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SuSE 6.4 Announced
Smoking writes "It seems like SuSE 6.4 has been announced at SuSE's german site but not yet at their US site.
It includes an (hum!) enhanced graphical installer and new stuff like XFree 4.0 (not installed by default). The release date for the german version is March 27th and the little mathematical function on the box is cooler than ever. " They also recently announced that they will be working with the folks at SourceForge for some of their new development.
It includes an (hum!) enhanced graphical installer and new stuff like XFree 4.0 (not installed by default). The release date for the german version is March 27th and the little mathematical function on the box is cooler than ever. " They also recently announced that they will be working with the folks at SourceForge for some of their new development.
Germans don't do comedy
they do linux!
SuSE kicks butt!
Not true. The rest of the free packages are available from the server. I have downloaded quite a number of programs.
...the KDE setup that comes with RedHat is still next to unusable compared to other distros. SuSE's Gnome setup, OTOH, is pretty decent.
ich bein leiben! i will pour a hot bowl of grits down my lederhosen! dankeshon.
Furtermore, unlike in RedHat, Del and Backspace, Home and End keys work RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX in every application. RedHat does not seem to be able to get this little thing right. 5.1,5.2,6.0,6.1 all borken! What a pain!
Suzy, like Susie Q.
Oh, man. "The only distribution that's pure, because it's compiled by Norwegian bachelor programmers" :>
While Red Hat 6.1 installs KDE, it dosn't work right. You are better off getting KDE from KDE and installing it. Red Hat obviously didn't bother putting any effort into integrating KDE into their Distro. They just threw it in.
just a thought but with debian your wouldn't be having these problems
yep, it is part of the libjpeg package: http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/Pake te/paket_inhalt_libjpeg.html
I just bought SuSE 6.3 for $29.95 at Fry's in Dallas. That's pretty doggone cheap considering the convenience of getting 6 cdroms packed full of stuff plus a fairly decent book and installation support.
rpms are pathetic, debs are better and are more technically astute
The thing that I wonder is whatever happened to the PPC version of 6.3 which was supposed to be identical to the x86 version? Whatever happened to it?
"...for its inclusion of non-free software". We should all be using Debian. Live Free or Die!
because Debian only do a stable release once every 7 years you mean?
Thats just gay. F_e_dora's are gay. Especially red ones.
Should be a cap, I don't think Bob Youngs grandad was wearing a fedora while he was playing lacrosse.
Only a homo would do that.
BAA! GEEZ god, I dont like the shade of blue you made the sky, its just not that specific kind of blue that you know I like, and what are those fluffy white shits blowing all over? And the MOON is too high! I cant REACH it dammit, I want to REACH IT!!! I WANNA TOUCH THE MOON. I WANT THE MOON AND I WANT IT NOW!!!
I find that the most interesting feature of SuSE 6.4 is their inclusion of a journaling reiserfs. According to their website (http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/ind ex.html in german) you get: - quick recovery after a crash (you don't need to run fsck for hours on a big partition) - using LVM you can increase the size of a MOUNTED reiserfs partition - you can decrease the size of an unmounted partition
You're lucky, he ate all my Solaris media!
MR_BILL BUY A BIKE! KIA MAKES BIKES TOO! AT LEAST WE KNOW WHERE "none of the calories" HAVE GONE!
Will he ever stop?
site have not updated it yet because they are too busy moderating this post down to a -1.
Again!? Didn't I just buy 6.3 a couple months ago, and 6.2 three months before that? Oh well, $30.00 is a small price to pay for a great package.
s/20\.62/so\.64/
however most people in the world do not speak German and probably couldn't read that little thing anyway.
Geez. I'm running 6.2, I've had the 6.3 box sitting around for a few weeks waiting for me to get a chance to reorganize my disks a bit before installing it (I've got bits and pieces of an old Caldera install and some other odds and ends - probably about 3 different root partitions, yuck), and here's 6.4 out already. But I'll probably hold off, if I can wait for a 2.4 kernel and a mature XFree86 4.0.
