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Zero Gravity Flights for the Rest of Us

waynegoode writes "Zero G Corporation, whose motto is "Question Gravity", is now offering zero gravity flights to the general public. For $3000 you get training and a 90 minute ride with 15 periods of 25 seconds of low or zero-gravity: 3 1/3 Mars gravity, 3 1/6 Lunar gravity, and 9 zero gravity. Peter Diamandis, the man behind the Ansari X Prize, worked 11 years to get FAA approval. Previously, such flights were available only to astronauts, researchers, and Tom Hanks; although recently flights for the public began Russia for about twice the price. Story also here."

332 comments

  1. And I thought... by Nos. · · Score: 5, Funny

    The porn industry would do it first!
    Come to think about it, maybe they'll start using this as well, though 25 seconds isn't very long.

    1. Re:And I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're professionals, a little "prep" work and then they'd shoot the 25 second shot. Production crews would need more people in the clean up crew.

    2. Re:And I thought... by mbrother · · Score: 1

      This is off-topic? I mean, after reading the suggestion, I figure that might indeed be an immediate "application." And these business people trying to put together space hotels might need to do research to help sell their product.

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    3. Re:And I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Errrr, actually... they've already been there and done that:-
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310288/
      (see the trivia section)

      There's a review here:-
      http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=33 52

    4. Re:And I thought... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, they do get 15 periods of 25 second zero Gs, and that should give plenty of screen time for the "money shot". It's about 6 minutes or so, and with multiple cameras, they could log a lot of footage. Besides, the price is quite low for a commercial production. Most of the rest could be done on a sound stage someplace...

      I do think, however, they might want to charge an extra "clean up" premium on porn shoots...

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    5. Re:And I thought... by Eneff · · Score: 1

      Augh - mod parent back up.

      Because it *has* been done already.

      Or at least, I remember something about it. The soundtrack was written by the Prodigy and it cost nearly a million dollars to make... I just wish I could remember the source...

      - at work, and not a connoseur of heterosexual pornography.

    6. Re:And I thought... by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      that's $3000 per person...at least two people in the scene, at least one camera operator, and a director. That's minimum $12,000 for six minutes of footage, plus wages and film. Plus clean up. And yes, I do believe we're putting WAY too much thought into zero G pr0n...

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    7. Re:And I thought... by beeglebug · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They did, it was called The Uranus Experiment, and they filmed the money shots on the original vomit comet, AFAIK.

    8. Re:And I thought... by smeenz · · Score: 1

      They don't call it the Vomit Comet for nothing.. I'ld imagine that a clean-up was quite a regular occurance, without a porno being required at all.

    9. Re:And I thought... by override11 · · Score: 1

      Cmon, Zero G man, as soon as you push forward, you rocket back with whatever force you pushed with! You would have to wrap em both in rubber banding. ;)

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    10. Re:And I thought... by Fjornir · · Score: 1

      Been done. The Uranus Experiment 2. No link right now, I'm at work.

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    11. Re:And I thought... by JeffFurry · · Score: 1

      The porn industry did do it first. See Xeni Jardain's series on boingboing.net, particularly http://www.boingboing.net/2004/09/14/_xeni_flies_z ero_g_7.html

    12. Re:And I thought... by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      Isn't there a vomit-fetish porno niche anyway?

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    13. Re:And I thought... by dr_erick · · Score: 1

      the porn industry did do it first, the film "the uranus experiment" feature's a zero/low G male orgasm.

    14. Re:And I thought... by Barryke · · Score: 1
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    15. Re:And I thought... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      Actually, a visit to the ISS might be the way to go. The Russians will take anyone up there these days.

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    16. Re:And I thought... by drkich · · Score: 1
      ...though 25 seconds isn't very long.
      That entirely depends on the person. I only need half that time.
    17. Re:And I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you're holding on.

    18. Re:And I thought... by smithmc · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do think, however, they might want to charge an extra "clean up" premium on porn shoots...

      This is the porn industry we're talking about here - they could afford to buy their own damn plane. Pad all the walls with foam rubber upholstered in pink velvet, put in '70s colored lighting, and have "bow-chicka-bow-bow" in 3D surround... Hell, I'm surprised the porn industry doesn't have their own space station already.

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    19. Re:And I thought... by Electrum · · Score: 1

      Not a connoseur of *heterosexual* pornography? What other kind is there? Fag stuff?

      Single girl, lesbian, etc.

    20. Re:And I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if the plane is painted as a flying pha11us. They can do it, check out what they did for Miss Europe.

    21. Re:And I thought... by KapnShak · · Score: 1

      My only hitch in believing this is that I seriously doubt NASA would allow itself to be involved in any way with a porn shoot. And that they would lend/rent out a useful, widely known scientific platform for that purpose.

    22. Re:And I thought... by Sindri · · Score: 1

      Barbarella Queen of the Galaxy has a scene with Jane Fonda stripping in zero gravity.

    23. Re:And I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...though 25 seconds isn't very long.
      That entirely depends on the person. I only need half that time.


      ...from flacid!

  2. *Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 0

    That should read "Free-Fall Flights for the Rest of Us". Zero Gravity has a very different meaning, and hasn't been an acceptable substitute for "free-fall" in 20+ years.

    Case in point: when I first saw the headline, I thought that some nut was offering rides on an antigravity space ship.

    Of course, one should question a company who's name is "Zero G" and offers "Zero Gravity flights". If they really do such a thing, they should know better than I that the term is actually "free-fall".

    In case anyone's interested, skydiving is a cheaper way of obtaining a similar experience. The primary difference with skydiving is the lack of walls.

    1. Re:*Ahem* by 0WaitState · · Score: 4, Funny

      In case anyone's interested, skydiving is a cheaper way of obtaining a similar experience. The primary difference with skydiving is the lack of walls.

      That and the big flat thing rushing towards you at ~140 mph.

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    2. Re:*Ahem* by nebaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All orbit is is free fall with enough horizontal velocity to match. Orbit simply is fast free fall. Zero-g exists in orbit. How is this different?

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    3. Re:*Ahem* by Joe5678 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In case anyone's interested, skydiving is a cheaper way of obtaining a similar experience. The primary difference with skydiving is the lack of walls.


      I would say the primary difference with skydiving is the wind... which you would not experience if you were inside a box/plane.

    4. Re:*Ahem* by boeman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually this would be quite a different experience than skydiving due to atmospheric drag felt during a dive. Inside the plane all of the air is moving along with you and so there are no drag effects.

    5. Re:*Ahem* by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      And without terminal velocity wind!

      Sheesh. BIG difference here, fellas.

    6. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if it will want to be friends with me?

      Now excuse while I go clean whale bits out of my hair.

    7. Re:*Ahem* by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 2, Insightful

      skydiving is a cheaper way of obtaining a similar experience. The primary difference with skydiving is the lack of walls.

      What about the wind?
      Tried neither, but seems that sould be very different..

    8. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't even have to pay $100 for a skydive - $30 will get you into an amusement park.

    9. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I would say the primary difference with skydiving is the wind... which you would not experience if you were inside a box/plane.

      As I said. The primary difference is walls/no walls. Not that difficult to extrapolate from that.

    10. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      describe an experiment to me that would distinguish between free-fall and zero G (experiment inside the plane).

      (also, ignore tidal effects due to non-uniform g).

    11. Re:*Ahem* by tgd · · Score: 1

      And what, precisely, do you think happens in the space shuttle, space station or any other spacecraft?

    12. Re:*Ahem* by stripe · · Score: 1

      This would the equivalent of paying $3000 for a flight on NASA's "vomit comet".

    13. Re:*Ahem* by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Goddamn, who rated this informative?

      1) "anti-gravity space ship", what kind of rubbish is that?

      2) Actually according to relativity, there is no way of distguishing between acceleration and gravity. Therefore if I put you in a sealed box and either a) leave you floating in deep space or b) put you in free fall then there is no way of you telling the difference (ok, there is as there will be slight air resistance slowing you down, and you could measure the very tiny difference in gravity between the top and bottom of the box, etc.).

      There is always "c) you hit the ground" too of course :)

      but seriously, this really is zero-G for all intents and purposes foras long as they can accalerate you downwards at 9.8m/s

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    14. Re:*Ahem* by cjh79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, try to remember (I know this is hard sometimes) that this company is trying to make money. I'm sure they understand the physics of their airplane rides, but to the general public "Zero Gravity" sounds a lot more exotic and exciting than "Free Falling." You can't blame them for trying to market their product.

    15. Re:*Ahem* by hedge_death_shootout · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That should read "Free-Fall Flights for the Rest of Us". Zero Gravity has a very different meaning, and hasn't been an acceptable substitute for "free-fall" in 20+ years.

      Bah. This is pedantry. (on slashdot!?)

      Astronauts floating in the space shuttle are experiencing 'free fall' rather than 'zero gravity'. But not many people would quibble with using the term 'zero gravity' in that instance.
      The zero G experienced on this plane is the same zero G experienced by astronauts in orbiting vehicles.

      And skydiving isnt very similar at all - you'll reach terminal velocity quickly and will 'feel' the force of gravity thereafter. Not to mention it's a lot windier. Skydiving on the moon on the other hand... just dont come crying to me when your parachute doesnt work.

    16. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have skydived but I have not been on the vomit comet however I can tell you from watching the tapes of it and my experience with skydiving, these are nothing alike. In freefall you use the aerodynamics of your body to make turns, fall faster/slower, turn loops etc. In the vomit comet this is untrue, once you leave a surface thats the trajectory you are on.

    17. Re:*Ahem* by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, here's the thing. In my pilot training training I was taught that a "G" is a unit measuring the force of gravity that you feel. At 1G, I feel like I would normally walking down the street or sitting down with my 230lb body. At 2g, I would feel twice the weight, etc. In Aerobatic flight I experienced a sustained 4.5 G's and it really did feel like I weighed over 1,000lbs (I actually felt like my teeth were getting pushed into my jaw)! Zero G then, is when it feels like you are floating, and is pretty fun to do in a small airplane. Add power, pull up, and then as you push the nose over, you and everyone else in the airplane floats. There's no wind pushing against you and it does not feel like you are falling, it feels like you have no weight, ie 0G! So in that sense, though it might technically be inaccurate, I think the description is apt.

      I've never gone skydiving before, but I have always imagined that it feels an awful lot like falling- something which I have done. I can tell you that the feeling of weightlessness is very different from the sensation of falling. Maybe falling for quite a while makes all the difference but somehow I just don't see that it would.

      Finally, if you have that $3k to spend, why not invest it in a Private Pilot Certificate so you can go out and experience it for yourself whenever you have the hankering?

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    18. Re:*Ahem* by dykofone · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I've kinda wondered how that lack of wind works when doing the free-fall runs in airplanes. When skydiving, you hit terminal velocity when the downwards acceleration force of gravity equals the upwards force of wind, and you start travelling at a constant velocity relative to eath.

      But when you're in an airplane that's in a dive, the airplane is going to reach terminal velocity and stop accelerating much sooner than you are while inside the plane. In other words, relative to earth, both plane and person are getting the same acceleration force from gravity. But the plane is getting a much greater upwards drag force from all the wind.

      So wouldn't the person in the plane start travelling faster than the airplane, since the airplane is shielding the person from the effects of wind?

      Or maybe I need to take physics again...

    19. Re:*Ahem* by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 1

      Zero-G does not exist in orbit (or anywhere for that matter). You will hear two terms used, "free fall" as mentioned several times, or "micro-gravity". Every object in the universe is exerting some amount of pull on every other object.

    20. Re:*Ahem* by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's still just the walls being the only difference. The big flat thing is still rushing towards you at ~140 mph, but you can't see it. (Thank you, walls!)

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    21. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 0, Redundant

      This is correct. "Zero G" is an acceptable substitute for "Zero G-Forces". However, "Zero Gravity" still has a different meaning, and is NOT an acceptable substitute for "free-fall", "microgravity", or "weightlessness".

      As usual, Wikipedia has a bit more info.

    22. Re:*Ahem* by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
      That and the big flat thing rushing towards you at ~140 mph.

      Don't worry about that. No matter what happens, NASA technicians will most likely be able to recover some useful mission data.

    23. Re:*Ahem* by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 1

      Another difference would be the overall perception.
      Skydiving you see the world rushing up at you. Your brain generates the "I'm falling" sensation because of the stimuli.

      In the plane your brain gets different information. There's no obvious tell-tale signs of falling. Instead the brain sees the walls of the plane. Without the other signs of falling, the brain conclude "I'm floating".

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    24. Re:*Ahem* by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sure you'll call me a heretic, but I'd have to say it's a big *spherical* thing rushing towards you at ~140 mph.

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    25. Re:*Ahem* by G.+W.+Bush+Junior · · Score: 1

      Einstein lived in vain apparently.
      One of his points is that there is NO physical experiment that will distinguish the effect of a gravity-field and constant acceleration if you are locked in a box with no windows.
      The constant acceleration being the free fall in this case.

      So if there are no windows in the plane, there is no way to tell if they've invented some advanced anti-gravity machine and are using it on you, or if the plane is just falling...
      If theres no way to tell the difference I don't really care what they do.

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    26. Re:*Ahem* by -Surak- · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The plane has ENGINES. It can exceed terminal velocity in a dive.

    27. Re:*Ahem* by scaaven · · Score: 1

      yeah, after ~25 seconds

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    28. Re:*Ahem* by david.given · · Score: 2, Interesting
      All orbit is is free fall with enough horizontal velocity to match. Orbit simply is fast free fall. Zero-g exists in orbit. How is this different?

