In that case, the ISP needs a more intelligent firewall (i.e. one that can tell that incoming packets match an outgoing request). This is similar to the difference between a Netgear FVS318 and a Netgear RT314 - one's a firewall router and the other is just a plain old router.
Are the Allman Bros. on an RIAA label? Don't they have an album cover that features a naked 14 year old? Isn't this kind of hypocritical of the music publishing industry?
Yup, always has been. If you still enjoy him, read "In the Barn" from Anthonology. It was written for Harlan Ellison's Dangerous Visions in 1966, and for some reason didn't quite make it in...
So, because I (and others, also) didn't notice that someone meant for something to be taken jokingly, that makes me a perfectionist? That makes no sense, but hey, what the heck.
No, that's not it exactly.
He said, "12 year old liar!"
You said, "Well, actually, he can't really be 12 years old because..."
So, your correction of his statement wasn't any different than my correction of your statement. If I can be called a perfectionist, then you can too.
Frankly, I had simply given up on trying to convince you. All logical remarks seem to be lost on you
They weren't lost on me. Your statements offered a logical possibility, but they simply did not eliminate the other possibilites.
First off, you aren't convinced I'm correct, and I'm not convinced that I was incorrect, so I don't see how anyone can be considered to win.
Right, so we were at an impasse. We couldn't get any further without bringing in a third party, which neither of us was willing to do.
That's when I conceded. By default, you win.
...which is why I had marked you as a foe. It just tells me who not to waste to much time on in the future...
LOL! That is probably for the best. I am a skeptic, so you'd be wasting your time a lot.
You are perfectly welcome to reply to other comments of mine. Since you are marked as a foe now, I'll remember to cut off future discussions much more quickly than this, when what I say doesn't seem to be affecting your opinion at all.
Okay. If you were really pissed off, I would add you to my list and you'd be filtered out.
That makes no sense. What, in my original post, makes you think I'm a perfectionist?
It was mostly because you corrected the guy about an insult he posted that wasn't meant to be taken literally.
6 months in DEFINATELY enough time.
Your combination of capitalization and poor spelling in lieu of a counterargument to my plausible skepticism is definitely not going to convince me that 6 months is long enough.;)
However, because I'm starting to find this topic rather stale, and you obviously find me to be a pompous ass, I will concede. Congratulations, you win.
I'm not going to bother taco with something so trivial, just because you want me to.
Don't get me wrong here, I didn't mean to suggest that you must do it. It was only a suggestion in case you were curious, an offhand remark, a conversational embellishment, and meant to end the discussion. That's all really.
BTW, do you want me to ignore you in new topics, or are you still game?
Same with a voice recorder. I have a real recorder, and I guarantee you the sound quality is considerable better.
I have one of those Archos Jukeboxes that can record stuff. I got it mostly for the HD size and the fact that I didn't need any special software to put songs on it. However, I have actually used the recording capabilities quite frequently. Since it records straight to MP3 through a stereo line in, it doesn't sound awful. I've used it to record songs off of DVDs.
They are much chunkier, less crisp, always made of chipped potatoes rather than potato puree and covered in salt and sauce (which is a thin mixture of brown sauce and vinegar).
Yeesh, that made me really hungry. You don't see it too much in other parts of the US, but up here in New England, you generally see jars of vinegar sauce on the tables specifically for fries (at least at non-chain restaurants anyway).
LOL, I didn't see the 'l' either. It summoned up images of Motorola and Gainax forming a partnership, let me tell you. On the whole, I don't think that would be a bad thing.
slashdot has more than 700,000 users now I believe, so those spots did fill up quite quick
I would think that the growth rate of the UID values would be slow initially and then go up exponentially as more people heard about Slashdot, so I'm still not really convinced.
I just find it hard to believe that a completely unknown website would have over 11,000 users in the month that it started - especially one dedicated to news for nerds. I'm also pretty sure that Slashdot didn't have over 11,000 users in August of 1997, since it started in September.
A JRE will use a stupid amount of CPU horsepower just to run, so your actual embedded system will run like a bag of shit.
It's unbelievable that someone who knows something of embedded systems would post this kind of vitriol without posting benchmarks or, at the very least, performing a google search first. It's also disturbing that the myth about Java's slowness is still stuck in people's heads. Java's bytecode certainly does not execute as fast as native code, but making a blanket statement about the poor performance of every JRE and Java program is absurd.