Just trash all that crufty Caldera junk (and junk it is) and run the 6.3 as an update over your 6.2 existing version if you've got enough room in your existing partitions. I just finished the update of my 6.1 to 6.3 and it went slicker than snot. I'd wait awhile for XFree68 4.0 too, let others iron out all the rest of its kinks for awhile. XFree86 3.3.5 that ships with SuSE 6.3 is plenty stable and mature.
> Does anyone know if you can overcome the ATA 33.8G limit with 2.2.14, (2.3.??) ?
The newest 2.2.15pre's should have a fix.
This is awesome news!
The only bad thing about SuSE is that they update so friggen often. I haven't bought anything past 6.2 and was hesitant on 6.3 cuz I knew 6.4 was going to be out soon. I'm interested to know what they've done this time. Every version of SuSE is significanlty better than the last and SuSE 6.1 is awesome!!
Oh, wait a minute. This isn't Freshmeat. Oh, I get it. Slashdot and Freshmeat are owned by the same company. Slashdot gets adclicks and Freshmeat doesn't. Freshmeat will be shut down with Slashdot picking up its functionality. Great job, Andover !!!!
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Actually, SuSE is alot bigger than that. My SuSE 6.1 has a 4.6 gig installation. I couldn't find the specific size with 6.3 (although it said it was over 4 gigs).
6.3 came with YaST 2 which was kind of the user friendly GUI installation (gag).
Figures that I got 6.3 two days ago. *sigh* Methinks ill wait until it comes packaged with KDE 2.0 before i upgrade again.
is the custom X servers. Who would support me when I had an ATI Rage 128 AGP? Only SuSE. Makes me happy.
That 'have a lot of fun' is the literal translation of 'viel Spass', another equivalent would be simply 'enjoy'.
Interestingly, I sent the following to feedback@suse.de yesterday evening with XXXXXXX replaced by the City I work in:
.99p5 or p6. I've configured X by hand. I've compiled--at one time or another--just about every major peice of Linux, and some of X-11 (a server), including Ghostscript *before* there was a configuration tool for it.
/etc/rc.conf (which I'll get to in a minute) to something a little more reasonable, and it was done. Somehow in 6.3 you've managed to bugger this one up completely. Changing it in /etc/rc.config no longer does anything obvious, nor is it obvious how to change the system default. This is severly broken.
/etc/rc.conf file. While I can understand--and even approve of--keeping certain system configurations in one place, your system goes completely over the top. There is no legitimate reason for some of the things you have in there. Among the things that Just Do Not Belong are the things like name servers, timezone entries, the creating of /etc/hosts.conf & resolv.conf, gpm entries, etc. This file should at *least* be broken up into several different configuration files (like say rc.networks, rc.system etc).
____________begin email__________
I am writing to express my dissatisfaction with SuSE Linux 6.3 distribution.
I am the Information Services Manager for a small startup in XXXXXXXX. Currently we are about 50% Linux based, with the remainder of our machines a mix of NT, Windows 95 & 98, Solaris on Sparc, OpenBSD, and Macintosh. I am the only System Administrator here. I *am* the IT department, I manage the network, build and deploy the machines and etc. I have about 18 people locally that I provide primary support for, with minor issues in an overseas office.
I have been a Linux user since some time in late 92 or early 93. I started using Slackware when the kernel was a
I may not be the brightest crayon in the box. I am for sure not a kernel hacking C-dreaming Guru, but I've been doing this a long time, and I've been real impressed with how far linux has come in such a (relatively) short time.
That is, until I purchased SuSE 6.3. Now, I have SuSE 6.1, and thought it was relatively nice. It had some problems, but then all of the linux distros I've used (Slackware, DedRat, Debian) that I've installed had some problems. Your distribution was the best of a not real impressive group.
Yeah, Ok. I'll get on with more specific issues and try to keep this short.