      Zero-gee is when you're in completely flat space. You're not accelerating due to gravity, because there isn't any.

      Free fall is when you're in bent space, and are accelerating due to gravity. The space station is falling at one gee; but it's falling sideways, and everything in it is falling at roughly the same speed, so there's very little relative acceleration between the objects on board.

      Both these terms are so badly abused that microgravity tends to be used these days instead. Which is a shame, because it's just as confusing. Free fall is a much more accurate description of what's going on.

      (BTW, skydivers aren't, technically, in free fall. They're falling freely, sure, but once they reach terminal velocity they're not accelerating any more.)

    29. Re:*Ahem* by ReadParse · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well, I guess they should have said called it "an illusion of zero gravity, relative to the motion of the aircraft" -- which is what it really is. Sure, it's not truly zero gravity, but it's also very, very different from skydiving.

      I would say that skydiving doesn't even provide a similar experience, since the key to "experience" is what your body feels like it's doing, rather than what it's actually doing. This is skydiving without seeing the ground rushing towards you and without all the wind -- which makes it VERY different.

      RP

    30. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... technically speaking, orbit is also "free-fall", but you don't hear any complaints about calling it "Zero G". (Actually, I think they call it a "micro-gravity" environment - but that's another topic).

      How is orbit free-fall? When you reach a certain velocity relative to the surface of the planet (and I believe this is 17,500 mph), then forward motion compensates exactly for the gravity attracting you to the planet, such that you are always falling in a circle around the planet.

      For further explanation, see Richard Feynman's book, Six Easy Pieces: Essentials of Physics Explained.

    31. Re:*Ahem* by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Maybe?

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    32. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See also:

      http://physics.ucsd.edu/~cdpgrad/shuttle.html

      "While the shuttle is in orbit, astronauts, and everything else in it, are weightless. This is not because the shuttle is "away from Earth's gravity"--on the contrary, the shuttle is in orbit because of Earth's gravity. Astronauts are weightless because they (and the shuttle) are continually "falling" toward Earth."

      A google search for 17,500 does the trick...

    33. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 0

      Goddamn, who rated this informative?

      1) Anti-gravity, aka gravity shielding, aka Zero Gravity, is the theoretical process whereby the effects of gravity are nullified.

      2) Actually, you don't eliminate the gravity in this case. You are simply falling just as fast as your plane, thus are capable of changing your trajectory by *stealing energy from the plane*. Both you and the plane are still feeling the effects of Earth's gravity. And placing you somewhere in the middle of space is still "free-fall" or "microgravity". It's not "Zero Gravity".

      There is always "c) Zero G-Forces" which describes the situation of feeling near zero G-Forces applied.

      Seriously, this is really Zero-G (short for Zero G-Forces), but NOT Zero Gravity.

    34. Re:*Ahem* by smiths2 · · Score: 1

      Zero-g exists in orbit? Then what's holding the moon in orbit? A long invisible string? Oh, yeah, that little force called GRAVITY. I believe the term you are looking for is "weightlessness." That would be a more correct word, IMO.

      BTW, the Earth's gravitational force 250 miles up is between 80% and 90% what it is on the surface. Then, there's the gravitational effect of the Moon, the Sun, and the other planets. That last one is pretty darn negligible so near the Earth, but not ZERO.

    35. Re:*Ahem* by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or just go to Carowinds and ride the Drop Zone ride, which drops 16 stories, straight down.

      Total cost = $33 admission

      Keep the other $2,967 in your pocket.

    36. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Well... technically speaking, orbit is also "free-fall"

      Err... that's actually my point.

      but you don't hear any complaints about calling it "Zero G".

      You do and you don't. "Zero-G" (as in Zero G-Forces) is ok, "microgravity" is ok, "weightlessness" is ok, and "free-fall" is ok. "Zero Gravity" is NOT an ok term, because it refers to an object experiencing zero interaction with gravitational fields.

    37. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!!!
      (stupid 20 second timer...now the moment is gone)

    38. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 0, Troll

      Typical. Jokes about Pornography get modded up, while trolls come around and mod down REAL INFORMATION to practically nothing.

      Am I the only one who finds this idiocy disgusting? I don't even mind having my post modded down, but to mod up something so tasteless as porn in it's place? Bah.

    39. Re:*Ahem* by Performer+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have a profoundly flawed understanding of physics. The only difference falling in a plane and falling in an orbiting spacecraft is the air friction. The orbiting spacecraft misses the Earth thanks to it's velocity. The aircraft in this case counterracts the forces on air friction *nothing else*. So you're as weightless as you would be in space, and in fact it is *exactly* like an orbit in a physical sense when you're inside the plane.

    40. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps people are confused, since the "wall" beneath my feet is generally called a "floor" and the "wall" over my head is generally called a "ceiling".

    41. Re:*Ahem* by Merk · · Score: 1

      I really doubt that. I've been on a plane when there's heavy turbulence and I felt like I was falling for about a second. Your body doesn't distinguish between "falling" and "floating". Eventually your brain can convince your body that it's not falling, but it sure isn't an instantaneous thing.

    42. Re:*Ahem* by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      You can also experience this sensation--briefly--by climbing aboard one of those 'Detonator' rides they have at amusement parks. (They also have one atop a tall building in Las Vegas, I believe.)

      Basically you're sitting facing outward in a ring of seats, which is fired (pneumatically) up a 5/6-story arm. You rise until gravity stops you, at which moment you float out of your seat for about a second, and then fall back down (caught gently by air cushioning in the arm).

      Great fun .. almost made me sick, but I'd do it again.

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    43. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Orbit in "space" or even floating in deep-space is still "free-fall".

      The only difference is that relativity says that you have no way of determining if you're falling toward the planet/star/guy next to you, or if it's falling toward you.

    44. Re:*Ahem* by Fjornir · · Score: 1
      I've never gone skydiving before, but I have always imagined that it feels an awful lot like falling...

      Only if you jump from a stationary object such as a balloon or a hovering helicoptor. If you jump from a plane there's really no percievable sensation of falling, it's a lot more like flying. Imagine standing the in back of a truck as it goes down the highway -- feel the wind. Now remove the truck. :)

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    45. Re:*Ahem* by legirons · · Score: 1

      "Zero-g exists in orbit. How is this different?"

      Zero-g doesn't exist anywhere in our universe -- you've always got graviational pull towards everything else in the universe.

      Especially in orbit (hint: gravity is quite a useful feature if you want to orbit something)

    46. Re:*Ahem* by sucati · · Score: 1

      we are always feeling the force of gravity, right? the only difference with sky diving is an equal and opposite force at terminal velocity.

    47. Re:*Ahem* by Araneas · · Score: 1

      If you are going, I have this cat and a small vial I'd like you to take along....

    48. Re:*Ahem* by gilmour14 · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been skydiving? Its nothing like any ride at an amusement park.

    49. Re:*Ahem* by pclminion · · Score: 1

      The plane has engines and can overcome the air resistance. It is not "free falling," it is actively maneuvering so as to maintain the parabolic path.

    50. Re:*Ahem* by Joe5678 · · Score: 1

      That's fair. "No walls" is the primary difference between the two.

      I guess what I was going for was that the lack of wind creates a larger impact on experience than lack of walls itself... at least in my opinion.

      But I did not word that opinion correctly in my first message.

    51. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say the primary difference with skydiving is the wind...

      I can think of worse problems than wind afflicting me if I tried either of these....

    52. Re:*Ahem* by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      dude, it's porn!

    53. Re:*Ahem* by DarkSarin · · Score: 1

      heretic!!

      burn him!!

      actually, from the perspective of the sky-diver, it makes little difference. The shape of the object that you go splat against will have little impact (errr) on the results if your chute doesn't open!

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    54. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Actually according to relativity, there is no way of distguishing between acceleration and gravity.

      well, not quite. according to relativity: because you cannot tell, the two are equivalent. if no experiment can distinguish, then the physics musn't distinguish either. Gen Rel is perhaps the best example of Occam's razor imaginable.

      a pedantic point, but you have to be careful, as the OP has demonstrated over and over again, the principle of equivalence is easy to misunderstand (although repeating the mistake over and over takes a peculiar kind of mental make up).

    55. Re:*Ahem* by Performer+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes, so is falling in an parabolic arc inside a plane deep in Earth's gravity well.

    56. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, now you've been modded correctly as troll.

      it's ok to have little understanding of physics. but to parade your ignorance endlessly means you are nothing but a troll. bye

    57. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      So what's your point? You seem to be agreeing with me that the term "Zero Gravity" is incorrect, and "free-fall" is what it should be called. Not sure how that displays a "flawed understanding of physics".

    58. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      it's ok to have little understanding of physics. but to parade your ignorance endlessly means you are nothing but a troll. bye

      * AKAImBatman shakes his head

      Amazing, simply amazing. People around here would apparently prefer to believe in nonsense like "Zero Gravity" and the "Tooth Fairy" instead of being helpfully informed of correct terminology and reasons behind it.

      Then again, this is Slashdot. God forbid that the residents want to learn and think.

    59. Re:*Ahem* by renoX · · Score: 1

      >What about the wind?

      Well if you're getting out of either an helicopter or a small plane going not very fast, the wind is quite small during the first seconds of the freefall: so I suppose that 0g is very much similar to these first seconds.

      It don't last long, but it still last much more than during a jump on the ground..

      For skydivers, this is a quite rare situation as quite often we're getting out of plane going quite fast and when it happens, it is always a bit weird having little 'air grip': moving so slow in the air that you can not really use the air to move your body as you want.

    60. Re:*Ahem* by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      Actually a big pear shaped thing, slightly moving
      towards you, and you rushing towards it.

      bj

    61. Re:*Ahem* by Suicyco · · Score: 1

      Actually you only get free fall in sky diving for a very short period of time. Once you reach terminal velocity, you feel gravity again as you have air providing resistance. If you continued to accellerate towards the earth, than you would experience free fall for a longer period of time, but would reach insane speeds.

    62. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go read a book on introduction to general relativity.

      I don't come to slashdot to learn physics, I have a PhD in theoretical physics already.

      I'm sorry if you're sincere, but you're too dogmatic and defensive to admit you don't have a clue what you're talking about. or you're a troll.

    63. Re:*Ahem* by dmanny · · Score: 1
      Great HHG reference.

      If the GP will please go to the nearest LaGrange point and then I would willing listen to its pedantic objections about zero-G.

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    64. Re:*Ahem* by renoX · · Score: 1

      > slight air resistance

      OK at the beginning it is small, but once you've reached terminal velocity, you're skydiving quite fast and this 'slight air resistance' is for you a very strong wind!!

    65. Re:*Ahem* by Performer+Guy · · Score: 1

      Your original post was incorrect, skydiving is not actually freefall, infact it is nothing like it. Although it is often called that, the force of air constantly acts on the participant. Other people correctly described why it is acceptable to call this zero-G and gave descriptions of why that have been generally accepted as a description of the phenomenon and you foolishly tried to correct them. Your subsequent posts attempted to correct physically accurate descriptions because they use commonly accepted terms for this like zero gravity (and micro gravity), are misguided. This is zero gravity in the frame of reference of the aircraft.

    66. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      A PhD you say? Putting aside the standard joke of "all my friends have PhD's too", would you like to explain how falling toward the Earth == zero gravity? Here's a hint: it doesn't. What relativity DOES tell us is this:

      It is impossible to tell if the observer is falling toward the planet, or the planet is falling toward the observer.

      That's it. The Earth's gravity still has a measurable influence on any object *EXCEPT* one which completely cancels out the Earth's gravitational forces by way of competing acceleration. And even if you did cancel out the Earth's gravity, you'd still have the Sun, the Moon, Jupiter, and every other particle in the universe to deal with.

      The term I believe you're thinking of is not "Zero Gravity", but rather "microgravity" or "Zero G-Forces". i.e. You and the Earth are attracting each other, but you don't feel the inertial difference.

    67. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go here

      http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmolog y/ equivalence.html

      hit next a few times, and please shut up. I hate to see physics so abused.

    68. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      skydiving is not actually freefall, infact it is nothing like it.

      Actually, I stated that it was a "similar" experience. I intended that for those who wished to experience the sensation of falling without paying $3000.

      Other people correctly described why it is acceptable to call this zero-G and gave descriptions of why that have been generally accepted as a description of the phenomenon and you foolishly tried to correct them.

      You're confusing terms again. Zero-G is a term for "Zero G-Forces". That's not the same thing as "Zero Gravity", which is an absence of gravitation forces acting upon an object.

      Your subsequent posts attempted to correct physically accurate descriptions because they use commonly accepted terms for this like zero gravity (and micro gravity)

      1. I only ever argued with the term "Zero Gravity". Note that every time an astronaut is interviewed about "What it's like to be in zero gravity", he always starts by saying "these days we like to call it microgravity or free-fall".

      2. You are never in Zero Gravity, because there are always gravitational forces from other objects in the universe acting upon you. One can counteract Earth's gravity directly, then be in an observable position to state that the Earth is exerting zero gravity upon them. However, one can still observe gravity from other objects in the Universe, unless steps are taken to counteract these gravitational fields as well.

      This is zero gravity in the frame of reference of the aircraft.

      This is "micro-gravity" in the frame of the aircraft. And if you look through a window, you'll easily find that you're actually in a "Free-fall" frame of reference. i.e. You and the planet are getting closer together. Because all frames of reference are equally valid, we don't know who's falling toward who, but we can observe that the two bodies are getting closer.

