even with the problems you are having, SuSE may be your best bet for a fix. The SuSE developers do hang out on the mailing lists and you may get a quick fix there as a SuSE user that should be your first option as you do get 30 days of support. Also the development team members contribute a lot to the XFree project and often release custom X servers for various cards. I was having problems with an SiS chipset and received multiple replies from developers and users alike. Soon they had their own XSiS server for public consumption and its now part of XFree. Hope this helps.
I have to agree w/this post, in order for Linux to be successful in the desktop arena, your average trained house pet must be able to install it. I often read in various threads here on/. about the instabilities of windoze and how it crashes often however the average/. poster would be considered a "Power User" in the IT scheme of things and I'm sure we have all tested the limits of Windoze at one time or other just to see what will make it crash. Your average telemarketer or secretary will never do the things to their work pc that some of us do to them @home. Since they only use the most basic core features of the OS in order to get their work done, they never notice the instability just the cool interface that always does what they want it to do. This is what the linux desktop must become in order to gain market share in the IT industry which is where there will be the most to be gained.
A good starting point where I learned a great deal is the Trinity OS document. Also try Unix Guru Universe for all things *nix. The information is out there but don't expect to become an expert overnight. As a *nix user of 15 years I still feel like a newbie in a lot of situations. IMHO thats what makes it fun;-)
I think a big problem right now is the great deal of certifications available to anyone with the money. For $1000 and 3 days of class you too can become a system administrator. A person with a MCSE can get a job anywhere anytime, I have a friend with a 2-year accounting degree who spent 1 week studying for the MCSE and tripled his salary in less than six months. Needless to say he doesn't have a clue but no one seems to notice. I think these quicky certifications are a big part of the problem.
I think the net simply gives an even playing field for all parties involved. If I disagree with you, I can let you know it now! I may be funny, rude, perverse or whatever I want and there will be no repercussions. I will not get beat up by you, I will not get hunted down by you, I will not get shot through my webcam by you (well maybe in a few years mmmmmm virtual bullets). Its safe and I can say exactly what I feel and I do not have to worry about your reaction because at the most it will result in a few random bits of the same....heh, i'll bet the average flamer is about 5 1/2 feet tall and weighs around 105 pounds soaking wet....LOL
heh...@Home certainly will not be brushing this off changes will be made in order to prevent the UDP. Newsgroup access is by todays standard part of a basic package offered by any decent ISP. @Home will comply and do it quickly (don't forget about the AOL and Time Warner merger). There has never been more competition in the broadband market.
The whole idea of "scanning the users - finding insecure servers" seems like a lame excuse to me.
How can this be classified as an excuse? The spam is coming from their network. If customers are running insecure servers (linux or whatever) then they are allowing the possibility of unauthorized access to the @Home network. This is not an excuse, it's what should have been done once complaints initially started coming in.
The users should not be allowing outside connections in the first place - so why cannot they filter it at their OWN end
There is minimal risk in allowing outside connections to your box if the necessary steps are taken to secure your box PROPERLY. I almost always have a ssh connection going between work and my SuSe box @home (no pun intended) this aids productivity since most of the Sys V and Dynix boxen at work have terribly outdated tools on them. Allowing connections or running servers is a big responsibility that most take too lightly. I learned early as my old redhat box was rooted the same day I put up my first box. This was no ones fault but my own.
A good first step for securing your linux boxen is reading the Trinity OS document which can be found here.
You gotta wonder what Sun is up to with this. Maybe they need some help to get ready to compete with Projet Monterey . Once this project is complete there will be few competitors for the "big iron" applications. I didn't follow this one too closely, anyone know why Sun is not participating in Monterey?
> It's almost as if they've given up and don't > care if MICROS~1 has 99.9% market share.
heh, I don't really think they give a fsck. What exactly are you comparing here? X to a windoze desktop? folks please read the previous posts these are not the same and are not direct competitors.
> And development has gotten so slow that they are > adding decimals: X11R6.1, X11R6.2,...
I'm sure they could use your expertise;-)
> Can't we do something about it? Can we use the > Linux momentum to take control of the standard? > How about re-working X and calling it > G-Windows (GNU-Windows), giving backward > compatibility to X11R6?
Man that really sounds familiar to something called embrace and extend. Looks like this kid did his last internship in Redmond...
