People are the weakest link in security. I'm just a junior workin on dual Bachelor's and then going for my master's and one thing that has remained constant, the human factor.
ya'll can argue over the best products all day long, but those products won't be as effictive or as efficient as their potential states them to be without someone at the helm who knows what they're doing.
I just thought I'd remind ya'll of the human factor in security, as this section was starting to look like a metaphorical cock fight between firewalls and such.
whether or not he could code? so what he didn't know java or c++, he did understand how networking worked, and how to use network components and the networks themselves against itself.
I think that the fact that he couldn't code yet still showed the world that networks were vulnerable to persistant attacks of such intimate nature is important and should not be taken lightly.
If he was a coder, just think about what he could have done.
Was he a script kiddie? that all depends on the definition I guess, but some people want to call him b/c he used a webbrowser for his explorations. Wait, I use a webbrowser when I explore the internet, does that make me a script kiddie, does that make any and all browser users a script kiddie?
Seriously, a coder could have done a lot more breakins, and bunch more "spectacular" and prolly would have been respected more, but who cares, the guy found a way in without needing to code; and that should be addressed.
Also, obiviously the guy had a talent for understanding networks and the perserverance to get the job done. There are many other "crackers/hackers" like that, both convicted and not yet caught. People with such talent and perserverance should be learned from, not convicted and jailed to be sitting beside murderers and rapists.
I think that picking the brains of such people would be a benefit to society, not locking them up in some shitty jailcell.
I heard that Robert T. Morris was an assistant professor at MIT, damn I'd love to learn from him, I'd love to chit chat with Mitnick, Poulsen, and many others who have show us the weaknesses in comp and network security. These are the people to learn from, not those 3 week long IT boot-camps and mindnumbing professors who are so far up their own ass its pathetic.
My former CS professor is a genius, very intelligent and inventive like these people were, and the humbleness he had and the willingness to teach rivals Yoda himself. If it wasn't for my former CS prof, I'd be dead in the water clueless.
So we should accept the fact that we need to learn from hackers/crackers not just after the attack, but by conversing with them, working with them hand in hand, instead of sending some of our most inventive minds off to jail.
how can a "W" cause so much trouble? its just ridiculous.
if I write "windows" somewhere, does that mean MS will sue me for infringement?
this type of stuff is as retarded and immature as 2 kindergarteners fighting over who peed in their pants first.
that was a decent april fools joke, should fool the nontechnical for a little while, hey someone should send it to CNN to see if it'll make TV announcement lol...
however, you're gonna have to do better to fool the technies and gurus.
aside from all the opnionated people out there saying yes it will work or no it won't work (to me they sound a bit like useless political pundits); is there anyone out there that have actually DONE it? what was the outcome?
I thought the scientific community was based on peer review, well, has anyone tried to replicate the results in the article with useable harddrive space? or is everyone just content to sit back on their rear-end and pretend to wax intellectually about the subject?
I'd just love to know if a slashdotter did this and the outcome, I can't b/c I'm leaving for the bahamas in a few hours (time to start packing:)).
will it ever stop? people definately tend to go crazy once they learn they've been owned or cracked, however this whole thing is more of a prank than terrorism.
I wonder, if I was to press one of those call button boxes here on campus for the police and just run away, if I was caught, would I be arrested for terrorism?
how about if I pulled the fire alarm in my dorm during a drunken stupor? would I be a terrorist then?
overreaction isn't good, just try overreacting when the roads are covered in snow and ice, you'll end up in a ditch.
something like this happened, I've often wondered the following:
say a die hard MS-hater CS student graduates, and is recruited by MS to become a coder for them. Instead of tellin them to go to hell, why not take their money, grab pieces of the code over time, then when its complete, upload it somewhere on a public filesharing network. But of course you wouldn't do it from work, or from home, but quite possibly by roaming around with your laptop and grabbin a free signal whenever you could.
I've often wondered why the above scenario hasn't happened, especially with the increasing dissent of MS. Not saying this a plan or anything like that, just wondered how come it hasn't happened.
btw, to find the source to which you seek, search and ye shall find.:)
looks like a few people straddle the fence when it comes to using the DarkSide to help the Force.
However, in my humble opinion, they might as well go on ahead do RIAA as well.
I know that I'll have a few windows boxes up and runnin just to see if I can "catch" this nasty little bugger of a bug.