    69. Re:*Ahem* by hedge_death_shootout · · Score: 1

      Skydiving's the same as standing on the ground in that regard (gravity + an equal and opposite force).
      Due to the density of the ground, the terminal velocity is normally zero metres per second. ;-)

    70. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they were using a real anti-gravity machine, you'd be able to hear the insistent throbbing/twittering sound from the anti-graviton-flux transformers.

    71. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Oh for crying out loud.

      Ok, so from a spacecraft, we can observe the Earth getting closer. As we continue observing, we note that the distance between us and the Earth is decreasing at a greater and greater rate. i.e. We are accelerating toward each other. Yet we feel no G-forces because our entire craft is accelerating at a near uniform rate.

      Is it your contention that we are NOT able to observe gravitational effects in this situation, despite getting closer to the Earth?

      Experiment number two: We are in a craft in orbit. we find that a blue marble below is turning. We thrust forward for a few moments and check our trajectory. Oddly enough, we find that we appear to get closer to the marble at certain periods of time. I feel no inertia, and thus am weightless inside my spacecraft.

      Certainly, it's difficult to know who's orbiting whp, but is it your contention that the elliptic orbit that can be calculated from the observations is an illusion?

      Never mind. I give up. Go on saying "Zero Gravity". What the hell do I care? I was only trying to educate a few people.

    72. Re:*Ahem* by Performer+Guy · · Score: 1

      Sigh, skydiving is ***NOTHING*** like freefall. Go lie on a really soft mattress and close your eyes, then imagine lots of wind rush noise, then imaging a spectacular view from 13000 feet, that's skydiving. You have 1 G acting on you at all times (a bit less at the start but never zero G). The *only* thing that differentiates skydiving from lying on a soft bed is the frame of reference of falling from 13000 feet and that's the one thing thing that is denied you on the aircraft. Infact it is fair to say that this aircraft ride is almost the exact opposite of skydiving.

      Zero-G is a commonly accepted term. Moreover in the frame of reference of the zero-G you *cannot tell the difference*. If I'm in orbit, I'm subject to the pull of the Earth, The gravity constantly pulls but there's no way to tell in the frame of reference of the spaceship. Yes microgravity refers to miniscule local gravitational effects everyone knows this but what you should take from this is that if NASA weren't so pedantic thay'd call the micro-gravity missions zero-gravity missions.

      Yes in the aircraft you can look out the window, same on the spaceship, the aircraft has no windows so the frame of reference of the aircraft is maintained. i.e. you are in zero gravity environment.

      Your attempt to imply that there's some gravitational flux that should be considered is physical nonsense. The frame of reference counts. (no I don't want to hear about miniscule effects like tidal forces.)

    73. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why did you get all that from? I just gave you a link!

      here's one you'll like:

      http://www.pa.uky.edu/~cvj/as500_lec6/as500_lec6 .h tml

      you'll love it because it says "This is of course familiar from the pictures of astronauts floating around in orbit. It is not that the force of gravity is zero there, but simply that they are moving freely under the influence of gravity"

      hehe. please, just please don't use that as justification of what you've been arguing. please, I beg you, don't try to do that.

    74. Re:*Ahem* by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Zero-G is a commonly accepted term.

      That's because Zero-G is NOT Zero Gravity. Why is that so hard to understand?

      http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~cdhall/Space/archives/00074 1.html
      http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy994 67.htm
      http://www.astrodigital.org/space/zgr.html

      Sigh, skydiving is ***NOTHING*** like freefall

      If you say so. Honestly, you do get complete free fall up until terminal velocity is reached. Not necessarily as long as this ride, but it definitely happens. Same thing with amusement park drop towers. Terminal velocity usually isn't reached by the time they begin the braking procedure.

    75. Re:*Ahem* by jaoswald · · Score: 1

      Einstein's Theory of *General* Relativity includes the Principle of Equivalence, namely,

      There is no physical way of distinguishing between a UNIFORM gravitational field from a UNIFORM linear acceleration.

      Since there is no way to distinguish between the gravitational field being uniformly *zero* and a uniform acceleration of *zero*, there is no distinguishable difference between your "Zero G Force" (F=ma ---> F=0 a = 0) and "Zero Gravity" (F = 0 because Gmm/r^2 = 0).

      Now, the nit to pick that leads to the term "microgravity" is that the gravitational field in Earth orbit is not uniform over a finite region; there are (minute) tidal effects, anisotropies, spacecraft vibration, drag at low earth orbit, etc., all of which are, in principle, detectable, and some of which could not be produced except by a non-uniform gravitational field, although determining that might be beyond a particular experimental error.

      Note, in passing, that NASA uses the "Zero Gravity" term to describe it's Earth-based drop facilities.

    76. Re:*Ahem* by grozzie2 · · Score: 1
      In case anyone's interested, skydiving is a cheaper way of obtaining a similar experience.

      There is NO comparison between skydiving and true freefall experienced in parabolic flight. While skydiving, you get this 'minor' force of air resistance, and if you think it's really minor, explain why it's such a big deal when 140 mph winds hit shore in a hurricane, those are the winds you experience while skydiving. In parabolic arcs, you are sheltered from the air resistance within the confines of the aircraft cabin, the local air mass is traversing the same trajectory, so it's not providing you with air resistance.

      I've done both, and the closest you are going to get to true freefall without use of an aircraft, is scuba diving. Get your bouyancy properly neutral, get rid of your fins, and hover out in the open, well below the surface, and well clear of the bottom. It's still not nearly as cool as the freefall in an aircraft cabin, but it's a damn site closer than a freefall skydive.

      The primary difference with skydiving is the lack of walls.

      The primary difference skydiving is the 100+ mph wind, which provides lots of air resistance, against which you can work to do all sorts of maneuvering. Maneuvering is determined by newtonian physics, f=ma, and the wind resistance in a skydive provides plenty of f to work with. To really experience 'weightlessness' you need to get into an environment where there is no inital vector for the f element of the equation. In the aircraft cabin, the walls shelter you from that wind resistance, the aircraft itself is being flown on a trajectory to neutralize all the other forces.

      Keep one more thing in mind, there is NO free lunch. If you go for 25 seconds at zero g during the pushover, expect 25 seconds of two g during the pullup. Newtonian physics do adhere to the TANSTAAFL principles.

    77. Re:*Ahem* by Performer+Guy · · Score: 1

      No you *don't* get to freefall up to terminal velocity. You exit into the air flow at the forward motion of the aircraft. You are instantly subject to acceleration forces.

      Once again the frame of reference counts and it *is* zero gravity. Your first link seem to support what everyone except you has been posting here. You have to revert to archaic Newtonian descriptions to support your zero gravity thesis But not even Newton can tell the difference between zero-G and orbiting in a box (ignoring tidal effects).

    78. Re:*Ahem* by Weirdofreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's possible that if it was a cone, or even just a plane at the right angle, he'd be able to slide down it.

      It would have to be almost 90 degrees of course, and it would have to level out so that he slows down, but if it's convex, angled correctly, steep enough for long enough at the top and shallow enough for long enough at the bottom, there's no reason (other than failure to get really, really lucky) that he couldn't survive.

    79. Re:*Ahem* by jaoswald · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Zero-g doesn't exist anywhere in our universe

      How do you know? Imagine an experimental method for determining that a region of space has zero gravitational field (or zero space-time curvature, if you like). How would that method distinguish the zero curvature from free-fall?

      Note, in particular, the problem of establishing a "fixed" frame of reference in space-time. Perhaps that is what Einstein was talking about when he called his theory "General RELATIVITY."

      You flakes are all getting worked up into a lather about something that is nowhere near as clear-cut as you make it out to be, and a careful consideration of the facts should make that clear to you, if you spent as much effort on asking yourself difficult questions as you do lambasting others.

      Note also that it is by no means obvious, for instance, that "looking out the window" of the spacecraft and seeing a planet rotating "below" you means that you are in orbit around the planet. It is only clear if you know that the thing out the window has MASS. How do you really know it has mass? Through gravity? Well, that's a circular argument, isn't it?

      In fact, it is easy to imagine that you *could* set up masses around you to cancel out the gravitational fields of every other object. Putting yourself *inside* a massive spherical shell would be a good start. Then, add small lumps to the spherical shell to cancel out the residual effects of far-away bodies.

    80. Re:*Ahem* by jaoswald · · Score: 1

      we are always feeling the force of gravity, right?

      It depends very much on what you mean by "feel" gravity.

      On the surface of the earth, the way I use the word "feel", I "feel" the pressure in my legs when I am standing up, and I "feel" the pressure in my butt when I sit down. It "feels" exactly like the floor or seat is pushing me up.

      Now, in my usual frame of reference (fixed to the floor), I am not accelerating. But Newton says "F=ma" and I feel a force acting from the floor. How can that be, says the physics student? Well, says the physics guru, there must be *another* mysterious force acting on you to balance out that force that you feel from the floor. I will call that force "gravity". You can measure the magnitude of the force by putting a thing called a "scale" between your feet and the floor, and it will measure the force the floor exerts on the scale, and that the scale exerts on you, (because, after all, the scale isn't accelerating, either, when you use it properly).

      The important thing to know is that YOU ARE NOT MEASURING THE GRAVITATIONAL FIELD! What you can measure is the force exerted on the scale, OR, throw something in the air and measure its ACCELERATION in your frame of reference. The only way you can link this to something called "gravity" is to have a *theory* of gravity.

      The only way (known to current physics) you could really measure the gravitational field (actually, the curvature of space-time) directly is some very sensitive measurement, for instance, to use optical means to detect curvature of space; in practice, this only works for looking for bright, distant objects behind big things like planets, stars, galaxies, etc. You can also use a big metal resonator to pick up minute vibrations caused by things like stellar explosions. It is no coincidence that these experiments, done by physicists, all are testing something they call the GENERAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY.

      This slashdot discussion is a perfect example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." You people all *think* you paid good attention in your Physics 101 class, or whatever, but you didn't really think very hard about what you supposedly learned.

      Now, you may have some magic ESP-like power that lets you feel the gravitational field, but I'm guessing not.

    81. Re:*Ahem* by Deadstick · · Score: 1
      The "Big Shot" ride in Vegas goes a bit further: A cable actually pulls you down, so you get something like minus 0.5G. In videos of it, you can see people's hair standing straight up.

      rj

    82. Re:*Ahem* by jdray · · Score: 1

      Well, okay, but if it had any amount of friction, (the slider) would almost immediately ignite. And without friction, he'd never stop at the bottom. What's an imagineer to do?

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    83. Re:*Ahem* by DarkSarin · · Score: 1

      Water slide maybe?

      That would allow enough cushion to slow him down, and help with the heat dissipation.

      All things considered, though, I had something of a more natural landscape in mind.

      Oh well.

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    84. Re:*Ahem* by jaoswald · · Score: 1

      Look, even in your first example, you cannot tell the difference between a "massless Earth" (zero G field) that happens to be accelerating toward you at 1 g and a massive Earth that is deforming space-time around you, creating a "gravitational field."

      In your second example, what the hell do you mean "I feel no inertia?" I have never heard anyone use that phrase.

    85. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a company who's name is "Zero G"

      "whose".

  3. Or... by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Simply take a bottle full of Ipecac and save yourself a few thousand dollars.

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    1. Re:Or... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 0

      They don't call it the Vomit Comet for nothing.

    2. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      thx cpt obvious....ruined the joke with an explanation.

    3. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I can just call up NASA and book a flight on the vomit comet? what?

    4. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the "department", Slashdot calls it the Vomit Comit.

  4. Wow, when I want to throw up.... by wolfemi1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I just drink copious amounts of Jagermeister. Works like a charm, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

  5. Question Gravity? by Soko · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Gravity isn't just a good idea, it's the law" - Author Unknown

    Now, to gravitate to the story...

    Soko

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    1. Re:Question Gravity? by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 0

      Gravity sucks.

      - I forget who said it/wrote it.

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    2. Re:Question Gravity? by strike2867 · · Score: 0

      Auther found.

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    3. Re:Question Gravity? by hunterx11 · · Score: 1

      It's from Confesssions of a Black Hole.

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    4. Re:Question Gravity? by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 0

      Doesn't seem like a source I'd get it from. I'm more of a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reader. Although I may be able to recall my Computer Science teacher back at UMASS Lowell 10 years ago having it in his .sig ...

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  6. 25 secs? by Kjuib · · Score: 1, Interesting

    that does not seem like a long time...
    of course falling from a great height it can seem like forever...
    but I can just see someone trying a "cool trick" in zero G.. then the 25 secs ends and the kids lands on his head... that would be bad...

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    1. Re:25 secs? by bchernicoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, they'd be fine. As the plane pulls out of the dive, "gravity" gradually increases back to one G.

    2. Re:25 secs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False!
      You actually pull up from about 0G to about 1.8G in just a couple of seconds. On the NASA planes, a big part of the responsibility of the flight directors (NASA employees keeping track of the researchers) is to make sure everyone is floating safely so that they land on their feet during the pull-up. If you were upside-down or sideways you can very easily injure yourself.

    3. Re:25 secs? by Sarek3538 · · Score: 1

      15 flight of 25 seconds for 3000 $. If you think about it, it will cost you about 8 $ per second or 28 000 $ per hour of sero G. It's a little bit too much for me... Ho, I forgot to mention, the taxs are not included !

  7. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by The+Russer · · Score: 0

    How would you like to get higher than you've ever been before? Become an astronaught? Sure!

  8. It sounds nice... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Consider that sky-diving can also offer you zero-g styled environment and it almost seems like a ripoff. If you were doing serious research it would be worth the cash but just for the sensation of free fall you can do better for less.

