in some ways, Gecko is itself a platform. If the core gecko engine is done right, the "application" built on top of it is in effect a managed code application.
Firefox itself is Gecko running with a XUL based cross platform interface for a browser, with a level of managed code (using Javascript)
Yes, this is true of most European busines. Overall stability is far more important than a quick buck.
Look at SonyEricsson, if it was an American company, they woudl haev folded a lot time ago, withotu bothering to invest, just because they were in the "red" for a while back.
But being a Swedish/Japanese company, headquartered in the UK, it doesnt follow the same rules, and they refined their product line, and looked at the long term goal, and recently have been in the black quarter upon quarter, especially with the SE T610 phone which was by far a hot seller for a single product.
to use the LATEST IE with all the security for "free", you have to have purchased Windows XP. Having any other Windows or other OS is either not possible, or even if it is possible (IE on Linux via Wine), its not permitted.
Therefore usage of IE ties you to the License of a particular product. Indeed, installing the latest IE may even CHANGE the EULA of exisitng product.
Linux, does not require you to have a particular product. If Linux was free, but only permitted on IBM PS/2's then you have a point. But Linux does not provide any restrictions on how you USE the product, nor is there usage constraints based on the License of another product.
You can download the Windows version of Firefox, and possibly run it on Linux using Wine, as the license does not have restrictions regarding that.
I am a mozilla user, but on my SonyEricsson P800, its opera that I use.
Fits easily in the memory, and if ANYONE says, that when we have large memory, etc etc.. they have forgotton, these devices are used for things OTHER than web browsing, i personally have a massive memory store for my work, contacts, and calender. I cannot afford to loose 32MB on a web browser.
But back to the point. I do enjoy lighting, and i know for a fact girls do love discrete lighting such as this. I have used blue Cold cathodes in a similar fashion shining up onto the ceiling, together with carefull use of blacklight and ultra violet reflecting paint in certain areas can give an intresting look, and can certainly increase "the mood" when its, ahem, "needed".
Being a "geek".. i do have my computer in my room. But its a more an entertainment system, for TV, playing DVDs, Music, when its not being used for "work" and is pretty stylish, again with tasteful use of blue cathodes.
Question for the peeps out there.. I have a Wall Mounted flat panel display. And I am intrested to knwo if there is any "matchbox" computers, with no hard disk, and low power processor.. which use little power, but can display a slide show, or some sort, so my display can become a "virtual painting" when not being used as a computer. Is it possible to build one?
IE is not JUST iexplorer.exe. That is only a small stub file that loads certain COM components associated with Web browsing.
Same with EXPLORER.EXE, it is only a stub that loads the COM controls that deal with file browsing.
There are other COM modules available, such as Network browsers, Picture viewers, and in Win95, there was the easter egg COM module.
the stubs can load any of these COM modules dependent on the content being displayed. Indeed it IS possible to make a HTML COM component based on Mozilla, and the COM/ActiveX component IS available. however, it is stil not possible for the Mozilla COM module to replace IE and its trident engine in this context either.
The point I am making, is that IE is NOT tied to the OS itself, its only tied to the SHELL of the OS.
If you REALLY want to stop IE from starting, even on a Windows XP box, use Program Manager as the shell! It does work.... its progman.exe located in c:\windows\system32
I use progman.exe and Mozilla as the shell on my "guest" account of my XP box, and it works VERY nicely!;)
well actually i was trying to say, that its a lot more stable than IE, which my last "serious" experience of required me to restart it (and windows) every day! So restarting just firefox once a week is not too bad actually!
Well said... the dangers of a top heavy population can already be seen in MANY companies.
As health and life expectancy improve, the problems of a top heavy population increases.
A top heavy population together with a socialist government does help narrow the difference between rich and poor though, as money has to be better distributed. This is slowly happening in the UK, and most of western europe.
Children are a joy, and I look forward to the time me and my missus have our little gems:)
In the UK, prostitution itself is not a crime, however, other rules make it difficult for exploitation, and keep morals to a certain achievable level. If this suprises many people in the UK, what do you think these "escorts" that are advertised are?