The most annoying thing, and ultimately the most trivial in terms of fixing is the way your install program has the kde window manager hard coded as the default. In 6.1 this was annoying, since neither I, nor any of my programmers use kde. In 6.1 this was trivial to get rid of, you just made the change in
The second most annoying, and IMO unreasonable thing you've done is to centralize all the configuration in the
Third, the inclusion of LVM, and ReiserFS in 6.3 is a serious mistake. ReiserFS has some serious potential, and is possibly useful at this point in time, but it's not well integrated into the kernel, and still has some issues. LVM is even worse--AND YOU INCLUDE IT IN YOUR INSTALLER. This is bordering on irresponsible. I fought with that damn thing for 5 or 6 hours over the last week, and it *still* insists (after several repartitions) that my original VG should be there. Of course, it cannot delete it, but it can still find it.
I can see including (under some grouping like "beta" or "as unstable as your average psychopath") including this package, after all it's going to be majorly useful and, well it let's you make claims about your distribution that aren't *exactly* false, thereby allowing you to compete on check boxes with more mature Operating Systems and even less responsible Linux distributers. However, it is still the wrong thing to do.
And finally, the thing that makes me curse your name is the new installer setup. Having to boot off the second CD to get to the installer script that actually provides some level of granularity in install process, I can understand. Having to *boot* off the second CD, and then switch to the first CD (or any other CD) to continue the process of preparing the machine for install is *so* *damn* *annoying* that it makes me scream. Especially when your install program isn't all that forgiving of typos and accidental typeaheads.
I really hope you and the rest of the Linux Packagers get a little better at this sort of thing, but with the IPO mania, and the Open Source Fad that is sweeping this country, there is little incentive for you guys to do things right, rather than package it and ship it.
Sincerely
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I certainly won't be buying SuSE again anytime soon.
I think it is great when a company's release a lot of new versions, that is one of the reasons i run SuSE. For everyone complaining about how you just bought 6.3...stop, you don't have to upgrade. I myself have just bought 6.3 to upgrade 6.0(why should i upgrade for no reason) about 1 month ago and I probable wont buy another new version tell 7 or 6.6 or whatever. You are not forced to upgrade and there is no good reason for you to upgrade so soon. Just wait tell there have been enough changes to warrant upgrading. Just because you bought 6.3 a week ago doesn't mean people who want to buy a copy of SuSE today shouldn't get all the newest packages. KEEP THE UPGRADES COMING SuSE.
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They would also have the edge against redhat. Who wouldn't choose the little cuddly toy vs the stupid looking red hat. There is also no point in making variants of red hats. A red hat is just a red hat but people would actually start
collecting the variants of the green lizards if they were cute enough.
It's not just an actual Red hat it's a fadora. You could have subtle differences in the type of hat that you give out. Plus you would be able to show your loyalty to the company with one. Just think you could look like a Dick Tracy character.
Isn't the prior release of Alpha versions of Xfree a major part of the reason XFree development is done behind closed doors right now. If I read this correctly this could make them take even more steps in that direction!
Just my $.02, I could very well be totaly off.
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SuSE is always just soooo huge! So... how many DVDROMs is SuSE filling up this time?
Have you tried Powdermilk Biscuits?
My, they're tasty, and expeditious...
thank you.
Hrm... 1 day before the free release of BeOS 5. Wonder if there's any significance? :)
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
Exactly. SuSE kix ass for the bandwidth challenge. Plus if you just pick one of the templates you don't have to go through all the packages one at a time.
Also I don't mind the english version being released a month later. It gives them a chance to get some updates in.
Not that any of this makes Red Hat better than SuSE -- in fact, it mostly demonstrates that it's good to have competition.
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Ah, that's because those Europeans have no sense of humour; they can't see the funny side of using a distribution that tells you to 'Have a lot of fun' :-)
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Huh? We've been shipping the most current libjpeg for quite some time, there's just been a lack of agreement among linux vendors as to what to name the library file.
