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Adult .IE Domain Names Banned As Immoral
An anonymous reader writes, "The Irish domain prefix, .ie, is controlled by an organization called the IE Domain Registry. In their terms and conditions they state, 'The proposed domain name must not be offensive or contrary to public policy or generally accepted principles of morality.' But this policy is only applied to sex words as this adult webmaster has discovered. Murder.ie is acceptable, Porn.ie is not. Can a word be immoral? And in this day and age, should a government-chosen domain registry be allowed to enforce their own moral code on the public?"
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porn.ie is a poor example, since pornography has been a strict superset of free speech since the 1960's; how about: juden-raus.ie?juden-raus.ie, I suspect, would convert many here into willing censors.
Certainly you mean suffix...
Isn't this standard procedure for most country TLDs? I just checked for my country:
From their webpage:
Translation: The proposed domain name must not be offensive or contrary to public policy or generally accepted principles of morality
Thus, identical to the Ireland registry provisions. The real question here is, why someone would consider "murder" falling into that provision? I clearly don't. You see, this could be a website about prevening murder, or a forum for people seeking help that had a relative murdered. I don't know.
Also keep in mind that pretty much all "normal" sex-related words should be registrable just because of *that* reason. tits.com used to be about birds (the real, flying kind). Now, I do not know what the porn guy exactly tried to register (just checked the article: it was porn.ie). It would be hard to defend "bondagegirls.ie", but a case for "sex.ie" might be acceptable, if the content clearly is non-sexual. (Well, the applicant was a p0rn peddler, so good luck to that)
Oh, and I see he owns sex.ie... Now really, it's not as if sex.ie is registrable, so should be murder.ie.... He is complaining about nothing *at all*.
What I think that happens: the registration process is completely automated and the words just pass through an automated filter which, incidentially, just contains sex-related words. He should try "t1ts.ie" ;-)
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Well, whether or not words can be immoral, actions certainly can. A site about murder is far less likely to inspire murderous actions than a porn site is to incite pornographic actions. Perhaps that is why porn is regulated more than violence in situations like this.
I cried real tears when Li Mu Bai died.
As much as I love the country, remember that you're talking about a nation that banned the sale of condoms to minors for a long time. They're simply more conservative over there; I don't believe that makes them wrong (or right, for that matter).
That is disgusting. If true, I feel that IE Domain Registry is revealing their own sickness by enforcing such as bizarre standard.
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If I had money to waste I would so register nook.ie and fill it info on the ideal breakfast nook.
First post and it's already Godwin time! Is this a record?
What about /.ing it? Is it ironic if it is /.'ed?
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
We are talking about the country where reading Playboy was illegal only a few years ago, check out the wikipedia page for the whole censoring frenzy.
Porn sites inspire people to create porn?
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To be honest, I do not think it is censorship at all. The rules are set, they are not being imposed by a third party, they are self governing rules for everyone to abide by.
And you know what, the majority would agree. You don't like it? Go live in fundamentalist/survivalist camp and then decide who is the kooky one.
There is nothing wrong with keeping society prim, proper, polite and personable on the surface. If you want a domain that allows 'fuck-a-donkey.tld' then go and get one, but don't force those who adminsiter and check these to suffer your personal tastes, and don't cry foul by their decisions. That is what pisses me off.
Meet Bob, he had the same rights as everyone. One day he fucked a watermelon, and loved it. Now he felt that he didn't have the same rights as everyone else and started a campaign for 'equal rights' and 'tolerance'.
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Sure then what about prawn.ie? Hey! That's not a shrimp!
That country would have been the United Kingdom (specifically, Northern Ireland), not the Republic of Ireland. And even there, they stopped a while ago. You're wrong in both time and space.
Slavery, apartheid, imprisoning and executing unwanted people. These have all been public policy at one time or another. If we base our decisions on "public policy" instead of freedom of expression and liberty we are on the way to totalitarianism.
The Irish broadcast regulator stop certain typs of programme from being aired. The advertising regulators prevent distasteful ads. from being published.
Your position is no different. They're enforcing public policy or generally accepted principles of morality. If you don't like that, well, you can appeal or run for public office and then change the rules to whatever you can persuade people to accept.
Finally, don't you think that if this domain name was registrable, someone would have got there before you? The only reason it's "available" is because others have run into the regulations before you.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
yes, that's right people - I am laying claim to that domain name!
No, it just got brushed under the carpet when a foe with a darker skin popped their head up. Makes far better political capital. You listen to Irish republicans, and they still consider Northern Ireland to be part of their country held by a foreign invader.
Plus, the US really wanted everyone to forget, what with them being responsible for most of the funding for Irish terrorism.
Nice domain, would've been really cool during the browser wars.
If words weren't moral, then there would be a positive word for "murder".
The fact of the matter is that you are purchasing a service, and as the providers of the service they are allowed to set the rules. If they wanted to set the rules such that every domain must start with the letters "ie" they could, and I don't see any reason they shouldn't. It is their service, and they should be allowed to set the terms. Period.
The truth of the matter is that if enough people didn't like it, they wouldn't sell enough domains to stay profitable, and they would be forced to change.
I'm sure this concept will be completely foreign to the socialist minions here on Slashdot, but that's how capitalism works. Your business, your terms. Government run or not, that's the way it is. If you don't like it, go buy a domain name somewhere else, and stop whining. Nobody is trying to oppress you, they just don't want their registry polluted with filth.
I've had it! I'm switching to .ff!
I'm sure he's only pissed about this happening because he can't squat on the domain and sell it to the highest bidder. If he does fight it, it'd be nice if the reason behind it was genuine concern and not financial gain.
Northern Ireland is a part of Ireland taken by force and still held by a foreign power and most of the IRA's activites were funded by robbing banks in the South.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
Did you think countries of religious fundamentalism were restricted to poor 3rd world countries?
No, we just thought they were restricted to America.
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For example there was a website called bourdela.gr (bourdela is 'whorehouses' in greek) that had a directory of all whorehouses in Greece. They operated for a few months and then EETT decided it should not approve this domain and the website had to go to a com domain.
This is one of the many reasons people choose .com/.org etc domains instead of .gr domains. With .gr domains you may very well get fucked months later (after you've spent money to make people remember your domain)
btw, i am not in any way affiliated with the bourdela site. I just like to read it because i find it fun how people go into flamewars over whores.
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maybe that will make people curious about ICANN and such things as how they don't give a damn about domain name squatters - ahh, well we can dream people will anyway, right?
.US bans various domains too for similar reasons, such as FuckCensorship.US
r ship.us&TYPE=DOMAIN
For the timebeing, along with others, it's in perpetual limbo:
http://www.whois.us/whois.cgi?TLD=us&dn=fuckcenso
Ron
What does anybody expect from a rural country that lacked education? I always imagine Cletus-dweller, southern US states to be like Ireland.
I suggest registering inoffensive 2nd level TLDs and using subs and domain hacks to annoy these self righteous morons.
They've come a long way in the last decade or so, but when it comes to matters of morality, Ireland's been lagging behind much of the rest of the Western world. It might call itself a republic, but in effect it was run like a Catholic theocracy till not too long ago, with the government taking its lead from the Church, and the Church doing pretty much whatever it pleased, until people started to see them for the bullies, racketeers and paedophiles they all-too-often were and they lost some of their grip on the public consciousness. They only legalised divorce in 1996, and abortion's still not on the cards unless there's a serious risk of the mother dying. The state-owned TV still carries the Angelus call to prayer at 6PM every night. So it doesn't really surprise me that this sort of stuffiness persists.
"should a government-chosen domain registry be allowed to enforce their own moral code on the public?"
yes.
your right to free speech does not:
1. extend to other countries
2. usually does not extend to material unsuitable for minors, depending on the situation and audience.