I am a hindu, and although I rarely let religion come into any of my discussions, one point you made up is somethign that my religion preaches, which I think is a very good common sense point.
Intelligence is not a gift, it is a responsibility. Those with greater intelligence also carry a greater burden. It is up to us to care for those with less intelligence animals and other humans alike.
Unfortunately this message keeps getting lost in our current "me me" society.
IF you want Linux (or any other OS) support, get the Muvo Range.
They appear as a simple USB Mass Storage device.
You have the Muvo TX which is a flash player, or the Muvo2 which is a 4GB Mini iPod style HD player. and the HD interface on the Muvo2 is FAST ENOUGH (USB2.0) to actually use it as an external hard disk!
the Zen range use the proprietry Nomad Jukebox style communications and require additional drivers.
Wrong, Apple is ONLY making 4c per song on iTunes. It has been argued that iTunes was a loss leader to promote the iPod. if they open iTunes to other players, it may NOT be worth their intrests.
Secondly, this is NOT the original "iPod Mini" competitor. Create DID release the Muvo2 player earlier (my dad has one) its similar in size to the iPod mini, with a 4gb hard disk, and longer life REMOVABLE LiIon battery.
The product was MUCH better than the iPod Mini in sound quality and convenience.
It appeared as a removable HD (so YES it did work with Linux, provided your kernel supports standard USB disks)
Later revisions of the Muvo2 did incorporate a FM radio.
the main disadvatages of the Muvo2 is the plasticky look, and the small screen.
the Mini ZEN is similar to the Muvo2, but incorporates the style of the full size Zen player. I am not sure if the Mini Zen is going to follow the Muvo route of using a "USB Mass storage" interface, or follow the Zen/Jukebox, and have a more proprietry USB interface. However, since there is already software supporting the Zen/Jukebox for linux, i shoudl say that Linux support shoudl be good, but i do hope they use the Mass Storage interface.
I think security really does in effect boil down to the user / sysadmin. A good knowledgable user/sysadmin is far less likely to be compromised that a person who doesnt hold the qualifications. It doesnt matter whether the underlying system is Linux or Windows.
I THINK the Granparent poster is tryign to say that out of the most, a RECENT copy of Apache installed in its default settings MAY be more secure than a RECENT copy of IIS, also installed with the default settings.
However, default settings ARE insecure, and ANY sysadmin worth his/her salt, would need to apply patches, and tailor the settings to suit the security model.
I myself have used both Linux and Windows for many years. I have not had a compromise on EITHER OS, ever. I have NEVER had a virus, despite not running anti-virus software. Never had any privacy attacks (spyware, malware etc), and have chosen sensible. Althgouh my firneds get attacked every day on their windows boxen, NEITHER my Linux or WIndows boxes have gotten attacked, nor have I had ANY issues whatsoever, in regards to stability (Never had a blue screen of death or Kernal panic in over a year)
The point I am trying to make, before being flamed to peices is, a computer is only as secure as the admin. and to properly compare the security models of Linux and Windows, you would need two similarly configured boxes, with DECENT admins on both.
My box is configured in a similar way, I too use Windows primarily, though have dual boot with Linux. 1 SCSI 38GB = windows partition/Linux root partition
/ shared partition 1 SCSI 18GB = MP3 Partition/ Program Files Partition 1 SCSI 18GB = Windows Swap Drive / Linux Swap Partition / Documents / development / resources 1 IDE 180GB = Stonking storage partitioned into areas for Video Edit/Downloads/raw waves, etc.
The computer basically flies.... Thsi arrangement COULD be tuned further depending on each persons use, but this works good for me.
Tony Blair should be well reminded that New Labour got into power in 1997 not nessasarily because everyone who voted them WANTED a New Labour government, but also because many crucial labour voters wanted the Tories OUT.