-josh
Not another version already! I only brought 6.3 to upgrade from 6.1 about 3 weeks ago. Why so many versions? What value do we really get between them? I've not seen a list of what's in the new kit, but thinking about it -- 2.2.15 isn't out yet, so they can only have gone up one version of the kernel. Same with XFree86 as 4.0 is too new yet to go mainstream.
Maybe they've made some improvements with the sys admin features in Yast. Yast was good when it first came out, but has fallen way behind the competition in features and ease of use. I hope so anyway. Either that or they should dump it and go with Linuxconf.
This time I think I'll out-psyche myself. I'll buy it as soon as it's out so that the gap between the next version at least *seems* a bit longer.
Macka
I'm not positive in this case, but the explanation is probably that, while RH and SuSE both use the RPM format, they don't keep all their files in the same places. If you install an RH RPM on SuSE, or vice versa, nothing terrible will happen, but it might not be so clean anymore. I run Mandrake 6.1, which is essentially the same as RH in layout, and SuSE RPMs cause no problems.
Switch the . and the @ to email me.
SuSE or Slackware? SuSE or Slackware?!! AAuugghh!!!
-- 100% MS-Free as of 4-4-1999, 11:47:38 PST. "The lapdance is always better when the stripper is cryin'" Free Kevin,
Dear, everyone's in it for the money. Anyone who isn't in it for the money is still in college and living off their parents' money. Once they get out of college, they either have to be in it for the money, or they have to get out of Linux. Life is only big enough for one occupying profession :) Welcome to reality. Linus' plan of world domination is going to require linux to look a bit like Microsoft in many things. After all, they wrote the book on world domination :)
And Debian, the one you leave out, last released a distribution One year and 8 days ago. That's 373 days. (Yes, I know about potato, but come on.. one release every 373 days, and counting?) Maybe these "Over commercializers" just want to keep things relatively current? BTW, the last Suse was released in December. This Suse is 4 months away from the last one. That is ~3 releases a year, pretty damn good considering that the Linux Toolkit from Infomagic at one time released 4 times a year (an still does). I think once every four months is a good turn around time, in this fast moving linux market.
The hum! was because I had so many probs with YaST2 on the 6.3 version that I had to use the old YaST...
BTW It's really clever from them to let you choose between graphical and console install, and the way they do it is cool too: Just pop in CD 1 for the GUI or CD 2 for the console install...
What I would like to see is a graphical version of the configuration part of YAST, because it's already quite effective as a console app...
I'll second that for Sweden and probably the rest of Scandinavia. Red Hat is far more used and in the "spotlight" (press, media) than any other distro. Heck, I doubt that any other people than experienced Linux or UNIX users in Sweden know that Red Hat is not synonymous with Linux.
If I go to a random bookstore and look for Linux books (guides to Linux, "dummies" books, etc.), chances are 90% of them will cover Red Hat and Gnome.
On the other hand, I've visited bookstores in Germany and there those 90% of the books were about SuSe and KDE. The rest was generic. I couldn't find anything Red Hat-specific at all. So Germany is pretty SuSe-centric, to say the least.
But it always amuses me when I read headlines or comments on Slashdot implying that since I'm European I should be using SuSe "like we know all Europeans do".
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
I don't get your point here. ;)
Seriously though, I assume you mean that SuSe will get you more stuff for the money. ;)
However, a lot of what is shipped with SuSe on that impressive pile of CDs is unstable stuff. Plus, as soon as it makes it on that CD, will be outdated by new versions. So I don't really think that this is much of a value for people with faster Net connections and/or an obsessiveness for the latest and greatest stuff. And most of the Linux people I know have both of that
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
Same boat as me, except my AWARD BIOS v4.5 doesn't like >33.8GB either (see IBM tech note).