(like creepy domainnames for porn site)
3. does not extend to other things, like slander, libel, false advertising, misrepresentation, etc.
mostly your right to free speech is there to criticize the government(your own government), it's not there so you can download child porn.
If you want to get upset, having a nazi.xx domain is illegal in most European countries. but as far as I know it is legal in the US. WHOIS for: nazi.com, nazi.org
I personally find domains like IHR.ORG and VHO.ORG far more offensive, they belong to Holocaust denial groups. Relastically we should ban those domains before we ban BIGJUICYSLUTS.COM (is that a real domain? I bet it is)
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
An MS funded site to warn to Irish companies of the insidious and subversive nature of Open Source Software. I'm sure no one here has a problem with that.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
No wonder I've never come across an Irish website! I'll have to use -A flag in the future.
On anonet you can use what ever name you want.
The only thing immoral going on here is enforcing this stupid policy.
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yes but what they say and what they enforce are two different things. they make the laws out of catholic guilt. they can always look at playboy because they will be forgiven for it anyway.
Actually, Christians realized this problem and by and large have moderated away the interdenominational killings. This was a significant part of the Enlightment.
But I'll still let your mom be on it.
Can a word be immoral?
Well, if you really want to pick nits, you could argue that a word cannot be any concept. It's a word... nothing more and nothing less. However, even a single word can represent an immoral concept.
A government should create a policy which clearly defines what is morally acceptible for it's people. How to do this is far beyond me. If individuals at the ".ie omain Registry" are coming up with their own definitions of what is acceptible, in the absence of clear policy, I would say that they are wrong. However, the blame falls on the government for creating a set of rules without a definition of terms. In the US, the principle of "separation of church and state" forces our moral baseline to be very basic... in spite of our glorious leader's perceived religious bias.
I am a Catholic American living in a country with an Islamic government (Malaysia). I suppose that gives me a unique perspective. I see examples of a similar problem in censorship of the media. It is common knowledge that words that are contrary to public policy or morally unacceptible will not be allowed in any media. The problem is the same: Neither the public policy, nor what the government deems morally unacceptible is clearly defined. As a result, I suppose it's left up to the people in charge of the TV/radio station, newspaper, magazine, etc... Because there are no clear rules, every offensive word makes it through occasionally. Also because of the lack of clear rules, many words that are clearly not offensive and a few that are just confusing are censored. Occasionally, the name Jesus is also censored. I suppose this is the religious bias of the person employed to censor the media.
Malaysia _claims_ to have freedom of religion. Their constitution even guarantees it, though there are some problems.
For the record, I disagree with _government_ censorship in almost every form.
By the way, I've just learned that the domain "porn.us" is available... "Offer $5 000 000.00 or more and your offer will be accepted."... quite a bargain, dontcha think :)
-- Ghodmode
How about porn.murder.ie?
A word perceived by some to be rude or offensive in one language may be entirely innocuous in another language. For example sex.ie might be registered by a Swede living in Ireland ("sex" is the Swedish word for "six"). Similarly, a Swedish word for a Sami tent also means "horny", "Fart" means fast in many germanic languages etc. The authorities / state should have no place in censoring like this. Think I'll register nook.ie for my site about the nooks and crannies of censorship policy ;-)
Back in the good old days when the leprachauns were running the Irish Domain Registry we still could'nt use those immoral words for fear of not getting our share of the pot of gold. But the leprachauns have abandoned the Irish Domain Registry and are now the elected Government of Ireland. They are still buying our happiness with pots and pots of gold. Sure why would you be wanting to use those immoral words anyway?
The registry finds rape.and.murder.ie less objectionable than porn.ie
Can we stop.beating.this.dead.hors.ie
No government or government-chosen anything should have a place to decide what is moral or immoral in society or web domains, books, etc. Freedom of speech, freedom of government interference and all that. Unless you're creating a website devoted to planned killing of someone/group of people they should have no power to dictate. Because morality, really, only comes down to opinion anyway. One person's morals might clash with another's (religions). So how do you decide who is right? You can't because everyone's "right."
The truth of the matter is that if enough people didn't like it, they wouldn't sell enough domains to stay profitable, and they would be forced to change.
If I was a part of an ethnic, moral, sexual or religious minority and the majority of people (including the government in a democratic country) thought like you do, I would be in serious trouble. Who gives a fuck about the minorities as long as the majority votes for us?!
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Isn't this standard procedure for most country TLDs?
same thing in Romania. swearwords, etc. are a no-no. for example pula.ro (slang for penis, dick, schlong...) is still free after all these years. and i bet it gets rejected every week.
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quick.ie
"I love words. I thank you for hearing my words. I want to tell you something about words that I uh, I think is important. I love..as I say, they're my work, they're my play, they're my passion. Words are all we have really.
We have thoughts, but thoughts are fluid. You know, [humming]. And, then we assign a word to a thought, [clicks tongue]. And we're stuck with that word for that thought. So be careful with words. I like to think, yeah, the same words that hurt can heal. It's a matter of how you pick them.
There are some people that aren't into all the words. There are some people who would have you not use certain words. Yeah, there are 400,000 words in the English language, and there are seven of them that you can't say on television. What a ratio that is. 399,993 to seven. They must really be bad. They'd have to be outrageous, to be separated from a group that large. All of you over here, you seven. Bad words. That's what they told us they were, remember? 'That's a bad word.' 'Awwww.' There are no bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad Intentions.
And words, you know the seven don't you? Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits, huh? Those are the heavy seven. Those are the ones that will infect your soul, curve your spine and keep the country from winning the war.
Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits, wow. Tits doesn't even belong on the list, you know. It's such a friendly sounding word. It sounds like a nickname. 'Hey, Tits, come here. Tits, meet Toots, Toots, Tits, Tits, Toots.' It sounds like a snack doesn't it? Yes, I know, it is, right. But I don't mean the sexist snack, I mean, New Nabisco Tits. The new Cheese Tits, and Corn Tits and Pizza Tits, Sesame Tits Onion Tits, Tater Tits, Yeah. Betcha can't eat just one. That's true I usually switch off . But I mean that word does not belong on the list.
Actually, none of the words belong on the list, but you can understand why some of them are there. I am not completely insensitive to people's feelings. You know, I can dig why some of those words got on the list...like cocksucker and motherfucker. Those are...those are heavy-weight words. There's a lot going on there, man. Besides the literal translation and the emotional feeling. They're just busy words. There's a lot of syllables to contend with. And those K's. Those are aggressive sounds, they jump out at you. CocksuckerMotherfuckerCocksucker. It's like an assault, on you. So I can dig that.
And we mentioned shit earlier, of course. Two of the other 4-letter Anglo-Saxon words are Piss and Cunt, which go together of course. But forget about that. A little accidental humor there. Piss and Cunt. The reason Piss and Cunt are on the list is that a long time ago certain ladies said 'Those are the two I am not going to say. I don't mind Fuck and Shit, but P and C are out. P and C are out.' Which led to such stupid sentences as 'OK, you fuckers, I am going to tinkle now.'
And of course the word Fuck. The word Fuck, I don't really...well, this is some more accidental humor, but I don't really want to get into that now. Because I think it takes too long. But I do mean that. I mean, I think the word fuck is an important word. It's the beginning of life, and, yet it's a word we use to hurt one other, quite often. And uh, people much wiser than I have said, I'd rather have my son watch a film with two people making love than two people trying to kill one other. And I of course agree. I wish I know who said it first, and I agree with that. But I would like to take it a step further. I would like to substitute the word fuck, for the word kill in all those movie cliches we grew up with. 'Okay Sheriff, we're gonna fuck ya now. But we're gonna fuck ya slow.' So maybe next year I'll have a whole fuckin' rap on that word. I hope so.
