Although, if you run Gentoo on a PlayStation 2, you'll be using a USB mouse.:)
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Linux is portable...so porting it to a PS2 (or a sufficiently advanced toaster) is just a matter of exercising the will to do so. Not a surprise that it was done...Gentoo or otherwise, one distro or another eventually would have done it.
As far as porting the Linux kernel to the PS2, though, it's not quite that simple. Linux in general is not as portable as you might think, and it's a major pain on the PS2. First some background:
It's impossible to run Linux on stock PS2 hardware. Why? It's because the stock PS2 DVD-ROM drive is unable to physically read anything other than the Sony proprietary game-disc format, audio CDs, and DVDs. The drive has been specifically designed in hardware to be unable to read CD-Rs, CD-RWs, DVD-recordables, etc. in an attempt to keep people from pirating games. Note that you can get a MOD chip to get around this limitation, however, that is a moot point, because...
The way you run Linux on a PS2 is to purchase the Linux Kit from Sony. This kit comes with a bootable Sony proprietary DVD-ROM that loads a hardware adaptation layer upon which the Linux kernel can run. This disc is required to run Linux on the PS2, and all of the kernels for PS2 use the hardware interfaces provided by the runtime environmrent on this disc. The kit comes with a modified version of RedHat that contains a 2.2 kernel. TMK, Sony has never upgraded this, nor do they have any plans to, as the kit is purely for hobby-oriented development of PS2 games and for becoming familiar with the hardware.
Now, that being said, there has been an attempt to upgrade the stock 2.2 kernel to the 2.4 kernel. However, it has been a slow process. Why? It's because of various incompatibilities with GCC, the Linux kernel code, and the PS2's odd version of a MIPS processor. In other words, a lot of the kernel code needs to be ported by hand, and is rather difficult. So far the xRhino project has succedeed in upgrading the 2.2.1 kernel to a 2.2.21 kernel, but they have not gotten further than that.
It does irritate me that nobody seems to notice that the old testament isn't supposed to apply anyway.
It still applies. In the Bible, after Jesus forgives someone for a wrong that they have committed, he would always admonish them with, "And no more sinning." Jewish law still applies.
This is a running joke that has been going on for a very long time. BSD's imminent death has been greatly exaggerated more than once, and this joke is poking fun at that fact. On Slashdot, this has evolved into a troll, which you can find information about in quite a few places.
Everything2 has some general information on "BSD is dying".
Wikipedia has this to say about BSD is dying:
*BSD is dying
Quite frequently (especially for BSD-related stories) a comment will be posted providing dubious statistics and many links detailing the forthcoming death of the BSD operating system. With its bogus statistics and inflammatory language the original "*BSD is dying" troll was enormously successful, and was still guaranteed to generate responses years after it first appeared. Unsurprisingly many variants of this troll were created: Slashdot/VA Linux/Linux/Beos/Apple is dying. None were as successful as the original.
I'm not convinced that this is the case, however, because there are some earlier examples of this joke (not the troll necessarily, but off-color remarks).
The earliest reference I can find was in 1992, and may be one explaniation of the phenomenom: Responses to survey on the death of BSD
There was an article in an online magazine in 1999 that said some disparaging things about BSD's license that may have something to do with phenomenom.
I could not find the article, but it is mentioned here: Debian wants to use FreeBSD kernel
There is an interesting side note concering the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
The name, which in the eighteenth century was used to mean "republic", can be traced to the second draft of the state Constitution, written by John Adams in 1780. The people had overwhelmingly rejected the first draft of the Constitution in 1778, and in that draft the name "State of Massachusetts-Bay" had been used. Perhaps to make it clear that the second document was altogether different from the first, Adams changed this to "Commonwealth of Massachusetts".
Massachusetts thus became the only state in the Union to change its name.
-- Flags of the World
The original two commonwealths were Massachusetts and Virginia.
No, unfortunately, I don't have any links. This has been part of my problems as well.
However, from my experience, I can tell you this:
On the whole, Linksys' wired routers seem to interoperate well with other products. At least they work with my Netgear and Sony ethernet cards.