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    1. Re:It sounds nice... by mbrother · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sky-diving offers a very very windy free-fall experience that I can't imagine is really comparable at all. Maybe it's close enough at just under 1/10 the price (locally sky diving costs about $200 in Colorado for a first-time thing).

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    2. Re:It sounds nice... by Xoro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consider that sky-diving can also offer you zero-g styled environment

      Not really, because in skydiving the local atmosphere is not falling at the same rate as you. I would expect the sensations to be very different.

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    3. Re:It sounds nice... by jfmerryman · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a skydiver, once you exit the airplane (usually a plane traveling at around 100 mph) you begin to accelerate to terminal velocity which is around 120 mph. During this time, you will feel some sensation of acceleration, but it is certainly not zero-g. Your velocity vector simply moves from forward (where it was when you were on the plane) to downwards (gravity pulling on you now that there's no plane/wings to resist it). After about 10 seconds, the air resistance will fully balance the force of gravity and you will be at terminal velocity and no longer accelerating. Of course if you change your body position your terminal velocity can change (lower surface area, same mass = higher terminal velocity), but it's never truly zero G. After 120+ jumps, I don't even feel like I'm falling anymore. It's more like floating or flying.

      In an airplane the air is still inside, so you can experience true zero G like astronauts do.

      Not saying skydiving isn't fun (it is!) but it's a different thing from parabolic flights.

    4. Re:It sounds nice... by Khomar · · Score: 1

      Not too mention that some of us do not find the idea of throwing oneself out of a perfectly good airplane a particularly thrilling one, especially when you have to pay for it! For people who are afraid of heights, this may be the only way we would ever experience free-fall in perceived safety. There is a big difference between throwing yourself out into the open air with only a parachute to save you and falling within an enclosed space which (you hope) is under control.

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    5. Re:It sounds nice... by wass · · Score: 1
      In skydiving you hit terminal velocity after some time (not sure how long), at which point you are not accelerating anymore, and hence you can still 'feel' gravity pulling on you. Not to mention strong upwards winds.

      In the zero-g flight, for the entire 25 seconds you are accelerating downwards at 1 g, along with the air in the ship, and everything else around you. During that time you will not notice gravity pulling you.

      Skydiving seems like it would be more fun and scenic, but the zero-g flight would really be a different experience.

      Although I don't know how many 'normal' people would want to do all 15 of those drops. They don't call it the "vomit comet" for nothing. I don't know how many people fly at the same time, but it would be nice if they had an 'abort' option so as you get sick they'll stop the ride (assuming it's just you, of course).

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    6. Re:It sounds nice... by Daniel+Ellard · · Score: 1
      Sky diving only offers you zero-g for a moment. After you get going fast enough, wind resistance starts slowing you down. When you reach terminal velocity, you've stopped accelerating and you're back at 1-g. (I don't know how long it takes to reach terminal velocity -- maybe 10 seconds? Sure feels like a long time...)

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    7. Re:It sounds nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet most skydivers will actually want to go on this ride as well. I've skydived and done hang-gliding and I would go on this ride too if it weren't in USA. The thing is, each of these experiences gives you a different kind of sensation: falling like a leaf, soaring like an eagle, total free-fall. If my only goal was to experience a sensation of zero-g I'd just go to the local roller-coaster park, or bungee-jump, at a fraction of the price.

    8. Re:It sounds nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most skydiving offers you no zero-g experience. Since the plane is already travelling forward as you get out, you're really just changing direction. A helicopter or balloon jump, on the other hand, does offer you a few seconds of zero-g.

      Once you reach terminal velocity and stop accelerating, it's just a rapid descent with lots of wind. And that nuclear wedgie at the end can range from a gentle tug for a few seconds to a sharp kick in the groin, depending on how it's packed. It's particularly nasty if the guy who packed your rental chute neglected to put the slider up (BASE packjob at terminal velocity = three years of weekly chiropractic).

    9. Re:It sounds nice... by Mr+Guy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that throwing the whole PLANE toward the ground counts as safer.

    10. Re:It sounds nice... by Dr_Makarov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Skydiving is completely unlike the feeling of zero g. The feeling of weightlessness only lasts for the first 2-3 seconds of the jump, and terminal velocity is achieved after 10-11 seconds. You don't even feel the drop after the first few jumps. After that it feels like lying face down on a waterbed. A really noisy waterbed. By rolling the shoulders in, straightening the feet, and cupping your hand by your side you can turn your body into an airfoil and actually trade some of that downward velocity for horizontal velocity. Subjectively, this feels like upward acceleration, and is an absolutely indescribable sensation.

    11. Re:It sounds nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to let you know, astronauts aren't actually in Zero-G environments.... ever. They don't leave the earth's gravitational force for that.

      It's like this. The space shuttle goes around the earth incredibly fast. I don't know specific numbers. They go around it so fast that they are always "falling" off the edge of the earth. As soon as they start to fall, they are just rotated around the world. It's like running really fast and jumping off an everlasting, slightly slanted cliff. Even though you're falling towards the ground and towards the cliff, you're always just a step ahead of the cliff. Thus, you're in a free-fall environment. The result is a "weightless" environment.

      These planes work very similarly. They just fly really high and sky dive. They go fast enough that you go into freefall for 25 seconds.

      Skydiving is different, but I don't know that it'd be _that_ different.

    12. Re:It sounds nice... by gilmour14 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ...idea of throwing oneself out of a perfectly good airplane

      To this same comment, my skydive instructor replied, "If there was such thing as a perfectly good airplane, the parachute would never have been invented."

    13. Re:It sounds nice... by renoX · · Score: 1

      >For people who are afraid of heights

      No.. You don't suffer from the fear of height when you're exiting the plane: you're too high (and no I'm not joking).

      I know: I have the fear of height and have 1000+ skydive jumps, actually quite a few skydivers suffer from the fear of height..

      Of course, getting out of the plane is quite frightening at the beginning, but this has nothing to do with the 'fear of feight'.

    14. Re:It sounds nice... by notyou2 · · Score: 1

      Consider that sky-diving can also offer you zero-g styled environment

      Ummm.... or NOT!?

      When you skydive, you rather quickly attain a terminal velocity, after which you are no longer accelerating. At which point, you are in fact NOT in freefall, you are instead falling at a constant rate of speed, which means the sensations (other than the wind) are IDENTICAL to simply being at rest on the ground.

      Skydiving is not zero-g by any measure.

    15. Re:It sounds nice... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      That's pretty odd... I got three over-rated and one redunant rating out of this post but none of the 8 out of 11 who posted that "skydiving isnt zero gravity" got a single redundent.

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    16. Re:It sounds nice... by MagicDude · · Score: 1

      The thing about this is that you get your training, do the flight, and go home in one day. Becoming qualified to do a solo jump in skydiving, you have to go through a lot of training and practice jumps and become proficient in packing your chute. It's definately a committment to get to the point where you get to do a solo jump. If I wanted to do a jump this saturday with no prior experience, the best I would be able to get is to do a tandem jump strapped to some guy's crotch in an oversized baby carrier. Also, this program gives you moon and martian gravity, which is awesome.

  9. Did I miss their link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    to the floating vomit gallery?

  10. strange needs by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 1

    but with the discressionary income of allot of americans, I could see this as being a business. it's like going on a roller coaster, but with more of the wow factor! ;)

    CBdfs(setwhore-yest)

    1. Re:strange needs by grozzie2 · · Score: 1
      Actually, this has a lot of business potential. If you have a piece of equipment that needs to be space qualified for whatever reason, this is a way to expose it to the zero g environment for testing. You can call them up, book the plane, and write the cheque. There is considerably more beaurocracy involved in using nasa equipment for the same task.

      With the shuttle fleet out of business, this is a natural fill in from private enterprise. The biggest justification for the shuttle has always been all the 'microgravity experiments' you can do on it. At least half of those experiments can likely be re-thought to be accomplished during the 25 second intervals. Quite a difference between a 500 million shuttle launch, and the 81 thousand for a full suite of 27 seats on this flight.

      On another front, one of the things that made the movie Apollo 13 so good, was the 'real' zero g effects, filmed on the vomit comet. It's a resource not normally available to filmmakers for 'any old film'. It's only a matter of time now, and we are going to see more films with a lot more real 'zero g' scenes. I can already see a niche market developing for complex movie sets that are palettized to fit thru the cargo door on a 727. A properly built 'shuttle cockpit' that's on a pallette, along with a 'shuttle cargo bay' on another pallette, and you are all set to film a bunch of scenes on a single flight. On the scale at which hollywood burns money, it's not even very expensive. Sure would add a whole bunch of realism to see bruce willis puking in zero g....

  11. First person account by dane23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Xeni Jardin, over at Boingboing.net has a ticket and is blogging the experience.

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    1. Re:First person account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. Don't you find it a bit odd that a week ago, you heard nothing about zero-gravity flights, but now all of a sudden, there's an MSNBC story about it and hey, here's a whole series on it written by Xeni Jardin, who's so big a shill she not only writes writes thinly-veiled puff pieces for sponsors, she promotes her own infotainment? Someone's P.R. company is most definitely on the ball.

  12. Excellent! Exciting! by mbrother · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's relatively affordable for the uniqueness of the experience. And hey, maybe even more affordable. Since I write science fiction novels with such low-gravity and free-fall environments, I bet I could write this off! Whoo hoo!

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  13. Xeni Jardin to fly Zero G by DeltaStorm · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Xeni Jardin of BoingBoing is going to be on one of the flights, you can read more here

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  14. Zero G on the Cheep! by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just find a road with some small hills and go fast enough to just become airborne. Always got a kick out of that as a kid in the back of my parents station wagon. May be short lived, but it's cheep!

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    1. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by east+coast · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just find a road with some small hills and go fast enough to just become airborne

      Trampolines work too... not for the car tho...

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    2. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by irokitt · · Score: 1

      Guard: "For the last time, I didn't order a giant trampoline!"

      Deliverer: "Well, you know pal, you could have told me that before I set it up!"

      *Boing*

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    3. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      yep, my granpa lived out on this rural route where there was one particular rise/dip that he would always hit in his 72 impala at just the right speed to induce a brief weightless sensation for us kids in the back seat.

      it was many years later that I came to recognize that sensation in the pit of my stomach as weightlessness, the same from riding rollercoasters at six flags. I also came to realize what a reckless wacko grandpa was that he would accelerate his sled to 70 mph or so with three little kids in the back seat so he could launch over a rise on a 2-lane country road with a 30mph speed limit.

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    4. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we even HAVE that lever?

    5. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Don't. Please.

      I lost friends in high school to "hill topping". In a controlled environment it could be pretty fun, but there are far too many ways to Darwin yourself:

      1. Be a few degrees from parallel to the direction of the road when you get air. By the time you land, you're displaced laterally from your driving lane by several feet in either direction. Oncoming cars or fixed barriers suck when you're airborne at ballistic speeds.
      2. Discover a loose farm animal standing in the middle of the road. Brakes work poorly when you're not in contact with the driving surface.
      3. Any other permutation of "inadvertent change in velocity vector", "large object", and "non-acceleration due to lack of friction"

      I dare say that the "vomit comet" is far safer than jumping your car on some hill out on the middle of nowhere.

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    6. Re:Zero G on the Cheep! by grozzie2 · · Score: 1
      In a controlled environment it could be pretty fun, but there are far too many ways to Darwin yourself:

      As long as they dont take innocent bystanders with them, it's good for the gene pool. Please dont disuade such behavior from folks dumb enough to do it, and especially not if they are young enough that they haven't contributed to the gene pool yet.

  15. good going ! by phreakv6 · · Score: 1

    Fantastic idea to make a costly modern age pr0n

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    1. Re:good going ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a general rule I am unwilling to pay for porn, but I would shell out to see some low-gravity action.

    2. Re:good going ! by kippy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm pretty sure this has already been done. It was called the Uranus Project or something.

      No, I'm serious. I'm at work so I don't exactly want to go looking for a link to a porno.

    3. Re:good going ! by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Alright, where can I find this $100 six minute porno reel with awkward cuts every 25 seconds?

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    4. Re:good going ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to go looking and realized you're right. I'm on lunch break, but it's still a bad idea.

    5. Re:good going ! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Fantastic idea to make a costly modern age pr0n

      I don't know if it would last long, but would make a great novelty. Everyone would probably want to see it once out of pure curiosity. I can just imagine the point where gravity finally kicks in and all the jizz balls head for a surface.

      Make money by putting ads on the background wall or floor.

    6. Re:good going ! by lxs · · Score: 1

      What's even worse:

      It got nominated for a nebula award

  16. Re:It's the Law by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
    Hasn't anyone ever told you to Obey Gravity?

    The secret to flying is to hurl yourself at the ground and miss. (one of the more amusing ideas from HHGG)

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  17. First Hand Coverage by ewanrg · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Xeni over at BoingBoing has been writing about her anticipation for her ride on this service here

    Assume we'll get an update after her ride, which then saves me $3000 - until I decide I have to experience it myself...

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  18. Vomit Comet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really called that.

  19. I can throw up for free by lindsayt · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Great! Now I can pay $3000 to throw up and shit myself while feeling disoriented, light-headed, and dizzy.

    I can do that for $5 by going to the liquor store and buying a liter of anything in a cheap plastic bottle.

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  20. 11 years! by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Jesus,

    what the hell was the FAA thinking.

    If this isn't an advertisment for reducing the size of goverment I don't know what is.

    Civil dis-obedience is rapidly becoming mandatory behaviour.