However, the tides CAN turn, and if Tony pisses off enough floating UK voters, they will tactically vote HIM out too.
Even more intresting, my UK Driving License doesnt even have a photo!
When I passed back in 1994, there were NO photos on the Driving License, and the actual license is a peice of A4 size (Almost letter, for the Americans here) paper that is folded into four.
Imagine the look on the faces of American Car Hire companies when i show that when they request to see my license when I drive in the US!
Althoguh now we do have a photo License card, in-line with most otehr countries, you are not required to carry it with you whilst driving anyway. And for just routine check stops its rarely asked, i know because a few years back, I used to get stopped frequently because they thought I looked "too young" to be driving a Mercedes. But all they did was give some slight questions whilst they checked the databse, then let me go without even checking my ID.
PS, yes it was a pain that they kept stopping me, but then again, if some young joyrider nicked my car, at least I knwo the police do actually act on suspitions, and they were pretty friendly and apologetic when they stopped me.
not just "funny" but also "insightfull" because I have seen too many times when people (myself included) have gotten soo google eyed at new technology, we forget the basics, or the obvious!:)
I have the SonyEricsson P800 mobile phone, which has a memorystick slot.
Yes it is possible to use it to play movies, and i have encoded some short programs to watch on the train, but in order to do like "DVD" quality stuff, i dont really think Memory Stick is a viable media, but the conversion times/transfer times are a littel too long for my liking.
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Well said....
Just be yourself.. seriously, i dunno why many people try to be someone else just to score, when just being yourself can get some amazing time....
Rape is NOT funny.... ...Although i doubt there are many psychos here in slashdot, but still..
replying to my post.. and looking at the moderation....
erm.. and still totally at lost as to WHY someone cast me as a troll?
in some ways, Gecko is itself a platform. If the core gecko engine is done right, the "application" built on top of it is in effect a managed code application.
Firefox itself is Gecko running with a XUL based cross platform interface for a browser, with a level of managed code (using Javascript)
Yes, this is true of most European busines. Overall stability is far more important than a quick buck.
Look at SonyEricsson, if it was an American company, they woudl haev folded a lot time ago, withotu bothering to invest, just because they were in the "red" for a while back.
But being a Swedish/Japanese company, headquartered in the UK, it doesnt follow the same rules, and they refined their product line, and looked at the long term goal, and recently have been in the black quarter upon quarter, especially with the SE T610 phone which was by far a hot seller for a single product.
VERY bad analogy.
to use the LATEST IE with all the security for "free", you have to have purchased Windows XP. Having any other Windows or other OS is either not possible, or even if it is possible (IE on Linux via Wine), its not permitted.
Therefore usage of IE ties you to the License of a particular product. Indeed, installing the latest IE may even CHANGE the EULA of exisitng product.
Linux, does not require you to have a particular product. If Linux was free, but only permitted on IBM PS/2's then you have a point. But Linux does not provide any restrictions on how you USE the product, nor is there usage constraints based on the License of another product.
You can download the Windows version of Firefox, and possibly run it on Linux using Wine, as the license does not have restrictions regarding that.
So, in essence IE is NOT free.
Well said..
I am a mozilla user, but on my SonyEricsson P800, its opera that I use.
Fits easily in the memory, and if ANYONE says, that when we have large memory, etc etc.. they have forgotton, these devices are used for things OTHER than web browsing, i personally have a massive memory store for my work, contacts, and calender. I cannot afford to loose 32MB on a web browser.
Not ALL geeks have issues getting women! ;)
;)
Make sure you differentiate "Geek" with "Nerd"
But back to the point. I do enjoy lighting, and i know for a fact girls do love discrete lighting such as this. I have used blue Cold cathodes in a similar fashion shining up onto the ceiling, together with carefull use of blacklight and ultra violet reflecting paint in certain areas can give an intresting look, and can certainly increase "the mood" when its, ahem, "needed".
Being a "geek".. i do have my computer in my room. But its a more an entertainment system, for TV, playing DVDs, Music, when its not being used for "work" and is pretty stylish, again with tasteful use of blue cathodes.