Uh, there are two-way words, but those are the seven you can never say on television. Under any circumstances you just can not say them ever, ever ever, not even clinically. You can not weave them in the panel with Doc an
You're missing the point. It's about the WORD not the CONTENT.
Murder.ie could contain pictures of dead people - it would still be acceptable by the IE Domain Registry.
By the way, PORN IS LEGAL IN IRELAND. There is no reason for Porn.ie to be banned.
This is about someone enforcing what is right and wrong, based on their own moral code.
And in order to put a few knots in the rubber band, let me just state that the answer, unequivocally, is no to both formulations.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
The USA was taken by force from the red indians. If the UK gives NI back to the Irish, then surely we should give the USA back to the red indians, Australia back to the Aborigines, New Zealand back to the Kiwis etc.etc.etc.
You can onl register a personal domain with your initials and two digits after that eg JohnSMith can get js01.ie and he you have to demonstrate a "Real and Substantive Connection" to Ireland. After that companies with Irish links, state agencies, schools and politicians (and a few more categories) can register a domain. So this ban will only affect those who managed to register a company or trademark with an "offensive" name or try to make use of the "Discretionary Name" category. Look here for more details: http://www.domainregistry.ie/RegistrationPolicy.ph p
No, we just thought they were restricted to America.
.IE decision cropping up from time to time. Give it another thirty years and you won't be able to tell an urbanite from Dublin or Galway from someone from New York or London, apart from the accents. Not saying its a good thing or a bad thing, but its how I see it going.
Actually even in Ireland, the situation is changing extremely rapidly. What the GP was referring to was the "troubles" in the north, which had almost nothing to do with religion - Catholic / Protestant was just a convenient title for the opposing camps. Republican / unionist would be better. All that is besides the point, however.
The gap between younger and older generations in Ireland is staggering. We basically went from ultra conservative, churchgoing folks to hedonisitic, hip, and tech-savvy in about thirty years. The older generation is still in political power however, which is why you see things like this
What he can't kill, he has sex on. Trent.
I recall getting a call from a Mr Fuck from Switzerland a few months ago trying to find out why his registration of his domain got refused. After carefully explaining what his name meant in English he decided to register the domain in the name of one of his Dutch business partner.
Next day he called again and said that they had the same problem to register the domain under the name of his partner, Mr. Cock.
Supporting MS products doesn't mean you have to like them.
Let me tell you a little something about Ireland.
.ie registry. In fact it's almost certain as they tend to be incompetant misers and .ie domain names are about $90 a year. So on behalf of the country, I formally apologise for this disgrace. We'd get rid of them, but ironically, the smaller the country, the harder it is to dislodge the dead wood from office.
Yeah it's all true. Playboy was Illegal, along with condoms and being homosexual until 1993. Yes 1993. Prior to thise, people were still selling playboys, condonms and being homosexual, but it was in fact illegal. We don't actually have an explicit right to freedom of speech in this country. In the Irish constitution, most if not all personal rights are, to use the exact phrase, "subject to public order and morality". Oy'veh!
Anyway, it's not like that over here anymore. Long story short, people got relatively wealthy and now have the money to be as debauched and decandent as they like, hence the laws got changed. The current Taoiseach of the country, that's the Prime Minister, is divorced and living with his girlfriend. Or he was at any rate, while still Taoiseach. He might have married her. Might. So no we are not currently talking about a conservative catholic theocracy anymore. Because it was a conservative catholic theocracy at one point. I've got witnesses who can testify to that.
However! There's still a lot of old guard catholic dead wood hanging around. The kind who thought that Vatican II was an opening of the floodgates of sin. They're here and there, usually in minor offical positions that they obtained through their connections to government. "Pillars of the Community" had a lot of government connections over here, mostly because everyone else had emigrated.
Anyway, these kind of officals tend not only to be catholics, they are very often members of some subversive catholic organisation like Opus Dei or the Knights of Columbanus. I believe the attoreny general in the infamous X case was a member of the latter. Think Pat Robertson, only without the TV show. Trust me, these guys are the real pros, Robertson's just a wannabe.
Anyway, it's highly likely that someone of that ilk is running the
May the Maths Be with you!
The iedr is NOT a government body !
.ie domain 'clean' so that the government will keep away from it's cash cow. If there was too much uproar over a .ie domain name, the government would be forced to take over regulation of the .IE domain and the IEDR would be out of business ! THAT's why the regulation of the thing seems parochical. An Irish government body could never be so restrictive. .ie domain name, as outlined here http://www.sex.ie/2006/10/13/backwards-ireland-ie- domain-names/ .
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It is a private company that did a snatch'n'grab of the ie domain suffix in the early nineties.
There is *some* government regulation of the ie domain name but, since the government doesn't want to be seen to be 'nationalising' a private company, the iedr is allowed to regulate the entire domain, despite not being under the control of the Irish government.
From the point of view of a business policy I think most of us can appreciate how... jaundiced business practice usually is. The IEDR tries to keep the
I myself had to register a business name in order to get a hold of my own
People should probably realise the IEDR was just a private company started by some guys in the 90's and is protecting itself by keeping a low profie and trying to stifle controversy before controversy begins.
In fact there is quite a bit of controversy over the fact that ie domain allocation isn't government regulated. The main thing stopping the regulation is
1. The Irish government is pro-privitisation, hence nationalising a company like the iedr would spell political suicide for the minor government colaition partners the Progressive Democrats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Democrat
2. Lack of public awareness of what the iedr is. The pubic seems to assume as most people on Slashdot do, that the iedr is a government agency... it's not... it is simply a private company that got in there first, entrenced itself and then used the government's desire to be seen to be pro-business to maintain it's monopoly corporate interest over the iedr.
3. Lack of understanding on the political end of what is preceived to be a 'technical' issue. Politicains prefare to remain willfully ignorant of the problems associated with the iedr it's easier for the government to do nothing then it is to do something, especially since it is a small minority of technical people in Ireland who have sufficent knowledge and exposure to this issue to make noise about it. Hence the mainstream media couldn't care less about making an issue of the iedr... since most Irish citizens wouldn't understand the issue or care enough to try.
In a way the iedr as a company regulating the domain is no different to the USA regulating the entire internet with ICANN. The logic with the iedr and ICANN is, "we were there first, it cost _us_ to set this all up... and _we_ are going to hold on to it".
I think accusing the iedr of being some sort of branch of Ireland's conservatism is just silly though. People have an image of Ireland as a place with cows and endless fields, whereas in reality 40% of people in Ireland live in the greater Dublin area. Guestimates are that in 10 to 20 years over 50% of all people in Ireland will live in the Dublin region. Hence I think again that people have a skewed view of Ireland being a Parochial, Agrarian, Catholic, Conservative society.
The fact is it's a modern, neo-liberal society that embraces capitalism, neo-liberalism, corporatism and individual freedoms. From 1980 to 2006 Ireland has undergone the same sort of cultural revolution that the US underwent between the years 1945 and 1970. In 1980 Ireland was Catholic, Agrarian and I'll admit oppressive, today it's Metropolitan and consumerist
The iedr in this case is behaving exactly like ICANN, when I
You don't get killed for being the wrong flavour of Christian, you die for being either a Nationalist or a Loyalist, which tends to run along the same lines.
When the posters fear their moderators, there is tyranny; when the moderators fears the posters, there is liberty.
The Slashdot blurb asks some reasonable questions but misses the crux of the matter.
.ie registry. Like any state, the Irish government has no useful metric for figuring out what the "right thing to do" is, nor do they have any particular interest in doing so. Whatever they do will please some and piss of others, with those others having no useful recourse to change things.
