Microsoft doesn't get it???? No. SUN doesn't get it. At least Microsoft sticks to its guns. At last Microsoft does a good job with what they do... selling crappy proprietary software.
SUN on the other hand is much more scary if you are a Free Software advocate. Microsoft won't lie to you. SUN will say one thing and then stab you in the back.
Case in point. Java. SUN has said for years that they were going to push Java through a standards committee. Hasn't happened. Doesn't look like it will ever become Open Source/Free Software either.
dotNet or sunOne.... the are both just another proprietary software play. Don't be fooled.
I an tired of these press releases. Every closed source company now thinks it is great to announce a "partnership" with some Open Source company. WHY?!
Don't they realized that the code base is Open Source/Free Software. They can just download the code and then install it as default under HP UX. Why do they feel the need to create a press release and then spam everyone with this information.
The OSS companies like Eazel and HelixCode^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HXimian think it is great because it increases their "value" I guess.
This does not qualify as "news for nerds". Maybe news for marketing droids.
Protozilla wasn't released by Mozilla. It was released by MozDev.org via the Alphanumerica/Collab.net merger. They have been pushing Mozilla stuff ever since.
Protozilla is great stuff. There is some really cool stuff you can do. For example you can write javascript or a bash script within Mozilla to do crazy stuff.
I created a cups:// protocol for the Common Unix Printing System. Basically since cups runs on a non-standard port I can just do a :
cups://localhost
which is cleaner IMO.
There are some significant security concepts here. Your web application could use XPCOM and XSLT to build a full web application BUT use different users to request subsets of the same content.
For example... My primary psuedonym could request the first part of my document (cars) then on the second part it could request contra-band like DeCSS et al. This without having my car psuedonym exposed.
I feel your pain. I too have had huge problems with ISPs either not believing me or not listening to reason. I spent 7 hours (at least) on the phone with Earthlink (7 hours is much less than it takes to get another DSL provider) trying to fix a problem with their PPP servers. I was doing protocol analysis so I was *certain* what the problem was. The bad thing is that it was *very* technically complicated and not on one of their check sheets for their techs.
The point is that there is nothing we can do about this. I am sure there are a lot of *really* smart people here. The problem is that tech support people have to deal with a lot of Microsoft Morons so they just assume we are in the same category.
What is really needed is a way for a geek to say "I have mad Kung Fu and have a Black Belt in Network Engineering" and they would say... "oh... excuse me... I will connect you to our third tier tech support right now". Of course that is not realistic. But what they could do is keep track of people with mad Kung Fu so they can go right through the line.
If an ISP would do this it would SERIOUSLY increase their business. All the geeks would subscribe to their services because they don't want to deal with other ISPs. It would also increase their reliability because they would have *really* smart people fixing their network problems for free! Open Source ISP!:)
Somehow that is logical so I assume it will never happen. God forbid any Western country undertand Zen philosophy!
What most people don't realize is that most of the REALLY smart geeks from the 'Valley live in San Francisco. I would LOVE to see the loss of income associated with shutting down a city with such a productive population.
The Internet is just starting. The main problem that there are a LOT of stupid companies that have business models that won't work (IE free computers??) and compannies still don't use Open Source everywhere (yes... some people still write non-Free software). Once people get past the fact that Intellectual Property really doesn't exist (it exists but you can't hold it oversomeone like Microsoft) we can do some AMAZING stuff.
If you really want to see some cool stuff. Check out http://mojonation.com, http://freenet.sourceforge.net http://www.openprivacy.org. This is where the real innovation is going on!:)
Check out Apache Jetspeed . We are working on version 1.2 right now and it will include Project Management and iCalendar support. Should be just wnat you need. Expect about a week or so for version 1.2.
I realize that Slashdot/Andover have a lot of legal issues here, and it is a position that I would hate to be in.
However, if things work out it could lead to some very eye opening experiences.
First off from a technical stand point. I am very excited that the Kerberos issue is now a public issue. I realize that there is a lot of smart people within Microsoft (I know a lot of nice MS people). There are also a lot of *evil* people that seem to get promoted and talk about their freedom to "innovate" (which up until now they have failed to do.
The issue with Kerberos is important because they broke an *Open* standard and made the diff proprietary. It might be interesting to add a licensing clause to Open Standard licensing agreements, "if you break it, you must republish the diff and a reason why you wanted to break it". This would be a GPL clause for an Open Standard.