Question for the peeps out there.. I have a Wall Mounted flat panel display. And I am intrested to knwo if there is any "matchbox" computers, with no hard disk, and low power processor.. which use little power, but can display a slide show, or some sort, so my display can become a "virtual painting" when not being used as a computer. Is it possible to build one?
IE is not JUST iexplorer.exe. That is only a small stub file that loads certain COM components associated with Web browsing.
;)
Same with EXPLORER.EXE, it is only a stub that loads the COM controls that deal with file browsing.
There are other COM modules available, such as Network browsers, Picture viewers, and in Win95, there was the easter egg COM module.
the stubs can load any of these COM modules dependent on the content being displayed. Indeed it IS possible to make a HTML COM component based on Mozilla, and the COM/ActiveX component IS available. however, it is stil not possible for the Mozilla COM module to replace IE and its trident engine in this context either.
The point I am making, is that IE is NOT tied to the OS itself, its only tied to the SHELL of the OS.
If you REALLY want to stop IE from starting, even on a Windows XP box, use Program Manager as the shell! It does work.... its progman.exe located in c:\windows\system32
I use progman.exe and Mozilla as the shell on my "guest" account of my XP box, and it works VERY nicely!
haha!
well actually i was trying to say, that its a lot more stable than IE, which my last "serious" experience of required me to restart it (and windows) every day! So restarting just firefox once a week is not too bad actually!
OI, not EVERY slashdot reader is a celebate! You insensitive clod!
:)
But then, not everyone has a wild missus
you *ONLY* have to shut it down once a week? :)
Well said... the dangers of a top heavy population can already be seen in MANY companies.
:)
As health and life expectancy improve, the problems of a top heavy population increases.
A top heavy population together with a socialist government does help narrow the difference between rich and poor though, as money has to be better distributed. This is slowly happening in the UK, and most of western europe.
Children are a joy, and I look forward to the time me and my missus have our little gems
In the UK, prostitution itself is not a crime, however, other rules make it difficult for exploitation, and keep morals to a certain achievable level. If this suprises many people in the UK, what do you think these "escorts" that are advertised are?
I am a hindu, and although I rarely let religion come into any of my discussions, one point you made up is somethign that my religion preaches, which I think is a very good common sense point.
Intelligence is not a gift, it is a responsibility. Those with greater intelligence also carry a greater burden. It is up to us to care for those with less intelligence animals and other humans alike.
Unfortunately this message keeps getting lost in our current "me me" society.
IF you want Linux (or any other OS) support, get the Muvo Range.
They appear as a simple USB Mass Storage device.
You have the Muvo TX which is a flash player, or the Muvo2 which is a 4GB Mini iPod style HD player. and the HD interface on the Muvo2 is FAST ENOUGH (USB2.0) to actually use it as an external hard disk!
the Zen range use the proprietry Nomad Jukebox style communications and require additional drivers.
Wrong, Apple is ONLY making 4c per song on iTunes. It has been argued that iTunes was a loss leader to promote the iPod. if they open iTunes to other players, it may NOT be worth their intrests.
Secondly, this is NOT the original "iPod Mini" competitor. Create DID release the Muvo2 player earlier (my dad has one) its similar in size to the iPod mini, with a 4gb hard disk, and longer life REMOVABLE LiIon battery.
The product was MUCH better than the iPod Mini in sound quality and convenience.
It appeared as a removable HD (so YES it did work with Linux, provided your kernel supports standard USB disks)
Later revisions of the Muvo2 did incorporate a FM radio.
the main disadvatages of the Muvo2 is the plasticky look, and the small screen.
the Mini ZEN is similar to the Muvo2, but incorporates the style of the full size Zen player. I am not sure if the Mini Zen is going to follow the Muvo route of using a "USB Mass storage" interface, or follow the Zen/Jukebox, and have a more proprietry USB interface. However, since there is already software supporting the Zen/Jukebox for linux, i shoudl say that Linux support shoudl be good, but i do hope they use the Mass Storage interface.