    1. Re:11 years! by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      What the hell does that matter? The FAA just regulates who can fly what, where, and when.

      These guys spent 11 years with the FAA because the FAA kept telling them "No" probably for a large variety of legitimate reasons.

      What does that have to do with big government and civil disobedience? (no hyphen is needed)

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    2. Re:11 years! by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      It took 11 years to say yes? To flying what, where and when. I think there must have been more to it than that.

      Big goverment is by definition slow and cumbersome. To get anything done in a timely manner requires people to avoid the goverment laws.

    3. Re:11 years! by iammrjvo · · Score: 1


      I'm with you there. I mean, com'on. People know that there is risk involved in this kind of thing. Let people take risks. I don't want Uncle Same babying me until I die.

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    4. Re:11 years! by Luyseyal · · Score: 1
      Babying you, sure, but I don't want untrained or horrible pilots crashing into my house or flying on any old route in any old direction they fancy.

      -l

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    5. Re:11 years! by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      Well that's OK, I'll make sure only trained pilots crash into your house.

    6. Re:11 years! by iammrjvo · · Score: 1


      Good point. I'm a pilot who's sick of FAA over-regulation. I'm not saying that there is no need of some regulation, but you know something's wrong when it takes 11 years to get approval for something that the government does routinely.

      If people want to do aerobatics over sparsely populated areas in class E or G airspace, let 'em take their own risk.

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  21. Roller coaster ride for $30? by peter303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldnt you get a similar effect on some of the larger roller coasters? You could ride one 25 times for a days admission to a theme park.

    1. Re:Roller coaster ride for $30? by l4m3z0r · · Score: 1

      What ammusement park do you go to? It takes 3 hours to get on a ride where I come from, and I'm pretty sure I can't stay in the park for 75 hours for one days admission.

    2. Re:Roller coaster ride for $30? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like that at all amusement parks now. The grandparent poster was just being an asshat.

    3. Re:Roller coaster ride for $30? by zrobotics · · Score: 1

      Try Valleyfair in minneapolis on a weekday. when we were ther i got at least 20 rides on the rollercoasters and we were'nt there for the whole day. you just have to pick your day (eg. not labor day or saturday)

    4. Re:Roller coaster ride for $30? by Kpt+Kill · · Score: 1

      1 hr away from Cedar point awesome! oh no! i hope top thrill dragster is open and not trying to kill people today

  22. all about the vomit comet... by Chuck+Bucket · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Flying The Vomit Comet Has Its Ups And Downs. NOTE: article deserves props for it's title alone, but it's also very revealing about what getting to Zero G is like. Not sure if I'd want to do it, but it must be a crazy feeling.

    CB(whr=1)

    1. Re:all about the vomit comet... by jangobongo · · Score: 1

      There is a blog called Duke's Vomit Comet Crew written by four Duke University students who were chosen to perform experiments studying the effects of microgravity while riding on NASA's Vomit Comet plane. They describe what their ride was like and include pictures and video.

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    2. Re:all about the vomit comet... by jchap · · Score: 1

      From http://nogravity.com:

      What is the schedule for the ZERO-G Experience?

      8:00 AM ZERO-G Experience check-in
      9:00 AM Ground training and astronaut presentation
      11:30 AM Light lunch with ZERO-G Coaches and Crew

      **Not** from http://nogravity.com:

      01:00 PM Spew light lunch over inside of plane
      01:01 PM Enjoy spectacle of zero-g lunch globs
      01:02 PM Watch with glee as light lunch 'regains its weight' and lands on someone's head.

      Seriously, I'd be up for it.

      'Laugh as you Barf'.

  23. Re:Check by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    It's completely proper if you're slavic. Do I need to post the link to Elektronik Supersonik again?

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  24. $3000? bwahahah by StM.Rawder · · Score: 0

    The physics behind the experience is analogous to what happens during a roller-coaster ride or a fast elevator descent.

    Hmmm.....ride a fast elevator for free (which requires no bs training), or pay $3000 and take a class. Man, thats a hard choice.
    Oh and as someone stated already, 0 grav is diferent from free-falling around the planet and missing it :)

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    1. Re:$3000? bwahahah by vhold · · Score: 1

      It's analogous but not the same. You experience less then 1 g while going down in an elevator, but never 0 g. That'd require your elevator to be basically falling and you'd be floating around in it. Big difference. Some roller coasters do give you 0 g and even negative g for a few instants at a time, still though, that's not going to be -anything- like free floating in a pressurized cabin without any wind blowing in your face. They are offering a totally unique experience.

    2. Re:$3000? bwahahah by Spad · · Score: 1

      If the elevator you're in is decending at 9.8ms^2 then you probably need to start worrying.

  25. Combine this with normal travel by cft_128 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It would be great, the Free Fall flights traveling, make the trips way more enjoyable. It would kick any in-flight movie's ass and I bet no one would complain about the lack of meals.

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    1. Re:Combine this with normal travel by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They do this with regular passenger airliners once in a while, though in most cases the landing is a bit on the rough side.

  26. Hydrogen peroxide works, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least for dogs.

    1. Re:Hydrogen peroxide works, too by phiala · · Score: 1
      But don't try this yourself! Dog stomachs are much tougher than human stomachs - hydrogen peroxide in milk works beautifully for getting back whatever Fido ate, but could make you awfully, awfully unhappy.

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  27. The *real* Zero gravity by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 1

    I hope the experiments triggered by the X-prize would lead to 'real' low-cost space flights soon.

    This new flight though would give one the experience, wouldn't be as thrilling as a real flight i suppose.

    I don't know if it's a proper example, but it, in my opinion, this would just be like wearing the special goggles and watching a 3d movie.

    Damn! What is reality?!?!

    1. Re:The *real* Zero gravity by BrodyVess · · Score: 1

      Truthfully, the Zero-G of a X-Prize shot would be the exact same phenomenon as this, only writ large. The idea is go up really high, and fall down really fast. The vomit comet does it at 40k feet, SpaceShip One does it at 62 miles.

      Until you acheive orbital flight (and the world is falling endlessly out from under you) its really just a sustained free-fall.

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  28. You can do this with a single prop plane now. by ozzmosis · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can do this with a single prop plane, it'd be hard to beat 25sec but you can get a good 10sec 0 gravity in one.

    1. Re:You can do this with a single prop plane now. by runner_one · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes you can, and I find it quite fun. But there is even more fun in watching the faces of your passengers while they dodge the various pieces of debris that is laying on the cabin floor of most rental planes (chewing gum wrappers, old pencils and pens, loose change and the occasional condom package from someone's mile high club attempt). These formally forgotten items once relived of the burden of gravity that is keeping them out of sight and out of mind under feet suddenly fill the cabin of the plane like the cloud of debris around a tornado. Your passengers now overloaded with experiences totally outside of anything they have ever experienced before become totally convinced in those few seconds that the aircraft is going to pieces around them, and most become total quivering blobs of jelly while calling out loudly to their deity to save them.

    2. Re:You can do this with a single prop plane now. by ndege · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agree. :)

      For those of you who don't have access to general aviation, I would suggest a demo flight at your local flight school. You can take a "Discovery Flight" during which time, you can ask for a "zero G pushover." And, if your instructor is nice, he/she will let you fly the aircraft through the pushover yourself. It is a rush and it is $49

      Here is a useful link: http://learntofly.com/howto/discovery.chtml

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    3. Re:You can do this with a single prop plane now. by PPGMD · · Score: 1
      It's best to have the door pop open on them too at the same time, then you are truly evil.

      Took a friend up for a ride in a Super D, explaining away the chute as normal equipment. I ended up having to clean the plane out, it was worth it getting that girlly I am going to die scream out of my friend.

  29. Vomit Comet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why is it that the NASA/military free-fall flights are so notorious for inducing nausea in the participants that they've been dubbed "Vomit Comet," yet you never hear about anyone getting airsick or puking during a skydive?

    1. Re:Vomit Comet? by vhold · · Score: 1

      Generally I think motion sickness is a result of the disconnectedness of your inner ear to the rest of your perceptions. Inner ear feels one thing, your eyes see another and your brain/stomach go "Oh crap, I think we've just been poisoned, lets try to get rid of it before its too late BLARF" Thats why some kids get motion sickness up until they can see out of the car. Being too short to look out the window, they just experience all this movement with no visual reference and have a hard time dealing with it.

      When you are sky diving, everything is still relatively consistent, ground is coming at you, you feel all that wind in your face, it all adds up. When you are in a contained unit just suddenly floating, its probably very disconcerting to that primal instinct.

    2. Re:Vomit Comet? by Performer+Guy · · Score: 1

      They are different experiences, when you skydive you never feel weightlessness, you exit the aircraft and the rush of air from your forward motion exerts a lot of acceleration force (deceleration) on you then this eventually becomes the force of air pushing you up against gravity as you eventually fall faster and more vertically at your terminal velocity.

      Even jumping from a stationary platform like a balloon you only feel weightless for a few seconds as your velocity builds up.

      People do get sick skydiving, but it is usually on the aircraft that it affects them the most, so it is probably fair to call this common air sickness. It is an interesting fact that the terminal velocity of vomit is less than the terminal velocity of a skydiver, so if you are sick in the air it 'falls up' relative to your position. Experienced Tandem skydivers have all learned this the hard way with queezy customers.

  30. Tom Hanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Previously, such flights were available only to astronauts, researchers, and Tom Hanks;

    Afterwards, Tom Hanks was Quoted as Saying:
    "That's not Flying... That was Falling with Style!"

  31. Wouldn't "g_gravity 0" be cheaper?! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Funny

    No wait, we don't live in a virutal world! Damn!

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  32. Forget the parent by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 1

    I'm signing up as we speak!

  33. That's cool but... by jmcmunn · · Score: 1


    I have never been sky diving, but you essentially get zero gravity while sky diving right? The only difference or course is you have the wind blowing in your face.

    For my money, if I had $3000 I would go buy a Segway scooter to ride around all day. Think how many women that would get me!

    1. Re:That's cool but... by TrollBridge · · Score: 1
      "...you essentially get zero gravity while sky diving right?"

      I'd be willing to wager that, had they still been alive today, anyone whose parachutes didn't open would take issue with that statement.

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    2. Re:That's cool but... by thetroll123 · · Score: 1

      if I had $3000 I would go buy a Segway scooter to ride around all day. Think how many women that would get me!

      And when you realise the answer is "none at all" you could ride it off a cliff and get the whole freefall thing thrown in too :-)

    3. Re:That's cool but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I've got a Segway, and I was on the Zero-G flight, so I'm probably in a position to answer this one [grin]. They're both excellent babe magnets, but the trick is to get a babe up into the plane with you! Seriously, though, the Segway is an awesome machine and I'm always amazed that it hasn't taken off yet (even at $3K). And the Zero-G flight was absolutely, unbelievably cool. I'm really lucky to have done both, and in truth, even though they're apples and oranges, I would be hard-pressed to choose between 'em if I could only pick one.

  34. Skydiving not the same. by temojen · · Score: 1

    Skydiving has a lot of wind!

  35. 25 seconds? by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shit, that's about all most of us nerds need :)

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      Ha! Speak for yourself, Mr. Premature. I suggest so see a doctor..

  36. Spoken like someone who has never done it by tgd · · Score: 1

    Insightful?

    Skydiving has wind rushing by you at 140mph. There's no real sensation of weightlessness, just thirty seconds of rush followed by a nuclear wedgie.

    1. Re:Spoken like someone who has never done it by David+Gould · · Score: 1


      IHNTA. IJLS "nuclear wedgie". Thank you.

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  37. Misread that. by sammy+baby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I misread the headline as "Zero Gravity Fights for the Rest of Us."

    The first thing I thought was, " I'm gonna f*%k someone's day all up in zero G, bitch."

    And the second was, "Oh yeah? Well, TRON fights for the users, man."

  38. Dreams Cost less by shockingbluerose · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're sick, take some Nyquil and then drink a glass of wine. Go directly to bed. You'll know what 0 gravity feels like! It's so awesome and only cost about 10 bucks.

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  39. Carrot showers anyone? by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1

    Yow. Still it might appeal to the tub girl goatse
    fraternity...

    (and don't forget you get 2G as well for free if it's
    like NASA's KC-10...).

  40. It ain't very windy at 30 or 40,000 feet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would probably be a good first-order approximation of being in zero-G conditions. Of course, not too many folks jump out of planes at that altitude... :-)

  41. OMFG mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know parent is a bit redundant, but that version almost made me shoot water out of my nose.

    Almost anyone can relate to that, though I haven't yet had the misfortune of shitting myself in a drunken stupor.

  42. Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by dpilot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller rode the Comet. I was even posted on Slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=115312 &cid=9770946
    In Penn's article, he mentions another noteworthy Vomit Comet expedition: The filming of the Pr0n movie, "The Uranus Experiment."

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    1. Re:Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Mod up. This sounded so absurd I thought the parent was kidding; but both flights were real.

      Penn's writeup is the best description about how zero-G must feel like anyweher in the internet.

    2. Re:Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I generally don't go into that little curtained room at the video store, but I do have some wish to rent this one. I just have to find a good time and conquer the aversion.

    3. Re:Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by K8Fan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller rode the Comet.

      Yeah, I love that story! Here's Google's cache of it...Art Bell's web site no longer has it (apparently the gray aliens told him to take it down).

