> I think the fairest thing is to do what many cell phone plans do; namely, > metered or capped usage during peak hours, and free access off-peak. If a > user is savvy enough to schedule iso downloads or watch video off-peak, > it shouldn't cost him much since that traffic truly is nearly free.
And, by the way, this is what would happen. Tools would be developed by smart people to allow users to easily schedule retrieval of content at opportune times. It would have a smoothing effect on the peaks.
It's amazing what market forces can do when we actually use prices to reflect, you know, the cost of things.
> If you use 10,000 gallons of water, it inherently prevents anyone else from > using that 10,000 gallons of water, and it is irrelevant when you use them.
If the market rate for loaning the money is 18% and the government offers it to you for 5%, that is a subsidy. If that saves you $1m over the life of the loan, that is EXACTLY the same as the government giving you $1m as a gift in small increments over the life of the loan.
Secondly, you do NOT have to pay back loans under a number of circumstances. If Tesla's business model ends up being bunk, the government will not get its money back. Otherwise, there would be no risk and the interest on the loan would only match the opportunity cost and have no risk component.
Here's the rub: there would be no need for this whatsoever if the government got out of subsidizing Tesla's competitors. If Tesla couldn't make it work in a competitive market, then that's that.
> I find comfort in believing that the sample of opinions posted online isn't > representative of the total population since it suffer from a sort of > volunteer bias, where the people with the most outrageous opinions have the > greater will to express those opinions to a bunch of strangers.
You may be right about the bias, but that does NOT imply that the opinions are not representative.
> Either that, or we ARE surrounded by ignorant, illogical, paranoid, > quasi-literate, parochial, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, racist, > anti-intellectual believers in UFOs and are all screwed.
I think this is likely. Read books on modern belief in religion. Things that you and I would laugh at and thought were things of the past (as in, the 1700s) are still alive and well in the rural US.
Interesting point. But have you considered that long-staying languages discourage hardware changes, too? How many companies or governments do you know that are shelling out millions to ditch their mainframe system in favor of server clusters, and needing to rewrite all their software in the process? There's something to be said about software that turns over at the same rate as hardware evolves.
I never said anything about voting for McCain. I am talking only about your delusion that you picked a guy who is better in some measurable sense. You're protecting your own psyche and not reflecting reality.
There's a few ex-KGB people who insist that this is the result of years of infiltration by the Soviets into our education and political systems. I'm not sure whether I buy it, but it's hard to ignore that the result would be the same.
> Begin broken record mode: The only way to get real improvement from > Obama (or from Bush, for that matter,) is to mobilize the public to > control the government. No elected leader is going to do this for > us as a gift, we have to maintain the pressure constantly.
What possible motivation do they have to listen to us? All they have to do is be not as bad as the other guy next election.
> "public-private partnerships" in which the government partners with > a private entity to give it money with minimal oversight and much > righteous rhetoric.)
Great call. If there's anything I know, it's that the federal government is the bastion of education theory and implementation, so we should definitely make sure they are calling the shots. If there's one more thing I know, it's that if you want high quality and innovation in an area, make sure to establish a government monopoly.
> And I'm sure Obama has not delivered from progressives on a dozen > other fronts
Well, thanks for taking a completely non-partisan issue and making it partisan.
Who cares if gitmo is being shut down? The POINT of that suggestion is to stop detaining people without due process. Shutting down gitmo and moving them to another facility is a meaningless activity if not paired with a plan to only detain people who are guilty!
Your post is hilarious. Just look back at the slashdot comments from the left during the campaign. You're just as bad as Obama himself; say one thing during the campaign and a completely different thing once elected.
And "Stay the Course" McCain? You mean like staying in Iraq for years, continuing bailouts, acting above the law, etc? Glad we didn't get any of that!
So, I've never served in any uniformed service, but I would suspect that if I had and I had been over to Iraq, I would pretty much want to kill you right now.
Decency? We train the boy who grew up next door to you to mechanically react to situations and kill as many "hostiles" (not humans) as possible. You kill them or they kill you. Why are you over there risking your life? Because of Saddam. Why did your buddy blow up into 20 pieces yesterday? Because of Saddam. Whether it's true or not, this is what we drill into these guys. And you're telling me that you are shocked that once we capture Saddam we did things like mock him by making him watch the South Park movie?
Decency? It's fucking war, dude. It's blowing your neighbor up, shooting the former English teacher between the eyes, dehumanizing the enemy (because how else do you deal with killing so many and still be somewhat normal?).
Decency? I'd imagine you've got to be kidding me. The way to be decent would have been to stay out of Iraq in the first place. If we can't do that, I don't know how you can expect any level of decency.
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Did you file a complaint against the teacher?
> I think the fairest thing is to do what many cell phone plans do; namely,
> metered or capped usage during peak hours, and free access off-peak. If a
> user is savvy enough to schedule iso downloads or watch video off-peak,
> it shouldn't cost him much since that traffic truly is nearly free.
And, by the way, this is what would happen. Tools would be developed by smart people to allow users to easily schedule retrieval of content at opportune times. It would have a smoothing effect on the peaks.
It's amazing what market forces can do when we actually use prices to reflect, you know, the cost of things.
> If you use 10,000 gallons of water, it inherently prevents anyone else from
> using that 10,000 gallons of water, and it is irrelevant when you use them.