Linksys' wireless routers operate fine with my built in Dell TrueMobile 1180 (which is a Broadcom chipset), with or without WEP.
Linksys' wireless cards seem to operate fine with their own router products with or without WEP.
The Linksys WPS11 Wireless Print Server does not support IPP. Using IPP will crash the product. The box claims it does support IPP.
The Linksys WET11 Wireless Ethernet Bridge does not handle fragmented packets when WET is turned on. Sending fragmented packets will eventually crash the WET11. The side of the box claims WEP compatibility.
The Linksys BEFCMU10 cable modem works flawlessly.
That's what I've experienced so far with my system. I'm sorry I can't give you a link.
they're restricting me or anyone else from printing the exact bible for use.
They're copyrighting a translation that they spent the money and time to make. They also copyright the maps they make. The planet is in the public domain, why are maps copyrighted?
Why shouldn't translators be paid for their hard work? I've paid the makers of the NASB, NIV, and NRSB, because I like the translation that they have created. This is not to say that my religion requires me to purchase a bible. It doesn't. I don't even have to own a bible to be a Christian.
anyone cannot print a bible, they can print a version of the bible that is in the public domain due to it being 100+ years old. there is a restriction.
That's just not true. Anyone can print a bible. You can print a public domain version, or you can translate the bible yourself from the Septuagint or other early translation and print it. These two choices don't require you to pay anyone.
If you want to print a specific translation, yes, you have to purchase a translation from one of the groups that create translations (a translation that those groups spent time and money putting together). As for it being a restriction, it isn't. Did you know that different publishing companies print the same translation? For instance, there are several different companies that print the NIV translation of the bible. Even with a copyright on the translation, the word of God doesn't seem to have an issue getting out to people (as can be shown by the sheer number of NIV printings by different companies that there are).
Considering how many different Christian religions that there are, I find it hard to believe that this type of "restriction" amounts to anything.
it's not just a song, to christians it's a praise to the lord. the song writers are restricting use of that praise by using existing copyright laws. they're profiting and protecting their works and limiting the praise of the lord.
Now come on, that's just ridiculous. I fail to see how song copyrights limit praising the Lord. There are several Christian bands that offer praise to the Lord, too. Should they not be able to receive payment for their work?
I remember that you had to pull one of the RAM chips and transfer it to the board
Except for the one made by Applied Engineering.
You could just plug it into the language card slot (slot 0), and go! No icky chip transfer necessary.
Man, those guys were the BEST!
Booting an Apple ][ with vanilla DOS 3.3 off a floppy took a while.
Not true. A DOS 3.3 master disk took less than 3 seconds to boot. A ProDOS disk took slightly longer.
The reason that many newbies thought it took so long was because the default "Hello" program on the DOS 3.3 disk would check which version of basic was in ROM, and load the alternative one. This took up to 30 seconds, but occurred after the OS was loaded. Most people disabled this by creating their own "Hello" program or removing it entirely.
And yes, I could always tell exactly what DOS was doing just from the sound of the drive.
Are the editor's standards different than they were 50 years ago, possible preventing new writers from getting into SF?
Did the space operas from the 40's and 50's have a wider appeal because they were more simplistic than what we have today (10 cent plot - guy flies spaceship, frees enslaved planet from evil guy, gets girl)?
Is mainstream fiction a better competitor nowadays (more books, better writers, availability of controversial subject matter)?
Is the Harry Potter phenomenon and release of Lord of The Rings movies a major factor in driving new writers and well as readers to fantasy?
SF and fantasy have nothing in common. I don't know why people insist on putting them together.
Yeah, what really burns me up are those hacks like Larry Niven and Orson Scott Card that combine the two together. That's when we end up with crap like The Integral Trees and the Homecoming series.
the point is that the people who copyright christian works can be viewed as being hypocritical.
Why? Jesus didn't say we couldn't make a profit off of what he said.
first off, they're making a personal profit from their attempt to spread the word of god.
No, they're providing an accurate translation as a service to interested people. You can get Bibles for FREE if you want.
i'd argue that hymns and songs in general are a major part of the religion.
Read what I said; they aren't a tenet.
most churches dedicate a good portion of their worship service to songs.