The second is UCITA and the freedom of speech issue. Obviously if Microsoft wanted the freedom to innovate they would have published the diff to their changes to Kerberos so that we could help them improve the code and give them *public* feedback. But no. They would rather take away our freedoms so that they can maintain their monopoly based on the *old* rules.
The other issue is that companies in general can just be really *thick* headed and need public exposure when they do stupid evil things. There are *nice* people within every company, fighting against the stupid/evil ones. I do this in my day job some times. This type of public information helps give the nice/smart ones ammunition against the evil ones.
Anyway. In general I think that MS is an evil company and deserve everything they get.
Maybe we should name BSD releases after Star Trek and Vice versa: BSD: The Next Generation BSD: Boyager BSD: Deep BSD 9 or Trusted Star Trek or Open Star Trek:)
Yes. However, this doesn't deserve an award. The GUI was developed by Symantec in the early 90's. They had a product for DOS named Norton Commander and MC is a clone of NC... get it.:)
Anyway. If anyone deserves the award it is an Engineer at Symantec.
Check out Apache JetSpeed (http://java.apache.org/jetspeed)
It is a thin client (HTML 4.0, JavaScript/DHTML, and DOM) that is a Groupware/Portal application.
I think it has what you are looking for and solves all your problems. It doesn't use Java on the frontend but solves the rich-client problem by using DHTML.
I have started an Open Source project named SearchLight. Its goals are to be a combination of a Personal Portal/MS Exchange/Lotus Notes thing. It is going to be 100% Java with JSP and an embeded SQL Database as the data store. It is making decent progress but considering I work for a Startup it is kind of hard.
I am actually fairly close to having a decent product. I am seeking volunteers to port some ASP applications (yuk) over to JSP. Right now I have a ASP NNTP/POP3/Notes/Problems Management/and Tasks code. All that would be necessary is to port these over to JSP and we would be done.
Slashdot Mirror
Awesome... but stallman already invented this. It is called the GPL.
Microsoft doesn't get it???? No. SUN doesn't get it. At least Microsoft sticks to its guns. At last Microsoft does a good job with what they do... selling crappy proprietary software.
SUN on the other hand is much more scary if you are a Free Software advocate. Microsoft won't lie to you. SUN will say one thing and then stab you in the back.
Case in point. Java. SUN has said for years that they were going to push Java through a standards committee. Hasn't happened. Doesn't look like it will ever become Open Source/Free Software either.
dotNet or sunOne.... the are both just another proprietary software play. Don't be fooled.
Kevin
OK.
This was a bad hack. A good hack is supposed to *only* broaden the mind. This caused shipping to slow down and someone could have been hurt.
Please people. If you are going to do something like this make sure it won't hurt anyone or cost money.
... I also live about 2 miles from the Golden Gate... would have been cool to walk down and check it out.
I an tired of these press releases. Every closed source company now thinks it is great to announce a "partnership" with some Open Source company. WHY?!
Don't they realized that the code base is Open Source/Free Software. They can just download the code and then install it as default under HP UX. Why do they feel the need to create a press release and then spam everyone with this information.
The OSS companies like Eazel and HelixCode^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HXimian think it is great because it increases their "value" I guess.
This does not qualify as "news for nerds". Maybe news for marketing droids.
</rant>
Protozilla wasn't released by Mozilla. It was released by MozDev.org via the Alphanumerica/Collab.net merger. They have been pushing Mozilla stuff ever since.
Protozilla is great stuff. There is some really cool stuff you can do. For example you can write javascript or a bash script within Mozilla to do crazy stuff.
I created a cups:// protocol for the Common Unix Printing System. Basically since cups runs on a non-standard port I can just do a :
cups://localhost
which is cleaner IMO.
There are some significant security concepts here. Your web application could use XPCOM and XSLT to build a full web application BUT use different users to request subsets of the same content.
For example... My primary psuedonym could request the first part of my document (cars) then on the second part it could request contra-band like DeCSS et al. This without having my car psuedonym exposed.
Good stuff. Here comes the semantic web!
I feel your pain. I too have had huge problems with ISPs either not believing me or not listening to reason. I spent 7 hours (at least) on the phone with Earthlink (7 hours is much less than it takes to get another DSL provider) trying to fix a problem with their PPP servers. I was doing protocol analysis so I was *certain* what the problem was. The bad thing is that it was *very* technically complicated and not on one of their check sheets for their techs.
:)
The point is that there is nothing we can do about this. I am sure there are a lot of *really* smart people here. The problem is that tech support people have to deal with a lot of Microsoft Morons so they just assume we are in the same category.