I am a Linux and MS user, so I will bite...
I think security really does in effect boil down to the user / sysadmin. A good knowledgable user/sysadmin is far less likely to be compromised that a person who doesnt hold the qualifications. It doesnt matter whether the underlying system is Linux or Windows.
I THINK the Granparent poster is tryign to say that out of the most, a RECENT copy of Apache installed in its default settings MAY be more secure than a RECENT copy of IIS, also installed with the default settings.
However, default settings ARE insecure, and ANY sysadmin worth his/her salt, would need to apply patches, and tailor the settings to suit the security model.
I myself have used both Linux and Windows for many years. I have not had a compromise on EITHER OS, ever. I have NEVER had a virus, despite not running anti-virus software. Never had any privacy attacks (spyware, malware etc), and have chosen sensible. Althgouh my firneds get attacked every day on their windows boxen, NEITHER my Linux or WIndows boxes have gotten attacked, nor have I had ANY issues whatsoever, in regards to stability (Never had a blue screen of death or Kernal panic in over a year)
The point I am trying to make, before being flamed to peices is, a computer is only as secure as the admin. and to properly compare the security models of Linux and Windows, you would need two similarly configured boxes, with DECENT admins on both.
My box is configured in a similar way, I too use Windows primarily, though have dual boot with Linux.
1 SCSI 38GB = windows partition/Linux root partition
/ shared partition
1 SCSI 18GB = MP3 Partition/ Program Files Partition
1 SCSI 18GB = Windows Swap Drive / Linux Swap Partition / Documents / development / resources
1 IDE 180GB = Stonking storage partitioned into areas for Video Edit/Downloads/raw waves, etc.
The computer basically flies....
Thsi arrangement COULD be tuned further depending on each persons use, but this works good for me.
dont change this. its better to do it one by one, or get new versions.
// do pre 1.0 code // do post 1.0 code
there WILL be extensions with a minimum "version" of 1.0, and this hack will break those extensions.
or if you have an extention that does:
if (application.extensions.version 1.0)
else
you will end up in big trouble.
NEVER underestimate the power of Tactical voting.
Tony Blair should be well reminded that New Labour got into power in 1997 not nessasarily because everyone who voted them WANTED a New Labour government, but also because many crucial labour voters wanted the Tories OUT.
However, the tides CAN turn, and if Tony pisses off enough floating UK voters, they will tactically vote HIM out too.
Even more intresting, my UK Driving License doesnt even have a photo!
When I passed back in 1994, there were NO photos on the Driving License, and the actual license is a peice of A4 size (Almost letter, for the Americans here) paper that is folded into four.
Imagine the look on the faces of American Car Hire companies when i show that when they request to see my license when I drive in the US!
Althoguh now we do have a photo License card, in-line with most otehr countries, you are not required to carry it with you whilst driving anyway. And for just routine check stops its rarely asked, i know because a few years back, I used to get stopped frequently because they thought I looked "too young" to be driving a Mercedes. But all they did was give some slight questions whilst they checked the databse, then let me go without even checking my ID.
PS, yes it was a pain that they kept stopping me, but then again, if some young joyrider nicked my car, at least I knwo the police do actually act on suspitions, and they were pretty friendly and apologetic when they stopped me.
There is a "Prove It" ID card that can be obtained by 18+ year olds who do not look 18, in order to buy Alcohol. Again, its entirely optional.
WELL SAID...
:)
not just "funny" but also "insightfull" because I have seen too many times when people (myself included) have gotten soo google eyed at new technology, we forget the basics, or the obvious!
I have the SonyEricsson P800 mobile phone, which has a memorystick slot.
Yes it is possible to use it to play movies, and i have encoded some short programs to watch on the train, but in order to do like "DVD" quality stuff, i dont really think Memory Stick is a viable media, but the conversion times/transfer times are a littel too long for my liking.