I would like to see copyright terms rolled back to what it was originally before it was extended so many times, and also for copyright to expire immediately when the work is no longer being published or being made accessible at the similar cost it was originally offered at. The copyright could be reinstated if the work is offered again by its author for a similar price as it was originally offered.
That seems like double jeopardy. What happens to derivative works made between when the original entered public domain and when it gets reinstated? What of derivatives of derivatives?
I don't mind the next version of something being copyrighted after the original enters public domain, but not re-closing an open piece of work.
When we switched to Google Apps (from a horrendously configured sendmail), most people were stuck wanting to use outlook express. Let me say that again a bit louder in case it's unbelievable; OUTLOOK EXPRESS!
Now, most people have switched to the browser interface and/or Thunderbird. Those who haven't are either the newbies or... the PHBs...
As unfashionable as they may be today, there was the Ba'ath party of Saddam Hussein fame.
Also, the various Socialist/Communist Internationals could be considered too: First International, Second International, Comintern and some other not-so-internationals too...
While not parties, the European revolutions (1848, etc) were international in character to some extent...
It's more because we in Asia (I can talk about India, at least) still have teachers who can take notice of the kid who's questioning that rote learning and guide him/her further. Unfortunately, that's being compromised too
Yes, and it's sad - but if it dramatically improves the quality of IntelliSense for native code, then I'm for it.
Me too, but using C++/CLI is difficult enough as it is, without the lack of any kind of code completion...
Speaking of IntelliSense - VC++ is still the only IDE I know of that can tell that std::vector<bool> has member function flip(), but not any other instance of std::vector template. That's 2008 by the way, not even 2010.
As others said, KDev 4 seems to do it, but CDT just chokes...
Do you mean to imply that Eclipse CDT can do code completion and other such things better that standalone VS, much less with Visual Assist? Because, at least as far as code completion goes, I didn't find it (CDT) particularly well working last time I checked. It can handle C well, and trivial C++ with no templates, and that's about it.
Well, I'd rather have trivial code completion that works every time, rather than see "Intellisense failed, look at the unhelpful help page" about 75% of the time, and spot-on completion for some corner cases. I can handle those corner cases by myself, if I have a stable autocomplete to discover basic information...
You can, but using C++/CLI that way isn't a well supported or recommended scenario since at least VS2008. Officially, it's intended for interop scenarios, and not to be used as a primary language of the project. Definitely not for UI work. Even the existing WinForms designer has a number of bugs when working with C++/CLI, that, to the best of my knowledge, were never fixed.
My point, exactly! Your choices on C++ GUI development are:
Kill your productivity with Win32API
Servings of spaghetti ala MFC
An officially-unsupported-in-this-context C++/CLI (also, it's slow as hell)
Write your GUI in C# and deal with the places where C# can't handle pointers to your objects
Use a 3rd party toolkit like Qt or Wx...
I'm genuinely interested - is it because of the price difference, or because you feel that Eclipse is a better C++ IDE overall (and if so, what things are you missing in VS compared to Eclipse?), or because you like Java over C#, or you just want to be cross-platform as much as possible - or something else?
Bit of all, actually... I feel that VS is just not worth the money, if we need to spend on VAX on top of that, and I find that generally many of the other things that Eclipse gives are far more useful than VS. For example, SCM integration is much better in Eclipse (CVS and SVN - SVN has Ankh, CVS has nothing), and like I said earlier, a stable autocompletion is better than a perfect one.
Just so I don't come across as a total MS hater, I definitely prefer C# as a language over Java - it feels much more integrated and powerful. But given all the points in favour of Eclipse, I'd rather deal with Java than with bad C++. Also, Java is more standard for writing browser applets if ever the need arises. The best that MS and VS can offer is Silverlight - no Linux client that does anything useful...
If you read the comments in that post, it looks like C++/CLI isn't supported by the new, improved intellisense.
Honestly, we took to calling it "Intellinonsense" at work, given the number of times it fails to complete; you can rate it by failures per second...
Doesn't sound "abandoned" to me.
On the language front, Visual C++ in 2010 gets a bunch of C++0x features: lambdas, type inference (auto), static_assert, rvalue references (&&), and decltype. This is quite a lot, and lambdas are especially nice since they actually let you use STL algorithms as God intended without writing tons of boilerplate code for function objects.
Then also there's Parallel Patterns Library, which provides STL-like algorithms with automatic parallelization.