      Since it's so hard to find, I might as well post the entire thing here. It's not that long:

      Learning to Fly, Strip, and Vomit on a 727

      Penn Jillette

      Since I was a kid, I've wanted to be weightless. I really wanted to go to space, but part of going to space was being weightless. Just to hold something up in front of me, and have it stay right there is the idea of magic. As I got older, I battled gravity. My start in showbiz was as a juggler. Jugglers fight gravity. The hack jugglers cover a drop with a "standard" (meaning it's been stolen so much, those who didn't write it conveniently consider it to be public domain) 'cover' (it doesn't really cover very much, they know the prop is on the floor and they know you're chasing it, bent over like you're chasing a duck) line, "Sudden gust of gravity."

      Now, that I'm 45 years old and I weight 280 pounds, gravity is a less sporting and more real enemy. I'm 6'6" tall and I still remember Leslie Fiedler writing in "Freaks, Myths of our Secret Selves" that "gravity is not kind to those who grow too large." As we get older, it seems the jockey build is healthier.

      No one knows what gravity is. I mean we just don't know. There is no good theory. A good theory in science is one that we're damn sure is true: The Earth goes around the Sun. Evolution is how we got here. No one seriously doubts those. But, gravity, well, we just don't know.

      So, right now, the only way you can feel weightless for more than a couple rollercoaster seconds is by getting far enough away from Earth, or taking the Vomit Comet. The Vomit Comet is how NASA trains astronauts (the Russians must do it too, right?). They take a big old airplane and they go up and down really fast. When they go up, you weight 1.8 times your weight, and when they go down, you weigh around 0.

      The FAA has always given NASA a monopoly on losing all your pounds of ugly fat (along with muscle, bone, and everything else). Astronauts get to ride it, some scientists get to ride it, and that's about it. Ron Howard made some backroom deal (it MUST have included sexual favors) to be able to shoot "Apollo 13," on the NASA Vomit Comet and they talked about it a bit, but it was soon quieted down. You're not REALLY supposed to use a government-funded program to make movies. Not really. I mean, I'm glad Tom, Gary, and Kevin got to fly, but if everyone really thought about it, why can't we all ride?

      A couple free-market nuts at NASA decided they LOVED Zero G, and it was time to get off the socialist tit, and buy their own Vomit Comet and start selling rides on it. Everything the Vomit Comet does in within the specs of planes, and why can't we do what Ron and Tom got to do? That was the idea.

      When they first got this harebrained scheme, I heard about it. It seems that when anyone gets a harebrained scheme, I'm CC'd on the memo. I loved nuts, I'm for nuts, I am nuts. They all get in touch with me. I told them I thought it was a great idea (and you know how much that means), and I wrote them email, gave them tickets to our show, and went to dinner with them a couple times.

      They were going to get approval to fly a 727 very fast right straight down very soon. It was going to be a matter of months. That was 6 years ago. But, I kept talking to them, and whenever they gave me a date, I said I would be there, until it fell through again. Us free-market guys are always fighting the man.

      Well, they finally fought the law and kinda sorta won. They at least won enough for me to fly. I finally did it. After 6 years of grueling cheerleading, I got be be weightless. Only about

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    4. Re:Other private rides on the Vomit Comet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penn's piece is really excellent, and perfectly describes the Zero-G experience. I've been up on G-Force 1 (as they call the ZERO-G plane), and unlike the NASA version (which does 40 parabolas and doesn't give a hoot about passenger comfort) the commercial experience is MUCH more 'user friendly' and is emphatically NOT a "vomit comet".

      On my flight, which flew about 15 parabolas, not a single person threw up. Also, while Penn describes one of the early test flights, the whole thing now is VERY slick, almost like a Disney-fied experience. You wear cool flight suits, the whole interior of the plane is furnished with fuil airline seats (in the seating area) and professional, color-coded padding (in the 'flying' area.) They have coaches assigned to each group of floaters, they take videos of you on the flight, have a thorough briefing beforehand and a party afterwards, etc.

      But the core feelings that Penn wrote about are right on target: it is an experience that will change the way you think.

  43. Slashdot Public Service Announcement by tgd · · Score: 4, Informative

    To avoid the possibility any other responders to this thread demonstrate a critical need to be cracked with a cluestick:

    What a person experiences in this case is *identical* to what you'd experience in Space.

    You don't suddenly leave the Earths gravitational field in orbit and start floating around. You just fall in a parabola that happens to miss the ground.

    One would think this was common knowledge, but from the posts on here, its clearly not.

    1. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What a person experiences in this case is *identical* to what you'd experience in Space.

      No, it's identical to what you experience in *orbit*, not in space generally.

    2. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by Control+Group · · Score: 1
      You'd think between high school and college I would have learned this definitively, but...is it a parabola, or an ellipse?

      It always seemed to me that a thrown ball, disregarding friction from the air, should describe an elliptic section corresponding to its orbit around the Earth's center of gravity, not the parabola that so often got mentioned.

      I've never had adequately explained to me why it's a parabola instead of an ellipse (assuming that it is).

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    3. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by tgd · · Score: 1

      Its a parabola from the standpoint of an objects current location, but because the angle to the center of gravity changes as it falls, it falls in an eliptical path.

    4. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      You don't suddenly leave the Earths gravitational field in orbit and start floating around. You just fall in a parabola that happens to miss the ground.

      One would think this was common knowledge, but from the posts on here, its clearly not.


      Of course, one would also think that it's common knowledge that an orbit is an ellipse, not a parabola...

      (And before somebody tries to out-pedantic me, yes I know that this is a simplification that ignores relativity and only holds for two-body systems...)

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    5. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by tgd · · Score: 1

      Its an oversimplification to ensure the parallel between the parabola of the plane (elipse that would hit the ground), and parabola of the space craft (elipse that misses the ground) are the same thing. They're the ones who called it a parabolic flight.

    6. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 4, Informative
      It always seemed to me that a thrown ball, disregarding friction from the air, should describe an elliptic section corresponding to its orbit around the Earth's center of gravity, not the parabola that so often got mentioned.
      The parabola arises from a simplifying assumtion that the gravity producing body is infinite in all directions (which would result in a uniform gravitational field everywhere). Stated another way, assume the highest point the projectile reaches is small compared to the radius of the earth. Kind of like the assumption that accelleration due to gravity for earth is 9.8m/s^2 (which is true as long as you are sufficiently close to the surface). Take a baseball (mass=m1) and the earth (mass=m2). The magnitude of the force on the baseball is...
      F=G*m1*m2/r^2
      where
      G=universal gravitational constant (6.67E-11 Nm)
      r=distance between center of masses of m1 and m2 (radius of earth is ~6400km)
      The accelleration of m1 due to m2 is...
      F=m*a
      m1*a=G*m1*m2/r^2
      a=G*m2/r^2
      So if you throw the baseball 10 meters straight up, the gravitational field at the top of the arc will be about 3 ten thousandths of a percent less [compare (6400000)^2 with (6400000+10)^2]. That's a small error, so usually we ignore it. You might also be interested to know that a parabola is merely a degenerate ellipse with one of the foci at infinity. See also about conic sections.
    7. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...........

      You throw yourself at the ground-- and miss?

    8. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      Its an oversimplification to ensure the parallel between the parabola of the plane (elipse that would hit the ground), and parabola of the space craft (elipse that misses the ground) are the same thing. They're the ones who called it a parabolic flight.

      Not to be an ass, but you are aware that an ellipse and a parabola are two different curves, right?

      If the plane is truly flying in a parabolic arc, then it is definitely not flying in an ellipse or any portion thereof. Likewise, the "ellipse that misses the ground" of the space craft is in no way a parabola.

      Yes, the ellipse and parabola are closely related by virtue of both being conic sections, and a small portion of a spacecraft's orbit will be essentially parabolic, but they are not the same curve.

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    9. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by carambola5 · · Score: 1

      Well, not entirely *identical*. Your pitch motion is much different in an airplane than in a stable orbit. In the airplane, your pitch acceleration is consistently non-zero, whereas in orbit, your pitch velocity is consistently non-zero. I would know... I've flown in NASA's weightless wonder and had to correct for that very thing with my experiment.

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    10. Re:Slashdot Public Service Announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the ellipse and parabola are closely related by virtue of both being conic sections, and a small portion of a spacecraft's orbit will be essentially parabolic, but they are not the same curve.

      If I take an given elipse, cut symetrically in half, are the two halves not parabolas?

  44. Vomit Comet by iqvoice · · Score: 1, Troll

    I'm actually sitting only 300 yards away from NASA's KC-135, affectionately known as the Vomit Comet. This is the aircraft that NASA uses to do micro-gravity research. (ie. zero-g flights with experiments in tow.) I've had the opportunity to fly on the thing but turned it down. (Yeah I'm a big chicken. A big green-in-the-face chicken in fact.)

    Reckon I won't be spending $3000 to do what I could have done for free....

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  45. Not like skydiving at all by Howl · · Score: 1

    No - in skydiving you rapidly reach terminal velocity where your speed matches the wind resistance - you feel the air pressure against you.

    In a parabolic flight the air and everyting in your frame of reference is "falling" with you so you don't have that resistance and you feel weightless. Very different experience.

    As for the segway I think the answer to your question is as close to zero as makes no difference.

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  46. Gravity is a myth. by dstone · · Score: 1

    The earth sucks.

    1. Re:Gravity is a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      took me a second... but i started laughing rather uncontrollably at this. good joke sir.

    2. Re:Gravity is a myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gravity is a myth. Space-time is curved.

  47. act now, and we'll include... by jpellino · · Score: 2, Funny

    a free Zero-G Tote Bag!

    barf bag, tote bag - don't be such a nitpicker...

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    1. Re:act now, and we'll include... by pclminion · · Score: 1
      In zero-G, a barf bag wouldn't be quite so useful. In a normal airplane, if you puke, the vomit falls due to gravity into the barf bag.

      In a zero-G flight, if you vomited, gravity would not pull the vomit into the bag. Instead, the vomit would float around the cabin.

      Unless of course you vomited forcefully, a.k.a. projectile vomit, in which case you could carefully aim and possibly vomit into the bag from ten feet away!

      I detect a new Olympic sport in the making...

    2. Re:act now, and we'll include... by jpellino · · Score: 1

      on the 'vomit comet', they issue small bags you can scrunch around your mouth and do your best - and they do seem to use them... though the Duke student team never seemed to need them...

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  48. I have to disagree by Performer+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is very different from skydiving and very similar to orbital flight. With typical skydiving you never actually feel a lack of acceleration force. The point is the box in this case has control surfaces and flies a parabolic arc to counter the forces of air friction, all forces of air friction are removed, and in the frame of reference inside the aircraft gravitational forces don't manifest as a perceived phenomenon. What do you think an Orbit is? It's a vehicle falling under gravity and missing the Earth because of it's velocity vector (in the Newtonian model), the two differences between this and an orbital flight are the control surfaces (and engines) on the vehicle eliminating the forces of air and the fact that the arc of motion intersects the Earth. If you call orbital flights zero-G then you should call this flight zero-G because the relevant difference air friction is eliminated with by the aircraft.

    Skydiving when you exit the plane you immediately feel the force of air blasting you from the direction of flight, the speed of the aircraft is enough that this force is some significant portion of 1G, it actually feels like you're falling sideways once you're used to skydiving, skydivers call this "the hill". Eventually as you fall the forward motion is eliminated as you accelerate downwards but again it just feels like the vector from which the air is pushing you has changed. From then on you're lying on a cushion of air with a full 1G of gravity, and you feel this. Skydivers do seek the thrill of weightlessness by jumping from relatively stationary platforms, like Helicopters or Hot Air Balloons, unlike normal skydiving from an moving plane you get that lump in your throat "I'm falling" feeling for a few seconds at the start of the jump. Same with BASE jumping.

  49. Group discount? by Fortress · · Score: 2, Funny

    No way can I afford $3000, but can I take 9 of my buddies and each pay $300? Here's the itinerary guys:

    Lunar-G flights: Moonwalk competition.
    Mars-G flights: Martian wrestling. (Imagine the bodyslams!)
    Zero-G flights: Zero-G dodgeball, baby!

    I'm giggling already.

    1. Re:Group discount? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have 9 buddies.

  50. Odd diagram... by smeenz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Has anyone actually read the article (yeah I know, this is slashdot)..

    It's just that they have a rather odd diagram on there showing when the freefall periods occur. It doesn't look right to me.

    It shows you get "zero g" (freefall) from the point where the aircraft starts to level off from a climb, until it starts to tip over... surely the freefall would occur from when it started to tip over until it started to pull up ?

    1. Re:Odd diagram... by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      No, the people inside the aircraft are travelling upwards at high speed... when the plane levels off, it's essentially free-fall relative to the people inside, not to the ground.

    2. Re:Odd diagram... by smeenz · · Score: 1

      When you skydive, you get freefall while you're falling towards the ground, until you pull the rip cord. How is doing it in an aeroplane different that it means you only get it when levelling off ?

    3. Re:Odd diagram... by tAnkEmspAnkEm · · Score: 0

      I think this effect has to do with relative accelerations and inertia or something. I'm sure someone can explain it better but here is an example. Think about when you're in a car and chugging up a steep hill, notice that the pull of gravity into your seat lessens before you hit the summit and not at the summit.

    4. Re:Odd diagram... by Professr3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You'd get the same thing if they dropped you out of the plane when it was still climbing almost vertically. When the plane levels off, you'll still be going up in the air while the plane starts going down. That shifts the start of freefall to a little BEFORE it starts falling.

    5. Re:Odd diagram... by hashmap · · Score: 1

      I think free fall refers to 'your state' and not the actual path the the plane.