Some do, some don't. Some don't sing at all. In my church, we had about an equal split of sermon/scripture lessons and hymns. We also had two different hymnals that we used for different selections of songs. Other churches even within my sect of Christianity don't necessarily have that. The point is, things can differ a lot even within the same religion with regard to hymns.
in my view, using copyrights to "protect" religious hymns is hypocritical.
It's just a song. If someone writes a hymn, they deserve the same protection that any other song author warrants. Some hymns are in the public domain (i.e. attributed to anonymous, or traditional, etc.). It's not hypocritical. Nothing prevents a church from creating a hymnal with only public domain songs in it.
i would highly question the motives and inspiration of anyone who copyrights the works or derivitive works of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
Yeah, anyone who wants to recoup his cost of printing must be evil.
who restricts the free publication and disemination of those works.
And exactly how are they restricting the free publication of the bible? Get it through your head, anyone can print a bible.
Anyone can read the bible for FREE. Anyone can get a FREE bible. There is no restriction.
In all fairness, though, there's translations of the Bible that are copyrighted and these copyrights are enforced.
Yes, but the difference is that you are normally allowed to print up to 500 verses from these translations as long as you attribute the source. In non-profit printings, you can print as much as you want as long as you attribute the source. At least this is the way it is with the NIV and NRSB. Also, the text of the Bible is not secret. You can get it from multiple sources, with multiple translations, and some translations are in the public domain. No one will come after you if you link to it.
I don't think anyone could possibly claim ownership to such translations as the king James Version.
Most of the books you see published about Christianity are copyrighted
Uh, what's the point? Most books are copyrighted.
A book about Christianity is not a sacred text.
as are most of the hymns, though.
As are most secular songs. Some hymns are also public domain. Hymns are not a major tenet of Christianity. They even differ from church to church within Christianity.
but it's not the only religion whose texts are copyrighted.
Christianity's texts aren't copyrighted. The Bible isn't copyrighted. Other Christian works such as the "Apostle's Creed" aren't copyrighted either. Some translations of Christian works are copyrighted, and some of them aren't.
Anyone can translate the Bible and publish it.
Anybody can get a copy of the KJV and publish it.
I guarantee that neither Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, nor John will sue your ass for publishing it.
With Linksys it can't get any worse than it already is. It's always interesting how the mythical second level techs that the first level techs say will contact you, never do.
It is especially annoying when you discover that their wireless products can't use WEP, because when WEP is on, the device doesn't handle fragmented packets appropriately. You'd think that they'd make that type of defect a priority, since WEP is listed as a feature on the side of the fucking box!!!!
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Although, if you run Gentoo on a PlayStation 2, you'll be using a USB mouse. :)
Yup, there's now several distributions:
As far as porting the Linux kernel to the PS2, though, it's not quite that simple. Linux in general is not as portable as you might think, and it's a major pain on the PS2. First some background:
It's impossible to run Linux on stock PS2 hardware. Why? It's because the stock PS2 DVD-ROM drive is unable to physically read anything other than the Sony proprietary game-disc format, audio CDs, and DVDs. The drive has been specifically designed in hardware to be unable to read CD-Rs, CD-RWs, DVD-recordables, etc. in an attempt to keep people from pirating games. Note that you can get a MOD chip to get around this limitation, however, that is a moot point, because...
The way you run Linux on a PS2 is to purchase the Linux Kit from Sony. This kit comes with a bootable Sony proprietary DVD-ROM that loads a hardware adaptation layer upon which the Linux kernel can run. This disc is required to run Linux on the PS2, and all of the kernels for PS2 use the hardware interfaces provided by the runtime environmrent on this disc. The kit comes with a modified version of RedHat that contains a 2.2 kernel. TMK, Sony has never upgraded this, nor do they have any plans to, as the kit is purely for hobby-oriented development of PS2 games and for becoming familiar with the hardware.
Now, that being said, there has been an attempt to upgrade the stock 2.2 kernel to the 2.4 kernel. However, it has been a slow process. Why? It's because of various incompatibilities with GCC, the Linux kernel code, and the PS2's odd version of a MIPS processor. In other words, a lot of the kernel code needs to be ported by hand, and is rather difficult. So far the xRhino project has succedeed in upgrading the 2.2.1 kernel to a 2.2.21 kernel, but they have not gotten further than that.