.ie registry. The Internet is a de-centralized network, and anyone can set up their own DNS server. Anyone can also change their networking settings to use third-party DNS services other than the government's. It's unfortunate that organizations with little or no accountability have laid claim to the official servers, but private DNS exists and people could switch if things got bad enough. At the moment, the costs of government censorship and other domain name issues have yet to exceed the convenience of relying on government-run DNS, but it may not necessarily always be so.
The government is in charge of the "official"
However, no one's forcing you to use the Irish state's
He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
the Irish, whom, I believe, you converted to Christianity in the first place
Actually, it's more like the other way round and long before Ireland was invaded. Christianity made it's way to Ireland on it's own, and for some strange reason really found a home there. Then when Christianity started to wane a bit in Europe, it was bolstered up by Irish missionaries. For example, look at a list of saints related to Scotland (such as at http://www.visitdunkeld.com/scottish-saints.htm) and you'll see that a lot of them are Irish missionaries. And if you'll look at when they lived, most if not all of them lived long (500 odd years) before the "English" invaded in 1169. It even debateable if the people who invaded Ireland should even be called English as they were the decendants of the Norman invaders of England 100 years previously, so Anglo-Norman would probably be a better term.
At some point, somewhere, the entire internet will be found to be illegal.
The USA was taken by force from the red indians. If the UK gives NI back to the Irish, then surely we should give the USA back to the red indians, Australia back to the Aborigines, New Zealand back to the Kiwis etc.etc.etc.
And your weak link is, there are fuck all English people living in the north. There are unionists (mostly scots descent protestants), and republicans. Currently the unionists outnumber the republicans by a small minority, but the balance is shifting over time. I'd say within another 40 or 50 years, the north will rejoin the south again. Not saying its a good or bad thing, but it seems inevitable, really.
What he can't kill, he has sex on. Trent.
The proposed domain name must not be offensive or contrary to public policy or generally accepted principles of morality
How can it be that after a 2000 year history of anything from book burning, illegitimacy, sexual escapades, and torture to mass murder and genocide in the Catholic church, people can still fall for the belief that repression and suppression are means of improving morality?
See this for what it is: an attempt to get control over people by keeping them in fear of knowledge and basic biological functions.
You don't get killed for being the wrong flavour of Christian, you die for being either a Nationalist or a Loyalist, which tends to run along the same lines.
Which is something that is often forgotten, that it's not quite a 1:1 mapping between religion and nation/union-ism. I once knew someone from NI who was of Catholic origin but didn't want the North to be a part of the South because of the south's social conservatism.
At some point, somewhere, the entire internet will be found to be illegal.
Morals are based on religion
Laws are based on morals
governments are a collection of laws
thus government is a collection of religious moral beliefs.
If you have no seperation of state and church you have a government run by the church.
Look back in history, all governments have some connection to the church.
Even the US was based on the christian church.
Now should a government enforce the rules of a non government registry?
Hell No
-- I am the NRA, enough said...
Can a word be immoral?
Yes, depending on who you ask, words can be immoral, but I don't think a domain registry should act on it.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Stroller.
Christianity made it's way to Ireland on it's own, and for some strange reason really found a home there.
:D
Err, when you look at what we had to deal with at the time, it makes a bit more sense...
What he can't kill, he has sex on. Trent.
http://www.sex.ie/category/prostitution/
I think to be honest the IEDR and Companies Registration office are not fools. It's pretty obvious the kind of content this site will include.
Despite the opinions of the person who runs sex.ie "Escort agencies" frequently are akin to sex slavery both in the UK and in Ireland.
I can't believe Slashdot is raving on about the IEDR, when the owner of sex.ie has links to escort-ireland.com . 'Escorts' aka prostitution is illegal in Ireland and is frequently a source of sex slavery in this country.
http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/press06/traffick ing.html
Most of the brothels in Dublin are run by a former Loyalist Paramilitary. This is a person who planned to kill Irish civilians and who engages in illegal activity to support illegal prostituion which is part of a world of sex slavery and exploitation and the oppressed 'Webmaster' at sex.ie links to escort agency websites.
Hello Slashdot ? What the hell is going on here ?
Here is interesting 'fact' from sex.ie
http://www.sex.ie/2006/10/08/no-evidence-of-exploi tation-in-the-prostitution-industry-according-to-t op-garda/
[quote]
Detective Superintendent John McKeown, who heads Operation Quest at Store St Station, says that there is no evidence that any of the girls are being forced into prostitution, none is underage and most pocket 50 per cent of their earnings.
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Oddly that seems to directly contradict the Irish refugee council
http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/press06/traffick ing.html
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Case One - From the Irish Times 13/5/04
An 18 year-old Eastern European woman came to the attention of Gardaí when they were called to a house in Dublin by neighbours. She was admitted to hospital after an ambulance was called as she had been beaten by a man who had held her at the house and forced her to have sex with 200 men. It subsequently emerged that she was 6- months pregnant by this man. She informed Gardaí that she had been taken by bus to Spain before being given a false Italian passport and trafficked to Ireland.
Case Two - From Irish Times , 12/09/05
A 16 year-old East African came to the attention of Gardaí in Co Louth after she was held captive in a house and abused. She was taken from her home village in Africa at age 12 and inducted into sex slavery in different countries before being trafficked to Ireland. The girl recollected being trafficked through at least two airports before arriving in Ireland.
Case Three - From the Sunday Independent 25/01/2006
A young woman presented herself to Gardaí in Co Meath telling them that she was forced to have sex with hundreds of men over a 6-month period. She informed Gardaí that she had been tricked into coming to Ireland by a man who promised her legal employment who then took her passport. She was then forced to have sex at a house in the region. When they searched the house, Gardaí recovered the documents and arrested a man.
Case Four-From the Sligo Champion 26/04/2006
A 17 year-old West African girl came to the attention of Gardaí in the Sligo area after she came to their attention for working as a prostitute. It subsequently came to light that she was a minor and further investigation revealed that she had been trafficked to the country specifically for the intention of being exploited by an organised prostitution ring.
Case Five - From the Irish Examiner 28/04/06
A North African minor who had been rescued from a brothel by Gardaí was put into HSE care in Dublin. Without adequate staffing to watch over her 24 hours, th
I visited Ireland for the first time about 5 years ago and I was blown away by how modern it is, both in infrastructure and attitude. Really a great country, friendly people, nice climate (it was sunny the entire time), high tech industry. Can't say enough nice stuff about you folks.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Translated:
Yes, according to the DENIC anale-penetration.de is completely valid. However, the registration can be rejected if it would be obviously illegal - which is not the case with porn.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
The idea that porn is free speech is a modern foolishness that doesn't date back more than half a century. The people who wrote "Congress shall make no law..." did not consider pornography to be covered under that umbrella. I realize that moral relativism is all the rage, but it's a stupid philosophy that only teenagers, morons, and hippies take seriously.
Our rights of free speech protect, first and foremost, political discussion. If they are extended to cover smut (as they have been), we will see a steady abridgment of the first purpose (as we have seen).
Furthermore, sex in the media is far more influential than murder in the media. (When was the last time you saw somebody killed in a beer commercial?) Sex on television gets people to think differently about sex. Murder on television does not make people more violent.
The current moral situation regarding sex in America and Europe is pretty bad. Girls sleep around, and that's really no good for anybody. (Sure, I get a lot more sex today than I might have in 1930 -- but hell, how much sex you're getting really has a pretty small effect on happiness. Relationships in general really are a lot better with someone who you're actually committed to.)
Whoa! That's extremely interesting.
.ie names are controlled by the IE Domain Registry?
Are you saying their is another way to get porn.ie? Even if
is still free after all these years. and... gets rejected every week
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Like most pula here on
Or it could be about (a flock/group of) crows.