See this 2 year old article: Embedded Java
Well, sort of. Java does share some of its syntax with C, so it will look familiar to a C programmer, but this is an oversimplification. Java has no preprocessor, global variables, pointers, goto statement, struct type, union type, enumerated types, bitfields, typedef, function pointers, or variable-length argument lists. Java has well-defined primitive type sizes, where in C it is dependent on the platform. Java has objects and method overloading, where C does not. Java has garbage collection, where in C you have to roll your own. In Java you can declare variables anywhere, but in C you cannot. Finally, Java has no need of forward references. Your toolchain is also completely different - not just your compiler, everything. In addition, the programming methodologies you use with Java are entirely different from those you use in C. If you want to move from C to Java and still program effectively, you have to learn a completely different way of thinking.
Remember that you are going to be controlling things, not drawing widgets on a screen, so an OO language is not really necessary (or even desirable).
I'm curious, why do you say that OO isn't desirable? I can see that it may not be desirable on a system that has existing APIs written in C, but for new systems, why is this a poor choice? From personal experience, I have encountered a system whose flagrant abuse of structs and function pointers was enough to make a sane man weep. OOP would have really helped to make this more understandable and compact. I've also heard some arguments that object-orientated (Java, C++) and procedural languages (C) are both poor choices for embedded systems, and the best paradigm to use is a logic or declarative programming language.
Instead, you will be reading and writing IO ports, which will involve a certain amount of bare metal programming. Java won't really let you do this.
Again, sort of. Usually, any system that supports Java is going to provide Java layer drivers for its hardware, just like any system that supports C is going to have C APIs. There are some good processors specifically designed to run Java programs in an embedded environment that provide Java access to the HW layer. In addition, any J2ME system has standardized ways of accessing the hardware that most J2ME users will use. Please see the following:
Good luck on the JRE thing, something like that is way too slow and bloated to run on a hobbiest CPU.
That's not true. Check out The TINI.
You can also program it in 8051 assembly, AND with the 1-wire interface you can hook a buttload of different sensors and things to it.
The person you are calling a 12-year-old, has a UID of 11846, which is significantly lower than yours, and also lower than mine. If he's supposed to be 12-years old now, he much have signed-up for his/. account when he was about 6-years old...
From the Slashdot FAQ:
Slashdot was originally created in September of 1997...
I'm pretty sure that Slashdot didn't initially start with 11,846 users, but I could be wrong...
Slashdot Mirror
No they didn't. See Franck Report (June, 1945).
In that case, the ISP needs a more intelligent firewall (i.e. one that can tell that incoming packets match an outgoing request).
This is similar to the difference between a Netgear FVS318 and a Netgear RT314 - one's a firewall router and the other is just a plain old router.
Don't just vote with your dollar, write a letter to their CEO and tell him or her why they lost your business. It's worked for me in the past.
160 is for SGMP-TRAPS
443 is HTTP over TLS/SSL.
But what are some of the others?
IANA Port Assignments
NO!!!! That is revolting!
I roast it up for dinner. Shouldn't go wastin' good meat by pokin' at it...
Are the Allman Bros. on an RIAA label? Don't they have an album cover that features a naked 14 year old? Isn't this kind of hypocritical of the music publishing industry?
Yup, always has been. If you still enjoy him, read "In the Barn" from Anthonology. It was written for Harlan Ellison's Dangerous Visions in 1966, and for some reason didn't quite make it in...
Does that mean you want him to have a better looking kid?
No, that's not it exactly.
He said, "12 year old liar!"
You said, "Well, actually, he can't really be 12 years old because..."
So, your correction of his statement wasn't any different than my correction of your statement. If I can be called a perfectionist, then you can too.
Frankly, I had simply given up on trying to convince you. All logical remarks seem to be lost on you
They weren't lost on me. Your statements offered a logical possibility, but they simply did not eliminate the other possibilites.
First off, you aren't convinced I'm correct, and I'm not convinced that I was incorrect, so I don't see how anyone can be considered to win.
Right, so we were at an impasse. We couldn't get any further without bringing in a third party, which neither of us was willing to do. That's when I conceded. By default, you win.
LOL! That is probably for the best. I am a skeptic, so you'd be wasting your time a lot.
You are perfectly welcome to reply to other comments of mine. Since you are marked as a foe now, I'll remember to cut off future discussions much more quickly than this, when what I say doesn't seem to be affecting your opinion at all.
Okay. If you were really pissed off, I would add you to my list and you'd be filtered out.
It was mostly because you corrected the guy about an insult he posted that wasn't meant to be taken literally.
6 months in DEFINATELY enough time.
Your combination of capitalization and poor spelling in lieu of a counterargument to my plausible skepticism is definitely not going to convince me that 6 months is long enough. ;)
However, because I'm starting to find this topic rather stale, and you obviously find me to be a pompous ass, I will concede. Congratulations, you win.
I'm not going to bother taco with something so trivial, just because you want me to.
Don't get me wrong here, I didn't mean to suggest that you must do it. It was only a suggestion in case you were curious, an offhand remark, a conversational embellishment, and meant to end the discussion. That's all really.