      Think of it as being thrown (accelerated) on a parabolic trajectory but and then having the plane follow this trajectory thus creating the net effect of you moving independently from the airplane.

    6. Re:Odd diagram... by smeenz · · Score: 1

      Okay, I see what you're saying.. your momemtum continues, and the plane effectively brakes in the direction it was travelling, so you get lifted off the floor.. just as if you were travelling upwards in an express elevator and it stopped really suddenly.

    7. Re:Odd diagram... by pclminion · · Score: 4, Informative
      The zero-G condition occurs when the aircraft is moving ballistically. Whether the plane is ascending or descending is irrelevant. All that matters is that it is moving in a parabolic trajectory consistent with the acceleration of gravity.

      The reason the occupants of the plane experience this as a zero-G condition is because they are in freefall. They are moving precisely as they would be moving if they were falling toward the earth without air resistance. You need a plane to accomplish this, because in reality you cannot neglect the air resistance.

      You can experience the same condition briefly, simply by jumping in the air. During the time you are in the air, you are in a weighless condition.

    8. Re:Odd diagram... by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      Precisely.

    9. Re:Odd diagram... by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Hey, what about some kind of sled with a seat on it, that has a really long run up (so you don't get too pwn3d), and that at the end ejects you out somewhat above terminal velocity? How high up will you get? What about doing it over a cliff?

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    10. Re:Odd diagram... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The plane accelerates upward at 1.8g. This is acceleration of about 7.8 m/s^2 or 25.6 ft/s^2. It accelerates util it is high enough to get a good free fall. It then turns and accelerates downward at about 9.8 m/s^2 or 32 ft/s^2. At this point, you are in freefall. However, if you do the math, you will find that accelerating from level flight by 7.8 m/s^2 upward will give you significant vertical velocity. A reasonably large amount of the deceleration will happen while you are still traveling upward (roughly half).

      If you want, I can go through all the math. But the moment the plane starts slowing its upward climb at the same rate that gravity acts on you, you are in free fall, though you are still traveling upward.

  51. As a glider pilot.... by Make · · Score: 2, Interesting

    in a glider, you can fly in zero-gravity for about 5 or 10 seconds. If you like the idea, go to the nearest airfield and ask them, it's fun. Price should be around 30 dollars for a flight for non-members. But you can't run around at zero gravity, because you'll be wearing a 4 or 5-point seat belt. (pssst... glider acrobatics are even more fun, but that varies between -2g and +5g)

  52. Time to upgrade... by tAnkEmspAnkEm · · Score: 0

    your mile high club status to the 6 mile high club! Oh who am I kidding... with this audience...

  53. They were... by morzel · · Score: 3, Informative
    The appropriately dubbed 'The Uranus Experiment' was filmed on location (i.e.: riding the vomit comet).

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    1. Re:They were... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, is there a bit torrent around?

  54. They were first.... by morzel · · Score: 1
    The appropriately dubbed 'Uranus Experiment' was filmed on location (i.e.: riding the vomit comet).

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  55. Re:It's the Law by Paulrothrock · · Score: 2, Funny

    Douglas Adams is lucky he's dead. I tried missing the ground and broke my nose.

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  56. 3000$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get zero gravity about, say 15 beers.

    waaaay cheaper, and I dont' have to leave my house

  57. Porn in 0-G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For your information, it has been *already* done:
    - The Uranus Experiment
    - The Uranus Experiment 2
    - The Uranus Experiment 3

    BTW, those of us who have been lucky enough to have been in a parabolic flight know how difficult should have been filming such movie...

    Legal Disclaimer: I am not responsible of any legal charges if you download such things from P2P networks.

  58. Most Apt. Nickname. Ever. by mcmonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Listen shrub,

    I'm in a plane with no windows. Some force is keeping my feet on the floor and giving me the sensation of weight. I take two balls out of my pockets. I drop them.

    If the balls fall straight down in parallel paths, I am undergoing constant acceleration.

    If the balls do not fall in parallel paths, but rather land closer together, I am feeling the effects of gravity and the two paths intersect at the center of gravity for the system.

    Yes, some theoretical gravity field with a center of gravity at an infinite distance will cause objects to fall in parallel paths. The real gravity field affecting the plane, the balls, and me is not such a field, and can be distinguished from constant acceleration.

    Actually, methods of determining an un-seen source of 'gravity' (under influence of planet, rotating space station, constant acceleration in a straight line) was in the first problem set on the first of class in freshman physics. See what you would of learned if you had gone to class?

    1. Re:Most Apt. Nickname. Ever. by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
      See what you would of learned if you had gone to class?

      Well, if you'd gone to English class, you would have learned that it is "would have learned", not "would of learned".

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    2. Re:Most Apt. Nickname. Ever. by G.+W.+Bush+Junior · · Score: 1

      That is probably the most agressive post I've ever seen in a scientific discussion. Are you sure you haven't got any issues? (that you might have learned about in a freshman psychology course?)

      My point about the Einsteins principle of equivalence stands though... how would you distinguish the effects of free fall from the advanced effect of a machine generating a gravity field opposing earths?
      Sure you can still measure how fast the two balls move towards each other, but I fail to see how that enables you to conclude anything.
      Sure it is a good indication that the machine doesn't magically shield out gravity, but merely counteracts it with a homogenous field, but other than that?

      The only place this is getting you is into some absurd discussion of what exactly is meant by zero-gravity... If you want to get anywhere with that you have to convince me that the only meaningful definition of that is being inside a completely gravity shielded room (whatever that means)... but that doesn't really match the common definition of the term though.

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    3. Re:Most Apt. Nickname. Ever. by jepaton · · Score: 1

      I take two balls out of my pockets. I drop them.

      I suggest you make an appointment with the doctor.

    4. Re:Most Apt. Nickname. Ever. by grozzie2 · · Score: 1
      You missed the original point. When you 'drop' the balls, and they 'just sit there hovering', you are experiencing zero g. The point is, while experiencing zero g, there is no way to determine wether that is due to the total lack of local gravitational influence, or, if its because you are on a trajectory that negates local gravitational influence.

      After the plane completes the parabolic trajectory, and starts the pullup, THEN you will be able to see where the balls fall, until then, you will have no indication.

  59. Porn has already charted that territory by asoap · · Score: 2, Informative
    They've already been there and done that. I would find a link to the proper video, but I'm currently at work. Look for a video called 'the uranus experiment 2'. It's about 3-4 years old now, but they have about 30sec - 1minute of zero-g 'footage'.

    What's funny is that they could only afford to the dive a couple of times, so they only have a little bit of footage. But there is other footage where they "simulate" zero-g with very tacky and hysterical porn special effects.

    It's not a very good video. Although it does have some killer 3d special effects, that appear to be done with 3ds r4.

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  60. can someone please explain to me... by painehope · · Score: 1

    how this is any harder-core than say, sky-diving, bungee-jumping, or free-fall netdiving ( all of which I've done )? While this seems fun and all, it hardly seems to be the rush it's made out to be. Still, I guess if I had money to burn, I'd do it, otherwise for $3000, I'd rather give a couple hundred to a bungee place and jump all day, then go get drunk as fuck, higher than a kite, and still wake up with $2000.

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  61. As a former skydiver.... by Ucklak · · Score: 1

    There is a saying something like:

    "If you call piloting a plane flying, you must call steering a boat swimming. Get out and fly."

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  62. Re:It's the Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that's not his fault. He made it perfectly clear that missing the ground is the tricky part.

  63. You can't call it that by feyhunde · · Score: 2, Informative
    I was on a SOAR team, where Nasa allows university students to fly experiments on the KC-135. There is much research done on them, but much of it is sidelined to PR. The PR folks make most the decisions on the plane. They know lack of safety is not only bad for them and the plane, but for budget and PR. When FOD can kill an $80K+ engine, they make damn sure there are few chances for it to do so. That's why you can't bring your own tools anywhere on Elington field (same place W was "based" in Texas Air National Guard).

    When I went nearly half the experimenters got quite sick. The smart groups made the experiments automated and spend the time doing flying kicks and walking up walls. Or, of course, Vomiting. Nasa hates the name Vomit Comet, but everyone calls it that. A problem was the camera people would come up to you on the plane while you were frantically working to make your project work due to some bug you missed before hand. When they come you are suppose to smile and wave and say hi to folks at home that will get shown the video. This is rather bad for a serious project that has 10k+ invested in it for plane tickets and hotel rooms.

    For some great photos of flights try http://zerog.jsc.nasa.gov/2004SpringCollegeCampaig n/viewer.cgi

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  64. Admit it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You all want to do this, if only for the opportunity to open up a bag of potato chips then gobble them up pacman-style.

  65. Re:Vomit Comet by feyhunde · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hmm, don't think there is that much office space near Ellington field. Mostly restricted government areas that you get shot at by National Guardsmen for taking photos of. The KC-135 is done anyway. Too old and time for a very expensive C check, so it is now time for a DC-9 to do the Job. The folks at Ellington are much happier, even if it is smaller than the 707, it has better engines and has much more ease of control.

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  66. Speaking of vomit... by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Funny

    For three grand, I would hope they include a change of clothing in the package.

  67. Re:It's the Law by legirons · · Score: 1

    "The secret to flying is to hurl yourself at the ground and miss. (one of the more amusing ideas from HHGG)"

    Or indeed, perpendicular to the ground, and extremely fast...

  68. Pfft cheaper way than that! by Orclover · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I want to experience a few seconds of 0 gravity ill just fly southwestern airlines again.

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    1. Re:Pfft cheaper way than that! by PPGMD · · Score: 1

      Happens at every airline, not everyone lands perfectly everytime, well except me. ;)

  69. Patented conversion of aircraft by SuperDry · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't believe that nobody else has pointed out something mentioned at the end of the article: They are going to be using regular cargo aircraft that are temporarily reconfigured for the 0G flights, and have been awarded a patent for this idea.

    1. Re:Patented conversion of aircraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? That's actually a great idea. Cargo planes are primarily used during the week, and I assume that the Zero-G flights will be on weekends (sort of the way Compuserve began life as a way to give end-users the advantage of business mainframes on nights and weekends.) The particular plane they're using is a relatively new one, which (as you'd expect) has been inspected inside out and upside down by Boeing, the FAA, and everyone else. And since the parabolic flights are well within the profile of the plane, it sounds like a good deal all around to me.

  70. Or you could... by asoap · · Score: 1
    Or you could jump.. jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump jump. For days... jump jump jump jump jump... for weeks.... jump jump jump jump jump jump.

    Eventually you will accumulate the same as the 225 seconds of zero-g that you get with $3000, but do you really want to jump for weeks on end? That sounds like more work then fun.

    The simple fact is that it's not the same thing. It's a little hard fly like superman on a roller coaster, even if the roller coaster is called "fly like superman roller coaster".

    -Derek

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    1. Re:Or you could... by Jardine · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's a little hard fly like superman on a roller coaster, even if the roller coaster is called "fly like superman roller coaster".

      You probably can fly like superman for a little bit if you wiggle out of your harness, it's just the landing would be very unsuperman-like.

  71. Wrong Zero G corporation by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I first read the story, up until I went to the company's web site, I thought the company selling the rides was Zero G Software. They make InstallAnywhere, a product I've used extensively. I thought it was a cool tie-in and a great way to get the company noticed.

    Oh well, so much for the free ride for using their product to bundle our product...

  72. Don't by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

    The public road is far too uncontrolled. And everyone outside of trained stunt drivers are too uncontrolled as well.

    My (our) roads are not your playground.

  73. Cleanup is extra by spitzak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Any unexpected cleanup of the plane interior after the flight may cost you extra.

  74. Sex in Zero G? by aLEczapKA · · Score: 0

    25 seconds? Kinda too short to jerk off I guess... but on the other hand you can try for 25 times.

    But seriously I wonder if any of the astronauts had have sex in zero g? If so, was g point easier to find? ;)

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  75. Cessna Version of this, quite fun, dirt cheap. by deathcow · · Score: 2, Interesting


    We've actually done the free fall experience in Cessna 172's. I think all those Cessna's are rated for 0G or even -1G or more no problem. Of course, it is no where near 25 seconds long, but we were still cackling like crazy kids.

    Simply fly long up and down swoops. When you arch over the top and start to descend, the pilot controls the rate so that everything in the cabin lifts up and floats. I spun my 35mm camera in front of me, hanging in the air, so you get a few seconds. Quite a rush.

    1. Re:Cessna Version of this, quite fun, dirt cheap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think -1G IS a problem: there's no such thing.

    2. Re:Cessna Version of this, quite fun, dirt cheap. by deathcow · · Score: 1

      But aircraft are rated as such. Look at the Fieseler Storch, made in Austrailia, read the first paragraphs and you see it says "quite strong (+6 -3)" This is their way of saying you can pull 6 G's towards the bottom of the aircraft, or 3 G's towards the top. Call them -3G to be immediately clear without explaining any furthur.

      That storch is quite an aircraft!! Take off run into a 16 mph wind is straight up!

  76. enclosed skydiving? by tacroy · · Score: 1

    couldnt you get the same feeling from skydiving in a enclosed "bubble"? Where the chute was attached to the bubble and you were loose inside of it?

    1. Re:enclosed skydiving? by leetdan · · Score: 1

      A bubble isn't a good idea, with the whole tumble factor. The craft would have to be aerodynamically stabilized (SpaceShipOne has the right idea), and it would also have to be somewhat sleek in design (otherwise you'd quickly reach the terminal velocity of the craft, at which point you could only watch the ground rush at you and wait on that parachute. Otherwise yes, as long as both you and the craft accelerate at 9.8, you get the exact same effect.

