you're able to reprogram, you can change the encryption keys and change the telephone number. Route the calls through your own machine, forwarding to the real authorization point and pick up PINs and card numbers. Either everyone gets cash or you don't forward and they see "Unable to process" or "PIN failed" but by the time a tech arrives, you'd pick up dozens, perhaps thousands of valid PINs.

    I'm not guessing here. I use the credit card processing option whenever possible.

  88. Wake Up!! by tt076860 · · Score: 1

    Regards to this issue which Googling for ATM Master Passwords that stress out about the eWeek investigation shows a simple Google query will return a 102-page PDF file that provides a road map to the hack...

    Either the PDFs were true or false or unremoved or removed,trust me that the world are getting into something that really unexpected. I heard about this issue long time ago and i dont take it seriously because its really something that I dont think it could happens because it just a rumous during that time.

    Then,now I read the issue here and really surprise because the rumous were getting to be realistic. Perhaps that someone out there which responsible regards to this issue will do something with this.

    Thanks.

  89. some other defalt passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  90. Hack an ATM Machine by piratebroadcast · · Score: 1

    Check out this Video on Youtube...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_HDzJjw HU A different exploit.