I did come across a fix for 2.2 somewhere which presumably has now been integrated as the previous poster says.
cheers
alex
Am I the only one not even able to get it to start? I got an AGP Voodoo3 2000 recently from someone I knew, XFree 3.3.5 worked fine, then I try to start XFree 4.0 (compiled from source, and using XFree's binaries) and all I get is "Unresolved function called" and it crashes. 3.9.18 worked fine on my Riva 128 but haven't got to ever try my Voodoo3 in XFree, ironic as how it is one of the supposedly best supported cards.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
yeh, and then they could make rainbow, special edition ones, and create special "bear-chameleon" releases....
maybe this would eb a good way to get it out to the "masses"... all we need is a stupid collectable gimmick, and it owuld sell like hotcakes...
or grits, if your a troll
... hi bingo
well... i think that you'vew been shipping libjpeg.62, and the newest is libjpeg.62b... i dunno the exact specs, but the problem is that it is missing the libjpeg.so.62 module that is needed by just about everything...
and if you upgrade to the latest, then KDE and A ton of other apps get real cranky...
... hi bingo
...it would be a pretty sad distro, basically going against the whole idea of "free," since they would charge for shipping a CD.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
In other words, SuSE may not be just for Europeans any more.s /screenshots/gnome.jpeg
Yeah, and they even happen to support both german and english speaking users in the same application at once... Look at http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/gif
This is exactly the kind of crappy configuration I expect from SuSE. (No, please don't blame it on GNOME, I don't have a "Zurück" and a "Forward" button at once in my gmc.)
They only let you download a 1 cd cutdown version
Looks like we have to wait a couple more weeks.
SuSE is a great distro for both seasoned and new Linux users. It has a friendly graphical install program and a very comprehensive administration tool.
I highly suggest to anyone who hasn't tried it, and isn't already set in their distribution ways, to grab a copy and give it a go.
All the large Linux venders (except Debian) are just pumping out releases every month now. A lot could be said of this but I'll let you come to your own conclusions...
Title says it all.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
>Flexibility
So's every other distro.
>A unified installation/administration tool
I'll give it that.
>KDE rather than GNOME (I prefer it)
It has both. Plus a horde of wms. Flexibility. You said it yourself.
>Less expensive (at least here)
RedHat is less expensive than RedHat depending on the stuff you get.
>More packages
Past 4000 it doesn't matter anymore.
>So -- SuSE is potentially aiming to take that >market domination. It might just teach Red Hat >that they're NOT the only game in town, even in >the US, anymore.
When I see SuSE m68k for my Amiga I'll use that too.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
I would have liked to see the KDE 2
I believe the latest pre-release version of KDE2 is going to be in the 'Unsorted' section of the CD, along with XFree86 4.0.
The most appropriate place for it, given that it's not finished yet, but people (like yourself) will want to try it.
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Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
That's another good thing I forgot to mention. The documentation is exceptional. I spent around $60 on Sam's Linux in 24 hours, Linux Complete, and another book and they aren't as thorough as my trusty SuSE manual.
I concur with respects to the unified administration tool bit. As far as I've seen, the slick integration & functionality of YaST, as well as the exceedingly thorough distro and documentation, makes SuSE Linux really the best choice for end-user-flavored workstations.
Yes, I've become quite attached to Suse (6.2), for a few reasons. One is that I like the single non-GUI YAST tool that does pretty much everything without a lot of fuss. Second is that they do a nice job of setting up the defaults for the window managers like KDE and FVWM2, and they include all the nice icons that I used to have to download. Third is that their X-config. tool, SAX, is really excellent, better than most Windows screen utils. And fourth, I find it mildly amusing when they occassionally forget to translate a dialog item or manual topic from German.
I don't think it's really a bug-- you have to actually click on your correct "keymap" during the installation (instead of just clicking "next" when the one you want is highlighted-- just because it's highlighted doesn't mean it's activated).
They even give you a text box to try it out on, too.... Shame on you for clicking "next" too fast.
You actually can; using YaST, you can tell it to use an FTP server, as I understand it, and then update your packages. Not fun, but certainly doable.
"I may disagree vehemently with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
"On that train all graphite and glitter, undersea by rail. Ninety minutes from New York to Paris..." -Donald Fagen, IGY
With my boxed SuSE set, I get floppies, my 5-CD set (they're up to six now, I haven't upgraded past 6.1 yet), an installation/configuration guide, and registration certificates for the StarOffice and SuSE tech support.