Ambiguity can be fun.
That government is chosen by the public, so yes. If the majority of the public disagrees, the next term there will be another government. So frankly the question is quite absurd, IMNSHO. A tad american perhaps *ducks*
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
This has nothing to do with free speech. It's about a public organisation enforcing their moral code on everyone.
No sex words allowed in your .ie domain name? So, no www.dickvandyke.ie?
You just got troll'd!
It's pretty much like asking "Is God fair?". I only hope you don't expect an objective answer, because morals are just as subjective as religious beliefs (and please don't hit me back with a Wikipedia link to an article about moral absolutism or moral objectivism).
You just got troll'd!
Bang on the money. Irish ways and Irish laws... the law is just a guideline, or a jumping-off point.
Wolfe Tone.
Ireland is NOT banning porn sites. They're barring it from the .ie TLD. It's perfectly legal and acceptable for someone in Ireland to host a porn site on .com, .net, .org, and so on. There's no law or open discouragement of this. And it's perfectly permissable for someone in Ireland to seek a domain name in one of those spaces.
.com addresses are any harder (ha!) to get to than .ie. The goal isn't to ban porn outright--it's to restrict it from certain TLD's.
.xxx approved as a TLD. Once porn has a "legal" place where it "belongs," I can bet you a lot of money that there will be a huge push to stop letting people renew the domain names for porn sites in .com, .us, .net, .uk, etc and tell everyone "you belong in .xxx"
So it's not clear to me where the free speech implications are here. Why is this being considered so restrictive? It's not like
By the way--the whole internet seems to be going this way with the big push to get
Why do you have to convince the government your speech is okay? A word you choose to use is okay? This makes no sense.
Btw, isn't Luxembourg an actual true kingdom? Not exactly a place you expect free speech.
And why didn't you use the English language version of their domain name charter? Fishing for karma?
Most porn sites exist as a business. You have to pay for the sexual activity, making the practice prostitution. Most governments take a dim view of prostitiution.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
but horn.ie will do
I'd like to let the Irish people decide if their government should enforce a moral code. Where is it our place to decide for them or even judge them? I don't think humanity has necessary found the correct/best answer to any complex system like religion, government, and economics. I believe most people here agree that you shouldn't try and force your religion on other peoples of the world. But when it comes to morals, government, or economic systems they feel that those should be. I'm scared shitless of a world where every nation is modeled after the United States. In diversity is strength.
Personally I don't want censorship of porn where I live. Not because I think porn is good for society, but because once you start censoring some things it's easy to start censoring more things that might matter. But if these people think censoring some things should be done for moral reasons I think that's a valid choice, and very well could result in a happier society.
Hobby Robotics
Now very far OT, but yes: all sets are supersets of empty sets, all sets are supersets of themselves, all sets are subsets of themselves.
However, A is a PROPER superset of B only if A contains B and is distinct from B.
etc.
Nothing prepares you for database modeling like good ol' fashioned high school math.
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
The Republican party has determined that sex is immoral, but violence is not only perfectly acceptable, it's ESSENTIAL for morality.
It seems to me that, even if they are "Anglo-Norman," since the term English is derived from Angle, English still fits fine.
I am not a lawyer. This post does not constitute any form of legal advice.
People turn on their TV (and buy newspapers) without expecting to see nudity etc. The only people who go to Porn.ie are people looking for nudity.
Would these be allowed?
wouldyouliketotouchmymonk.ie
spankthemonk.ie
shockthemonk.ie
thisguydiedafterhavingsexwithahors.ie
?
nice climate (it was sunny the entire time)
Come back soon and please please bring your weather with you!
What he can't kill, he has sex on. Trent.
If your pussy race got kicked out or conquored by a stronger foe, you just deal with it. If the world starting carving out new countries for races of whiney people...who knows what kind of ugly conflict such arbitrary nation-building might initiate. The displaced people would probably hate the citizens of the 'new nation' and dedicate their lives to exterminating the assholes who took over THEIR LAND!
Blar.
It seems to me that you don't have a clue about history, but there you go. You might want to check which part was in control (hint - it wasn't the Anglo-Saxons).
Only three things are certain; death, taxes, and apocryphal quotations - Ben Franklin.
I sure hope so. The government is supposed to be seeking the good of its people. How could it possibly do so without reference to any sense of right and wrong? Just because you disagree with a particular choice doesn't mean they shouldn't be doing what they believe is morally right.
They shout morals yet they have a history of paramilitarism, corruption, cimanility etc yet an adult domain name is IMMORAL?
Please, try acting moral before judging others
Now, I think this is a sorta 'see this is what you get when government decides who can and cannot get on the network' type of issue, but I think if the government of any sort is to be the main provider of domain names then it's the duty of said government not to censor that which it finds offensive. Granted, we can't have websites with criminal intent, but porn.ie? Come on, when's the last time someone got in a porn 'rage' and raped someone? Or stolen something? Or created a criminal organization to plot our collective doom?
I think this is indicative of Ireland, considering it's a conservative Catholic nation, but it needs to accept there is a strong minority of Irish citizens that are not so, and that it is the mandate of any decent republic to respect the minorities of the non-criminal kind in their rights to exist and to express themselves. Otherwise, it will have more in common with countries that chop folks' hands off and what not than with its EU neighbors.
I find it a sad time we all live in, where the networks are ultimately become more and more closed, whether it's the restriction of 'adult' content and file sharing or whether it's a restriction on open/free[libre] software and content. This is a time where the networks need to be more free not less free, because it's this time that our civilization is beginning to evolve and to improve itself. Yet, such censorship as it is going on in Ireland simply will not facilitate such a natural progression. And it only proves that a certain part of the species is unwilling and unable to move on with its arbitrary 'sensibilities.'
My "weak link" is that we have Irish people, living in a country taken by force from the natural inhabitants whining about the occupation of the mother country but I guess it doesn't matter when the displaced population has dark skin.
And no, I couldn't give a sh@t if NI was given back to the south, its the double standard of Irish-Amercans that wind me up..
I really don't see what the big deal is here, even being aware that /.ers like to make a big stink over every precieved violation of human rights / free speech that rolls down the line. But that's not what this is at all.
A domain name was banned because it violated the rules and terms it agreed to when it tried to be registered, namely the name contained words or phrases that were precieved to be amoral (and regardless of what your personal take on the morality of sexuality is, seeing as it doesn't matter in the slightest as far as this discussion goes, you would be hard-pressed to find a public official who didn't take the stance of porn being amoral - at least if they wanted to keep their job). Whether or not "murder.ie" is also covered and should be shut down is irrelevent and a red herring.
If you really have a problem with this, work to get the rule changed (which, by the way is the same everywhere).
Hence the Six-One News.
As long as it's not US, North Korea or Russia - Yes.
It would be hard to defend "bondagegirls.ie"
Why?
I mean, it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but clearly some people are turned on by this kind of thing, and so long as it's just a theatre of willing participants what's the problem?
If it isn't just a theatre of willing participants, then there are crimes being commited that need to be addressed by far stronger means than censoring website names, and anyone who is going to suggest that any resources be spent on censoring website names while such crimes are being committed must have a very strange notion of logic and priorities. I mean really, what kind of blithering idiot would say, "People are being tied up against their will! Quick, we must BAN CERTAIN WEBSITE NAMES! That will solve the problem!"
Or, for the homophobes in the audience, what about gayboys.ie? Or gaygirls.ie?
Jews and Muslims may have scriptural grounds for hating gays, but Christians do not, and Ireland is a nominally Catholic country. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality (unlike remarriage after divorce, which he strictly forbade), Paul only referred to it ambiguously, and the Old Testament rules against it have the same force as those against wearing cotton-polyester (Deut 22:11). And nowhere in the Bible is there a single word against lesbians, so we must conclude that God is ok with all that hot girl-on-girl action we see on the web.