Perhaps you missed that day in 3rd grade... http://cd7.e2bn.net/e2bn/leas/c99/schools/cd7/website/images/bp-watercycle2.jpg
Both bandwidth and water are finite only within a particular time period.
> Meanwhile the cost of the good is sold at an undervalued price, so people
> aren't motivated to conserve like they would otherwise be.
Also a good point!
Sure. Belief in something that cannot be proven. This applies both to "There is a God" and "There is no God".
mod. parent. up.
I share your emotion.
Um, couple things.
If the market rate for loaning the money is 18% and the government offers it to you for 5%, that is a subsidy. If that saves you $1m over the life of the loan, that is EXACTLY the same as the government giving you $1m as a gift in small increments over the life of the loan.
Secondly, you do NOT have to pay back loans under a number of circumstances. If Tesla's business model ends up being bunk, the government will not get its money back. Otherwise, there would be no risk and the interest on the loan would only match the opportunity cost and have no risk component.
Here's the rub: there would be no need for this whatsoever if the government got out of subsidizing Tesla's competitors. If Tesla couldn't make it work in a competitive market, then that's that.
someone's been reading Schneier!
You fail. Atheism is just another religion. Parent is talking about the elimination of religious influence, which would be agnosticism.
That's not new. You can't control who calls you either.
Aside from that, I don't think it's the 24kb flash file that is pushing you over the 70GB/mo threshold.
> I find comfort in believing that the sample of opinions posted online isn't
> representative of the total population since it suffer from a sort of
> volunteer bias, where the people with the most outrageous opinions have the
> greater will to express those opinions to a bunch of strangers.
You may be right about the bias, but that does NOT imply that the opinions are not representative.
> Either that, or we ARE surrounded by ignorant, illogical, paranoid,
> quasi-literate, parochial, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, racist,
> anti-intellectual believers in UFOs and are all screwed.
I think this is likely. Read books on modern belief in religion. Things that you and I would laugh at and thought were things of the past (as in, the 1700s) are still alive and well in the rural US.
> Then, over in the fish isle
People like you are why I never shop on the islands.
> Anyone expecting privacy on these systems is a fool. It's not like either of
> these companies is regulated in any way
Amen. As we know, telephone companies that area regulated would never compromise their users' privacy.
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Hello,
I work for the NSA and we are recruiting for a currently classified project. Could we give you a call?
> Probably forbidden by international treaties
Sorry, you must not have read the article. We're talking about the US.
Interesting point. But have you considered that long-staying languages discourage hardware changes, too? How many companies or governments do you know that are shelling out millions to ditch their mainframe system in favor of server clusters, and needing to rewrite all their software in the process? There's something to be said about software that turns over at the same rate as hardware evolves.
Sorry... have you actually seen a typical mainframe screen? How can you possibly say that's usable?
Great analogy, except your decision to see only those choices is what keeps only those two choices available to you.
I never said anything about voting for McCain. I am talking only about your delusion that you picked a guy who is better in some measurable sense. You're protecting your own psyche and not reflecting reality.
There's a few ex-KGB people who insist that this is the result of years of infiltration by the Soviets into our education and political systems. I'm not sure whether I buy it, but it's hard to ignore that the result would be the same.
> Begin broken record mode: The only way to get real improvement from
> Obama (or from Bush, for that matter,) is to mobilize the public to
> control the government. No elected leader is going to do this for
> us as a gift, we have to maintain the pressure constantly.
What possible motivation do they have to listen to us? All they have to do is be not as bad as the other guy next election.
> "public-private partnerships" in which the government partners with
> a private entity to give it money with minimal oversight and much
> righteous rhetoric.)
Great call. If there's anything I know, it's that the federal government is the bastion of education theory and implementation, so we should definitely make sure they are calling the shots. If there's one more thing I know, it's that if you want high quality and innovation in an area, make sure to establish a government monopoly.
> And I'm sure Obama has not delivered from progressives on a dozen
> other fronts
Well, thanks for taking a completely non-partisan issue and making it partisan.
Who cares if gitmo is being shut down? The POINT of that suggestion is to stop detaining people without due process. Shutting down gitmo and moving them to another facility is a meaningless activity if not paired with a plan to only detain people who are guilty!
Your post is hilarious. Just look back at the slashdot comments from the left during the campaign. You're just as bad as Obama himself; say one thing during the campaign and a completely different thing once elected.
And "Stay the Course" McCain? You mean like staying in Iraq for years, continuing bailouts, acting above the law, etc? Glad we didn't get any of that!
> What happened to decency?
So, I've never served in any uniformed service, but I would suspect that if I had and I had been over to Iraq, I would pretty much want to kill you right now.
Decency? We train the boy who grew up next door to you to mechanically react to situations and kill as many "hostiles" (not humans) as possible. You kill them or they kill you. Why are you over there risking your life? Because of Saddam. Why did your buddy blow up into 20 pieces yesterday? Because of Saddam. Whether it's true or not, this is what we drill into these guys. And you're telling me that you are shocked that once we capture Saddam we did things like mock him by making him watch the South Park movie?
Decency? It's fucking war, dude. It's blowing your neighbor up, shooting the former English teacher between the eyes, dehumanizing the enemy (because how else do you deal with killing so many and still be somewhat normal?).
Decency? I'd imagine you've got to be kidding me. The way to be decent would have been to stay out of Iraq in the first place. If we can't do that, I don't know how you can expect any level of decency.
Did yelling at other people make you feel like a better person?