Plus, don't forget the cool translation errors in the installation guide! *laugh*
"I may disagree vehemently with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
"On that train all graphite and glitter, undersea by rail. Ninety minutes from New York to Paris..." -Donald Fagen, IGY
The problem arises in that each uses a defalt configuration, and SuSE's KDE configuration is nice. I'm too lazy to do it all myself. Plus, the screensavers and bitmaps are all really nice, and harder to find in non-KDE-based distros.
While it may have a stranglehld on the German market, that's certainly not the case in the UK. Yes, it's available, but Red Hat seems to be more prevalent.
I'm not saying that SuSE is the *only* European distribution, but rather that it's much MORE common in Europe than in the United States. I've had people laugh at me, here, for using it; I imagine that's not the case in Europe. Regional differences. My point was that Americans ... may start to see some merit in using it, in large enough numbers for more retailers to carry it.
"I may disagree vehemently with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
"On that train all graphite and glitter, undersea by rail. Ninety minutes from New York to Paris..." -Donald Fagen, IGY
CompUsa is selling the 6 disc box set for $14.95! Now that's a bargain....
I think most of it is available. The trouble is 6 CD's is quite a large download.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. :)
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We have fought the AC's, and they have won.
Or do they include it in the non-free tree? I just visited their ftp site and could not find it.
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We have fought the AC's, and they have won.
All Cheap Bytes does is just grab the data from RedHat and SuSE's ftp sites (yes, they sell $1.99 SuSE CDs as well, contrary to the previous post).
Buying a Cheap Bytes CD doesn't count as buying a copy of the distribution, so being able to buy a Cheap Bytes CD for distribution X doesn't make it less expensive than distribution Y, because you can just go to X and Y's FTP sites and get the whole enchilada yourself.
Ian
I bought the SuSE 6.0 box last year and have been a happy user since. YaST setup / updates via FTP have kept me with SuSE. On Tuesday of this week I took the plunge into 6.3, but instead of trying the upgrade path I went for the whole biscuit and installed on a new partition. You can get 6.3 from download.sourceforge.net (try /pub/suse/suse/i386/6.3/suse), although I don't recall if it's just the eval version. After making a boot disk and a modules disk (I needed the old DEC Tulip module) I rebooted with the floppy and installed via FTP onto my machine. Total time to install the default setup, configure X (using SaX), and get and /net install Star Office (from sun.com) was under two hours on a cable modem. This weekend I'll be wiping out a buddy's Win box to do the same to his.
The revolution will not be televised, it wil be slashdotted.
one better than mcleodeight
While SuSE has done a great job of the 'bit' distributions, they've been terrible (at least in Canada and I'm guessing US) at the 'atom' (physical mass - books/CDs/colorful boxes) distributions. Go to any Chapters bookstore, Future Shop (only if you must) or any vendor and try to find a SuSE box! Nothing. Lots of Red Hat, some Mandrake, and more Corel (no comment). If anybody I talked to in the last six months has heard about Linux they will start talking about Red Hat -- they've never heard of SuSE. And after a year of using 6.0 myself I still don't know the correct pronunciation for it!
one better than mcleodeight
SuSE does put an ISO of their current release on their ftp site. *But* it's only an evalutaion version, which gives you most of SuSE but you don't get the commercial apps (like a full version of OSS). You can get the current (SuSE 6.3) Evaluation ISO from:. iso . iso / suse/i386/evaluation-6.3.iso
/ suse/i386/evaluation-6.3.iso
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/evaluation-6.3
or the much fa SuSE does put an ISO of their current release on their ftp site. But it's only an evalutaion version, which gives you most of SuSE but you don't get the commercial apps (like a full version of OSS). You can get the current (SuSE 6.3) Evaluation ISO from:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/evaluation-6.3
or the much faster mirror:
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/suse
Keeps watching those sites, the SuSE 6.4 Evaluation ISO will be most likely be uploaded there soon. Most SuSE users will agree the evaluation ISO is very good, so give it a try.ster mirror:
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/suse
Keeps watching those sites, the SuSE 6.4 Evaluation ISO will be most likely be uploaded there soon. Most SuSE users will agree the evaluation ISO is very good, so give it a try.