What kind of "morality" is opposed to the free expression of sexuality? And why? If the claim is that the free expression of sexuality is "harmful" due to some purported indirect and subtle effect, then why wouldn't such a morality be far, far more opposed to far greater harms, like warfare?
The logic: "We must ban all depictions of sex to prevent some subtle and non-obvious kind of harm" seems far weaker than "We must ban all depictions of violence to help prevent the clear and obvious harm that violence does." I'm not in favour of banning any depictions, because depictions don't do harm.
So why is anyone concerned with banning depictions of sex, while Arnold Schwartznegger gets elected governor of California on the strength of movies that glorify violence?
This is a serious question, and I think it's about time the would-be censors answered it in clear, unambiguous and consistent language.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
As republican supporters were almost entirely catholic and loyalists were almost entirely protestant, it would be forgivable to conclude that there might have been an element of religion involved.
Remember: every sperm is sacred.
Isn't anything ending in IE immoral?
You're assuming "in this day and age" that Freedom of Speech is a human right, when in actuality it is an American right. Not saying it shouldn't be a human right, but it isn't. That's why people sit around in the US and b*tch and moan about how horrible things are but would only move to maybe Canada if it wasn't so brr cold because living anywhere else would be too hard.
If you want to register a .ie domain name in Ireland, you do so via an organisation called the IE Domain Registry. The IE Domain Registry sometimes require you have a registered business name for the domain you want. This means if you want to register mycompany.ie you need to register the business name mycompany. You apply for registered business names through an organisation called the Companies Registration Office.
For quite a while now, Ive been trying to register the domain Porn.ie. Ive been rejected each time because - according to the IE Domain Registry - the word porn is offensive and immoral. To get around this I tried to register porn as a business name, but alas, the Companies Registration Office think porn is an offensive word.
Just so were clear here, they arent saying the act of porn is offensive or immoral, theyre saying the word is.
This baffles me for a number of reasons. How is a word immoral? The act of rape is immoral, but the word rape isnt. The act of murder is immoral, but the word murder isnt. Why doesnt this logic apply to porn, whether or not they think porn is immoral?
What about offensive words? Cunt, nigger, fuck - we all agree these are offensive. Porn is short for Pornography, which is a noun used to describe sexual images and movies. It isnt an offensive word. At worst, its slang.
And who are the IE Domain Registry and the Companies Registration Office to decide whats moral, immoral, offensive, and inoffensive? Do they carry out surveys once a year, asking people which words are offensive and immoral?
No one is going to go to porn.ie thinking its a children's bookshop. Everyone knows what to expect. But even then, its not guaranteed porn.ie will contain pornography. The issue here is not about content.
The funny thing is, porn is legal in Ireland. Murder isnt, advertising prostitution isnt, but you can still register murder.ie and escorts.ie.
But nooo, no porn websites please. We dont want any of that dirty stuff in Ireland.
www.linger.ie?
Is that fetish, porn, underwear shop, what? It's certainly not immoral, unless you were the kind of person who still wears sackcloth.
How can a domain name be "immoral" and whose morals are we going by?
.com and host outside Ireland - so this kind of policy only serves to move money out of the Irish economy).
I think it's stupid that some people can't handle the english language in all its glory, and think that some specific words are "bad" or "unacceptable" or "immoral".
Personally, I've never understood how a word can be bad, but the meaning of it is OK. Example: you can say "biatch" and "a-hole" on the radio, but you can't say "bitch" or "asshole".
But since the meaning is exactly the same, the censorship is meaningless and only serves to sanitize the words, not the sentiment behind them.
In other words: it's all total "bullshit" (you can't say that on radio or tv, but you can say BS, even though the meaning is exactly the same and everyone knows what you mean).
This whole thing is childish beyond comprehension. The inmates have long since taken over the asylum. I'm just glad I'm still in my room, albeit not a rubber one.
The examples cited are quite funny, and unlike some here, I think comparing "murder.ie" and "porn.ie" is a great example of what gets accepted and what gets rejected, because it deomnstrates that apparently the "morals" of the body responsible for deciding those things are that the graphic visual depiction of consenting adults engaging in sexual activities is immoral, but the willful and premeditated taking of a human life is somehow more morally acceptable.
I wonder if a chicken farmer can register "cock.ie", and if he can, shouldn't anybody else have the same ability? This is government censorship, pure and simple. Any time you give the government the ability to decide what is and is not acceptable to say or write, it's a very slippery slope that inevitable leads to the censorship of voices critical of the government. I wonder if you can register "TheIrishAreAllDrunks.ie" or "BertieAhernIsAnIdiot.ie" (if not, you can always register them as
The "jews-out" someone came up with is a brilliant example of how easy it is to manipulate people into giving up their rights. Just throw out the nazi scare and people are willing to do a lot of stupid things, including the acceptance of censorship.
Freedom of speech means nothing if you limit it only to speech with which you agree. Yes, that means nazis and other morons have the same right as you or I to say what they want. ISP's don't have to host their sites if they don't want to, but the government should never, ever be given the power to decide what is and isn't acceptable speech. What is deemed acceptable by you today, may be unacceptable by someone else tomorrow, and that someone just might be in the position to censor your speech.
With freedom comes excess. If you're not willing to accept the excess, you don't truly believe in freedom.
I'd rather let neo-nazis enjoy their freedom of speech, than give the government the power to censor mine.
-- This sig for rent.
I think the guy tried to register f*ck.ie and the system thought he was a firefox zealot.
If enithin kan gow rong it whil. (Murfey)
First of all you're thinking of the wrong bloody country. The IE domain is for the Republic of Ireland, not Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom.
The majority of Irish people accept evolution, as opposed to a certain other country. The government funds stem cell research, unlike a certain other country. Our politicians don't pander to religious groups when making policy, unlike a certain other country.
Stones, glasshouses.
Unfortunate as it is there is truth in the old addage "You can not legislate morality." It's pathetic and sick that people, as a whole, will find ways to do the things the vast majority (in some cases the 'majority in power' (often not the same as the majority, and rarely thinking along the lines of the majority they are supposed to represent)) finds simply unacceptable and immoral. However, if a person is going to do something like that, a law or ban or restriction of any sort is going to be useless. That would only serve to keep those who "might not" do it from deciding "oh why not, it's not illegal" and going off and doing it. It will not prevent those who want to do it despite what people in general say and press for (legal-wise) from going out and doing it anyway. In the case of a domain name "ban" or "filter" on certain "offensive" words... Please, that's too easy to abuse and misuse. How many people whine that being called "black" is offensive or "African American" is offensive, or "hispanic" instead of (or in some cases being called) "Latin American" or "caucasian" instead of (or due to being called) "white"... it's retarded. If someone thinks they can get something or get a fleeting moment of fame by crying the "I'm oppressed and insulted by this" for something, they WILL come up with a reason for it. At this rate we'll be banning words like "Play" and "toy" and "special" and "school" and a slough of "offensive" words b/c of misuse or people's feigned insult at their use. Want to truly ban something offensive, ban the excessive control on what is billed as being the greatest medium of free speech and free idea trade ever created. Let people police themselves and the vast majority will do so - let the ones that don't want to just do their thing and stop making it a mainstream media frenzy and glorifying their struggle and making a liberal issue into a serious threat to everyone (ie: quit making these groups that want to do this stuff the hero by glorifying their fight for their free speech - b/c that is a REAL issue and makes us all have to get involved, and that's just making a bad thing glorified in order to save a good... we can do without that if there weren't a threat on the good at all).