It still applies. In the Bible, after Jesus forgives someone for a wrong that they have committed, he would always admonish them with, "And no more sinning."
Jewish law still applies.
This is a running joke that has been going on for a very long time. BSD's imminent death has been greatly exaggerated more than once, and this joke is poking fun at that fact.
On Slashdot, this has evolved into a troll, which you can find information about in quite a few places.
Everything2 has some general information on "BSD is dying".
Wikipedia has this to say about BSD is dying:
These sites claim that "BSD is dying" is purely a Slashdot trolling phenomenom.I'm not convinced that this is the case, however, because there are some earlier examples of this joke (not the troll necessarily, but off-color remarks).
The earliest reference I can find was in 1992, and may be one explaniation of the phenomenom: Responses to survey on the death of BSD
There was an article in an online magazine in 1999 that said some disparaging things about BSD's license that may have something to do with phenomenom.
I could not find the article, but it is mentioned here: Debian wants to use FreeBSD kernel
There is also a * is dying page.
That's the point. BSD is dying.
*ducks quickly*
You can kill DCOM with no ill effects. See here: The DCOMBobulator
BSD is dying, and the GNU Hurd will be finished Real Soon Now.
Yes, and in order to keep the code readable without blank lines, you have to rewrite everything in Python.
It was good, because your question got me off my butt to bug Linksys tech support again. :(
They haven't mailed me back yet.
LOL! That made me almost spew coffee all over my laptop, and I'm not even drinking coffee.
There is an interesting side note concering the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
The original two commonwealths were Massachusetts and Virginia.
No, unfortunately, I don't have any links. This has been part of my problems as well.
However, from my experience, I can tell you this:
- On the whole, Linksys' wired routers seem to interoperate well with other products. At least they work with my Netgear and Sony ethernet cards.
- Linksys' wireless routers operate fine with my built in Dell TrueMobile 1180 (which is a Broadcom chipset), with or without WEP.
- Linksys' wireless cards seem to operate fine with their own router products with or without WEP.
- The Linksys WPS11 Wireless Print Server does not support IPP. Using IPP will crash the product. The box claims it does support IPP.
- The Linksys WET11 Wireless Ethernet Bridge does not handle fragmented packets when WET is turned on. Sending fragmented packets will eventually crash the WET11. The side of the box claims WEP compatibility.
- The Linksys BEFCMU10 cable modem works flawlessly.
That's what I've experienced so far with my system. I'm sorry I can't give you a link.Whoops, wrong joke.
Nah, he was probably a sales engineer, which means he's out on the golf course right now.
They're copyrighting a translation that they spent the money and time to make. They also copyright the maps they make. The planet is in the public domain, why are maps copyrighted?
Why shouldn't translators be paid for their hard work? I've paid the makers of the NASB, NIV, and NRSB, because I like the translation that they have created. This is not to say that my religion requires me to purchase a bible. It doesn't. I don't even have to own a bible to be a Christian.
anyone cannot print a bible, they can print a version of the bible that is in the public domain due to it being 100+ years old. there is a restriction.
That's just not true. Anyone can print a bible. You can print a public domain version, or you can translate the bible yourself from the Septuagint or other early translation and print it. These two choices don't require you to pay anyone.
If you want to print a specific translation, yes, you have to purchase a translation from one of the groups that create translations (a translation that those groups spent time and money putting together). As for it being a restriction, it isn't. Did you know that different publishing companies print the same translation? For instance, there are several different companies that print the NIV translation of the bible. Even with a copyright on the translation, the word of God doesn't seem to have an issue getting out to people (as can be shown by the sheer number of NIV printings by different companies that there are).
Considering how many different Christian religions that there are, I find it hard to believe that this type of "restriction" amounts to anything.
it's not just a song, to christians it's a praise to the lord. the song writers are restricting use of that praise by using existing copyright laws. they're profiting and protecting their works and limiting the praise of the lord.