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    2. Re:enclosed skydiving? by John+Meacham · · Score: 1

      No, due to air resistance, the bubble will fall at less than the natural free-fall rate so you would still end up sitting on the bottom of the falling bubble. Somewhat lighter though.

      Now a jet powered bubble...

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  77. Women will likely want that as ... by raulfragoso · · Score: 1

    ... replacement for silicone implants: firm boobs instantaneously !

  78. Yikes. by M.+Silver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for a charter airline, and we were approached by someone wanting to do something like this... probably 1997ish. They wanted to take some of our cargo planes, slap some FedEx PeoplePaks in them, and have them fly these sorts of flights during the day (when cargo planes are normally idle).

    The scary thing is that most cargo planes are cargo planes because they're too freakin' OLD for sane passengers to fly in.

    Now, okay, I'm no aeronautical engineer, but I can't imagine taking those creaky old (many older than I am; see sig) birds and doing *anything* weird with them. The whole time I was in freefall, I'd be thinking, "okay, is this going to stop, or did the wings fall off?"

    Okay, so the things would be all but unloaded, compared to hauling cargo, but still... seems like the stresses would be *different*. (Their FAQ doesn't exactly answer this straightforwardly, either.)

    Hmm. Nowhere on their website am I finding the tail number for their bird. Could be one of our 727-200's, but the airline I worked for hasn't updated its website since, well, about the time I left in 1998. Oh, wait. Nope, looks like it's Amerijet N994AJ.

    Heh. The reason the Zero-G website only shows the left side of the plane is because the right side is a Diet Rite ad.

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  79. Re:*Ahem* - You are incorrect. by pkcyll · · Score: 1

    There is a big difference between free-falling in the atmosphere and free-falling in an airplane: the air does not rush past you in the airplane and that is why it is called "zero gravity".
    When you free-fall out of an airplane, (or a balloon), after about 12 seconds you reach terminal velocity. The air friction against your fall negates the acceleration that the earth exerts on you.
    Free-falling in an airplane does not cause this as the air in the plane moves with you. Hence, for all "practical" purposes, you are experiencing zero-g.
    I know. I have experienced several 5 seconds zero-g flight simulation. Good pilots can emulate the particular flight trajectories needed.

  80. Help Wanted: Zero G Corporation by awtbfb · · Score: 1


    Post-Customer Trip Specialist
    Job code: VC-15x9
    Job duties: Return plane interior to pre-trip state, including walls, ceilings, and seats.
    Requirements: No allergies to cleaning products.

  81. Gravity is a myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space-time is curved.

  82. Re:*Ahem* - You are incorrect. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    the air does not rush past you in the airplane and that is why it is called "zero gravity"

    No, it's called FREE-FALL. ZERO GRAVITY IS AN OUTMODED TERM THAT INCORRECTLY DESCRIBES A COMPLETE LACK OF GRAVITATIONAL FORCES. YOU ARE NOT EXPERIENCING ZERO GRAVITY, YOU ARE EXPERIENCING ZERO G-FORCES. I.E. THE PLANE AND YOU ARE FALLING AT THE SAME RATE.

    Pardon me for YELLING, but you're the five hundredth ...urrrgggg... ...PERSON... to get it WRONG!!!

    Now excuse me while I go swear up a storm.

  83. Save your money by Coupons · · Score: 1

    Pardon me for being old tech, but you can have a similar experience at your local amusement park for a lot less money plus you have a shot at picking up chicks.

    If you feel the need to add to the thrill, consider that the tons of steel in your average amusement ride is assembled by minimum wage carnies - composed of felons, degenerates and illiterates - and held together with cotter-keys.

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  84. Re:*Ahem* - You are incorrect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually, he's not the hundredth person to get it wrong. the first person to get it wrong was Einstein. then everybody else after him got it wrong too.

    in fact, only you have got it right. I'm wrong too, I still believe Albert.

    everybody is wrong except you. just keep believing that. just stop yelling, it makes you look really really stupid. be quietly right. better still, be silently right, shut up and let the whole of the scientific establishment happily continue being wrong.

  85. shucks by betsywetsy · · Score: 1

    I thought that was part of the appeal?

    I went on a lame bungee-dive type thing at Magic Mountain, and was amazed - just being at that height (150 ft?) scared me SO MUCH. Had no idea I could be that scared. The falling and swooping around and stuff was totally tame and anticlimactic.

    So I've always wanted to do it again just to tweak that amazingly intense fear. That's not what people skydive for? What's the point then? (But I don't get to Magic Mountain that often - and I'm scared.)

    1. Re:shucks by renoX · · Score: 1

      It depends on the person: usually you skydive because free-falling feels very nice (nice adrenalin shoot), not at all like falling: you don't see the ground getting closer (if you are, you wayyy too low), but more like flying.

      There is a saying on the web: "If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. If you want to experience the element, get out of the vehicle." And it is very true!

  86. Bush: Let's not elect him this time either. by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    Your point about equivalence does stand, but I can still tell acceleration from old fashioned gravity. You're really talking about two different things.

    If I'm in a closed room with no outside stimuli other than some gravity-like force, there are experiments I can perform to learn something about the nature of that force.

    However if I'm in a closed room with no detectable gravity...well, you know, there are still things I can do to determine if I am in free fall or out in the middle of no where with no gravity-producing mass around.

    I take my two balls and place them in the air. If I'm free from all gravity, or in an area where opposing fields cancel out, the balls will remain stationary.

    If I am in free fall, then the balls are falling. Even through I am falling at the same rate, they will follow paths according the center of gravity and gradually get closer together. Their paths will intersect at the center of gravity. (Yes, the balls would have to be placed perfectly still and in any realistic situation it would be extremely difficult to measure by what amount the balls' paths deviate from parallel, but hey, its a thought experiment.)

    I'm not arguing the relationship between gravity and acceleration. There's a reason g is expressed in units of acceleration. But I can still distinguish the effects of free fall from the advanced effect of a machine generating a gravity field opposing earth's.

    Acceleration is not scalar. It has direction. If I'm on the Earth, two objects get closer together as they fall, moving towards the center of the Earth. If I'm in a rotating space station, two objects move apart as they fall, moving radially away from the center of rotation. (Well, that's not quite right because the acceleration is tangential to the rotation, not towards the center of rotation in sense that Earth gravity is acceleration away from the center of gravity. The point is, I can figure out I'm on a rotating space station and not on the Earth.)

    If I'm moved by straight-line acceleration with no gravitational effects, falling objects follow parallel paths. These effects still exist even if I am in free fall and stationary relative to the falling objects.

    And yes, I do have issues. Thank you for noticing. =)

    1. Re:Bush: Let's not elect him this time either. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take my two balls and place them in the air. If I'm free from all gravity, or in an area where opposing fields cancel out, the balls will remain stationary.


      Actually, they will be pulled together by their own gravitational fields.
  87. Already available in Sweden... by apanap · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Zero group has been offering 0-g flights in Kiruna, Sweden, using a special built russian air-plane since last year, and made their first "space-tourist"-flights this year in April (at least they were supposed to but I couldn't find a source actually confirming it with my 5 minutes of googling...). One of the people from there made a presentation at my university in December and said they charged ~$/4000 for it. They are also supposed to used special equipment and lighting inside the cabin to make the flight even more interesting than just having low gravity.

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    1. Re:Already available in Sweden... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well, that's one pretty slick web site, the only problem is that it is complete bogus. To the best of my knowledge they have never actually flown a flight, nor can you make a reservation for one. In addition, their whole pitch is really bizarre...sounding like something out of a bad SF movie. Aside from the fact that they just couldn't deliver the experience they describe, their whole thing about 'relaxing' in zero-g is completely ass-backwards! The real ZERO-G experience is unbelievably neat, but 'relaxing' it sure isn't!

      (On the other hand, the ice hotel whose picture they show (and where your 'xero' experience begins) is actually rather cool [ouch!] That's another experience worth doing, but probably only once, so you can say you've done it. Sleeping on a reindeer hide on a block of ice is doable, but you don't exactly get a good night's sleep!)

      (and yes, I've both stayed in the Ice Hotel and flown on the ZERO-G flight...)

  88. Is this related to "airtime" on rollercoasters? by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Is this in any way related to the "airtime" you get on a good rollercoaster?

  89. Re:*Ahem* - You are incorrect. by pkcyll · · Score: 1

    hmmm.... ok, I understand the difference. I guess zero gravity is not experienced anywhere in the universe then. I can't come up with any location in the entire universe where there is pure "zero gravity."

  90. No kidding by serutan · · Score: 1

    The zero-g test plane didn't get the nickname "Vomit Comet" for nothing. Almost EVERYBODY gets sick their first time, even the hard-core right-stuff guys.

    Notable Exception: Crista McAuliffe, the teacher killed in the Columbia shuttle explosion, was the only member of her zero-g training group who didn't barf.

    1. Re:No kidding by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "Notable Exception: Crista McAuliffe, the teacher killed in the Columbia shuttle explosion, was the only member of her zero-g training group who didn't barf."

      Crista McAuliffe was in Challenger, not Columbia. (So she never got to experience real zero G.

      The vomit comet is not perfect, it has to cope with atmospheric turbulence. if you have seen video of inside it you will know they bounce around a bit, compared to the more stable shuttle and space station zero g.

  91. Been there, done that...for free by carambola5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, not exactly for free. I put a crapload of effort into it.

    I got to fly in the the Weightless Wonder (aka V**** C****) as part of a collegiate student program this past April. All told, we flew 30 micro-g parabolas, 1 lunar parabola, and 1 martian parabola. Let me say this: roller coasters, jumping cars over hills, even piloting gliders do not come close to comparing. Even when piloting an aircraft, you don't have the ability to get up and move around...there's that darn steering part to take care of.

    For $3000, if the track record and maintenence records are clean, I would definitely do it again (granted I plan ahead for this as simply an expensive vacation). Especially since I won't have to be preoccupied with any experiments.

    Might I suggest: anyone who is in a science-based major in college should try to come up with an experiment that would yield "intriguing" results when flown in microgravity. Remember, each trial must last a maximum of 25 seconds. And the more hands-off (and more automated), the better...that just means more fun for you.

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  92. Re:*Ahem* - You are incorrect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*

    That sound means that it's time for you to get a life.

  93. In my mind i know what zero gravity feels like. by jeff+munkyfaces · · Score: 1

    would be interesting to find out if i'm actually right..

    time to start saving!

  94. Re:*Ahem* - Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've done both, and the closest you are going to get to true freefall without use of an aircraft, is scuba diving.

    That's exactly what I was going to say!

    I would argue that diving is a more pleasant experience, especially due to the normal-high-low-high swings in the aircraft. Even without puking, though, not being able to control your position or attitude kind of sucks (moreso since you need to be on your feet in 20 seconds or you're going to land hard). In the training they point out that the first thing you're going to do your first time in low-g is to hit the guy next to you as you try to 'swim' to control your attitude. It doesn't work, you just flail madly until you hit a solid object.

    Aside from control, the floating sensation you get on the airplane is very similar to floating under water (very relaxing, it's nice). You can move faster in the airplane, allowing flips and spins that don't work well under water, though.

    Skydiving, on the other hand, is very fast, very violent (for lack of a better term), and has strong forces applied to you. I don't consider it relaxing. It is absolutely nothing like a reduced-gravity aircraft.

  95. As we used to say in the 80s... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

    There *is* no gravity - the earth sucks.

  96. Re:It's the Law by thomasdelbert · · Score: 1


    Mod parent informative... that's the exact definition of "ORBIT". An object in orbit is constantly falling but moving laterally fast enough that it's always missing the earth (ie relative to the falling object, the earth is always moving out of its way).

    - Thomas;

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  97. $3000 is expensive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look here: http://www.bierl.at/parabelflug/ has been offering this for EUR 700 (USD 875) for a long time. I also know a few commercial airline pilots who do this on deadhead flights. They say the flight attendants hate it...

  98. Re:Vomit Comet by iqvoice · · Score: 1

    Who said I was anywhere near Ellington Field? I am at NASA Glenn Research Center, which is the focus of microgravity research within NASA. The KC-135 (which used to be housed at Glenn) flies up here to pick up the research modules. It's here right now.

    I think you should apologize for labeling me a troll.

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  99. Microgravity vs. skydiving by Apogaion · · Score: 1

    I have been skydiving twice (static line), and I have over two hours of accumulated zero-g time in the Vomit Comet. The two experiences are not at all similar.

    The initial sensation from jumping out of an airplane is one of complete sensory overload; your body just does not know what is happening to it, and doesn't know how to respond. After that, you're rushing towards the ground at high speed. Imagine sticking your head out the window at over 100 MPH on the freeway to get a rough idea of the feeling. With the static line, the free-fall portion of the dive lasted only a few seconds, but it was still enough to experience the feeling.

    Flying parabolas is much more calm, except that the airplane engines can be rather loud during the pull-up (1.8 g) phase. You're constantly rotating: pitching up during high g and pitching down during low g. Flying around in zero-g doesn't make you sick; rather, it's the transitions from zero to 1.8 and vice versa that make you sick. Because you alternate back and forth between the two, you actually get used to the feelings of weightlessness and heaviness pretty quickly, but that doesn't make it any less fun. My experiments required a lot of attention, and so often the primary thing that reminded me I was in zero g was the fact that I had to hold on to something to keep from floating away. The most fun thing I did was fly lengthwise down the airplane, like Superman. Spinning is a blast too.

    If you get the chance, I highly recommend trying both, as they're each unique experiences!

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