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People are the weakest link in security. I'm just a junior workin on dual Bachelor's and then going for my master's and one thing that has remained constant, the human factor.
ya'll can argue over the best products all day long, but those products won't be as effictive or as efficient as their potential states them to be without someone at the helm who knows what they're doing.
I just thought I'd remind ya'll of the human factor in security, as this section was starting to look like a metaphorical cock fight between firewalls and such.
whether or not he could code? so what he didn't know java or c++, he did understand how networking worked, and how to use network components and the networks themselves against itself. I think that the fact that he couldn't code yet still showed the world that networks were vulnerable to persistant attacks of such intimate nature is important and should not be taken lightly. If he was a coder, just think about what he could have done. Was he a script kiddie? that all depends on the definition I guess, but some people want to call him b/c he used a webbrowser for his explorations. Wait, I use a webbrowser when I explore the internet, does that make me a script kiddie, does that make any and all browser users a script kiddie? Seriously, a coder could have done a lot more breakins, and bunch more "spectacular" and prolly would have been respected more, but who cares, the guy found a way in without needing to code; and that should be addressed. Also, obiviously the guy had a talent for understanding networks and the perserverance to get the job done. There are many other "crackers/hackers" like that, both convicted and not yet caught. People with such talent and perserverance should be learned from, not convicted and jailed to be sitting beside murderers and rapists. I think that picking the brains of such people would be a benefit to society, not locking them up in some shitty jailcell. I heard that Robert T. Morris was an assistant professor at MIT, damn I'd love to learn from him, I'd love to chit chat with Mitnick, Poulsen, and many others who have show us the weaknesses in comp and network security. These are the people to learn from, not those 3 week long IT boot-camps and mindnumbing professors who are so far up their own ass its pathetic. My former CS professor is a genius, very intelligent and inventive like these people were, and the humbleness he had and the willingness to teach rivals Yoda himself. If it wasn't for my former CS prof, I'd be dead in the water clueless. So we should accept the fact that we need to learn from hackers/crackers not just after the attack, but by conversing with them, working with them hand in hand, instead of sending some of our most inventive minds off to jail.
how can a "W" cause so much trouble? its just ridiculous. if I write "windows" somewhere, does that mean MS will sue me for infringement? this type of stuff is as retarded and immature as 2 kindergarteners fighting over who peed in their pants first.
that was a decent april fools joke, should fool the nontechnical for a little while, hey someone should send it to CNN to see if it'll make TV announcement lol... however, you're gonna have to do better to fool the technies and gurus.
aside from all the opnionated people out there saying yes it will work or no it won't work (to me they sound a bit like useless political pundits); is there anyone out there that have actually DONE it? what was the outcome? I thought the scientific community was based on peer review, well, has anyone tried to replicate the results in the article with useable harddrive space? or is everyone just content to sit back on their rear-end and pretend to wax intellectually about the subject? I'd just love to know if a slashdotter did this and the outcome, I can't b/c I'm leaving for the bahamas in a few hours (time to start packing :)).
will it ever stop? people definately tend to go crazy once they learn they've been owned or cracked, however this whole thing is more of a prank than terrorism. I wonder, if I was to press one of those call button boxes here on campus for the police and just run away, if I was caught, would I be arrested for terrorism? how about if I pulled the fire alarm in my dorm during a drunken stupor? would I be a terrorist then? overreaction isn't good, just try overreacting when the roads are covered in snow and ice, you'll end up in a ditch.
something like this happened, I've often wondered the following: say a die hard MS-hater CS student graduates, and is recruited by MS to become a coder for them. Instead of tellin them to go to hell, why not take their money, grab pieces of the code over time, then when its complete, upload it somewhere on a public filesharing network. But of course you wouldn't do it from work, or from home, but quite possibly by roaming around with your laptop and grabbin a free signal whenever you could. I've often wondered why the above scenario hasn't happened, especially with the increasing dissent of MS. Not saying this a plan or anything like that, just wondered how come it hasn't happened. btw, to find the source to which you seek, search and ye shall find. :)
Hey, someone start one up, I'm in.
looks like a few people straddle the fence when it comes to using the DarkSide to help the Force. However, in my humble opinion, they might as well go on ahead do RIAA as well. I know that I'll have a few windows boxes up and runnin just to see if I can "catch" this nasty little bugger of a bug.