What is really needed is a way for a geek to say "I have mad Kung Fu and have a Black Belt in Network Engineering" and they would say... "oh... excuse me... I will connect you to our third tier tech support right now". Of course that is not realistic. But what they could do is keep track of people with mad Kung Fu so they can go right through the line.
If an ISP would do this it would SERIOUSLY increase their business. All the geeks would subscribe to their services because they don't want to deal with other ISPs. It would also increase their reliability because they would have *really* smart people fixing their network problems for free! Open Source ISP!
Somehow that is logical so I assume it will never happen. God forbid any Western country undertand Zen philosophy!
What most people don't realize is that most of the REALLY smart geeks from the 'Valley live in San Francisco. I would LOVE to see the loss of income associated with shutting down a city with such a productive population.
Ug.
In a word "NO!"
:)
The Internet is just starting. The main problem that there are a LOT of stupid companies that have business models that won't work (IE free computers??) and compannies still don't use Open Source everywhere (yes... some people still write non-Free software). Once people get past the fact that Intellectual Property really doesn't exist (it exists but you can't hold it oversomeone like Microsoft) we can do some AMAZING stuff.
If you really want to see some cool stuff. Check out http://mojonation.com, http://freenet.sourceforge.net http://www.openprivacy.org. This is where the real innovation is going on!
Kaaahhhhhhnnnn!!!!!!!!!
Check out Apache Jetspeed . We are working on version 1.2 right now and it will include Project Management and iCalendar support. Should be just wnat you need. Expect about a week or so for version 1.2.
Kevin
I realize that Slashdot/Andover have a lot of legal issues here, and it is a position that I would hate to be in.
However, if things work out it could lead to some very eye opening experiences.
First off from a technical stand point. I am very excited that the Kerberos issue is now a public issue. I realize that there is a lot of smart people within Microsoft (I know a lot of nice MS people). There are also a lot of *evil* people that seem to get promoted and talk about their freedom to "innovate" (which up until now they have failed to do.
The issue with Kerberos is important because they broke an *Open* standard and made the diff proprietary. It might be interesting to add a licensing clause to Open Standard licensing agreements, "if you break it, you must republish the diff and a reason why you wanted to break it". This would be a GPL clause for an Open Standard.
The second is UCITA and the freedom of speech issue. Obviously if Microsoft wanted the freedom to innovate they would have published the diff to their changes to Kerberos so that we could help them improve the code and give them *public* feedback. But no. They would rather take away our freedoms so that they can maintain their monopoly based on the *old* rules.
The other issue is that companies in general can just be really *thick* headed and need public exposure when they do stupid evil things. There are *nice* people within every company, fighting against the stupid/evil ones. I do this in my day job some times. This type of public information helps give the nice/smart ones ammunition against the evil ones.
Anyway. In general I think that MS is an evil company and deserve everything they get.
- burtonator
Maybe we should name BSD releases after Star Trek and Vice versa: BSD: The Next Generation BSD: Boyager BSD: Deep BSD 9 or Trusted Star Trek or Open Star Trek :)
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Yes. However, this doesn't deserve an award. The GUI was developed by Symantec in the early 90's. They had a product for DOS named Norton Commander and MC is a clone of NC... get it. :)
Anyway. If anyone deserves the award it is an Engineer at Symantec.
Kevin
So... James Gosling has a patent on "translucent" dialog boxes. It is on IBM's patent site.
Maybe someone should put the smack down on Apple!!!
Check out Apache JetSpeed (http://java.apache.org/jetspeed)
It is a thin client (HTML 4.0, JavaScript/DHTML, and DOM) that is a Groupware/Portal application.
I think it has what you are looking for and solves all your problems. It doesn't use Java on the frontend but solves the rich-client problem by using DHTML.
Kevin
Yes... sooo pathetic. I don't care.. they will fail.
Then don't to it!
I think you are missing one major key to Open Source. It is not *my* project. It is FREE!
Go back to sleep. You are right it is better to be part of the problem then part of the solution!
Anonymous Coward indeed!
I have started an Open Source project named SearchLight. Its goals are to be a combination of a Personal Portal/MS Exchange/Lotus Notes thing. It is going to be 100% Java with JSP and an embeded SQL Database as the data store. It is making decent progress but considering I work for a Startup it is kind of hard.
I am actually fairly close to having a decent product. I am seeking volunteers to port some ASP applications (yuk) over to JSP. Right now I have a ASP NNTP/POP3/Notes/Problems Management/and Tasks code. All that would be necessary is to port these over to JSP and we would be done.
Any volunteers?
Check it out: http://relativity.yi.org/SearchLight