Well, you can download the bootdisk and install it via FTP.
You don't even need to have a CD-ROM drive.
Just read the FTP install HOWTO.
However, I'd strongly recommend not to install from ftp.suse.com, but from ftp.gwdg.de as due to US export laws the US server does not contain cryptographic software (such as ssh).
Only the bundled commercial software will be missing (OSS, Staroffice etc.) of course.
Claus
I just got a preview version of Suze 6.4 at CEBIT (it comes on one disc). During installation I noticed a few annoying things. At the end of the installation you have to create an account for yourself. when entering my user name I noticed that when I press "Z" on my keyboard, I get a "Y" on the screen. I also noticed that the installer did not detect my monitor rihgt and it kept refreshing the screen a few times per second resulting in a useless login prompt. In suze's defence however I must admit that previous versions worked just fine.
Setting up Apache webserver with PHP support was done automatically in contrast to other distributions. I also like Suze's efforts in helping developement of KDE. Suze is also the first to incorporate the Reiser File System in it's distributions. At least that is what a spokesperson said on "Computer Club" (this is a tv show on German television).
There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't
Spent last weekend sticking 6.3 on my new 40G maxtor. Left me feeling pretty up to date for er, 4 whole days.
Now I feel like a putz. I should have gone to the pub instead, waited a few weeks and stuck 6.4 on a 75G IBM.
Does anyone know if you can overcome the ATA 33.8G limit with 2.2.14, (2.3.??) ?
How can I install 6.3 and get to use the whole drive instead of a measly 33.8 gig ?
http://rareformnewmedia.com/
Why is this a problem with the others? I'm not aware of any current distributions that ship GNOME but not KDE. The only difference is the GNOME is the default in Red Hat, while KDE is the default in SuSE.
SuSE may not be just for Europeans any more.
People in the US seem to assume that everyone in Europe uses SuSE. While it may have a stranglehold on the German market, that's certainly not the case in the UK. Yes, it's available, but Red Hat seems to be more prevalent.
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
I always thought packages were installed on SuSE using Red Hat's RPM. Funny that.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Geez. I'm running 6.2, I've had the 6.3 box sitting around for a few weeks waiting for me to get a chance to reorganize my disks a bit before installing it (I've got bits and pieces of an old Caldera install and some other odds and ends - probably about 3 different root partitions, yuck), and here's 6.4 out already.
But I'll probably hold off, if I can wait for a 2.4 kernel and a mature XFree86 4.0.
-- Alastair
actually, it's more likely to see freshmeat get assimilated by sourceforge, and freshmeat eventually become a redirect to the what's new link on sourceforge with a user-config layout option to emulate freshmeat formatting.
damnit, I hope that they finally move to the newest libjpeg so that packages are easier to upgrade...
i';m tired of the libjpeg.so.62 not being found... and then haveing to kludge around to get anything to work...
and put a version of mozilla that can actually be used...
... hi bingo
I don't know about OSS, but after you burned your iso-image and installed SuSE you can fire up YaST and then install the packages you missed on your EVALU-cdrom via ftp.
:-)
So even if you get the evalu-iso image, you still have access to the full distro for free.
After all a CDROM only(!) holds ~600MB.
cheers,
Roland
SuSE is always just soooo huge! So... how many DVDROMs is SuSE filling up this time?
Actually I think that debian is the biggest with roughly 2Gb of actual packages. That I think was with slink.
Potato may be more and unstable even more.
Slashdot social engineering at it's finest
SuSE does put an ISO of their current release on their ftp site. *But* it's only an evalutaion version, which gives you most of SuSE but you don't get the commercial apps (like a full version of OSS). You can get the current (SuSE 6.3) Evaluation ISO from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/evaluation-6.3.is o or the much faster mirror: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/suse/su se/i386/evaluation-6.3.iso Keeps watching those sites, the SuSE 6.4 Evaluation ISO will be most likely be uploaded there soon. Most SuSE users will agree the evaluation ISO is very good, so give it a try.