Yes, the actual c++ compiler and library support has definitely improved. But there seems to be no corresponding improvement in the IDE's functionality. When Visual Assist X becomes a requirement for working with any kind of productivity, it's a rather sad situation. You've got to spend on VS, and then on VA-X for every developer, when the alternative is eclipse with mingw, giving all those above-mentioned features (aka, parts of the standard) for free, and a real usable IDE along with that!
This one is interesting. I do not know of any C++ IDE or plugin that would provide working C++ refactoring, for very simple reason - it is extremely hard to properly parse C++, taking into account all templates and template specializations, and other context-dependent things. Heck, something like a<b>c can be parsed either as expression (a < b) > c, or as a variable declaration a<b> c, depending on the context - and that context, again, includes template instantiations, which form a Turing-complete language that has to be interpreted correctly to produce matching results. I once wrote a C++ program, for fun, which had in it a piece of code as described above, which was parsed and compiled either as expression or as variable declaration depending on whether char type was signed or unsigned was for a given compiler - so you could play with compiler options and get different results. How can IDE possibly handle this?
You can say that it does it for code completion, but the truth is that a lot of it is guessing and heuristics. And there's the catch - when it guesses wrong, at worst, you get a wrong code completion list, or no list at all. But when you do a refactoring like, say, "rename class", and it fails to correctly determine that the class is referenced at some line of code, and doesn't rename it there, then your program no longer compiles...
That said, VS2010 IDE C++ parser (used for code completion and "Go to definition") is EDG-based, so it should be much more accurate - so hopefully we'll get reliable C++ refactoring eventually. Just not in this release.
Eclipse and the still-in-beta KDevelop 4.x give you at least some basic refactoring support. Eclipse has done so for a few years now...
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When you add audio editing cards, professional level video cards, raid and fiber connectivity to any box, you're going to get freakin close to 20k...
And here it is...
That seems like double jeopardy. What happens to derivative works made between when the original entered public domain and when it gets reinstated? What of derivatives of derivatives?
I don't mind the next version of something being copyrighted after the original enters public domain, but not re-closing an open piece of work.
And Internet Explorer
Oh... Wait!
Try KDE4's file dialogs with Nepomuk enabled sometime, and see how a file dialog should really be done...
When we switched to Google Apps (from a horrendously configured sendmail), most people were stuck wanting to use outlook express. Let me say that again a bit louder in case it's unbelievable; OUTLOOK EXPRESS!
Now, most people have switched to the browser interface and/or Thunderbird. Those who haven't are either the newbies or... the PHBs...
...on a work that's not copyrighted under US law?
As unfashionable as they may be today, there was the Ba'ath party of Saddam Hussein fame.
Also, the various Socialist/Communist Internationals could be considered too: First International, Second International, Comintern and some other not-so-internationals too...
While not parties, the European revolutions (1848, etc) were international in character to some extent...
And if everyone did it, it'd DDOS the system...
And just how many advanced lifeforms have you seen today?
Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here
Also, it's practically a Death Ray. We all know how much the US military likes James Bond type gadgets, gizmos and doomsday devices... ;)
It's more because we in Asia (I can talk about India, at least) still have teachers who can take notice of the kid who's questioning that rote learning and guide him/her further. Unfortunately, that's being compromised too
It exists... That's the most one can say...
Handles the + and += quite well, but chokes on function and bind... I don't have a TR1 environment (gcc 4.3.2 here), so I tried using Boost.
Yes, and it's sad - but if it dramatically improves the quality of IntelliSense for native code, then I'm for it.
Me too, but using C++/CLI is difficult enough as it is, without the lack of any kind of code completion...
Speaking of IntelliSense - VC++ is still the only IDE I know of that can tell that std::vector<bool> has member function flip(), but not any other instance of std::vector template. That's 2008 by the way, not even 2010.
As others said, KDev 4 seems to do it, but CDT just chokes...
Do you mean to imply that Eclipse CDT can do code completion and other such things better that standalone VS, much less with Visual Assist? Because, at least as far as code completion goes, I didn't find it (CDT) particularly well working last time I checked. It can handle C well, and trivial C++ with no templates, and that's about it.
Well, I'd rather have trivial code completion that works every time, rather than see "Intellisense failed, look at the unhelpful help page" about 75% of the time, and spot-on completion for some corner cases. I can handle those corner cases by myself, if I have a stable autocomplete to discover basic information...