-- "You must be the change you desire to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi --
Ireland the home rational , unemotional thought.
NB: I know, son of long line of Mahoneys and Boldricks.
Who modded this insightful? It's just a half-assed retard attempting to take a pot-shot at personal freedoms. So now sexual liberty is equivalent to some nutjob fucking a watermelon? Eat shit and die, you conservative prick.
Don't like personal freedom, cocksucker? Go to China. Stop fucking up the civilized world.
You heard me. GET OUT.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
How would they feel about shivermetimber.ie?
Thanks for that. The most insightful post on slashdot for the day!
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Legislating morality fails.
... discuss.
All information has positive value.
There are no bad thoughts, only bad actions.
Trying to control what people think will not work long term.
People will act to avoid control structures in any way they can.
People who work to control other people are often out of control of themselves.
People get severely screwed up but too much judgment, or said differently: trying to stop people from having their "bad/immoral" thoughts usually means the problems that create those bad thoughts are not addressed and corrected.
New Zealand back to the Kiwis I think you'll find you actually mean the Maori, and as it happens they've been doing a lot over the last 20 years to do that. Well, at least address some of the wrong doings. However this is quite off topic. Darn it.
Sometimes bad things happen.
"The proposed domain name must not be offensive or contrary to public policy or generally accepted principles of morality"(emphasis mine)
Unless you want to argue that murder is generally accepted morally, murder is out. Of course, the same logic is also a valid reason to ban tits, porn, and a lot of other words. On the other hand, sex, penis, and a lot of words would be acceptable (there's nothing amoral about a necessary function to continue the human species or the clinical description of a part of the body).
Besides, your line of logic that "the site could be a website about preventing " could be used for any amoral domain name, so they'd have to allow any domain name regardless of how it's actually used.
Eurohacker European paranoia, gun rights, and h
The one and only purpose of government is to enforce a moral code on the public. Too little enforced moral code, and you get a Somalia. Too much moral code, and you get a Taliban or a USSR. Of course, having a GOOD moral code is as important having the right amount of it enforced.
Certain liberals are frequently outraged at the enforced Western moral code because of a simplistic presupposition that violence is bad and sex is good. A more nuanced view would require that violence can be either good or bad, and sex can be either good or bad. Further nuance might require that there is not a one-to-one mapping between good/bad and good-to-publicly-display/bad-to-publicly-display.
My own view is that sex is not only good, but sacred. But however, that public depiction of sex and nudity is a bad thing. When sex stops being a private thing, it stops being a good thing. That dynamic does not exist with violence. Nor does the depiction of violence have anything close to a similar compelling effect on the mind. These things are based on my own philosophy, religion, and experience. Your mileage may vary. Anyway, reasoned arguments are great, but the trite, unreasoned, and one-dimensional arguments that this subject tends to suck out of the woodwork... not so much.
Just use a name like http://college-movies.com/ .. who would guess ?
You speak of "Bondagegirls.ie" that turns some people on. IANAP (I am not a paedophile) but couldn't the same arguement be made for "xxxpreteens.ie"? It turns some sick freaks on. So we still allow it? So seriously, if you're going to use that logic, make sure you subject your logic to every example before stating it.
Warning: Corny karma killing post above.
Uhh... there is gaydar.ie, incidentally.
It's very popular!
Luxembourg is a member state of the European Union and as such bound by the declaration of human rights. That includes free speech.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Would've been the perfect address for a spreadfirefox mirror...
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Only your readers could see a article about Irish censorship and realize its true nature; a soapbox for another Arabs vs. Jews flame war with countless unchecked facts being used to as a check to someone else's enormous ego.
You were critically hit for no damage. The bruise will look nice, and maybe the scars will make good party talk.
Nude pictures of preteens is illegal and the problem. A website called "xxxpreteens.ie" is only a problem if they are doing something illegal like that. The name itself is not immoral.
I am offended by all domains started with a A.... Where can i request them to remove all those domains?
Regards, Johan Louwers.
An adult woman can consent to being tied up.
A child cannot consent to anything.
Despite what the bible thumpers would have you believe, this is not a slippery slope to 2 month old male puppies being raped by a guy.
Convenient how the "political" divisions were so neatly defined by the religion of the person holding them. Sure it's not exactly a debate over theological points, but it was an inter religious conflict nontheless. Labeling it a political conflict is just a way to make out the protagonists are more rational than they really are.
As for the generational differences, I don't believe they are significantly different than in any other country.
So rich third world countries too?
You can't take the sky from me...
Simply, no.
This was a significant part of the Enlightment.
I always get a kick out of that. "We shouldn't kill people if they're from another kind of the same religion as us. Other religions are still fair game though." And they call it the "Enlightenment."
Religion: The ultimate in Marketing.
*insert Internet Explorer joke here*
(note that I searched before posting, nobody posted it)
I think the point the webmaster of may be missing re http://www.escorts.ie/ is that this is clearly a Northern Irish website. So, the laws of the Republic of Ireland do not apply?
That would be the Irish domain suffix.
A prefix would come before the domain.
Bring back Sirius Punk!
You know your statement is a direct result of the Enlightenment, right?
During the Enlightment most people started feeling that being religious and killing people other people because of their religion were somewhat incompatible, regardless of the religious beliefs of the person you're killing.
Your obvious distate for killing someone who disagrees with you is the same belief that you're protesting so loudly. The irony is amusing.
Why ban a domain? or 10 domains? Why not focus on the bigger problem or the goal? i.e. to ban porn itself? Porn is bad, its perverse. It brings out the worst in an individual and to top it all, the storyline really sucks (no pun intended).
Instead of trying to divide and conquer, govt should focus their efforts and whatever little brains they have on trying to come up with ways of banning porn. Or the simplest solution is to not ban anything and completely trust human beings to have enough maturity and good sense. But then this is the desert of the real right?
I can see where people get this idea from, but for one second let me offer an alternative thought that is totally independent of prejudice (semitic or otherwise).
Consider that the Israelis have proven time and again to be absolutely ruthless in dealing with attacks on its people and provinces. Consider also that the Israeli government has a scorched earth policy in relation to the detonation of WMD's on their soil. Consider also, that America relies on large quantities of oil from the Arabian peninsula to maintain its economic and technological superiority.
It paints an altogether different picture no? I believe that the issue is less one of America protecting Israel and more one of America protecting all of its other interests in the middle east, from fear that the Israelis get it into their heads to vaporize the lot.
I am not now, nor have I ever, been a Communist, but I guess I count as a subversive sympathizer under that definition. Just getting that out in the open. Anyhow, I'd be rather shocked to hear about a Knight of Columbus in Ireland unless he was an American expatriot (or tourist, naturally), as the organization was specifically founded to be an *American* Catholic lay organization. Its emphatically not like the Boy Scounts, which are American in America and British in Britain and what have you. (N.B. That the Knights of Columbus in the USA are a very patriotic organization, but when they talk about "America" in the historical sense they mean it in the sense of the American continents -- thats why they picked Columbus as their namesake, incidentally)
o f-Jews that you might think if you read too many bad Dan Brown novels. (Actually, "bad Dan Brown novels" is about one world longer than it needs to be. Remember, this is a guy whose novel about encryption had the NSA unable to defeat a cracker-jack decoder ring.)
Anyhow, for those Americans reading this, there are probably Knights in a neighborhood close to you carrying out their subversive activities of operating soup kitchens, selling insurance (its a biggie -- long story), and escorting the flag on the Fourth of July. Oh, and giving $140 million to charity in 2005 alone. "Cumulative figures show that during the past decade, the Knights of Columbus has donated more than $1.208 billion to charity, and provided in excess of 574 million hours of volunteer service in support of charitable causes." (pulled from their website)
The Opus Dei, yep, also not the world-spanning Zionist-conspiracy-except-with-Catholics-instead-
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
I would like to point out that this is the same country where homosexuality wasn't decriminalised till 1993. It was in and around the same time before it became legal to sell playboy in the shops.