SuSE is not, in general, less expensive than RedHat, because you can get RedHat from Cheap Bytes, but SuSE don't allow you to resell copies of their distribution. When you pay $50 or so for RedHat, you are supporting ten other users who got it for next to nothing.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
The ISO is good, yes. But I REALLY recommend buying the full. CompUSA sometimes has it for $19.99 , and hell, you get so much on those 6 CDs.. I mean.. it's incredible. ANd the MANUAL! It's the best one I've EVER seen. It doesn't explain how to do things like redhat's does. It explains WHY things work.
I have a nice high speed connection at work, and would rather just download and burn to a cd there. Does SuSE support this? Do they have an FTP install? Can I get around buying the CD?
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
Yes, you can do an FTP install, the bootdisks are all on the FTP site
(ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/6.3/disks/
for 6.3 - sure you can work out where for 6.4).
As for burning a CD, I'm not sure whether you can or not - the problem being that YaST (The SuSE set up tool family) is not GPL. Info on this at
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i38 6/6.3/COPYRIGHT.yast
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Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
I am so sick of people saying that SuSE is huge and bloated just because it happens to come with a lot of software. You do NOT have to install all the pacakages! I always install the minimum or default installation and use YaST to connect to SuSE's ftp and search for whatever program I want. Plus you must remember that not all people want to spend all day on a 56k trying to download every package they need, and this doesn''t even take into account the time wasted searching freshmeat, linuxlinks.com, etc, for the programs you want. I'm lucky enough to have a fast net connection (dorm ethernet rules) but I was happy to have all the software when I installed SuSE 6.2 on an old P75 I got my hands on that had no access to the net. Face it, SuSE 0wnz j00.
I hated the hum! of the article poster. On one hand we want Linux to reach the desktop, on the other we are reluctant to easy installation procedures. I am sorry, but this is bigotry.
Besides, why complain since Yast2 comes along with yast1 (yes, text mode, full of features installation software) ? Yast2 was written for those that don't know exactly what Linux is, who don't know what hardware is inside their machines and so on. Or for those that like inserting the cd, writing a few lines and going to smoke a cigarette while the system is installing.
Of course, an experienced user won't use this tool (although I can tell it does look cute) because it doesn't offer you the complete control over the installation.
As for myself, I would have liked to see the KDE 2 with the new release of Suse. I know, it won't probably be included until 6.6 - but still, one can hope, can't he ? Right now it's only a simple update of 6.3 (great distribution!). So, if you have enough bandwidth I think it's worth downloading (or even better take advantage of the update from ftp site feature).
Wish (read it especially if you work for VA) : please mirror the distribution on your site sooner. ftp.suse.com works only at 50k/s which is a real pain when downloading 6 cd's .
They should skip the box and manuals and instead just stuff that ugly little green lizard with a DVD version of SuSE.
It probably wouldn't cost more than a box and manual if they made the lizard in some eastern sweatshop and if they changed lizards for each new version people would start to have real reasons to upgrade.
They would also have the edge against redhat. Who wouldn't choose the little cuddly toy vs the stupid looking red hat. There is also no point in making variants of red hats. A red hat is just a red hat but people would actually start collecting the variants of the green lizards if they were cute enough.
In other words, SuSE may not be just for Europeans any more. There are some distinct reasons that I like it:
- Flexibility
- A unified installation/administration tool
- KDE rather than GNOME (I prefer it)
- Less expensive (at least here)
- More packages
So -- SuSE is potentially aiming to take that market domination. It might just teach Red Hat that they're NOT the only game in town, even in the US, anymore."I may disagree vehemently with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
"On that train all graphite and glitter, undersea by rail. Ninety minutes from New York to Paris..." -Donald Fagen, IGY