You can, but using C++/CLI that way isn't a well supported or recommended scenario since at least VS2008. Officially, it's intended for interop scenarios, and not to be used as a primary language of the project. Definitely not for UI work. Even the existing WinForms designer has a number of bugs when working with C++/CLI, that, to the best of my knowledge, were never fixed.
My point, exactly! Your choices on C++ GUI development are:
I'm genuinely interested - is it because of the price difference, or because you feel that Eclipse is a better C++ IDE overall (and if so, what things are you missing in VS compared to Eclipse?), or because you like Java over C#, or you just want to be cross-platform as much as possible - or something else?
Bit of all, actually... I feel that VS is just not worth the money, if we need to spend on VAX on top of that, and I find that generally many of the other things that Eclipse gives are far more useful than VS. For example, SCM integration is much better in Eclipse (CVS and SVN - SVN has Ankh, CVS has nothing), and like I said earlier, a stable autocompletion is better than a perfect one.
Just so I don't come across as a total MS hater, I definitely prefer C# as a language over Java - it feels much more integrated and powerful. But given all the points in favour of Eclipse, I'd rather deal with Java than with bad C++. Also, Java is more standard for writing browser applets if ever the need arises. The best that MS and VS can offer is Silverlight - no Linux client that does anything useful...
I believe you're talking about Diffraction...
And it is getting significantly improved code completion, and on-the-fly error checking in 2010.
If you read the comments in that post, it looks like C++/CLI isn't supported by the new, improved intellisense.
Honestly, we took to calling it "Intellinonsense" at work, given the number of times it fails to complete; you can rate it by failures per second...
Doesn't sound "abandoned" to me.
On the language front, Visual C++ in 2010 gets a bunch of C++0x features: lambdas, type inference (auto), static_assert , rvalue references (&&), and decltype. This is quite a lot, and lambdas are especially nice since they actually let you use STL algorithms as God intended without writing tons of boilerplate code for function objects.
Then also there's Parallel Patterns Library, which provides STL-like algorithms with automatic parallelization.
Yes, the actual c++ compiler and library support has definitely improved. But there seems to be no corresponding improvement in the IDE's functionality. When Visual Assist X becomes a requirement for working with any kind of productivity, it's a rather sad situation. You've got to spend on VS, and then on VA-X for every developer, when the alternative is eclipse with mingw, giving all those above-mentioned features (aka, parts of the standard) for free, and a real usable IDE along with that!
This one is interesting. I do not know of any C++ IDE or plugin that would provide working C++ refactoring, for very simple reason - it is extremely hard to properly parse C++, taking into account all templates and template specializations, and other context-dependent things. Heck, something like a<b>c can be parsed either as expression (a < b) > c, or as a variable declaration a<b> c, depending on the context - and that context, again, includes template instantiations, which form a Turing-complete language that has to be interpreted correctly to produce matching results. I once wrote a C++ program, for fun, which had in it a piece of code as described above, which was parsed and compiled either as expression or as variable declaration depending on whether char type was signed or unsigned was for a given compiler - so you could play with compiler options and get different results. How can IDE possibly handle this?
You can say that it does it for code completion, but the truth is that a lot of it is guessing and heuristics. And there's the catch - when it guesses wrong, at worst, you get a wrong code completion list, or no list at all. But when you do a refactoring like, say, "rename class", and it fails to correctly determine that the class is referenced at some line of code, and doesn't rename it there, then your program no longer compiles...
That said, VS2010 IDE C++ parser (used for code completion and "Go to definition") is EDG-based, so it should be much more accurate - so hopefully we'll get reliable C++ refactoring eventually. Just not in this release.
Eclipse and the still-in-beta KDevelop 4.x give you at least some basic refactoring support. Eclipse has done so for a few years now...
I agree with that, but there are many good thir
Well, we all do, except the double-dealing backstabbers in our midst (aka, the CPI and CPI(M))...
When was Amarok ever the official KDE media player? It's always been in extragear, not kdemultimedia.
In other words, make patterns out of economic noise...
Who said that these are the artists talking?
You seem to forget that this is in the UK, jackass!
You didn't understand that. Nobody can understand that. Your brain is protecting you from insanity by deluding itself that it understands.
WoW - A virtual landscape with no other players, just lots of rats (this already applies to 2nd life).
So, the same as it is now, eh?
It would still be right to say that they're caused by greed-fueled optimism, and that bad math is one of the causes for it.
Remove the math and its related jargon, and maybe some people (at least) would think twice, rather than take the word of some "expert" with numbers.