Now come on, that's just ridiculous. I fail to see how song copyrights limit praising the Lord. There are several Christian bands that offer praise to the Lord, too. Should they not be able to receive payment for their work?
Except for the one made by Applied Engineering.
You could just plug it into the language card slot (slot 0), and go! No icky chip transfer necessary.
Man, those guys were the BEST!
Not true. A DOS 3.3 master disk took less than 3 seconds to boot. A ProDOS disk took slightly longer.
The reason that many newbies thought it took so long was because the default "Hello" program on the DOS 3.3 disk would check which version of basic was in ROM, and load the alternative one. This took up to 30 seconds, but occurred after the OS was loaded. Most people disabled this by creating their own "Hello" program or removing it entirely.
And yes, I could always tell exactly what DOS was doing just from the sound of the drive.
There really isn't a reason for one, since the Apple // was functionally identical in software to the Apple I.
Hmmm, I wonder if my II+ still works.
Yeah, what really burns me up are those hacks like Larry Niven and Orson Scott Card that combine the two together.
That's when we end up with crap like The Integral Trees and the Homecoming series.
Why? Jesus didn't say we couldn't make a profit off of what he said.
first off, they're making a personal profit from their attempt to spread the word of god.
No, they're providing an accurate translation as a service to interested people. You can get Bibles for FREE if you want.
i'd argue that hymns and songs in general are a major part of the religion.
Read what I said; they aren't a tenet.
most churches dedicate a good portion of their worship service to songs.
Some do, some don't. Some don't sing at all. In my church, we had about an equal split of sermon/scripture lessons and hymns. We also had two different hymnals that we used for different selections of songs. Other churches even within my sect of Christianity don't necessarily have that. The point is, things can differ a lot even within the same religion with regard to hymns.
in my view, using copyrights to "protect" religious hymns is hypocritical.
It's just a song. If someone writes a hymn, they deserve the same protection that any other song author warrants. Some hymns are in the public domain (i.e. attributed to anonymous, or traditional, etc.). It's not hypocritical. Nothing prevents a church from creating a hymnal with only public domain songs in it.
i would highly question the motives and inspiration of anyone who copyrights the works or derivitive works of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
Yeah, anyone who wants to recoup his cost of printing must be evil.
who restricts the free publication and disemination of those works.
And exactly how are they restricting the free publication of the bible? Get it through your head, anyone can print a bible. Anyone can read the bible for FREE. Anyone can get a FREE bible. There is no restriction.
Yes, but the difference is that you are normally allowed to print up to 500 verses from these translations as long as you attribute the source. In non-profit printings, you can print as much as you want as long as you attribute the source. At least this is the way it is with the NIV and NRSB. Also, the text of the Bible is not secret. You can get it from multiple sources, with multiple translations, and some translations are in the public domain. No one will come after you if you link to it.
I don't think anyone could possibly claim ownership to such translations as the king James Version.
Nope, it's public domain: The KJV Bible
Most of the books you see published about Christianity are copyrighted
Uh, what's the point? Most books are copyrighted. A book about Christianity is not a sacred text.
as are most of the hymns, though.
As are most secular songs. Some hymns are also public domain. Hymns are not a major tenet of Christianity. They even differ from church to church within Christianity.
but it's not the only religion whose texts are copyrighted.
Christianity's texts aren't copyrighted. The Bible isn't copyrighted. Other Christian works such as the "Apostle's Creed" aren't copyrighted either. Some translations of Christian works are copyrighted, and some of them aren't.
Anyone can translate the Bible and publish it.
Anybody can get a copy of the KJV and publish it.
I guarantee that neither Moses, Matthew, Mark, Luke, nor John will sue your ass for publishing it.
With Linksys it can't get any worse than it already is.
It's always interesting how the mythical second level techs that the first level techs say will contact you, never do.
It is especially annoying when you discover that their wireless products can't use WEP, because when WEP is on, the device doesn't handle fragmented packets appropriately.
You'd think that they'd make that type of defect a priority, since WEP is listed as a feature on the side of the fucking box!!!!
Unfortunately, the rules say you have to stay inside the bounds of each segment between the waypoints. :(
Those guys are such jerks.
Just remember to use GaAs chips in yours...