BTW, do you want me to ignore you in new topics, or are you still game?
Actually it's fair use. It's also how you discover if a company is doing dangerous things with their hardware...
I have one of those Archos Jukeboxes that can record stuff. I got it mostly for the HD size and the fact that I didn't need any special software to put songs on it. However, I have actually used the recording capabilities quite frequently. Since it records straight to MP3 through a stereo line in, it doesn't sound awful. I've used it to record songs off of DVDs.
Maybe because the US simulates detonations in software instead of doing it for real?
Furthermore, in case anyone thinks this is a cheap way to make a buck I will be donating all proceeds to the EFF.
And yet from your original post, you are one. Apparently you can dish it out, but not take it. :)
Even if he did sign up within the first 6 months or so, that's close enough.
Six months is probably not enough time either. I don't know, ask taco.
Yeesh, that made me really hungry. You don't see it too much in other parts of the US, but up here in New England, you generally see jars of vinegar sauce on the tables specifically for fries (at least at non-chain restaurants anyway).
If you hold the phone upside down and shake it, it erases the phone's memory.
LOL, I didn't see the 'l' either.
It summoned up images of Motorola and Gainax forming a partnership, let me tell you.
On the whole, I don't think that would be a bad thing.
Uh, quite possibly the telecom market?
I would think that the growth rate of the UID values would be slow initially and then go up exponentially as more people heard about Slashdot, so I'm still not really convinced.
I just find it hard to believe that a completely unknown website would have over 11,000 users in the month that it started - especially one dedicated to news for nerds. I'm also pretty sure that Slashdot didn't have over 11,000 users in August of 1997, since it started in September.
Ask taco or somebody.
It's unbelievable that someone who knows something of embedded systems would post this kind of vitriol without posting benchmarks or, at the very least, performing a google search first. It's also disturbing that the myth about Java's slowness is still stuck in people's heads. Java's bytecode certainly does not execute as fast as native code, but making a blanket statement about the poor performance of every JRE and Java program is absurd. See this 2 year old article: Embedded Java
Embedded Java is a very big thing; please see:
Javas Consumer and Embedded Technologies
Key Embedded Java Standards
EMBEDDED SYSTEMS GO REAL TIME WITH JAVA TECHNOLOGY
Using Java Technology to Standardize Real-Time Development
Learn C. It's pretty similar to Java...
Well, sort of. Java does share some of its syntax with C, so it will look familiar to a C programmer, but this is an oversimplification. Java has no preprocessor, global variables, pointers, goto statement, struct type, union type, enumerated types, bitfields, typedef, function pointers, or variable-length argument lists. Java has well-defined primitive type sizes, where in C it is dependent on the platform. Java has objects and method overloading, where C does not. Java has garbage collection, where in C you have to roll your own. In Java you can declare variables anywhere, but in C you cannot. Finally, Java has no need of forward references. Your toolchain is also completely different - not just your compiler, everything. In addition, the programming methodologies you use with Java are entirely different from those you use in C. If you want to move from C to Java and still program effectively, you have to learn a completely different way of thinking.
Remember that you are going to be controlling things, not drawing widgets on a screen, so an OO language is not really necessary (or even desirable).
I'm curious, why do you say that OO isn't desirable? I can see that it may not be desirable on a system that has existing APIs written in C, but for new systems, why is this a poor choice? From personal experience, I have encountered a system whose flagrant abuse of structs and function pointers was enough to make a sane man weep. OOP would have really helped to make this more understandable and compact. I've also heard some arguments that object-orientated (Java, C++) and procedural languages (C) are both poor choices for embedded systems, and the best paradigm to use is a logic or declarative programming language.
Instead, you will be reading and writing IO ports, which will involve a certain amount of bare metal programming. Java won't really let you do this.
Again, sort of. Usually, any system that supports Java is going to provide Java layer drivers for its hardware, just like any system that supports C is going to have C APIs. There are some good processors specifically designed to run Java programs in an embedded environment that provide Java access to the HW layer. In addition, any J2ME system has standardized ways of accessing the hardware that most J2ME users will use. Please see the following:
Dallas Semiconductor TINI
Imsys SNAP
J2ME
If there is still some piece of hardware that you don't have a Java API for, you c
No, but the links to Dallas Semiconductor and PTSC probably were.
That's not true. Check out The TINI.
You can also program it in 8051 assembly, AND with the 1-wire interface you can hook a buttload of different sensors and things to it.
The modem/dsp is SMTed to the board. It's gonna take a while.
From the Slashdot FAQ: Slashdot was originally created in September of 1997...
I'm pretty sure that Slashdot didn't initially start with 11,846 users, but I could be wrong...