Thankfully the church here in Ireland doesn't hold the same sway it used to but we're still 95% Roman Catholic. The counrty is progressing and has gone from a third world country in the 1980's to one of the richest countries in Europe today. The country has tried take huge steps to come around to the idea that it is better to let people say things you don't like than make everyone think the same way. Every now and again the will conservatives win one though.
I am not particularly interested in whether porn sites can sell wares under an IE domain but this issue is the true test of free speech. I take hope in the idea in this fast evolving soceity these incidents are becoming less common.
Ireland are retards.
I just wanted to say that.
Of course shouldnt a registar force their so called moral on others.
i vote that it's a bad thing.
Ireland will be united as one just in time to be subsumed into the United States of Europe.
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What does the name have to dow ith content? Why can't I put a site called "xxxpreteens.com" but on it have pictures of 18+ women who just happen to look young? While not my cup of tea, I've done nothing illegal.
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Ah, you must be one of those "mathematics denial" people. Here you go, from a trusted resource and using all the right symbols (which we can't on Slashdot) so you know it's the real deal. (Hint: look for the sentence that starts "We say A is a proper superset of B if..."
"should a government-chosen domain registry be allowed to enforce their own moral code on the public?"
yes.
But this shouldn't be handled by a domain registrar, which has no training in what kinds of speech are unsuitable for minors or carry other offensive characteristics.
What you need is a Bureau of Proper Speech, which has veto power over all domain names, then those who specialize in this area of governing are making the decisions. This type of regulation shouldn't be left to the amateurs who probably do not know the difference between "asshat.com" and "analingus.com".
Once properly funded and empowered, your Bureau of Proper Speech can regulate far more than mere domain names. After all, it is the content of the websites that you are concerned with, not just the domain names. They can cover all kinds of ground, and protect you and your women and children from all manner of unsightly, disturbing, arguably incorrect, and controversial materials.
And you are right. It's vastly important that we protect children from abusive speech. A well-run Bureau of Proper Speech could protect your children from dangerous bullies at school. It could protect them from teachers who are prone to spout socialist propaganda in the classrooms. It could even protect them from parents who might poison their minds with slanderous points of view about your country's leadership.
Why stop at domain names. Efficiency and public desire demand that your Bureau of Proper Speech be given broad powers and the proper funding to make use of ***new technologies*** that will protect your children and everyone else from objectionable content.
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Anyone else here get a completely wrong impression of the article by the inclusion of "IE" and "immoral" in the title?
Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. - John 14:6 NLT
Now, considering that 1% of people own 99% of the world -- and there is not really a such thing as "private property" anymore (unless you're a homeowner), I daresay that government censorship is a very small threat to free speech, when compared to private censorship.
The true threat that may quell the voice of the people are apologists like you who seem to think that censorship is a-okay, as long as the one doing the censoring is not the government, and has enough money^H^H^H^H^Hownership to set his or her own rules.
I'm here to warn you that, for the sake of humanity, your position is a dangerous one to take.
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IEDR has to try to follow the rules and under its interpretation, porn.ie is not acceptable. Of course allowing bebo.ie, windowsonecare.ie, onecare.ie (Microsoft products), irishindependent.ie (one of the biggest Irish newspapers with the domain irish-independent.ie), googel.ie (google typo), dmoz.ie to be squatted is perfectly fine. Though technically, porn.ie might not be acceptable under the legislation governing .ie ccTLD. Most ccTLDs tend to run differently to the gTLDs like .com where anything can be registered.
That's right, I made up that stuff about proper supersets, added it to math textbooks all over the world, bribed teachers into teaching it, professors into professing it, tutors into tooting it.
Why did I do all this? Isn't it obvious? It's all part of my cunning ploy to confuse earth's inhabitants so I can take over the world.
Alternatively, you're wrong and there really are such things as proper supersets and proper subsets.
Inconceivable!
The proper superset of all sets is: everything; also known as infinity, NaN, your system is running low on resources, etc. ("Shoot the bloody pedant!")
The proper superset of a collection of sets is best explained by example: set A is equal to set B, both are distinct from set C, and set D is the proper superset of the other 3 sets: it contains all the properties of A/B and all the properties of C. Because D contains C in addition to A and B, it is distinct from the other 3 sets and can rightly be called the proper superset of all sets. In a situation where C does not exist, A=B=D and therefore there is no proper superset of all sets. Once the symbols are removed, we see that this is accurate: there is only one set cloned three times.
It is important to distinguish "proper" supersets/subsets from supersets/subsets. Some mathematicians even use special symbols to illustrate the distinction.
That should read: "...there is only one set cloned twice."
My bad.
i'm replying to the parent, not you (the grandparent)...
you let me know when you can show me the set that is a proper superset of the set of all sets
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Apologies, I didn't realize your last post was intended to be sarcastic; I thought you were agreeing!
I have not personally seen that set that is the proper superset of the set of all sets, but reliable sources inform me that it's blue (from the outside, at least). They wanted to call it the Ultraset, but it turns out people have already started calling it other things that don't sound like a mix of Tramadol and acetaminophen. Religious people call it "The Absolute". Computers call it "NaN" or "Divide by zero error on line 42". For the rest of us, the term "cosmos" suffices.
Read it again. Particularly the part at the end where it says "Other religions are still fair game, though."
> or example comparing the life of citizens of Luxembourg to the life of Rwandanese people
Same goes for Luxembourg where it's apparently not possible to register the sex.lu domain (and probably also any other "offending" one)
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.
Exactly right. We don't believe we should kill muslims because they're muslims.
"Fair game" doesn't mean "acceptable." It means "game" as in "prey" (think hunting). If you actually think they don't beleive that, I assume you haven't talked to many of your compatriots lately, hm?
"Enlightenment" is the antithesis of religion.
I'm talking to you, whose mental thoughts are the result of the Enlightenment bashing the Enlightenment. Try reading Locke and his thoughts on religion.
As an Irish resident and citizen living in Ireland, there is a lot wrong with the way the .ie domain is managed, but this issue is not one of them. Even in a free market economy you have to have checks and governance, and some sort of rules. If the the IEDR didnt adopt this approach the .ie domain would be a joke, much the same way the .com/.net/.org/.biz/.info system is now. Remember how .org used to be just for not for profits, .nets for netork companies etc.? Have another look and you will see that idea has gone by the wayside with the proliferation of the nastier side of the web.
I don't think youll find anyone of any nationality who would like their country level domain being used for what is popularly conceived to be adult, racist, or malodorous content.
So while its easy for people to wave fingers and point out about free speech and your constitution, thats your country not ours. I think if anyone saw the site allamericansarepigs.us they wouldnt be too happy, we have a similar right and obligation to uphold the good Irish name.
As a domain reseller I am happy with their rules on these sort of things as it actually is a selling point in getting a business to part with 120 instead of 10 for one of the popular domains.
This is not a free speech issue as its being popularised, more a one of upholding the inherent market value and marketability of a product. Remember the IEDR did ask for consultations on this and other issues, so this is what the response was. Also the IEDR is set up as a non govermental, self funding body. A cursory read of the website would reveal this and many more details.
If you want a porn site or other "non censored" domain, logon, open your wallet and pretend to be whoever you really want to be, and get yourself a virtual card and off you go and setup your porn/adult or whatever kind of site you want .com/.net/.org/.info/.biz.
However if you are an irish business and you want to instill into your customer and market that you are a) reliable b) trustworthy c) local d) established, then go get yourself a .ie domain and leverage that for all its worth!