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even with the problems you are having, SuSE may be your best bet for a fix. The SuSE developers do hang out on the mailing lists and you may get a quick fix there as a SuSE user that should be your first option as you do get 30 days of support. Also the development team members contribute a lot to the XFree project and often release custom X servers for various cards. I was having problems with an SiS chipset and received multiple replies from developers and users alike. Soon they had their own XSiS server for public consumption and its now part of XFree. Hope this helps.
I have to agree w/this post, in order for Linux /. /. poster would be considered a "Power User" in the IT scheme of things and I'm sure we have all tested the limits of Windoze at one time or other just to see what will make it crash. Your average telemarketer or secretary will never do the things to their work pc that some of us do to them @home. Since they only use the most basic core features of the OS in order to get their work done, they never notice the instability just the cool interface that always does what they want it to do. This is what the linux desktop must become in order to gain market share in the IT industry which is where there will be the most to be gained.
to be successful in the desktop arena, your average trained house pet must be able to install it. I often read in various threads here on
about the instabilities of windoze and how it crashes often however the average
A good starting point where I learned a great deal is the Trinity OS document. Also try Unix Guru Universe for all things *nix. The information is out there but don't expect to become an expert overnight. As a *nix user of 15 years I still feel like a newbie in a lot of situations. IMHO thats what makes it fun;-)
I think a big problem right now is the great deal of certifications available to anyone with the money. For $1000 and 3 days of class you too can become a system administrator. A person with a MCSE can get a job anywhere anytime, I have a friend with a 2-year accounting degree who spent 1
week studying for the MCSE and tripled his salary
in less than six months. Needless to say he doesn't have a clue but no one seems to notice. I think these quicky certifications are a big part of the problem.
I think the net simply gives an even playing field
for all parties involved. If I disagree with you, I can let you know it now! I may be funny, rude, perverse or whatever I want and there will be no repercussions. I will not get beat up by you, I will not get hunted down by you, I will not get shot through my webcam by you (well maybe in a few years mmmmmm virtual bullets). Its safe and I can say exactly what I feel and I do not have to worry about your reaction because at the most it will result in a few random bits of the same....heh, i'll bet the average flamer is about 5 1/2 feet tall and weighs around 105 pounds soaking wet....LOL
heh...@Home certainly will not be brushing this off changes will be made in order to prevent the UDP. Newsgroup access is by todays standard part of a basic package offered by any decent ISP. @Home will comply and do it quickly (don't forget about the AOL and Time Warner merger). There has never been more competition in the broadband market.
The whole idea of "scanning the users - finding insecure servers" seems like a lame excuse to me.
How can this be classified as an excuse? The spam is coming from their network. If customers are running insecure servers (linux or whatever) then they are allowing the possibility of unauthorized access to the @Home network. This is not an excuse, it's what should have been done once complaints initially started coming in.
The users should not be allowing outside connections in the first place - so why cannot they filter it at their OWN end
There is minimal risk in allowing outside connections to your box if the necessary steps
are taken to secure your box PROPERLY. I almost always have a ssh connection going between work and my SuSe box @home (no pun intended) this aids productivity since most of the Sys V and Dynix boxen at work have terribly outdated tools on them. Allowing connections or running servers is a big responsibility that most take too lightly. I learned early as my old redhat box was rooted the same day I put up my first box. This was no ones fault but my own.
A good first step for securing your linux boxen is reading the Trinity OS document which can be found here.
Dam, its got more memory than my k6 box. Only
have 32 megs and the onboard video takes up 4 megs....sigh
You gotta wonder what Sun is up to with this. Maybe they need some help to get ready to compete
with Projet Monterey . Once this project is complete there will be few competitors for the "big iron" applications.
I didn't follow this one too closely, anyone know why Sun is not participating in Monterey?
> It's almost as if they've given up and don't
...
> care if MICROS~1 has 99.9% market share.
heh, I don't really think they give a fsck. What
exactly are you comparing here? X to a windoze desktop? folks please read the previous posts these are not the same and are not direct competitors.
> And development has gotten so slow that they are > adding decimals: X11R6.1, X11R6.2,
I'm sure they could use your expertise;-)
> Can't we do something about it? Can we use the
> Linux momentum to take control of the standard? > How about re-working X and calling it
> G-Windows (GNU-Windows), giving backward
> compatibility to X11R6?
Man that really sounds familiar to something called embrace and extend. Looks like this
kid did his last internship in Redmond...
heh only if it happened at 11:11